2009.02.09 07:00 - Reflections on Identity

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    Becka Finesmith was the Gaurdian - All comments are hers.

    I found Susi sitting in peaceful contemplation and wondered whether I should disturb it.

    Becka Finesmith: Hello Susi
    Susi Alcott: Hello Becka
    Becka Finesmith: Have you been sitting here long?
    Susi Alcott: nice to see you agan
    Becka Finesmith: Nice to see you too
    Susi Alcott: just came
    Becka Finesmith nods
    Susi Alcott: smiles
    Becka Finesmith: You seem to glow more everytime I see you
    Susi Alcott: maybe it would be good to say *hi' again
    Susi Alcott: ty
    Becka Finesmith: for the log?
    Susi Alcott: that was my thought :)
    Becka Finesmith: Don't worry. I can put our greetings in the log when I publish it later.
    Becka Finesmith: So how are things going for you?
    Susi Alcott: aha
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: there's been very good things happening also here in meetings
    Susi Alcott: how's your days been ?
    Susi Alcott: how are you ?
    Becka Finesmith: I've been ok thank you
    Becka Finesmith: My day has been hectic
    Susi Alcott: nice to hear
    Becka Finesmith: Everything happens on a Monday
    Susi Alcott: (blushed for Becka's words of glowing)
    Becka Finesmith: lol
    Susi Alcott: have you had time to read what's happened here ?
    Becka Finesmith: only some of the emails that have gone to the group
    Becka Finesmith: is that what you mean?
    Susi Alcott: yes
    Susi Alcott: you said 'hectic'; that's what's happened here too so much
    Becka Finesmith: i have been reading them yes. An interesting thing about that is I normally misunderstand people but in this instance, I don't think I even noticed!
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Becka Finesmith: being gaurdian once a week is almost becoming my time for reflection
    Susi Alcott: thinking that you might experienced something good even you was not 'physically' present
    Becka Finesmith: Yes. It's always nice to spend time with friends
    Becka Finesmith: even if that means doing it inworld
    Susi Alcott: ment that even when you have not been inworld with your Avatar
    Becka Finesmith: ahh. Yes. I haven't been able to get inworld much lately. I am trying so hard to keep up with my course
    Susi Alcott: being within people's heart and mind who's been inworld in the meetings
    Susi Alcott: hi Fef
    Becka Finesmith: Hello Fefonz
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Susi, Becka :)
    Becka Finesmith: How are things with you?
    Fefonz Quan: great, and yourself?
    Becka Finesmith: very very well thank you :-)
    Fefonz Quan: glad to hear :)
    Becka Finesmith: Does anyone have anything they would like to share?
    Becka Finesmith: Snacks, biscuits... ;-)
    Fefonz Quan: is this a ugardian meeting by the way?
    Becka Finesmith: I don't think it is anymore
    Fefonz Quan: morning tea comes with me
    Becka Finesmith: yay!
    Becka Finesmith: I think the regime of gaurdian meetings was changed
    Becka Finesmith: let me look
    Susi Alcott: hi Fael


    Fael joined us in a loving mood... And Susi shared an Aura generator which we had fun playing with.

    Fael Illyar: Hi Susi, Becka, Fefonz :)
    Becka Finesmith: Ooops. Yes it is Fefonz - I apologise
    Becka Finesmith: Hey Fael
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Fael !
    Becka Finesmith: I should have known that but for some rason I had it in my head it had been changed since the scribes Susi Alcott: thinking that maybe I have not shared this with you yet
    Susi Alcott: Becka
    Fefonz Quan: didn't suspect the scribes are so mond changing :)
    Susi Alcott gave you Aura Generator K1.91(wear).
    Becka Finesmith: lol@ Fefonz. THank you Susi
    Susi Alcott: hm
    Susi Alcott: thinking that neither with Fef
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Fefonz Quan: it's shiny this morning :)
    Fefonz Quan: thanks Susi !
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Fefonz Quan: you spread a light
    Becka Finesmith: very very pretty :)
    Becka Finesmith: perhaps we sh0ould connect with each other by emmitting the same colour dots :-)
    Susi Alcott gave you Snapshot : Play as Being Pavilion, Bieup (62, 36, 103).
    Fefonz Quan: thanks Susi
    Fael Illyar: Thank you Susi :)
    Becka Finesmith: Thanks Susi. I will add them into the log.
    Fefonz Quan: does the targeting work for you?
    Becka Finesmith: No. I just tried to target you
    Susi Alcott gave you Tarmel, Corvi and Susi as 'trifocecolour'.
    Susi Alcott: Hi Art
    Becka Finesmith: Hello Art
    Fefonz Quan: yes, me too
    Artemisia Svoboda: Hello Becka
    Fael Illyar: Hi Art :)
    Artemisia Svoboda: Hi everyone!
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Artemisia
    Becka Finesmith: Art : We haven't met before but have you been before?
    Artemisia Svoboda: yes, I have been here a few times
    Fefonz Quan: Art looks like tarmels sister :)
    Becka Finesmith: Excellent - Sorry for asking. I just wanted to check for the logs
    Artemisia Svoboda: Becka, I think I saw you at Stim's talk last week
    Becka Finesmith: No. I haven't been inworld since last Monday :-( I've been trying to get an assignment completed
    Artemisia Svoboda: when you transcribed everything for people who could not hear him
    Becka Finesmith: oh - Yes - That was quite a while back
    Artemisia Svoboda: (two weeks ago)
    Fefonz Quan: /fefonz scribe also ook a long time
    Becka Finesmith: I thought it was months!
    Fefonz Quan: your time is running faster becla :)
    Becka Finesmith: lol. I'm on course time! That's twice as fast as everyone elses
    Becka Finesmith: in my reference frame
    Fefonz Quan: which course may i ask?
    Becka Finesmith: Physics
    Artemisia Svoboda: :))
    Fefonz Quan: specific field?
    Becka Finesmith: not surprisingly after a statement like that!
    Fefonz Quan: (relativity ?
    Fefonz Quan: :)
    Becka Finesmith: No - Just Classical and Quantum at the moment. I will specialise next year probably
    Fefonz Quan: welcome to the club :)
    Becka Finesmith: Oh so cool. Where are you at in your studies?
    Artemisia Svoboda: so you are in physics, too, Fefonz?
    Fefonz Quan: finished my M.Sc more than 10 years ago, working in the electr-optics industry since
    Becka Finesmith: Cool. Are you still enjoying it? I imagine working in the field is not the same as studying it
    Fefonz Quan: can say so Art, though not in academy course
    Fefonz Quan: well, i did many different things, most more applied than the academy
    Fefonz Quan: system engineering, image processing,
    Becka Finesmith: yes. I'm not sure where I will end up but we shall see,
    Fefonz Quan: a nice time with color spaces of LCD displays
    Fefonz Quan: but the courses are fascinating, aren't they?
    Becka Finesmith: Oh so fascinating! I look at things in a different light (literally)
    Fefonz Quan: that's great :)
    Artemisia Svoboda: Fefonz, system engineering or image processing may be where I will end up, I am studying computer science
    Fael Illyar: Hi Adams :)
    Becka Finesmith: Hey Adams.
    Artemisia Svoboda: hello adams
    Susi Alcott: hi Adams
    Fefonz Quan: might do, Art :)
    Adams Rubble: Hi everyone :)
    Becka Finesmith: I was watching a raindrop work it's way up my window the other day thinking about all the forces acting upon it!
    Fefonz Quan: /fefonz wife doing phd in CS, thus he met Pema in princeton)
    Fael Illyar is, as usual, hanging on someone's neck here.
    Fefonz Quan: post-phd *
    Becka Finesmith: Cool.
    Adams Rubble: Thanks Susi
    Susi Alcott: >Fael _/!\_
    Fefonz Quan: you don't seem to bother him Fael ;)
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Adams
    Fael Illyar: Seems not :)
    Susi Alcott: yw Adams
    Fael Illyar tries wiggling around a bit to see if anything happens.
    Becka Finesmith makes no comment
    Becka Finesmith makes no comment
    Becka Finesmith: ;-)
    Fefonz Quan: wc to the cyanics :)
    Fael Illyar blushes afterwards.
    Fefonz Quan: surprisingly, i think physics is a good background for what we are doing hereael Illyar has found math and computers good background for that too.
    Fefonz Quan: you get use to explore, do experiment, and chnage your views of thee world
    Fefonz Quan: sure, Fael :)
    Becka Finesmith: This is true Ffonz

    So how do we relate to the real world and SL?

    Susi Alcott: thought 'always' that who understand how SL is 'build' can understand very much of Universe
    Fefonz Quan: that'l be Fael, ;-)
    Becka Finesmith: lol
    Fael Illyar is tempted to say that that only needs basic programming experience but ... well, that's not entirely accurate.
    Artemisia Svoboda: probably to understand the social fabric of SL is more complex...
    Fael Illyar: yes, social fabric is the interesting part :)
    Susi Alcott: or just more open and strong than in RL
    Fefonz Quan: not sure, the same as outside, but exaggarated due to anonimity
    Fael Illyar: yes, but that also has people really exploring things.
    Susi Alcott: in SL can so many things to be done almost wtih the spped of thoughts
    Fael Illyar: that they wouldn't dare in RL
    Fefonz Quan: and flattened by the low prices to pay for your mistakes
    Fefonz Quan: (the social lives)
    Fael Illyar: well... the more time you spend here, the more possible mistakes cost you.
    Becka Finesmith: Only here though Fefonz. Other places have high prices
    Becka Finesmith: Thank you Adams
    Artemisia Svoboda: you guys hang out in other areas of SL? What have you experienced there?
    Fefonz Quan: i didn't meant money, if that was inclined
    Becka Finesmith: Reputation is always on the line I htink
    Becka Finesmith: I am very careful about the things I say, for example, in Facebook
    Susi Alcott gave you Snapshot : Play as Being Pavilion, Bieup (62, 36, 103).
    Fael Illyar: Yes, facebook writings have a rather large audience.
    Becka Finesmith: including any future employers!
    Fefonz Quan: yes, i'm not there for those reasons too.
    Adams Rubble is a little behind in the conversation
    Fael Illyar is on facebook but barely uses it.
    Adams Rubble: But yes, people do not realize how things tend to stay around on the web
    Becka Finesmith: Sorry Adams. We just got started talking about online reputations
    Fael Illyar: anything you say online is potentially available for the rest of your life
    Adams Rubble unfortunately is distracted :)
    Becka Finesmith: yes. And out opinions and outlooks change over years
    Adams Rubble: Yes, it is a bit like getting a tattooo
    Adams Rubble: It will still be there when you are old and ihn a rocking chair
    Adams Rubble: Am I doing the pink dots?
    Fefonz Quan: yep :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Becka Finesmith: So colourfull
    Adams Rubble: I was once in the position of evaluating someone and looked Googled the person and saw embarassing photos
    Becka Finesmith: did you hire them?
    Adams Rubble: No the person seemed too silly
    Fael Illyar: was it because of the photos?
    Adams Rubble: It was a while ago so i do not remember. I probably Googled because I had some doubts which were reinforced
    Adams Rubble: Normal;ly I would not do that
    Fael Illyar: sounds logical, yes.
    Becka Finesmith: what made you do it this time?
    Adams Rubble: As I mentioned my memory is a bit dim on this but there probably was somethign about the person. Maybe my impression did not match the impression on the CV
    Adams Rubble: but anyway, things posted on the internet follow us
    Becka Finesmith: interesting
    Fael Illyar smiles 'Sorry, didn't mean to grill you on it.'
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Becka Finesmith: There are things I wouldn't volunteer out there but nothing I would be embarrased about :-)
    Adams Rubble: It was my fault. I put it out there :)
    Fael Illyar has always been quite careful on what information she places online.
    Fefonz Quan: i think it is very legitimate to google people these days
    Becka Finesmith: Does ID theft scare you?
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Adams Rubble: yes becka
    Becka Finesmith nods
    Susi Alcott: for the reason
    Fefonz Quan: yep,
    Becka Finesmith: But there is so much information out there about you that you have no control over
    Artemisia Svoboda: what about our conversations here in SL? Everything is logged, and to keep a conversation going we cannot think too long and too carefully
    Becka Finesmith: (not you personally but "one")
    Artemisia Svoboda: about what to say or how to say it
    Fael Illyar: Well, I do tend to watch what I'm writing while I'm writing it.
    Susi Alcott: could anybody do that all the time ?
    Adams Rubble: Our real person is a few steps sperate from our SL self Artemisia
    Fefonz Quan: yes, adams
    Adams Rubble: but that may change too
    Fefonz Quan: how so?
    Adams Rubble could see the FBI tracking down Adams Rubble
    Adams Rubble: not all that hard
    Fael Illyar raises an eyebrow.
    Adams Rubble: just a bit of work
    Becka Finesmith: Anyone who knows me here can find out the real me quite easily I think
    Artemisia Svoboda: Many of us correspond via E-Mail and use both our RL and SL names in them
    Artemisia Svoboda: I do this so my RL friends recognize me in SL
    Becka Finesmith: indeed
    Artemisia Svoboda: so the FBI could, too
    Adams Rubble: Adams Rubble has her own email
    Fael Illyar registered a gmail account for use with SL related things.
    Adams Rubble: I think it is funny that our avatars can be Googled
    Fefonz Quan: yes, i was a little lazy on that...
    Becka Finesmith: I did that too but end up cross cantaminating it so it didn't work in the end
    Becka Finesmith: I've got more stuff out there as an avatar then the real me!
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fefonz Quan: me too :)
    Fefonz Quan has no RL :)
    Fael Illyar: real name, who's to say what the "real me" is?
    Becka Finesmith: lol @ Fefonz
    Fael Illyar: there's only RL :) SL is just a part of it
    Fefonz Quan: i know fael :)
    Adams Rubble: With so many people getting ojn the inetrnet there are other people with our RL names showing up
    Susi Alcott: sometimes wondered such people who's in wide publick and think that they are 'in cognito' in SL...
    Adams Rubble: That's one of the good things about SL. No one has our name :)
    Becka Finesmith: Just look at my profile and you will get mine!
    Becka Finesmith: "Big buck Taxidermy homepage"! I googled my name!
    Fefonz Quan: well, at least you don't have the ilussion of being hidden :)
    Becka Finesmith: no. This is true
    Adams Rubble likes the illusions :)
    Fael Illyar grins.
    Fefonz Quan: :)
    Becka Finesmith: lol
    Fefonz Quan: like many attachements, we stick to them because we like them :)
    Becka Finesmith: Attachments as in our RL selves?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fefonz Quan: exactly
    Adams Rubble: All my selves have atachments
    Fefonz Quan: some of me email don't ;-)
    Fefonz Quan: emails*
    Adams Rubble: A different strategy is to provide so much stuff no one could opossibly read it all
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Artemisia Svoboda: once we know an illusion is an illusion, maybe we can keep it without beeing too attached to it, no?
    Fefonz Quan: adams against google, hmmmm
    Fefonz Quan: i would hope so, Art
    Fefonz Quan: though not so easy, tried it
    Adams Rubble smiles at Art
    Artemisia Svoboda: what happened when you tried, fefonz?
    Adams Rubble: Yes, sometimes not so easy fefonz
    Fefonz Quan thinks of an example..
    Adams Rubble: My selves are very capricious and get into mischief :)
    Fefonz Quan: "i know i don't need that chocolate, i know i'm not hungry, but bothered by something, yet..."
    Fael Illyar: Hi buddha :)
    Artemisia Svoboda: :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello buddha :)
    buddha Nirvana: Hello fael, hi all :)
    Susi Alcott: hi buddha
    Artemisia Svoboda: hi buddha
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Buddha
    Fefonz Quan: have we seen the buddha on the way?
    buddha Nirvana: Lol not today
    Susi Alcott: have we not ?
    Fefonz Quan: someday we may :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar: buddha on the way?
    Fael Illyar blinks at a reference she's not familiar with.
    Susi Alcott: sry I have to go
    Adams Rubble notices the little dots look like fireflies on a hot August night
    Fefonz Quan: there is a saying - if you see the buddha in your way -
    Fael Illyar: See you later Susi :)
    Becka Finesmith: Me too in a second Susi. Very nice to see you
    Fefonz Quan: bye Susi
    Adams Rubble: bye Susi and Becka :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Artemisia Svoboda: bye bye
    Adams Rubble better scadaddle too
    Becka Finesmith: THanks everyone - Sorry. See you all soon.
    Fefonz Quan: bye becka :)
    Fael Illyar: See you later Becka :)
    Artemisia Svoboda: I have to leave as well
    Becka Finesmith: namaste
    Fael Illyar: See you later Adams, Becka :)
    Adams Rubble: Bye everyone :)
    Becka Finesmith's PaB Listener: No longer recording. Have a nice day. :)
    Artemisia Svoboda: see you all later
    Fael Illyar: Bye Fefonz, Art
    Fefonz Quan: bye all, see you later:)
    buddha Nirvana: Bye ;)

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