2013.12.02 13:00 - Quirky Fishbowl Evolution

The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.

Eliza Madrigal: Hello Zon :)

--BELL--

Zon Kwan: Hi Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zon Kwan: How are you ?
Eliza Madrigal: rather well, thanks :) and yourself?
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aggers :)
Agatha Macbeth: G'day
Eliza Madrigal: first time to see new hair - high fashion :))
Zon Kwan: Im fine thanks, Hi Agatha
Agatha Macbeth: Lady in red
Zon Kwan: nice hair indeed
Agatha Macbeth: Mine or Liz's?
Zon Kwan: both
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Agatha Macbeth: Thanks
Eliza Madrigal: :) thanks... both looong today
Agatha Macbeth: Loooong
Agatha Macbeth: Ommmmmm

Eliza Madrigal: Is there anything contemplatable today?

Zon Kwan: Mine is short
Agatha Macbeth: NO comment
Zon Kwan: but comfortable
Eliza Madrigal: :) carefree
Zon Kwan: no need to brush
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce :)
Zon Kwan: gi Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: Did you say is there anything contemptible?
Zon Kwan: i mean hi Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: Yo brucie
Zen Arado: Hi all
Zon Kwan: hi Zen :)
Bruce Mowbray: Yo, everyone!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Agatha Macbeth: Zenny!
Zon Kwan: Yo Yo
Agatha Macbeth: Rock da house
Eliza Madrigal: Aggers... I asked for something "CONTEMPLATE-able" :))
Wol Euler: evening all
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol :)
Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, Wol!
Zon Kwan: Yo Wok
Eliza Madrigal: Welcome back from travels
Wol Euler: thank you
Zen Arado: Hi Wol
Zon Kwan: I mean yo Wol
Agatha Macbeth: Wollie ♥
Eliza Madrigal: thought you might be cooking for us, Zon ^^
Agatha Macbeth: What's cooking?

Zen Arado: Blub should be outside looking in at us in our goldfish bowl
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Eliza Madrigal: year after year...
Agatha Macbeth: Alone on the hill...
Wol Euler: same old fears.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zon Kwan: no just woking
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, got a medley there

(Bruce produces a steak)

Eliza Madrigal: hah, Bruce vegetarians can eat SL steak lol
Agatha Macbeth: Yum
Bruce Mowbray: Only my typist is a vegan - not ME.

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Visitor:)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Visitor
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Visitor!
Wol Euler: hello Visitor
Zen Arado: Hi Visitor
Zon Kwan: hi Visitor
Agatha Macbeth: We're over here :p
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, I see
Eliza Madrigal: behind the curtain
Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, Visitor!

Eliza Madrigal: So I propose that for today we take the now usual 5 minute pauses... sound good?
Bruce Mowbray: Sounds good to me, Eliza.
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Works for moi
Eliza Madrigal: Visitor it is nice to see you... I believe we've met before and you know about the recording?
Eliza Madrigal: we've kept a record of logs for nearly 6 years at playasbeing.org

Agatha Macbeth: And still going
Eliza Madrigal: year after year...
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Wol Euler: isn'T this where I came in?
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Groundhog day
Wol Euler smiles.
Zen Arado: main movie starts soon
Eliza Madrigal snickers
Agatha Macbeth: Or Lizhog

Zen Arado: remembers B Movie days
Eliza Madrigal plunders for popcorn
Zen Arado: Pathe news
Bruce Mowbray: Oh wow!
Zen Arado: man playing electric organ at interval
Zen Arado: and us singing along
Zen Arado: weird
Zon Kwan: thx Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: mmmmm
Agatha Macbeth: TY (chomp)
Bruce Mowbray: THANKS!
Agatha Macbeth: I seem to be throwing mine of my shoulder for some reason
Bruce Mowbray: Poor Visitor. Doesn't she get some popcorn?
Eliza Madrigal: yes...hopefully was received
Eliza Madrigal is not sure how to answer the popcorn's questions though
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Bruce Mowbray: oh dear, you mean it's not an endless bucket?
Agatha Macbeth: Levitation
Eliza Madrigal: not a pop pins bucket
Zon Kwan: it vanished ?
Agatha Macbeth: No spoonful of sugar
Bruce Mowbray: My stomach expands to hold limitless quantities of popcorn, actually.

Eliza Madrigal: approaching the 5 minute pause :) so lovely for you all to be here
Bruce Mowbray: 5-minute drop up-coming....
Bruce Mowbray: (snap).
Wol Euler nods and prepares.
Eliza Madrigal settles and takes a deep breath
Agatha Macbeth: Parkinson's stomach

--BELL--

Zon Kwan: (slips quietly)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: (slip well)
Eliza Madrigal: {ding}
Agatha Macbeth: Bong
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Phil.
PhilNS Schumann: Ciao Bruce, ciao all
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Phil
Zen Arado: Hi Phil

Eliza Madrigal: so the general topic for the last few weeks has been "SL and RL" ... wondering if anyone has thoughts on this, or something that comes to mind? I've spent much of the day listening to zizek youtubes while doing finances so mind is a little loopy, hah

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Phil, good to see you again
PhilNS Schumann: my pleasure
Wol Euler: _/|\_
Agatha Macbeth: Who-zek what?
Wol Euler: hello phil
Eliza Madrigal: a Czech philosopher... kind of a rock star in that world
Zen Arado: I like silence when working
Agatha Macbeth: Aha
Wol Euler: depends on the work :)
Eliza Madrigal: I like silence for creative work, or classical, gentle music
Agatha Macbeth: Odd thing for a DJ to say :p
Eliza Madrigal: yes Wol!
Zen Arado: anything I want to concentrate on
Eliza Madrigal: but today was "busy work"
Zen Arado: even painting I stopped listening to music
Agatha Macbeth: Busy bee
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eliza Madrigal: was did you listen to when painting before?
Zen Arado: best to give yourself completely to whatever you are doing I think
Zen Arado: I listened to Classic FM a lot
Agatha Macbeth pictures Zen painting abstracts to thrash metal
Bruce Mowbray: I'm with Zen. I even have sound-proofing ear muffs. . . to make it really really quiet. (They were made for rifle range protection of ears.)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh wow
Eliza Madrigal: :) I think my life would be quite difficult if I only worked in silence
Eliza Madrigal: would have to carpet the world ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: You'd need to find some first
Zen Arado: not silence but avoidance of distractions more like

Bruce Mowbray: In the early morning in the summertime, the birds wake my typist too early.. and at night the insects (also in summer) keep him awake, so I got him those earmuffs.
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Nice
Bruce Mowbray 's typist nods his gratitude.
PhilNS Schumann: if you work noisly, Eliza, you must be sure to have kind of soul & sound mate around you then . or nobody
Eliza Madrigal: guess we each have our comfort habits
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Breezer.
Zen Arado: I had men drilling into apartment walls for weeks but didn't bother me too much
Bruce Mowbray: Good to see you again.
Agatha Macbeth: Bummer if you want to hear the alarm clock tho
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Breezer
Zen Arado: but music would make me stop and listen
Eliza Madrigal: :) well *I* am not noisy... but Zizek sure is...hehe
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Breezer :)
Bruce Mowbray: no alarming clocks for my typist.
Zen Arado: Hi Breezer
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, lucky you

Eliza Madrigal: I'm not sure how the layers of my mind work but I find that I tune in and out at appropriate times
Bruce Mowbray: I can't see the Breezer for the trees, actually.
Zen Arado: maybe women's multitasking minds
Eliza Madrigal: and the distractions tend to give input into general backburner thoughts
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Breezer
Bruce Mowbray: bfn, Breezer.
Eliza Madrigal: Breezer breezes by...
Agatha Macbeth: Makes a change from the wood

Bruce Mowbray: Has anyone NOT accidentally logged into her last location? ha ha!
Bruce Mowbray: can be a bit embarrassing sometimes.
Wol Euler: that's why I always go home before logging out! :)
Zen Arado: me too
Agatha Macbeth: Mm
Eliza Madrigal: :) I mostly do that... but don't put myself to bed anymore
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Bruce Mowbray: I usually do that also, Wol.
Bruce Mowbray: (not the putting self to bed part, though.)
Bruce Mowbray: HA! NO BED!
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Bruce Mowbray: I suppose I could sleep on the sofa, though....
Bruce Mowbray: sitting up.
PhilNS Schumann: well . that's usually a good excuse to get into somebody's else bed
Agatha Macbeth: Sofa, so good
Bruce Mowbray: aw!
Eliza Madrigal: haha Phil... I see your golden locks showing

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: (5 minute pause)

Eliza Madrigal: {ding} come baaaack....
Eliza Madrigal: :)

PhilNS Schumann smile at Eliza "my golden locks , lol ... I'm pretty sure it's a residual of my memory in your memory. It will fade . eventually :-) "
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: ^^
Eliza Madrigal: how are you doing since your return, Wol? Back to work already?
Wol Euler: I have to admit, I fell asleep that time
Wol Euler: yes, full day in the office today
Wol Euler: already working on the next competition
Eliza Madrigal: draining?
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Wol Euler: jetlag still
Agatha Macbeth hands Wollie coffee
Wol Euler: thanks :)
Eliza Madrigal: ah, of course (((((( ))))))))
Agatha Macbeth: YW

PhilNS Schumann: oh.. what kind of competition are you in Wol ?
Wol Euler: architectural, a school for handicapped and developmentally challenged kids
Zen Arado: do you make money from competitions Wol?
Wol Euler: no, it's an enormous loss
Wol Euler: but has the possibility of a job that keeps the office going for three years or so
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
Eliza Madrigal: that's really interesting... can you share some of the particular considerations?
Wol Euler: well it's the first day, I spent the morning reading the brief and making notes, and the afternoon drawing up room shapes
Wol Euler: to get a rough idea of how many rooms and how big

Zen Arado: thinks you would have to know a lot about their needs first?
Eliza Madrigal: so the first bits of brainstorming
Wol Euler: less than you might think, zen, after all each individual kid will only be there for maximum ten years
PhilNS Schumann smiles at the "only"
Wol Euler: so the specific needs of this crop will be differnt to the specific needs of the next one
Wol Euler: whereas the school will endure
Zen Arado: just that I have been in new buildings that are supposed to be disabled friendly
Wol Euler: there are obvious things to consider, like high-contrast markings at edges, and as few edges as possible
Zen Arado: and only token attempt at it
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal nods...
Wol Euler: I hear you.
Wol Euler: at this stage it's quite theoretical
Zen Arado: like bathroom mirrors way above the level of someone in whellchair
Wol Euler: whoever wins the job will have a half-dozen professional advisers
Wol Euler: exactly :) badly advised
Zen Arado: gets off hobby horse
Wol Euler: on the pool we just finished there was a full-time committee member representing the wheelchair-using community
Eliza Madrigal: my peeve is places that feel too "sterilized"
Agatha Macbeth: Good hobby
Wol Euler: on every panel, and often toured the building. I got to like her :)
PhilNS Schumann: I really feel Zen has got a strong point. anybody planning for somebody's else needs should know those needs and those somebodies very well ..

Wol Euler: fair enough, but as I say the school will endure long beyond the needs of today's kids
Eliza Madrigal: impossible to know these particular children I guess
Wol Euler: whose needs do we study?
Zen Arado: yeh so many different needs
Eliza Madrigal: and yet there is a lot documented about what people feel has been lacking in previous generations
Wol Euler: the school will last at least fifty years, that's five generations of schoolkids (as it were)
Wol Euler: five cycles
Eliza Madrigal: you could do a bit of research in SL too... thriving community happy to share
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: I might well do that, actually

Bruce Mowbray wonders if cyberspace will eventually take over education -- and schools become unnecessary.
Wol Euler: I doubt it
Wol Euler: and I hope not
PhilNS Schumann: that's a good point to work on Wol, a building which could "evolve" as much as the next generations and their needs will
Bruce Mowbray: I hope not.
Eliza Madrigal: architecture that evolves...hm
Wol Euler: that is what we aim for, Phil. It has to meet the current criteria, and be as neutral as possible to allow for future changes

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: The building gene
Bruce Mowbray typist is taking the "Web Science" course through Univ. of Southampton (and I think that Zen might also be taking it.)
Eliza Madrigal: that's my concern about university in SL - that SL hasn't been... evolving...
PhilNS Schumann: clever.. and finally :-) not that you've got to demolish and start over every time

Eliza Madrigal: Oops...pause!
Eliza Madrigal: (5 minutes) :))

Eliza Madrigal: {ding}
Agatha Macbeth: Dong
Wol Euler: _/|\_
Agatha Macbeth: Merrily on high
Eliza Madrigal: :) Aggers and I are becoming Thing 1 and 2, hah
Agatha Macbeth: The bell sisters
Wol Euler: the hairy ones
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Zen Arado: I have taken so many online courses I find being in a classroom strange
Wol Euler: or were they the boxed hands? I can't remember
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Zen.
Eliza Madrigal: do you fully participate? I find the videos wonderful, but I don't follow through with writing papers etc
Bruce Mowbray: and that's sort of my point -- about public education.... especially if it were to become cost-effective to sit kids behind computers at home rather than in schools....
Zen Arado: and you can't rewind the teacher...what a nusiance
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: we all must have dropped that awful creativity one...we being such well-practiced droppers

Wol Euler: well, school isn't just about reading the materials
Zen Arado: and all that travelling
Wol Euler: part of what one learns is now to relate to other people without killing them
Bruce Mowbray ponders himself as "well-practiced dropper."
Eliza Madrigal: yes Wol
Eliza Madrigal: I homeschooled my kids, private schooled my kids, charter schooled and public schooled...
Eliza Madrigal: so there is a bit of a diamond angled view...
Bruce Mowbray: Considering the possibility of violence in schools, "not killing them" might work out better at home, too.
Eliza Madrigal: there are (also) drawbacks to too little drudgery :)

Zen Arado: ever think how much time everyone wastes travelling?
Wol Euler: what does "waste" mean?

Eliza Madrigal: what is the richest way you've gotten to know other cultures Zen?
PhilNS Schumann: sometimes that travel is an investment indeed
Eliza Madrigal: you must mean daily travel?
Zen Arado: I mean sitting in a car or train or plane
PhilNS Schumann: I suppose the answer is as usual in a good balance which will vary on each and everyone
Zen Arado: any travel
Eliza Madrigal nods
PhilNS Schumann: F2F and remote education, they both have pros and cons
Wol Euler: of course

Bruce Mowbray: So, take the cash spent on textbook, invest that in computers, and what's left over -- send the kiddies to foreign lands and call it "field-trips."

Wol Euler: those who are suited to distance learning, should do it
Eliza Madrigal: I like the blending that is being done in schools now
Zen Arado: we don't really get to know much about other cultures unless we live somewhere else for a long period
Wol Euler: after proving that they *are* suited :)
PhilNS Schumann: I believe both are needed .. and should integrate each other
Eliza Madrigal: my younger daughter was in school, but also took courses online

Wol Euler: those who want do to it so they can spend their entire lives in pyjamas shouild perhaps be forced to attend outside school :)
Eliza Madrigal: and there are various hybrids
Bruce Mowbray: The "Grand Tour" used to be a standard part of British education - at least for the aristocracy.
Agatha Macbeth: Like Arthur Dent
Eliza Madrigal: haha Wol :)
Eliza Madrigal spends a lot of time working in pajamas ::hangs head::::
PhilNS Schumann: hehe true Bruce


Wol Euler: Eliza, where did your kids learn how to work with other kids?
Zen Arado: bt foreign countries stayed foreign in those days
Zen Arado: now everywhere is the same for tourists
Zen Arado: just big hotels
Eliza Madrigal: Well... as I said there were various phases. There were wonderful advantages to homeschooling intellectually but my oldest daughter felt socially very behind when she entered reg school
Zen Arado: and everyone speaks English
Eliza Madrigal: and had a very difficult time with the 'jadedness' of other kids
Wol Euler nods to Eliza
Wol Euler: that would be my worry
Eliza Madrigal: however...
Wol Euler: the thing is, most of us have to work with other people, without killing them or giving in to despair
Eliza Madrigal: she never saw teachers and higher-ups as people she couldn't relate to
Wol Euler: that has to be learned

Bruce Mowbray: yes, socialization of children is very important -- even if it includes some hard knocks.
Zen Arado: I thought kids just socialized via FB and Twitter and tecting these days :)
Eliza Madrigal: the world is changing fast though... remote conferencing is very natural now... google+ etc
Eliza Madrigal: FB is uncool... lol
Eliza Madrigal: Tumbler :)
Bruce Mowbray: and using voice in SL....
Eliza Madrigal: and it is a high sin to mix FB and Tumblr
Zen Arado: hmm think SL is for older folks :)
Eliza Madrigal: seems so!
Wol Euler: just as well, there are more of us than kids :-P
Bruce Mowbray: agrees with Zen on that, especially since LL knocked kiddie SL off the map.

--BELL--

Zen Arado: they still get hard knowcks via Twitter etc
PhilNS Schumann: because SL is still a one-to-some relation .. teens want to shoot their voice into the WHOLE WORLD :-) and be seen by everybody in one shot

Eliza Madrigal: {ding}
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eliza Madrigal: a good point you made before the bell, Phil
PhilNS Schumann: ((brb .. this life requires my attention for a bit :-))
Eliza Madrigal: I feel that it is all about resources really... if one has the resources to homeschool and travel and coordinate groups it can be just as enriching imo... I just didn't have that :)
Bruce Mowbray: bfn, Phil!
Eliza Madrigal: especially for a child who has a particular interest they want to pursue
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like playing chess
Wol Euler nods.
Zen Arado: the web is changing education and many things in ways we underestimate perhaps

Zen Arado: I was thinking I could talk to my Doctor on Skype
Eliza Madrigal: it is just that...hm... it seems we are just beginning things that seemed obvious to do years ago... and there is so much money interest slowing things down
Zen Arado: if they weren't so old fashioned
Eliza Madrigal: it is old fashionedness, and the system has hidden interests...just like education
Eliza Madrigal: textbooks for instance... huge market
Zen Arado: or just set in old ways
Eliza Madrigal: though the poor kids can hardly carry their backpacks...even now
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe they need virtual ones
Eliza Madrigal: so many wonderful books that teachers can't even use because they have to mold to tests
Zen Arado: they don't use Kindle and iPads?
Wol Euler: yes, but: non-F2F reduces the communication enormously. In your example: could your doctor see your skin tone on skype, or smell your breath?
Eliza Madrigal: very few Zen... not even in my daughter's "high-tech" environmental school
Agatha Macbeth: And would he want to?
Wol Euler: you could tell him those things, if you knew that they were relevant ... but do you?
Eliza Madrigal: which was supposed to be paperless
Zen Arado: don't think they look at me very closely...pretty perfunctory 10 minutes
Wol Euler: yes, aggers, acetone-smell on the breath is one of the signs of incipient diabetes

Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, San-ji.
Eliza Madrigal: true Wol... there is a kind of attention that other forms prevent
Agatha Macbeth: Ick
Wol Euler: hello san
Eliza Madrigal: Hi San, great hat
Santoshima Resident: hello
Zen Arado: Hi San
Agatha Macbeth: I don't even know what acetone smells like
Agatha Macbeth waves to Sanji
Wol Euler: nail polish remover :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ahh
Eliza Madrigal: there are more and more remote appointments though...
Zen Arado: rarely check blood pressure
Agatha Macbeth: Mine does it all the time
Zen Arado: lucky you Aggers
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Eliza Madrigal: blood pressure and such could be checked at other locations, not that I'm suggesting that as preferable
Wol Euler: ironically enough, blood pressure can be taken in absentia, it's just numbers :)
Eliza Madrigal: and many stores have machines to check, now
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Eliza Madrigal: my daughter took a tb test at a walgreens the other day
Wol Euler: home machines are accurate and cheap
Zen Arado: you are adding to my argument
Eliza Madrigal: so she could handle animals
Wol Euler: and simple to use
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: in this particular case, yes :)
Agatha Macbeth: Good lord

Eliza Madrigal: we're playing both sides of the fence Zen... it is what we do, lol
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: til there is no fence
Santoshima Resident: what fence?
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Wol Euler: it's like asking me whether a hammer or a screwdriver is the ideal tool?
Zen Arado: especially since they won't come and see you unless you are completely housebound
Wol Euler: both are ideal - for different tasks
Eliza Madrigal: Zen was suggesting he would like his doctor to offer skype appointments
Santoshima Resident: good idea

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: I think again, blending is a good idea
Eliza Madrigal: (not pausing for 5 now...back to 90)

Zen Arado: could be remote diagnostic equupment too used
Eliza Madrigal: what you're suggesting is flexibility considering particular needs perhaps
Zen Arado: yeh
Zen Arado: but that doesn't exist
Wol Euler: I'm all in favour of that :)
Bruce Mowbray: afk for a few secs....
Eliza Madrigal: sigh
Eliza Madrigal: yes

Zen Arado: try travelling to Doctor's surgery on an electric wheelchair when it is near zero
Zen Arado: or pourinfg rain
Agatha Macbeth: No thanks
Eliza Madrigal: an ordeal
Eliza Madrigal: how often?
Eliza Madrigal: appointments I mean
Zen Arado: as few as possible
Wol Euler: understood :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Zen Arado: they won't give me tablets now unless I see a doc first
Santoshima Resident: crikey
Wol Euler: bah
Agatha Macbeth: OMG
Zen Arado: and I don't want to go
Eliza Madrigal nods...
Zen Arado: for above mentioned reasons :)
Eliza Madrigal: they do that to me for some things... but only after a while or if I need changes
Zen Arado: see I am used to doing everything online now
Eliza Madrigal: thankfully I see a specialist who also does all the things a reg doc would and has an in-office lab
Agatha Macbeth nods
Zen Arado: so want docs to be the same :)

Eliza Madrigal: haha... docs in pajamas
Agatha Macbeth: Makes a change from bananas
Eliza Madrigal: in one of the coursera courses, they posited that soon homosapiens will be obsolete due to tech... which will mean (in part) we/they send our bionic attachments to be worked on across the world and practice with them intuitively
Agatha Macbeth: Cybermen
Eliza Madrigal: so rather than going in for surgery, we send off things to be tweaked
Santoshima Resident: things?
Wol Euler: spare parts :)
Zen Arado: we are on the way to that already
Santoshima Resident: oh
Eliza Madrigal: whatever it means for individuals
Wol Euler: which naturally brings up the idea of modifications
Eliza Madrigal: yes with some bionic attachments, they can be operated by thought really well from quite afar
Santoshima Resident: it brings up the question of what is useful
Eliza Madrigal: so the person they will go to gets used to them

Wol Euler: why replace the part with an identical one, when you could replace your lumpy nose with one modelled on Julia roberts?
Santoshima Resident: ew
Agatha Macbeth: Who's she?
Wol Euler pokes you.
Agatha Macbeth: Yow
Eliza Madrigal: well, maybe quirkiness will evolve too
Agatha Macbeth: A quirky gene
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: I'm sure there will be as many people choosing Harry Dean Stanton as ideal, as choose James Dean
Agatha Macbeth: Think I already got some
Eliza Madrigal grins
Zen Arado: want a Brad Pitt body
Eliza Madrigal: I develop my deepest celebrity crushes on very odd actors... with "character"
Agatha Macbeth: Oh my
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Agatha Macbeth: Name a few
Eliza Madrigal: Bill Nighy
Eliza Madrigal: adore him
Bruce Mowbray listens carefuly....
Agatha Macbeth: Dunno him
Zen Arado: heh
Wol Euler: right, ugly-as-sin-but-full-of-characterr faces
Eliza Madrigal: very quirky
Bruce Mowbray: Is that the Science Guy?
Eliza Madrigal: that's bill nye
Zen Arado: yes you do Aggers
Bruce Mowbray: sry.
Agatha Macbeth: Do i?
Zen Arado: he's in everthing
Wol Euler: you just dont know his name
Eliza Madrigal: yes... you'd know if you saw him
Wol Euler: the face you will know
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Agatha Macbeth: Has he been in Dr Who?
Bruce Mowbray: https://www.google.com/search?q=Bill...w=1225&bih=662
Eliza Madrigal: I haven't seen all of Dr Who but he hasn't been a doctor
Agatha Macbeth: On skype

Eliza Madrigal: okay...now would like others to fess up... odd characters you find attractive?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Ruth Gordon.
Santoshima Resident: my cat
Agatha Macbeth: In RL or SL?
Wol Euler: Heike Makatsch
Wol Euler: Gottfried John
Eliza Madrigal: keeping google open...hah
Zen Arado: likes Nigella
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe she likes you too
Bruce Mowbray: DR2 named herself after Ruth Gordon.
Eliza Madrigal: I love Nigella too
Wol Euler: John Goodman, though I don't know if he counts as odd
Bruce Mowbray: "Maude."

Agatha Macbeth: I guess it depends on how you define an odd character

Zen Arado: http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur...d=0CJYBEPwdMAw
Eliza Madrigal nods

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: also depends, perhaps, on how you define "muffins."
Wol Euler: http://static.cinemagia.ro/img/db/ac...ch-545128l.jpg
Eliza Madrigal grins
Agatha Macbeth: Yum
Agatha Macbeth: Food glorious food
Zen Arado: I have a strange fascination for Juicy M
Zen Arado: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_ZcUiV6Mgg

Eliza Madrigal: the first time I saw Heiki I did catch my breath a little...didn't know her name til now
Wol Euler: ugly as sin, if you consider her bit by bit, but the whole is breathtaking
Eliza Madrigal: missing voices and body language it is hard to show what is attractive about the person
Bruce Mowbray wonders why his typist can't understand what Juicy M is saying.

Zen Arado: she is Ukrainian that;s why:)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Nigella Lawson says nothing at all and I understand her perfectly.
Wol Euler: :)
Zen Arado: would like a grandaughter like this :)
Zen Arado: :(
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Wol Euler: "whynl", love it
Zen Arado: so innocent

Bruce Mowbray: Hey, good people, I have to go help my typist do some scraping now.
Bruce Mowbray: Thank you all.
Eliza Madrigal: okay Bruce :) enjoy
Wol Euler: bye bruce, bon appetit
Bruce Mowbray: and stay safe and warm.
Zen Arado: but probably really crafty and shrewd
Agatha Macbeth: Scrape well Brucie
Zen Arado: byee Brucie

Eliza Madrigal: perhaps benevolent and high-minded :)
Eliza Madrigal: someone once asked me why my avatars were beautiful and I said I wanted to show pretty girls could be smart :P
Agatha Macbeth: Works too
Eliza Madrigal: well....my causes are quite different these days
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eliza Madrigal: protests going on in Ukraine today btw...
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: And Bangkok I think

Zen Arado: eh? sorry..watching video
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Nigella?
Zen Arado: no Juicy M
Agatha Macbeth: Same thing
Zen Arado: mixing Daft Punk

Eliza Madrigal: half of Nigella's charm is the way she eats while she is cooking
Eliza Madrigal: unapologetically :)
Zen Arado: she is unapoligettically hersef

Santoshima Resident: { splits quietly away ... under the fake forest screen, and into the woods ... }
Wol Euler: bye san, take care
Eliza Madrigal: :) bye San
Zen Arado: byee San
Agatha Macbeth watches San go

Wol Euler: like the Galloping Gourmet, drinking while he cooked :)
Eliza Madrigal: haha, yes
Agatha Macbeth: A short slurp
Zen Arado: she was in trouble recently
Agatha Macbeth: He was usually more cooked than the food
Wol Euler: yep
Zen Arado: takes drugs apparently
Eliza Madrigal: hm
Agatha Macbeth: Who was?
Agatha Macbeth: Nigella?
Zen Arado: Nigella
Agatha Macbeth: Oh wow
Agatha Macbeth: But then so do I of course
Eliza Madrigal: surprising... but I guess she has an indulgent personality
Zen Arado: just rememberd to put headset on
Zen Arado: :(
Zen Arado: woman up above will complain
Agatha Macbeth: You need Bruce's earmuffs
Agatha Macbeth: Or she does

Eliza Madrigal: :) I'd better go.... dinner time and I'm still sitting here thinking of other quirks I find attractive
Eliza Madrigal: plus, I can't find my glasses...
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Agatha Macbeth: O quirky one
Zen Arado: yeh better do something
Eliza Madrigal: so eyes are starting to hurt
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe the cat's wearing them
Eliza Madrigal: (((((((((friends)))))))))) thanks for a fun and lighthearted session
Wol Euler: I should head towards bed too
Zen Arado: Eliza
Zen Arado: byee
Eliza Madrigal: I wouldn't put it passed either one
Agatha Macbeth: ♥♥♥Liz♥♥♥
Wol Euler: goodnight all, enjoy your evenings/afternoons/mealtimes
Eliza Madrigal: bye for now!
Eliza Madrigal: rest !!
Agatha Macbeth: Schlaf gut Wollie
Wol Euler: ♥
Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
Zen Arado: thanks
Wol Euler: dir auch
Agatha Macbeth: Head for the hills...