2011.12.15 19:00 - Not Knowing

The Guardian for this meeting was Paradise Tennant. The comments are by Paradise Tennant.

Paradise Tennant: hiya Sam how ar you ;)
oO0Oo Resident: :) Paradise.. nice to see you
oO0Oo Resident: well thanks, and you?
Paradise Tennant: very well thanks
oO0Oo Resident: :)
Paradise Tennant: was just listening to Montian Gilruth playing
Paradise Tennant: he is very talented :) enjoyed it
oO0Oo Resident: "ears come to a point"
oO0Oo Resident: must google that name
oO0Oo Resident: Stevenaia :)
stevenaia Michinaga: good idea you sent me yesterday Samúð, but cache clearing did nothing
oO0Oo Resident: I see a number of YouTube links Para. Do you have any favorites?
Paradise Tennant: hmm
Paradise Tennant: they are all good likely
oO0Oo Resident: oh.. sorry to hear Stevenaia.. hmm
stevenaia Michinaga: thank goodness for my coat
stevenaia Michinaga: (and bag)
Paradise Tennant: cannon ball is good
Paradise Tennant: smiles at stev :)
oO0Oo Resident: there is this page on all forms of bake fail to do with Phoenix and Firestorm.. which also would include other viewers too.. many ideas of what one can do... http://is.gd/lBcuew
Paradise Tennant: smikles at druth lovely to see you :)
oO0Oo Resident: Cannonball: http://is.gd/ZoyLB7
oO0Oo Resident: Druth :)
druth Vlodovic: smerkles back
Paradise Tennant: just came from a montian gilruth concert so we are listening to clips :)
druth Vlodovic: hi all :)
stevenaia Michinaga: was that when you were in Montreal?
Paradise Tennant: well no was speaking to listening to him in sl tonight but have hearrd him live a few times in Montreal :) there is usually a jam weekend in July blue and I atend . on some of the tapes you can hear Blue bark in the background :)
oO0Oo Resident: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I see Cannonball was from this summer's event in Montral
--BELL--
Paradise Tennant: smiles what should we talk of tonight .. )
oO0Oo Resident: Not knowing?
oO0Oo Resident: :)
oO0Oo Resident: Enjoyed that song
Paradise Tennant: smiles
oO0Oo Resident: those gentlemen look seasoned in the vagaries of life
Paradise Tennant: like not knowing .. what a great topic ..
Paradise Tennant: nice xmas lights :)
Paradise Tennant: not knowing is our natural state isn't it
oO0Oo Resident: ::shrugs:: lol
Paradise Tennant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&fe...&v=FiFP0FB45vo
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles, a bit
Paradise Tennant: looks like sam crashed
druth Vlodovic: wb sam
oO0Oo Resident: :) thanks
Paradise Tennant: wondering how much really know ..
Paradise Tennant: *we
Paradise Tennant: always seems every thing we accept as fact is debatable
stevenaia Michinaga: thinking not know is something you know when you ask yourself about not knowing
oO0Oo Resident: what reveals itself in not knowing?
stevenaia Michinaga: I think it's like telling someone you are humble, as soon as you tell, you are not
druth Vlodovic: hi tess
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Tess
Tess Aristocrat: hello
Paradise Tennant: hiya tess we areexploring not knowingness
Tess Aristocrat: ㋡
oO0Oo Resident: maybe more.. what is the experience of not knowing? or.. seeing with Rumi eyes or something ;)
Paradise Tennant: in an not knowing manner :)))
druth Vlodovic: "open" or "questioning" I'd suppose
oO0Oo Resident: How is 'not knowing' different or similar to uncertainty?
druth Vlodovic: un-certainty implies that certainty is desireable, hence the anxiety associated with it
Paradise Tennant: uncertainty is premised with an illusion that there can be certainty
Tess Aristocrat: It isn't..I don't think..
Paradise Tennant: snaps
Tess Aristocrat: ㋡
oO0Oo Resident: can there be comfort in not knowing? in uncertainty?
Paradise Tennant: well the surrender to what is
stevenaia Michinaga: every single day....
Tess Aristocrat: certainly
--BELL--
Paradise Tennant: smiles unknowing is what is
stevenaia Michinaga: you can never know everything, what's left is not knowing, so it should bring comfort
druth Vlodovic: knowing would seem to carry a bit of responsibility with it
stevenaia Michinaga: says the voice behind the bag
oO0Oo Resident: :)
Tess Aristocrat: and think how boring it would be if you did 'know everything'. There'd be nothing left to learn.
stevenaia Michinaga: like knowing the future
oO0Oo Resident: lots of responsibility?
stevenaia Michinaga: imagine
Tess Aristocrat: or even the end of a book. ㋡
oO0Oo Resident: Omniscient?
Tess Aristocrat: Not knowing leaves a vast amount of space to learn, explore, and have adventures.
oO0Oo Resident: maybe partial knowing carries more responsibility than omniscience/
stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like a life worth living
Tess Aristocrat: yes : )
oO0Oo Resident: :)
oO0Oo Resident: sounds like Summer vacation as a child :)
stevenaia Michinaga: makes fortune cookies something valuable
Tess Aristocrat: hehe
stevenaia Michinaga: Fortune says......It's moment of decision that destiny is shaped
stevenaia Michinaga: that your destiny is shaped
Paradise Tennant: smiles at Tess seeing her set sail on a wide horizon of exploration
oO0Oo Resident: http://is.gd/QOdk2a
Tess Aristocrat: nods..sees it as a child every day
oO0Oo Resident: :)))
druth Vlodovic: funny, we don't seem to be less scared as we know more
Paradise Tennant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX4VF...eature=related
Paradise Tennant: yes druth
Paradise Tennant: so true
oO0Oo Resident: not less... more?
Paradise Tennant: lol yes more too ..we  become more aware of the dangers the scary bits
Tess Aristocrat: something I always try to keep in the forefront of my thoughts is to be in the moment and not be complacent
Tess Aristocrat: Be aware of my surroundings..the colors of the trees, etc
Paradise Tennant: the smells :))
oO0Oo Resident: are the dangers.. the scary bits known? Beyond the moment?
Tess Aristocrat: yes ;)
Tess Aristocrat: If death is considered a scary bit, then yes, it is known, it is inevitable.
oO0Oo Resident: "the big unknown"
Tess Aristocrat: My thoughts on death are this..
Tess Aristocrat: People having been doing it for thousands of years..
--BELL--
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Tess Aristocrat: it's part of life
Tess Aristocrat: My thoughts are that it may be just like birth in some respects..leaving a place we've become accustomed to..
Tess Aristocrat: being forced to..
Tess Aristocrat: eventually going with the flow and not fighting it anymore.
Tess Aristocrat: and in my belief, coming into a new plane of existence.
Paradise Tennant: agree do not think death is a bad thing just hard on the folks left behind
Tess Aristocrat: nods..
Tess Aristocrat: the ones that are left 'unknowing'
Paradise Tennant: nods
Tess Aristocrat: or even if they believe, still they are attached.
oO0Oo Resident: interesting that some people have the request, that when they pass away, that the people close to them might be asked to celebrate, to revel in a sense.. to laugh and rejoice.
Tess Aristocrat: yes ㋡
oO0Oo Resident: along with some spiritual notions of having a state of equanimity toward a dying person, that their consciousness be least disturbed... among other views
Tess Aristocrat: It can be a healthy part of the grief process
oO0Oo Resident: together in the unknowing
Tess Aristocrat: I've never been to a funeral or afterward where the people were not smiling and talking at some point.
oO0Oo Resident: more alive
Paradise Tennant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrKs3...eature=related
oO0Oo Resident: :)
Tess Aristocrat: When my father died, many of us got up and told funny stories about him
Paradise Tennant: smiles here too
Paradise Tennant: we played .. his favourite songs and told his favourite jokes
oO0Oo Resident: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: was to a funeral of friend last week, with much sadness there was joy in what he left all of us
Tess Aristocrat: People, I think, need that balance of some laughter with all the sadness
stevenaia Michinaga: the best live on in all of us
Tess Aristocrat: yes
Paradise Tennant: smiles yes .. knowing or unknowing we all carry part of the very best that is :)
Tess Aristocrat: Of course we went home and later still grieved and missed him..you know..
Paradise Tennant: yes the missing part is hard
Paradise Tennant: but sometimes they die with such deliberate intent and grace .they make it easier for you
Tess Aristocrat: But there is that element..of wanting to tell the story of the happy times
Paradise Tennant: you know they were ready able and willing to face the next challenge
oO0Oo Resident: amazes me how some people die while continually helping others
--BELL--
Paradise Tennant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sukFw...eature=related
Tess Aristocrat: Well, I shall bid you a goodnight and sweet dreams to all. ㋡
stevenaia Michinaga: night tess
Paradise Tennant: nite nite tess
oO0Oo Resident: Tess :)
druth Vlodovic: 'night
druth Vlodovic: I'm off too
stevenaia Michinaga: nn druth
druth Vlodovic: have fun
Paradise Tennant: nite nite druth
Paradise Tennant: thank you
stevenaia Michinaga: Hope to find my clothes soon
oO0Oo Resident: Night Druth :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Paradise Tennant: at stev
oO0Oo Resident: :)
Paradise Tennant: the coat and the bag are kind of a look
stevenaia Michinaga: giggles
oO0Oo Resident: http://is.gd/Sfrz5A
Paradise Tennant: good one !
Paradise Tennant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnnrP...eature=related
oO0Oo Resident: :)
Paradise Tennant: want to do a brief mediation to wind down ? say 5 mins and then call it a nite :)
oO0Oo Resident: Ok sure
Paradise Tennant: would you like to gong :)
oO0Oo Resident: Sure
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Eliza :)
Paradise Tennant: hiya eliza nice to see you
Eliza Madrigal: apologies for landing on you Sam... how beautiful the pavilion is!
oO0Oo Resident: Topic was Not knowing.. just gearing up for a 5 minute meditation :)
Eliza Madrigal: rezzing... just seeing bobbles and sparkles
oO0Oo Resident: no worries
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Eliza Madrigal: *wonderful*
Paradise Tennant: sam is going to gong :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
oO0Oo Resident: I'll gong before and after then.. when you are settled :)
Eliza Madrigal: settled.
oO0Oo Resident: ( ( ( ( g o n g ) ) ) )
oO0Oo Resident: ( ( ( ( g o n g ) ) ) )
oO0Oo Resident: ty
Paradise Tennant: smiles thank you .. enjoyed that :) nice to sit in silence together :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) thanks so much
--BELL--
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Paradise Tennant: well think I will say good nite :) and thank you :))
oO0Oo Resident: Good night Para. Best to you and Blue :)
oO0Oo Resident: Rest well
Paradise Tennant: nitenite sam eliza ... sweet dreams :))
Paradise Tennant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnpK4...eature=related
Eliza Madrigal: Night Paradise :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles at video
oO0Oo Resident: such a gentle lullaby like version of a powerful rejoicing song!
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: ty :)
oO0Oo Resident: :)