2009.02.09 07:00 - Reflections on Identity

Becka Finesmith was the Gaurdian - All comments are hers.

I found Susi sitting in peaceful contemplation and wondered whether I should disturb it.

Becka Finesmith: Hello Susi
Susi Alcott: Hello Becka
Becka Finesmith: Have you been sitting here long?
Susi Alcott: nice to see you agan
Becka Finesmith: Nice to see you too
Susi Alcott: just came
Becka Finesmith nods
Susi Alcott: smiles
Becka Finesmith: You seem to glow more everytime I see you
Susi Alcott: maybe it would be good to say *hi' again
Susi Alcott: ty
Becka Finesmith: for the log?
Susi Alcott: that was my thought :)
Becka Finesmith: Don't worry. I can put our greetings in the log when I publish it later.
Becka Finesmith: So how are things going for you?
Susi Alcott: aha
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Susi Alcott: there's been very good things happening also here in meetings
Susi Alcott: how's your days been ?
Susi Alcott: how are you ?
Becka Finesmith: I've been ok thank you
Becka Finesmith: My day has been hectic
Susi Alcott: nice to hear
Becka Finesmith: Everything happens on a Monday
Susi Alcott: (blushed for Becka's words of glowing)
Becka Finesmith: lol
Susi Alcott: have you had time to read what's happened here ?
Becka Finesmith: only some of the emails that have gone to the group
Becka Finesmith: is that what you mean?
Susi Alcott: yes
Susi Alcott: you said 'hectic'; that's what's happened here too so much
Becka Finesmith: i have been reading them yes. An interesting thing about that is I normally misunderstand people but in this instance, I don't think I even noticed!
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Becka Finesmith: being gaurdian once a week is almost becoming my time for reflection
Susi Alcott: thinking that you might experienced something good even you was not 'physically' present
Becka Finesmith: Yes. It's always nice to spend time with friends
Becka Finesmith: even if that means doing it inworld
Susi Alcott: ment that even when you have not been inworld with your Avatar
Becka Finesmith: ahh. Yes. I haven't been able to get inworld much lately. I am trying so hard to keep up with my course
Susi Alcott: being within people's heart and mind who's been inworld in the meetings
Susi Alcott: hi Fef
Becka Finesmith: Hello Fefonz
Fefonz Quan: Hi Susi, Becka :)
Becka Finesmith: How are things with you?
Fefonz Quan: great, and yourself?
Becka Finesmith: very very well thank you :-)
Fefonz Quan: glad to hear :)
Becka Finesmith: Does anyone have anything they would like to share?
Becka Finesmith: Snacks, biscuits... ;-)
Fefonz Quan: is this a ugardian meeting by the way?
Becka Finesmith: I don't think it is anymore
Fefonz Quan: morning tea comes with me
Becka Finesmith: yay!
Becka Finesmith: I think the regime of gaurdian meetings was changed
Becka Finesmith: let me look
Susi Alcott: hi Fael

   

Fael joined us in a loving mood... And Susi shared an Aura generator which we had fun playing with.

Fael Illyar: Hi Susi, Becka, Fefonz :)
Becka Finesmith: Ooops. Yes it is Fefonz - I apologise
Becka Finesmith: Hey Fael
Fefonz Quan: Hey Fael !
Becka Finesmith: I should have known that but for some rason I had it in my head it had been changed since the scribes Susi Alcott: thinking that maybe I have not shared this with you yet
Susi Alcott: Becka
Fefonz Quan: didn't suspect the scribes are so mond changing :)
Susi Alcott gave you Aura Generator K1.91(wear).
Becka Finesmith: lol@ Fefonz. THank you Susi
Susi Alcott: hm
Susi Alcott: thinking that neither with Fef
Fael Illyar smiles.
Fefonz Quan: it's shiny this morning :)
Fefonz Quan: thanks Susi !
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Fefonz Quan: you spread a light
Becka Finesmith: very very pretty :)
Becka Finesmith: perhaps we sh0ould connect with each other by emmitting the same colour dots :-)
Susi Alcott gave you Snapshot : Play as Being Pavilion, Bieup (62, 36, 103).
Fefonz Quan: thanks Susi
Fael Illyar: Thank you Susi :)
Becka Finesmith: Thanks Susi. I will add them into the log.
Fefonz Quan: does the targeting work for you?
Becka Finesmith: No. I just tried to target you
Susi Alcott gave you Tarmel, Corvi and Susi as 'trifocecolour'.
Susi Alcott: Hi Art
Becka Finesmith: Hello Art
Fefonz Quan: yes, me too
Artemisia Svoboda: Hello Becka
Fael Illyar: Hi Art :)
Artemisia Svoboda: Hi everyone!
Fefonz Quan: Hi Artemisia
Becka Finesmith: Art : We haven't met before but have you been before?
Artemisia Svoboda: yes, I have been here a few times
Fefonz Quan: Art looks like tarmels sister :)
Becka Finesmith: Excellent - Sorry for asking. I just wanted to check for the logs
Artemisia Svoboda: Becka, I think I saw you at Stim's talk last week
Becka Finesmith: No. I haven't been inworld since last Monday :-( I've been trying to get an assignment completed
Artemisia Svoboda: when you transcribed everything for people who could not hear him
Becka Finesmith: oh - Yes - That was quite a while back
Artemisia Svoboda: (two weeks ago)
Fefonz Quan: /fefonz scribe also ook a long time
Becka Finesmith: I thought it was months!
Fefonz Quan: your time is running faster becla :)
Becka Finesmith: lol. I'm on course time! That's twice as fast as everyone elses
Becka Finesmith: in my reference frame
Fefonz Quan: which course may i ask?
Becka Finesmith: Physics
Artemisia Svoboda: :))
Fefonz Quan: specific field?
Becka Finesmith: not surprisingly after a statement like that!
Fefonz Quan: (relativity ?
Fefonz Quan: :)
Becka Finesmith: No - Just Classical and Quantum at the moment. I will specialise next year probably
Fefonz Quan: welcome to the club :)
Becka Finesmith: Oh so cool. Where are you at in your studies?
Artemisia Svoboda: so you are in physics, too, Fefonz?
Fefonz Quan: finished my M.Sc more than 10 years ago, working in the electr-optics industry since
Becka Finesmith: Cool. Are you still enjoying it? I imagine working in the field is not the same as studying it
Fefonz Quan: can say so Art, though not in academy course
Fefonz Quan: well, i did many different things, most more applied than the academy
Fefonz Quan: system engineering, image processing,
Becka Finesmith: yes. I'm not sure where I will end up but we shall see,
Fefonz Quan: a nice time with color spaces of LCD displays
Fefonz Quan: but the courses are fascinating, aren't they?
Becka Finesmith: Oh so fascinating! I look at things in a different light (literally)
Fefonz Quan: that's great :)
Artemisia Svoboda: Fefonz, system engineering or image processing may be where I will end up, I am studying computer science
Fael Illyar: Hi Adams :)
Becka Finesmith: Hey Adams.
Artemisia Svoboda: hello adams
Susi Alcott: hi Adams
Fefonz Quan: might do, Art :)
Adams Rubble: Hi everyone :)
Becka Finesmith: I was watching a raindrop work it's way up my window the other day thinking about all the forces acting upon it!
Fefonz Quan: /fefonz wife doing phd in CS, thus he met Pema in princeton)
Fael Illyar is, as usual, hanging on someone's neck here.
Fefonz Quan: post-phd *
Becka Finesmith: Cool.
Adams Rubble: Thanks Susi
Susi Alcott: >Fael _/!\_
Fefonz Quan: you don't seem to bother him Fael ;)
Fefonz Quan: Hey Adams
Fael Illyar: Seems not :)
Susi Alcott: yw Adams
Fael Illyar tries wiggling around a bit to see if anything happens.
Becka Finesmith makes no comment
Becka Finesmith makes no comment
Becka Finesmith: ;-)
Fefonz Quan: wc to the cyanics :)
Fael Illyar blushes afterwards.
Fefonz Quan: surprisingly, i think physics is a good background for what we are doing hereael Illyar has found math and computers good background for that too.
Fefonz Quan: you get use to explore, do experiment, and chnage your views of thee world
Fefonz Quan: sure, Fael :)
Becka Finesmith: This is true Ffonz

So how do we relate to the real world and SL?

Susi Alcott: thought 'always' that who understand how SL is 'build' can understand very much of Universe
Fefonz Quan: that'l be Fael, ;-)
Becka Finesmith: lol
Fael Illyar is tempted to say that that only needs basic programming experience but ... well, that's not entirely accurate.
Artemisia Svoboda: probably to understand the social fabric of SL is more complex...
Fael Illyar: yes, social fabric is the interesting part :)
Susi Alcott: or just more open and strong than in RL
Fefonz Quan: not sure, the same as outside, but exaggarated due to anonimity
Fael Illyar: yes, but that also has people really exploring things.
Susi Alcott: in SL can so many things to be done almost wtih the spped of thoughts
Fael Illyar: that they wouldn't dare in RL
Fefonz Quan: and flattened by the low prices to pay for your mistakes
Fefonz Quan: (the social lives)
Fael Illyar: well... the more time you spend here, the more possible mistakes cost you.
Becka Finesmith: Only here though Fefonz. Other places have high prices
Becka Finesmith: Thank you Adams
Artemisia Svoboda: you guys hang out in other areas of SL? What have you experienced there?
Fefonz Quan: i didn't meant money, if that was inclined
Becka Finesmith: Reputation is always on the line I htink
Becka Finesmith: I am very careful about the things I say, for example, in Facebook
Susi Alcott gave you Snapshot : Play as Being Pavilion, Bieup (62, 36, 103).
Fael Illyar: Yes, facebook writings have a rather large audience.
Becka Finesmith: including any future employers!
Fefonz Quan: yes, i'm not there for those reasons too.
Adams Rubble is a little behind in the conversation
Fael Illyar is on facebook but barely uses it.
Adams Rubble: But yes, people do not realize how things tend to stay around on the web
Becka Finesmith: Sorry Adams. We just got started talking about online reputations
Fael Illyar: anything you say online is potentially available for the rest of your life
Adams Rubble unfortunately is distracted :)
Becka Finesmith: yes. And out opinions and outlooks change over years
Adams Rubble: Yes, it is a bit like getting a tattooo
Adams Rubble: It will still be there when you are old and ihn a rocking chair
Adams Rubble: Am I doing the pink dots?
Fefonz Quan: yep :)
Adams Rubble: :)
Becka Finesmith: So colourfull
Adams Rubble: I was once in the position of evaluating someone and looked Googled the person and saw embarassing photos
Becka Finesmith: did you hire them?
Adams Rubble: No the person seemed too silly
Fael Illyar: was it because of the photos?
Adams Rubble: It was a while ago so i do not remember. I probably Googled because I had some doubts which were reinforced
Adams Rubble: Normal;ly I would not do that
Fael Illyar: sounds logical, yes.
Becka Finesmith: what made you do it this time?
Adams Rubble: As I mentioned my memory is a bit dim on this but there probably was somethign about the person. Maybe my impression did not match the impression on the CV
Adams Rubble: but anyway, things posted on the internet follow us
Becka Finesmith: interesting
Fael Illyar smiles 'Sorry, didn't mean to grill you on it.'
Adams Rubble: :)
Becka Finesmith: There are things I wouldn't volunteer out there but nothing I would be embarrased about :-)
Adams Rubble: It was my fault. I put it out there :)
Fael Illyar has always been quite careful on what information she places online.
Fefonz Quan: i think it is very legitimate to google people these days
Becka Finesmith: Does ID theft scare you?
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Adams Rubble: yes becka
Becka Finesmith nods
Susi Alcott: for the reason
Fefonz Quan: yep,
Becka Finesmith: But there is so much information out there about you that you have no control over
Artemisia Svoboda: what about our conversations here in SL? Everything is logged, and to keep a conversation going we cannot think too long and too carefully
Becka Finesmith: (not you personally but "one")
Artemisia Svoboda: about what to say or how to say it
Fael Illyar: Well, I do tend to watch what I'm writing while I'm writing it.
Susi Alcott: could anybody do that all the time ?
Adams Rubble: Our real person is a few steps sperate from our SL self Artemisia
Fefonz Quan: yes, adams
Adams Rubble: but that may change too
Fefonz Quan: how so?
Adams Rubble could see the FBI tracking down Adams Rubble
Adams Rubble: not all that hard
Fael Illyar raises an eyebrow.
Adams Rubble: just a bit of work
Becka Finesmith: Anyone who knows me here can find out the real me quite easily I think
Artemisia Svoboda: Many of us correspond via E-Mail and use both our RL and SL names in them
Artemisia Svoboda: I do this so my RL friends recognize me in SL
Becka Finesmith: indeed
Artemisia Svoboda: so the FBI could, too
Adams Rubble: Adams Rubble has her own email
Fael Illyar registered a gmail account for use with SL related things.
Adams Rubble: I think it is funny that our avatars can be Googled
Fefonz Quan: yes, i was a little lazy on that...
Becka Finesmith: I did that too but end up cross cantaminating it so it didn't work in the end
Becka Finesmith: I've got more stuff out there as an avatar then the real me!
Adams Rubble: :)
Fefonz Quan: me too :)
Fefonz Quan has no RL :)
Fael Illyar: real name, who's to say what the "real me" is?
Becka Finesmith: lol @ Fefonz
Fael Illyar: there's only RL :) SL is just a part of it
Fefonz Quan: i know fael :)
Adams Rubble: With so many people getting ojn the inetrnet there are other people with our RL names showing up
Susi Alcott: sometimes wondered such people who's in wide publick and think that they are 'in cognito' in SL...
Adams Rubble: That's one of the good things about SL. No one has our name :)
Becka Finesmith: Just look at my profile and you will get mine!
Becka Finesmith: "Big buck Taxidermy homepage"! I googled my name!
Fefonz Quan: well, at least you don't have the ilussion of being hidden :)
Becka Finesmith: no. This is true
Adams Rubble likes the illusions :)
Fael Illyar grins.
Fefonz Quan: :)
Becka Finesmith: lol
Fefonz Quan: like many attachements, we stick to them because we like them :)
Becka Finesmith: Attachments as in our RL selves?
Adams Rubble: :)
Fefonz Quan: exactly
Adams Rubble: All my selves have atachments
Fefonz Quan: some of me email don't ;-)
Fefonz Quan: emails*
Adams Rubble: A different strategy is to provide so much stuff no one could opossibly read it all
Adams Rubble: hehe
Artemisia Svoboda: once we know an illusion is an illusion, maybe we can keep it without beeing too attached to it, no?
Fefonz Quan: adams against google, hmmmm
Fefonz Quan: i would hope so, Art
Fefonz Quan: though not so easy, tried it
Adams Rubble smiles at Art
Artemisia Svoboda: what happened when you tried, fefonz?
Adams Rubble: Yes, sometimes not so easy fefonz
Fefonz Quan thinks of an example..
Adams Rubble: My selves are very capricious and get into mischief :)
Fefonz Quan: "i know i don't need that chocolate, i know i'm not hungry, but bothered by something, yet..."
Fael Illyar: Hi buddha :)
Artemisia Svoboda: :)
Adams Rubble: Hello buddha :)
buddha Nirvana: Hello fael, hi all :)
Susi Alcott: hi buddha
Artemisia Svoboda: hi buddha
Fefonz Quan: Hi Buddha
Fefonz Quan: have we seen the buddha on the way?
buddha Nirvana: Lol not today
Susi Alcott: have we not ?
Fefonz Quan: someday we may :)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Fael Illyar: buddha on the way?
Fael Illyar blinks at a reference she's not familiar with.
Susi Alcott: sry I have to go
Adams Rubble notices the little dots look like fireflies on a hot August night
Fefonz Quan: there is a saying - if you see the buddha in your way -
Fael Illyar: See you later Susi :)
Becka Finesmith: Me too in a second Susi. Very nice to see you
Fefonz Quan: bye Susi
Adams Rubble: bye Susi and Becka :)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Artemisia Svoboda: bye bye
Adams Rubble better scadaddle too
Becka Finesmith: THanks everyone - Sorry. See you all soon.
Fefonz Quan: bye becka :)
Fael Illyar: See you later Becka :)
Artemisia Svoboda: I have to leave as well
Becka Finesmith: namaste
Fael Illyar: See you later Adams, Becka :)
Adams Rubble: Bye everyone :)
Becka Finesmith's PaB Listener: No longer recording. Have a nice day. :)
Artemisia Svoboda: see you all later
Fael Illyar: Bye Fefonz, Art
Fefonz Quan: bye all, see you later:)
buddha Nirvana: Bye ;)