2009.02.10 13:00 - In praise of the Dharmadhatu

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.

    Pema, Scathach, Tarmel and me come to the meeting, along with a new one - Yichard.

    Fefonz Quan: Hi Pema :)
    Pema Pera: Hi again Fefonz
    Pema Pera: long time no see!
    Fefonz Quan: Say hi to Lia for me :)
    Pema Pera: will do!
    Pema Pera: Hi Yichard!
    Yichard Muni: Hi :-)
    Pema Pera: Have you been here before, Yichard?
    Yichard Muni: no
    Yichard Muni: I though there was a specific topic, tonight
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Richard
    Pema Pera: no, that is in the Kira Cafe
    Pema Pera: We get together a few times a day to chat about the nature of reality, and everything else, and we have a wiki http://playasbeing.wik.is/ -- We record our conversations there. Do you mind being included in our blogs?
    Fefonz Quan was afk for a while
    Yichard Muni: looking at the wiki
    Fefonz Quan: Aloha, Scath :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Scath!
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Fefonz, Pema:)
    Yichard Muni: Vendui Scathach
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Yichard
    Yichard Muni: why not to include me in the blog?
    Yichard Muni: -
    Pema Pera: brb, RL calling
    Fefonz Quan: what do you mean Yichard?
    Yichard Muni: -
    Fefonz Quan: no, the line before it ?
    Fefonz Quan: :)
    Fefonz Quan: did i say something ? :-/
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: not that I heard
    Fefonz Quan: i didn't think so :)
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Tarm!
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Tarmel:)
    Fefonz Quan: good to see you
    Pema Pera: Fefonz, I asked Yichard whether it was okay to include him in the blog
    Pema Pera: so he responded :-)
    Pema Pera: thanks, Yichard!
    Scathach Rhiadra: a week alter?
    Tarmel Udimo: hi fefonz, scath and pema
    Scathach Rhiadra: later*
    Pema Pera: Hi Tarmel!
    Scathach Rhiadra: hmm, I'm getting confused, see things in chat taht are not there:)
    Pema Pera: and hi Scathach

    The last sad event of deadly fires in Australia is duscussed. 

    Fefonz Quan: Tarmel, i read that it's too hot in AUstralia lately :-(
    Tarmel Udimo: yes horrible forest fires - deth toll up to 200
    Tarmel Udimo: death
    Tarmel Udimo: luckily in Victoria not Sydney
    Fefonz Quan: yes, sounds terrible
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Tarmel Udimo: humm, the temp had been up to 40 degrees for a week before that
    Tarmel Udimo: so it was inevitable
    Tarmel Udimo: but then up in Queensland another state they are having flods which are also killing people
    Fefonz Quan: it gets a above 40 where i come from, but mostly with no casulties...
    Tarmel Udimo: its a very extreme environment
    Tarmel Udimo: not fires?
    Fefonz Quan: not mostly.
    Tarmel Udimo: desert?
    Fefonz Quan: the deserts don't have many trees, thoguh
    Tarmel Udimo: we have the bush - lovely eucalytptus trees that oddly enough needs fires to regrow
    Fefonz Quan: needs fires?
    Yichard Muni: sorry, I crashed
    Scathach Rhiadra: wb Yichard
    Tarmel Udimo: yes the indigenous poplutaion knew how to use fire to regrow the forests or change the landscape, turn areas into scrubb land and back again to forests
    Fefonz Quan: amasing, didn't think somebody does or can do it these days
    Tarmel Udimo: hummm
    Tarmel Udimo: most of the fires have been set by arsonists which is very strange
    Tarmel Udimo: a very strange thing to do....
    Yichard Muni: each time it is the same: arsonists
    Fefonz Quan: (what are arsonits?)
    Yichard Muni: arsonites: new cult, lol
    Tarmel Udimo: people who set fires
    Pema Pera: sorry again, RL calling once more. I will have to leave -- sorry about that
    Yichard Muni: to reply your previous question, Pema, I don't mind if my name is in the logs
    Pema Pera: (life is just too hectic these days .....)
    Fefonz Quan: thanks, YIchard
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Pema:)
    Tarmel Udimo: bye pema
    Pema Pera: bye for now!
    Yichard Muni: bye
    Yichard Muni: hmmm... I won't be able to stay much, it is late here
    Fefonz Quan: ok, hope to see you again YIchard
    Yichard Muni: shadow has long ago engulfed my side of our planet
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Yichard Muni: let us start, before I go
    Tarmel Udimo: bye yichard
    Fefonz Quan: the light will come back :)
    Yichard Muni: -
    Fefonz Quan likes the word 'engulfed'

    Emotions and dealing with them in a spiritual is the next topic. And one of great interest indeed. 

    Tarmel Udimo: I've been reading a book about emotions
    Tarmel Udimo: in a spiritual context
    Tarmel Udimo: Tibetan
    Fefonz Quan: can you tell more?
    Scathach Rhiadra: mm, sounds interesting:)
    Yichard Muni: -
    Tarmel Udimo: its about our relationship to space
    Tarmel Udimo: and so for instance - fear - becomes anger which is considered water based is also the opposite of clarity, pentrating insight
    Tarmel Udimo: so each negative emotion has its dual counterpart and if meditated on and worked with will produce the opposite
    Scathach Rhiadra: who is the author?
    Tarmel Udimo: nothing new to therapy
    Fefonz Quan: ah, the 'pollutioning' factor and their antidotes?
    Tarmel Udimo: its called spectrum of ecstasy by Ngakpa Chogyam
    Fefonz Quan: factors*
    Yichard Muni: -
    Yichard Muni: -
    Fefonz Quan: (Yichard, i can see only '-' when you type, is it ok?)
    Tarmel Udimo: unlike therapy however one meditates on these states on of course they have image based representations in manadals an wrathful gods
    Fefonz Quan: so how do you handle fear in that method?
    Tarmel Udimo: give me a min..
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Fefonz Quan: even two
    Tarmel Udimo: thanks fefonz :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: well its by doing what we do in Pab or pheono observing
    Tarmel Udimo: so when anger arises recognise that its based on some form of fear
    Tarmel Udimo: in fact its interesting when one is angrey how precise and directed and focused our thoughts, emotions can be
    Fefonz Quan: yes, it is very powerful
    Tarmel Udimo: in looking at or discovering the fear, theanger dissolves into clarity
    Fefonz Quan: among the toughest times to contemplate and not get carried away with it
    Tarmel Udimo: yes, buddhism never says it is bad to be angrey but sees its use of energy as a way of cutting through
    Tarmel Udimo: howvere one must also be unattached to it... :-)
    Fefonz Quan: and when transformed to fear (+ clarity), what's next?
    Tarmel Udimo: penetrating wisdom :-)
    Fefonz Quan knew the answer will be short and easy to imlement ;-)

    Language,font and Tibetian are mixed together...

    Scathach Rhiadra: א¼‡א¼³
    Fefonz Quan: implement*
    Tarmel Udimo: hahahahaha
    Fefonz Quan: Scath, i see just some weird symbols on your last comment... is it just me?
    Scathach Rhiadra: no, they are there:)
    Yichard Muni: sorry, crashed again
    Tarmel Udimo: wb yichard
    Scathach Rhiadra: I'm trying to get Tibetan script to work in SL, forgot what language I had turned on:)
    Yichard Muni: tibetan letters?
    Fefonz Quan: ok :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes Yichard
    Yichard Muni: doesn't it use UTF8?
    Fefonz Quan: just make sure we speak the same language Scath :)
    Tarmel Udimo: can you speak tibetan scath
    Scathach Rhiadra: hmmm, I opnly know there id a unicode font, not the technicalities
    Scathach Rhiadra: is*
    Yichard Muni: there is
    Yichard Muni: Nya peuskad tos she kyi yeu
    Scathach Rhiadra: it doesn't seem to work properly though
    Scathach Rhiadra: can't stack letters
    Yichard Muni: but the viewer must render all the UTF8, this is not warranted
    Yichard Muni: tibetan UTFs use letters in different positions, in order to stack them, like we do with accents
    Scathach Rhiadra: hmm
    Yichard Muni: -
    Scathach Rhiadra: and I can type direct input into any app, like notepad, even twitter, Facebook
    Scathach Rhiadra: but in chat window, the letters won't stack
    Fefonz Quan: maybe the font here is too small for that?
    Scathach Rhiadra: well it handles Japanese
    Yichard Muni: I can do ^p
    Fefonz Quan: not been an opressed small nation helps....
    Yichard Muni: ... even in SL , lol
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Tarmel Udimo: :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: is maxine's dream workshop on today?
    Fefonz Quan: yes, nine minutes to Dream Life
    Yichard Muni: so the viewer doesn't use UTF. If it did, it would be able to fetch any set of character on the proper server, and display it properly
    Yichard Muni: -
    Tarmel Udimo: well I need caffine before I continue so I might just duck away for a few mins :-)
    Fefonz Quan: (should it use WTF, a new protocol ?)
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, well Pema has asked a Linden for help, maybe something will come of that:)
    Scathach Rhiadra: it would be good for the Tibetan language classes
    Fefonz Quan thinks how do one looks when ducking away :),
    Scathach Rhiadra: ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, Tarmel:)
    Fefonz Quan: (just off topic, yeah)
    Scathach Rhiadra: I'm a bit slow tonight:)
    Fefonz Quan: no, just focused on the important things ging on here :)
    Fefonz Quan: going*

    Some quotations from Scath: "Know that perception involved with the duality of perceiver and perceived is consciousness. Know that awareness itself, liberated from perceiver and perceived, is primordial awareness: the dharmadhatu." -  Khenpo Tsultrim Gyamtso Rinpoche

    And Scath also gives this session it name:

    Scathach Rhiadra: found some nice qoutations about awareness/perception
    Scathach Rhiadra: Know that perception involved with the duality of perceiver and perceived is consciousness. Know that awareness itself, liberated from perceiver and perceived, is primordial awareness: the dharmadhatu. ג€”Khenpo Tsultrim Gyamtso Rinpoche
    Fefonz Quan: great quotations, Scath
    Fefonz Quan: those tibetans, they are really ahead of us
    Scathach Rhiadra: I've been reading a text called 'In praise of the Dharmadhatu, (Being)
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, time for the workshop?
    Fefonz Quan: yes, Dreamdhatu
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Fefonz Quan: i will be going there too, are you tarmel?
    Scathach Rhiadra: is Tarmel back with us yet?
    Fefonz Quan: and Scath, i think you got the tiltle for today :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: ?
    Fefonz Quan: i would like to use your dharmadhatu as a title, appropriate, isn't it?
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Fefonz Quan: tarmels hat tail shines in all colors :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: Tarmel?
    Fefonz Quan: see you there
    Tarmel Udimo: I am back...
    Tarmel Udimo: see you there
    Scathach Rhiadra: ok


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