2009.02.17 07:00 - VideoRanch and Doors

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

    Ok, Ok, Rl got me... And it took 2 days to get back to adding the commentry.

    This morning Pema was already there ahead of me.  Being just the two of us, I wanted to appologize for missing his big Astromony thing the day before.  And to pass on that I had mentioned him to some of his aquaintences in another Virtural World that he did some lectures in a couple years ago.

    Pema Pera: /low
    Pema Pera: Hi Riddle!
    Riddle Sideways: good morning
    Pema Pera: Hi there, Adams!
    Adams Rubble: Hello Pema and Riddle :)
    Riddle Sideways: I was sad to miss your presentation yesterday, pema
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Adams
    Pema Pera: It was fun, Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: I told Nez and Vic about it
    Pema Pera: and we had quite an audience, somewhere between 30 and 40 avs
    Pema Pera: ah, how nice, how are they doing?
    Pema Pera: Did you meet them in Videoranch?
    Riddle Sideways: yes, but they live a few miles from me
    Adams joins us and I start to finish sentences and get on track  (but what is track, here?)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pema Pera: oh, yet met them in RL?
    Riddle Sideways: they had the ranch going too much last year and have slowed it down
    Pema Pera: *you
    Pema Pera: yes, I noticed that the notes dwindled
    Pema Pera: on their mailing list
    Riddle Sideways: no, first met in VR3d
    Pema Pera: hard to keep that up with just two people
    Pema Pera: so when "you told them" you mean in Videoranch, yesterday?
    Well, the questions are coming fast and what little answers are spread all over. At this moment I really just want to drink my first cuf-o-cuppee (mugs that say that are on sale at VideoRanch.com). I have 2 cats wanting something rom me and I tell myself that I will comment this and can explain there/then.
    Riddle Sideways: that had/have about 10 people
    Pema Pera: easier with 45 guardians :-)
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Riddle Sideways: sunday, VR I told them to go SL 10am

    It goes like this...  Michael Nesmith (of monkees, and elephant parts, etc. fame) has (with his wife "Fang"/Foreman/Victoria) a virtual world named Video Ranch (Activeworlds based universe accessed from VideoRanch.com).  I am providing shameless advertizing here, because I like it and them (come look around someday, best Wed.-Sun after 5PST).  They have chat, play, Movies (in a classic Drive-in Theater), playlist music for dancing and occasional LIVE music performances.  You need to experience LIVE (green screen projected) performers brought into a Virtual World.
    this is the place Pema/Piet gave his first Lectures, meetings, events, happenings.

    Adams Rubble: except it must be hard keeping up with 45 guardians :)
    Pema Pera: hahaha, will Scathach will help
    Adams Rubble: Hello Doug
    Pema Pera: next month, the wratch of Schathach will descend on all yea who don't produce chat logs in time!
    Pema Pera: Hi Doug
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Doug
    Pema Pera: Scathach will be our guardian's guardian
    doug Sosa: morning.
    Pema Pera: So Riddle, maybe some of them came, but I wouldn't have recognized them with different names in SL as in VR
    Different Worlds, different names, different avs, different personalities, differant channels, etc. at any giving half hour we might be recognizable, but I doubt it.
    Pema Pera: big drawback of this whole name game . . .
    doug Sosa: morning
    Riddle Sideways: yep, some ppl named Cal are not the same person
    Pema Pera: so people still gather there once a day?
    Riddle Sideways: and sometimes one person takes on multi avs
    Adams Rubble: shocking
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Riddle Sideways: new habit... looking up to who is looking down :)
    Pema Pera: people still gather once a day in VR?
    Pema Pera: ?? looking up/down?
    Riddle Sideways: yes, there are movies f,S,Sun
    Riddle Sideways: and dance music at 2 venues
    Adams Rubble: Susi's falcon is looking down except he is hooded :)
    Pema Pera: ?
    Riddle Sideways: hasn't been lecturer in a long time
    There was a most outragious book reading and signing event there once (in the same barn Pema did). 
    Oh, yes I have met in RL almost all the ranch regulars.  I am almost always a pink flamingo there, except since thansgiving I have been a turkey.

    Adams Rubble: Up above us on one of the rails :)
    Yes, the raven is up there I see it.
    Pema Pera: !
    Pema Pera: no live performances?
    Riddle Sideways: not since about October
    Riddle Sideways: They say they are upgrading studio
    Riddle Sideways: but, I think september burned them out
    Pema Pera: has the attendance remained about steady, the last couple years, or growing?
    Doug joins us in his usual unusal way...
    doug Sosa: so this morning i am doing PaB with the laptop ballanced on a box from amazon, sitting on the floor, doing yoga, with an eye on the screen.
    Riddle Sideways: grew to up 100 at big concerts
    Riddle Sideways: average non-concert night at about 20-30
    Pema Pera: that will be hard to translate into a business model . . . .
    Pema Pera: which I thought they wanted to do at some point
    Pema Pera: very different scale than SL
    Riddle Sideways: yes, so they said they were changing they biz model and gave us our subscription money back
    Pema Pera hopes that neither Doug nor his laptop will topple during Doug'as yoga
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pema Pera: really???

    Take a moment and envision Doug.
    Think deep about Doug's laptop.

    Think about your posture while you are reading this.
    Makes you sit up straighter, doesn't it :).

    doug Sosa: i think the same.
    Pema Pera: money back, in this day and age :)
    Riddle Sideways: funny huh
    Pema Pera: that seems even less of a promising business model :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pema Pera: giving money away . . .
    Pema Pera: what is their new model?
    doug Sosa: we are precarious. the balalnce is good though, since the keyboard is right over the center of the box.
    Riddle Sideways: not sure... sponsors prolly
    Pema Pera: but can it ever scale to 1,000 or 10,000 or more avs?
    Riddle Sideways: not sure they want it to
    Riddle Sideways: the platform can
    Fascinating ways to look at business and/or life.  What is YOUR business model?   Will you be able to scale to 1,000 or 10,000 clients, users, customers, friends, items of inventory, lines of code, etc.
    Pema Pera: in that case it will remain a hobby, not a business
    Riddle Sideways: yep
    doug Sosa: is life a hobby or a business? Science?

    People that have always had lots of money, sometimes are driven to get/have more. and sometimes they can relax into retirement easier.  If your husband is the money/name are you powered up to make a success out of a play thing.

    Out of the grey of the Northern sky comes Lightening and big rolling thunder.

    Riddle Sideways: oooooo thunder and lighting here
    Pema Pera: depends on how you earn a livelihood, Doug
    Riddle Sideways: we almost never get lightening here
    Pema Pera: ah, in RL you mean :-)
    Adams Rubble thinking about 1000 or 10,000 avatars
    Adams Rubble: Kind fo a scary thought
    Riddle Sideways: in RL I may lose power. Flash flood warnings on radio
    Adams Rubble: Wow Riddle
    doug Sosa: sounds like the russian river, lots of heavy rain.
    doug Sosa: we lost power yesterday.
    Pema Pera: I'm in California too, lots of rain here yesterday, in LA . . .
    Riddle Sideways: Carmel River
    Riddle Sideways: wow, even LA hs rain
    doug Sosa: didn'nt know there was a carmel river, and i was in carmel two weks ago.
    Pema Pera: yes, I was out here for the MICA meeting, combined RL/SL event
    Riddle Sideways: and what, you didn't stop and say HI
    ALL RIGHT, this HAS to stop !!!!
    If you are in my area, ya'll need to come see me.  I might not drive to Berkely on a work day, but you can come see me :)

    Pema Pera: only for one day -- and one day of heavy rain; felt like I visited Holland!
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Pema Pera: we could have met in Hearst Castle, right, midway?
    doug Sosa: rl trumps sl in hearst castle.
    Pema Pera: :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pema Pera: Actually, I should go get some breakfast before talking off for the airport, to fly back to JFK
    Pema Pera: Thanks, Riddle, for the update about Videoranch
    doug Sosa: may bernouli (sp) be with you.
    Pema Pera: I'll send an email to Nez and Vic, to see how they're doing
    Riddle Sideways: eat a big breakfast then fly stormy skies?
    Pema Pera: not so big, Riddle, not to worry :)
    Riddle Sideways: yes, they want to hear from/about you
    Pema Pera: are they often in world themselves?
    Riddle Sideways: Nez hides
    Famous people get shy :).
    Pema Pera: yes, he likes to observe :)
    Riddle Sideways: and they play far too much WOW
    Pema Pera: both of them ???
    Pema Pera: really ???
    Riddle Sideways: yes,there is a VR guild
    Pema Pera falls over from amazement
    Ha, yes, even the most mild mannered of us would fall victom of WOW (World Of Warcraft)  a mastively huge (SL or bigger) virtual killing field world role player world.  DO NOT ever start playing that game.  It is a time sink that will take your life away.  Mild mannered angels of RL people, hacking the heads of elfs.
    Adams Rubble: Hello Fefonz :)
    Pema Pera: Hello and goodbye Fefonz :)
    Riddle Sideways: vic/fang is a brutal soldier
    Adams Rubble: bye Pema Have a good flight :)
    Pema Pera: see, I fell over!
    Riddle Sideways: ok, bye Pema
    Pema Pera: see you all soon again!
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Fefonz
    Riddle Sideways: Sorry, to have gone on about a different world
    Riddle Sideways: that was rude
    Fefonz joins us.   I realize I have once again gone on and on.
    Adams Rubble: Nah :)
    Riddle Sideways: but, I do that at parties goo
    Riddle Sideways: too
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: and PaB is like a party :)
    Fefonz Quan: that's the "Pa" part :)
    doug Sosa: a meditation party
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fefonz Quan: Party and boose
    Riddle Sideways: and Play
    doug Sosa: leave your ego at the door.
    Riddle Sideways looks around for a door
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Fefonz Quan: me too :)
    Riddle Sideways: I checked my ego at the door once...
    Riddle Sideways: and lost my ticket stub
    doug Sosa: then never could find the door.
    Riddle Sideways: Thank you ... nice door
    Riddle Sideways: now put egos on other side
    doug Sosa: but on the othr sie, is this side
    Adams Rubble: :)
    doug Sosa: sie side
    Adams Rubble: can put underneath :)
    Riddle Sideways: like my cats think... This is the wrong side of the door
    doug Sosa: christian mysticism
    Riddle Sideways: oooo I had a desk like that flat door
    doug Sosa: as the cat thinks, the way up is god, the way down is dog
    Riddle Sideways: ah but most times we should notknow what catthinks
    Fefonz Quan: there is an old joke:
    doug Sosa: just a question of empathy and projected imagination.
    Adams Rubble: Simple "I would eat you if you were smaller and I were bigger"
    doug Sosa: but since he is bigger why doesn't he eat me?
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Fefonz Quan: your dog thinks: that man feeds me, give me drink, food, a bed, comfort and all i need - he must be god.
    doug Sosa: no, god works for me and gives me this servant.
    Fefonz Quan: your cat thinks - that man gives me drink, food, comfort, a place to live and sleep - iI must be god!
    Fefonz Quan: I*
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Riddle Sideways: hehe
    doug Sosa: the cat thinks, i am god.
    Riddle Sideways: I visit many virtual worlds
    Riddle Sideways: most have chat
    Riddle Sideways: and I can't remember
    Riddle Sideways: anybody ever
    Adams Rubble: Cats have some instinct for good...they will leave a dead mouse for the homeowner on the back step :)
    Riddle Sideways: really telling a joke all the way thought
    Riddle Sideways: without interruption ortypo
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Riddle Sideways: you have a good cat then
    Riddle Sideways: mine bring the mouse into the bath tub to torture
    Adams Rubble: Well who knows what he did before leaving it
    doug Sosa: i think you suspect.
    Fefonz Quan would take a dog over a cat anytime
    Riddle Sideways: I can hear them before mouse is dead
    doug Sosa: try a person
    Riddle Sideways: no, would take a cat or dog before a person
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Adams Rubble hands Riddle a cat
    doug Sosa: pesons are harder but really more fun.
    Riddle Sideways hands Adams one of my kids
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Fefonz Quan: sure, a person beats them all :)
    Adams Rubble knows better about Riddle :)
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    doug Sosa: ouch, gotta go. quietly bye
    Adams Rubble: be Doug
    Adams Rubble: bye
    Riddle Sideways: ouch? bye
    Adams Rubble: He is doing yoga
    Riddle Sideways: yoga instructor hit him?
    Adams Rubble: Hello Samuel
    Adams Rubble: Maybe his laptop fell on him
    Samuel Okelly: hello every1 :)
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Samual
    Riddle Sideways: well, come sit with us
    Riddle Sideways: or put clothes on
    Fefonz Quan: ho Sam
    Samuel Okelly: seems like im not the only one waiting for things to rez ;-)
    Riddle Sideways: oh, that is not the doorway to your soul in front of us
    Fefonz Quan: what's the regular use of "rez" ?
    Adams Rubble: ?
    Adams Rubble: Do you mean how to use it in a sentence or what does it mean?
    Fefonz Quan: the doors of perception?
    Fefonz Quan: what does it mean
    Riddle Sideways: oh dear, now I will humm Doors songs
    Adams Rubble: A, it means the process of things becoming visible in Second Life
    Fefonz Quan: yes, i asked about RL :)
    Adams Rubble: I don;t think it would be easy to get the human Doors to check their egos at the door
    Samuel Okelly: did something here light your fire Rid?
    Riddle Sideways: woke up this morning and got myself a beeeer
    Fefonz Quan: (if i would not jump in adams might get to B)
    Riddle Sideways: not a good thought
    Adams Rubble: The A was a typo. hehe
    Fefonz Quan: A typo
    Riddle Sideways: when the musics over,I will turn off the recorder
    Adams Rubble: Rezz is short for resolution...don;t know that it would translate into RL that way
    Fefonz Quan: :)
    Riddle Sideways: conflict resolution
    Riddle Sideways: con rez
    Adams Rubble: OK, we can rezz a conlict :)
    Adams Rubble: neat!
    Riddle Sideways: no thanks got enough
    Fefonz Quan not sure how this levitation happened
    Adams Rubble: This conversation is hard to follow. hehe
    Adams Rubble: Fefonz. Just stand up and sit again
    Fefonz Quan: and hard to resolve too
    Fefonz Quan: yes, i know how to solve it :)
    Adams Rubble: It probably happened because you switched seats without standing
    Riddle Sideways: Storm's champagne often causes it
    Samuel Okelly: if it were only so simple toresolve human conflict with the same ease we can delete or "unrez" unwanted objects here in sl
    Riddle Sideways: enlightened thoughts some time do that
    Riddle Sideways: Samual, been meaning to ask...
    Adams Rubble welcomes Fefonz back to earth
    Riddle Sideways: why you don't sit in frontrow
    Fefonz Quan: just for a while, adams :)
    Samuel Okelly: for no particular reason
    Samuel Okelly: first place to rez on my screen away from the green dots that indicate ppl
    Fefonz Quan: well, if adams sat closer, he would be endangered by the DOOR
    Adams Rubble: ?
    Samuel Okelly: anyhow, depending on where you are sat, i AM on the front row :)
    Fefonz Quan: at least from my point of view, it hangs above the cushion infront him
    Adams Rubble: You mean Samuel?
    Fefonz Quan: yes
    Riddle Sideways: there is always that POV reason
    Riddle Sideways: SL would be sooooo boring if we all had the same POV
    Samuel Okelly: your commenst suggests that you view me as being behind you, where as i may just as easily be described as being "in fornt of" you
    Fefonz Quan: yes, life too :)
    Fefonz Quan: (to riddle)
    Riddle Sideways: it was a fine opening for talking about POV
    Riddle Sideways: one persons cealing is another ones floor
    Fefonz Quan: and fronts change all the time
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, folks all I can do today is quote songs
    Fefonz Quan: sorry seems to be the hardest word :)
    Riddle Sideways: seems to be an easy WORD
    Samuel Okelly: well it may have been a hard day's night
    Adams Rubble: Sorry with the fringe on top
    Samuel Okelly: word up!
    Fefonz Quan was just quoting
    Adams Rubble: I must depart, Have a good day everyone :)
    Samuel Okelly: tc ad
    Fefonz Quan: night adams :)
    Riddle Sideways: I must go too
    Adams Rubble: night?
    Samuel Okelly: tc rid
    Adams Rubble: bye for now
    Riddle Sideways: day, Adams
    Samuel Okelly: cheerio every1 :)
    Fefonz Quan: sorry, time confusion
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fefonz Quan: see you riddle, samual
    Riddle Sideways: c'ya
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