2009.02.28 13:00 - Multiple chemical sensitivity

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    Wol Euler recovered this session from the autologging database, and gave it a provisional title. Aurora Kitaj was the guardian.


    Zen Arado: Hi Aurora

    Aurora Kitaj: Hello there

    Zen Arado: Slack

    slack7639 Gigamon: hi!

    Auroras Graves: Hello to all

    Aurora Kitaj: Welcome Zen and slack and Ari

    Aurora Kitaj: :)

    Arisia Vita: Hi all

    Aurora Kitaj: Please make your self comfortable

    Auroras Graves: Thank You :)

    Zen Arado: Hi Ari

    Aurora Kitaj: Hi there Auroras

    Aurora Kitaj: We've got quite similar names

    Arisia Vita: Hi Zen, good to see you

    slack7639 Gigamon: all is one

    Auroras Graves: :) indeed, i even have to cats that go by Aurora and Borealis :)

    Auroras Graves: two, sorry

    Zen Arado: you too

    Aurora Kitaj: Slack has just been telling me about a theory he as about autism

    slack7639 Gigamon: aurora says some here r interested in the subject of autism?

    Aurora Kitaj: that a positive from me

    Aurora Kitaj: Hello there Susi

    Auroras Graves: Hello Susi

    Aurora Kitaj: please come and take a seat

    Aurora Kitaj: make yourself comfortable

    slack7639 Gigamon: ok, i will tell u my theory

    Aurora Kitaj: Now for those of you who are visiting Play as Being for the first time

    Aurora Kitaj: here is a wiki, which tells you about the sessions

    Aurora Kitaj: http://playasbeing.wik.is/

    slack7639 Gigamon: i think maybe autism or aspbergers could be from MCS, multiple chemical sensitivity

    Aurora Kitaj: that sounds very interesting slack

    Aurora Kitaj: I've a son, his dad and me who are on the autistic spectrum

    slack7639 Gigamon: to test it out, try using fragrance free everything: soap, lotion, laundry detergent, Neutrogena has the first two (look for "Fragrance Free"), I have been using Purex no dye, no fragrance

    Susi Alcott: _/!\_ to all

    Aurora Kitaj: Hi Susi,

    Aurora Kitaj: Nice to see you, come take a seat, we are talking

    Aurora Kitaj: about autism at the moment

    slack7639 Gigamon: also, to clean my glasses, i was using neutrogena's fragrance free glycerin soap, but, while my stinging eye sensation did decrease, it wasn't complete, and it sometimes left a streak - i read that you can use baking soda to clean glass, and found that yes, that is good to use to clean your glasses, you don't even need the glycerin soap

    Susi Alcott: brb

    slack7639 Gigamon: also, and EVA shower curtain is better than PVC, there is a lot less of an initial odor, and in a hot shower, the PVC is worse

    Arisia Vita: that's strange slack, I never thought about that, but I am sensitive to fragrances

    Auroras Graves: Hello Pema

    Aurora Kitaj: there is research that indicates that strong fragrences can cause depresssion

    Arisia Vita: Hi Pema

    slack7639 Gigamon: yes, i no longer have perpetual sniffles, sinus headache, bloodshot eyes, irritated roof of my mouth

    Aurora Kitaj: Hello Pema

    Susi Alcott: back

    Susi Alcott: hi Pema

    slack7639 Gigamon: Dove has an "unscented" soap, but once you take off the plastic, it smells just like the regular type

    Aurora Kitaj: I'm on a gluten free dairy free diet

    Susi Alcott: (rolls the lines)

    Aurora Kitaj: that really helps me

    Arisia Vita: not to me, and that's what I use

    slack7639 Gigamon: I quit drinking milk, i have lactose intolerance, so it fixes that, plus, milk is supposed to increase allergies i read

    Pema Pera: (sorry, rather heavy lag.... hi everybody!)

    slack7639 Gigamon: also, they put strange stuff in milk these days, some kind of hormones

    Zen Arado: there are so many environmental factors that might be harming our health and we dont know it

    Aurora Kitaj: Hello, just to check that every one who is new to Play as Being has noted the wiki... http://playasbeing.wik.is/

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello all:)

    slack7639 Gigamon: another thing to do is to get a fuller drain brush, and brush out your bathroom sink - mine had a thick membrane of black mold - imagin, u put your nose over that every morning

    Auroras Graves: Hello Scathach

    Aurora Kitaj: Hello there Scath

    Zen Arado: Hi Scath

    Zen Arado: Hi Pema

    Auroras Graves: dont they plan to use genetic profiling for intolarances within the next years ?

    Aurora Kitaj: and the fact that these conversations are recorded and go up on a wiki, so if you prefer not to have your name mentioned,

    slack7639 Gigamon: there is a 5" brush, which u can use to get the P-trap, u can also get the bathtup P-trap with it,

    Aurora Kitaj: please let me know so you can go as 'anonymous' on the record

    Aurora Kitaj: sack, we are certainly getting some useful tips on a wide range of things ;)

    slack7639 Gigamon: put a couple tablespoons of bleach in a 1 gal bucket of water, and run that down the drain

    slack7639 Gigamon: also, a bathroom sink has a lav pop-up - it collects mold, so i've thrown mine out, and replaced it with a 1-1/4" crumb cup - it's easy to remove for any time i want to use the brush, and it won't accumulate mold

    Aurora Kitaj: Please can I draw those who are new, to the Play as Being 'in a nutshell' to get a sense of what we are trying to acheive ..:) http://playasbeing.wik.is/Informatio..._in_a_Nutshell

    Pema Pera: Is anyone here for the first time?

    slack7639 Gigamon: me

    Auroras Graves: me too

    Auroras Graves: and reading the wiki :)

    Pema Pera: Welcome, Slack and Auroras!

    Aurora Kitaj: Play as Being is a playful shared adventure around the theme of Being. "Playing as Being" points to an exploration of reality. When we switch from what we have to what we are, what do we find? Roughly each quarter of an hour, we spend about nine seconds on this type of exploration (there are 900 seconds in 15 minutes, hence the 1% tax). During this time, take a full breath, relax, and focus on considering yourself as Being. Think of it as taking a 9-second moment, or a micromeditation, between tasks during your day. Don't get hung up on following the schedule -- any amount of this type of play is helpful. Play as Being was started by Second Life resident Pema Pera, and is run now with help from volunteers known as Guardians. You can read snippets from some of our daily discussion excerpts , and glimpse some examples of how the practice has changed our real life.

    Zen Arado: you can get hypochondriacal about these things though

    Zen Arado: Like Howard Hughes

    Auroras Graves: i see no-one named Moliere here :)

    Susi Alcott: (read)

    Susi Alcott: hi scath

    slack7639 Gigamon: nah, i don't hav the same thing he had, he grew up when they had polio or something, they had to be careful then

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hi Susi

    Zen Arado: Hi Susi

    Pema Pera: Hi there Susi

    slack7639 Gigamon: here's a good one from youtube, on the Human Body's Heat Plume, we all have this micro-atmosphere around us

    slack7639 Gigamon: Body Heat 0:01:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VraEsZK_iKs The Human Body's Heat Plume: (jonasrisen) Sometimes I forget that we live in an ocean of air. I take for granted that the open space in front of me, or filling our buildings, has a profound affect on my very existence. The gasseous medium we swim through affects thermal comfort, energy movement, and air quality through complex molecular interactions described most accurately by fluid dynamics models but that are relatively intangible on a daily basis. How amazing is it then to see that our bodies are in constant interaction with the air around us. To the atmosphere, the human body is a giant heat plume. The video below shows the human body as it heats the surrounding air. Watch as plumes of warm air rise from the head, face, shoulders, hands. As you watch think about how much heat our buildings shed into the environment when the inside temperature is maintained at 72°F and the exterior temperature is 32°F! ... http://greenlineblog.com/human-bod

    slack7639 Gigamon: has anyone seen this kind of thermal imaging before?

    Pema Pera: Good to see you again, Arisia! You're becoming a regular here quickly :)

    Pema Pera: Auroras, you like French literature, I take it?

    Aurora Kitaj: slack, I think the recorder is complaining because the text that you are including is too long ;)

    slack7639 Gigamon: 1 character it said

    Arisia Vita: I enjoy the company Pema

    Auroras Graves: not that much, i prefer the english humour to the french classics :)

    Pema Pera: :)

    slack7639 Gigamon: the scents in things are called 'volatile organic compounds,' or VOC, on the International Space Station, they can't have anything scented, because it's really hard to filter these out

    Arisia Vita: I have seen such images many times slack

    Aurora Kitaj: whilst I may not like them, wondering why they need to be filtered out?

    Aurora Kitaj: do they do damage?

    Auroras Graves: they might cause sicknesses or nausea ?

    Auroras Graves: smell is our oldest sense

    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, I would have thought sight was the oldest, never thought of smell:)

    Auroras Graves: i dont want to sound rude

    slack7639 Gigamon: when i laundered my sheets and comforters, that was a big improvement, when I quit using soap scum remover and replaced it with baking soda to clean the shower, that was another, and then using baking soda to clean my glasses, that was another - using the unscented glycerin as shampoo was another big improvement - (these are my experiences getting rid of scents, to get rid of headaches, sniffles, blood shot eyes, my theory is that maybe aspbergers or autism might benefit)

    Auroras Graves: but the way the sperm finds the egg is by smell

    Scathach Rhiadra: ah

    Zen Arado: I get scalp problems and suspect it is the ingredients in shampoos

    slack7639 Gigamon: yep

    Aurora Kitaj: someone told me that there are seven senses

    Aurora Kitaj: could those other 2 senses play a part

    Zen Arado: but they all seem to have the same chemicals in them

    slack7639 Gigamon: look up vids on youtube on MCS, multiple chemical sensitivities

    Aurora Kitaj: you are maybe onto something, but if we were to ask a chemist might he or she not say that this is not evidence based and not proven in research?

    Zen Arado: anybody know a way to wash your hair without using shampoo?

    slack7639 Gigamon: if you have problems relaxing, or hav uncontrollable anger, i theorize this could be an answer to that also

    slack7639 Gigamon: chemists and doctors have been paid off by the chemical companies to not say anything

    Zen Arado: it is so hard to prove any of this of course

    slack7639 Gigamon: The World According to Monsanto - Part 1 of 8 0:09:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hErvV5YEHkE (Roundup) The following documentary is a thorough, in-depth look at the history of one of the world's most dangerous and despised corporations and the serious issues swirling around genetically modified crops -- from the implications for biodiversity and personal health, to the corporate control of our food, and more.

    Aurora Kitaj: but does you theory have relevance to non autistic people slack

    Auroras Graves: yes, african soil for washing your hair, it is avaiable in some nature shops

    Zen Arado: thanks Auroras

    slack7639 Gigamon: i think so, yes, if u are unable to relax - maybe you have shortness of breath - maybe it's due to these VOC

    Auroras Graves: the Monsanto docu ? i thought i never got aired in the states, it was on TV half a year ago in Europe

    Auroras Graves: Hello Udge

    Udge Watanabe: evening all

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Udge!

    Arisia Vita: welcome Udge

    Zen Arado: Hi Udge

    Aurora Kitaj: Hello Udge ;)

    Aurora Kitaj: please take a seat

    slack7639 Gigamon: shortness of breath was one issue i wondered about at least 10 years ago - i wonder why i was forgetting to breath - with my changes, my conditioning is now changing

    slack7639 Gigamon: does anyone here feel like they have shortness of breath?

    Pema Pera: hi Udge!

    Auroras Graves: i am only noticing burning eyes when too much chemicals are in the air, along with headaches

    Pema Pera: h

    Auroras Graves: mostly at work with the printers and all...

    Pema Pera: (sorry, struggling with lag still :)

    slack7639 Gigamon: toner molecules?

    Auroras Graves: probably, yes

    Susi Alcott: hi Udge

    Zen Arado: air quality is improveing in some countries

    slack7639 Gigamon: an oral irrigator is good to get your gums feeling better also

    Zen Arado: but is getting very bad in others

    slack7639 Gigamon: especially the upper gumline, those nerves go right into the brain

    Zen Arado: Britain used to horrendous in Victorian times

    slack7639 Gigamon: something i want to learn about is where these nerve spots are on your head, maybe massaging those would help, idk

    Auroras Graves: knowing the meridians ?

    Pema Pera: If I may change the topic for a moment: Zen, if I may ask, have you had a chance to play with the kind of 9-seconds explorations that we describe on our web site http://playasbeing.wik.is/ ? I remember us talking about that last time I met, when you mentioned you hadn't yet looked at the web site

    Udge Watanabe: sorry, utterly laggy here. Hello Susi, scath, aurora, auroras, arisia, slack, hzen and pema :)

    Auroras Graves: like in TCM ?

    Zen Arado: um

    Auroras Graves: Hello again Udge :)

    Aurora Kitaj: :)

    Zen Arado: have been very busy this week

    Zen Arado: sorry

    Pema Pera: just curious :)

    Zen Arado: I have 3 meditation periods per day

    Zen Arado: 30 mins

    Zen Arado: do a lot of noticing thoughts there

    Pema Pera: when we get together here, we chat about many things, but the one thing we have in common is this 9-sec practice, and yes, it is rather different from longer periods

    Pema Pera: it may be interesting to compare

    Zen Arado: oh yes I know

    Pema Pera: many of us combine shorter and longer ones

    Scathach Rhiadra nods

    Susi Alcott: hi Udge

    Pema Pera: I myself have found it very difficult to "just be aware" a whole day long

    Pema Pera: even when sitting a few times a day for half an hour or longer

    Pema Pera: to have little reminders seems to work better, toward integration into daily life

    Zen Arado: I find I come back to myself more and more often the more I practice

    Zen Arado: especially if I have strong emotions

    Pema Pera: can you give an example?

    Zen Arado: I am noticing my jealousies and working with them at the moment

    Zen Arado: no one else here ever gets jealous ?

    Udge Watanabe: heh

    Aurora Kitaj: Yes for me :(

    Zen Arado: it is a form of anger I thnk

    Zen Arado: and resistance to what just is

    Auroras Graves: trying to spent more time with friends in the RL, the winter is getting everyone down around here

    Pema Pera: where is "here" Auroras?

    Zen Arado: why does winter get us down?

    slack7639 Gigamon: i have no jealousy

    Zen Arado: it is just a season?

    Auroras Graves: Switzerland, almost no sun for ages

    Zen Arado: maybe you don't notice it though ?

    Aurora Kitaj: seasonal affective disorder?

    Udge Watanabe: well, no, it is also a physiological response to changes in sunlight and temperature and humidity

    Zen Arado: slack?

    Zen Arado: that is my experience

    Zen Arado: as I meditate more

    Udge Watanabe: at laest in many parts of the world :)

    slack7639 Gigamon: um

    Auroras Graves: we are lacking Vitamin D and the hormones that our brains built when we are seeing light

    Udge Watanabe nods

    slack7639 Gigamon: can u give me an example? what are you jealous of?

    Auroras Graves: even a Buddist friend is at edge (and that is saying something)

    Zen Arado: so people in Norway are more depressed than people in Southern zones?

    Auroras Graves: they are using light therapy to simulate the natural spectrum of the sunlight

    Zen Arado: I lived in Australia for a long time and got depressed there too :)

    Auroras Graves: home sickness ?

    Zen Arado: oh Slack - that is a bit personal

    slack7639 Gigamon: can u make it general?

    Zen Arado: not others material things

    Zen Arado: people who have perfect health

    slack7639 Gigamon: yes, ic

    Aurora Kitaj: like a three piece suit?

    Zen Arado: who can rise from chairs without thinking about it

    Zen Arado: I have Muscular Dystrophy

    slack7639 Gigamon: you can look at it this way, they won't have it forever

    Udge Watanabe: wow, zen, I am sorry to hear that.

    Zen Arado: yes I knowit in my head

    Zen Arado: jealousy isnt reasonable though :)

    Zen Arado: just an example

    Aurora Kitaj: no but it's real

    slack7639 Gigamon: plus, there are all kinds of things that can get u

    Zen Arado: it doesnt bother me usually

    Pema Pera: that must be hard to live with, Zen

    Scathach Rhiadra nods

    Zen Arado: I manage

    Auroras Graves: Hello Adams

    Susi Alcott: hi Adams

    Aurora Kitaj: Hello Adams

    Adams Rubble: Hello Everyone :)

    Zen Arado: anyway it has ben proved that disability only affects happiness for a short time

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Adams

    Pema Pera: Hi Adams!

    Arisia Vita: Welcome Adams

    Zen Arado: we all have our problems

    Udge Watanabe: hello adams

    Zen Arado: Hi Adams

    Zen Arado: Alot of people jealous in the UK at the moment

    slack7639 Gigamon: for the past 20 years or so, i've had chronic sniffles, and headache, i never needed to have that :-(

    Zen Arado: at bankers who have given then selves huge pensions

    Zen Arado: for total incompetence

    slack7639 Gigamon: yes, how they get away with this amaze me

    Udge Watanabe nods

    Aurora Kitaj: yes, ppl running banks which have been nationalised, whilst laying off 1,000 of employees

    Arisia Vita: Jealous or angry?

    Aurora Kitaj: they take huge pensions

    Aurora Kitaj: bonuses

    slack7639 Gigamon: what goes up, must come down, unfortunately, i wonder what this behavior will bring about, probably a huge war

    Zen Arado: collective jealousy?

    Aurora Kitaj: I hope not slack

    slack7639 Gigamon: probably in 2 years

    slack7639 Gigamon: i hope not too

    Aurora Kitaj: armed with this knowledge, what in your view should we do to prevent such a thing happening?

    slack7639 Gigamon: not much u can do

    Zen Arado: so much conservatism in societies

    Auroras Graves: Obama cut the wages down to 500.000 dollars a year

    slack7639 Gigamon: pray it doesn't occur

    Auroras Graves: instead of x-millions

    Zen Arado: so hard to change anything

    Zen Arado: why do we put up with these high salaries?

    Adams Rubble: Change like this takes time; the US faced the exact same situation 100 or so years ago

    Aurora Kitaj: isn't war collective amnesia?

    Zen Arado: what do they need all that money for?

    Adams Rubble: all that has been chipped away

    slack7639 Gigamon: cause we hav no power, and our elected officials have been bought off by lobbyists

    Zen Arado: so much greed in the world

    Adams Rubble: now the protections just have to be put back in place

    Zen Arado: we should have a revoution :)

    slack7639 Gigamon: obama is the lobbyist in cheif

    Zen Arado: like Marx said

    Arisia Vita: Perhaps it's time for a radical change in the economy?

    Scathach Rhiadra: that has been tried before, didn't really work:)

    Zen Arado: but politicians only have so much power to change things too

    Zen Arado: public opinion goes against change

    Aurora Kitaj: Whatever you do, don't panic!

    Zen Arado: ha ha

    Auroras Graves: i need a towel.....

    Aurora Kitaj: Otherwise, we'll all be doomed

    Aurora Kitaj: yes

    Zen Arado: we all still want to drive cars

    Udge Watanabe: and have computers

    Arisia Vita: do we?

    slack7639 Gigamon: well, individually, we have no control over economic policies

    Scathach Rhiadra: the world is made up of people, if the people change themselves, will this not effect change in the wider world?

    Arisia Vita: I would just as soon not have to drive

    Zen Arado: personal convenience

    Arisia Vita: if there was a better alternative

    Zen Arado: more important than distant concerns

    Udge Watanabe: give it up then, arisia. Take the bus, or your bike.

    Auroras Graves: how would we get food and clothes and getting to work

    Zen Arado: society is structured around the car

    Aurora Kitaj: good question Auroras

    Zen Arado: especially in the US ?

    Arisia Vita: work from home?

    Adams Rubble: Some of us in US ride our bikes to work :)

    Zen Arado: stop flying too

    Udge Watanabe: mmhmm

    Arisia Vita: have items we want/need delivered?

    Auroras Graves: a guy from New York boasted that he can get everything where he lives, that he needs no farmer ....

    Arisia Vita: FedEx to our door, and work from home?

    Udge Watanabe: probably thinks that strawberries grow in boxes

    Adams Rubble: :)

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Auroras Graves: probably would have ended up growing tomatos in his window mold ?

    Auroras Graves: it works with mushrooms :)

    slack7639 Gigamon: what kind?

    Auroras Graves: my english fails me here... Champignions ?

    slack7639 Gigamon: are they good for you? they do not appear appetizing to me

    Auroras Graves: well, he is living in NY, so he should be used to toxics

    Udge Watanabe chuckles

    Adams Rubble: Sorry to run so soon after coming late but I am being called away. bye

    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Adams

    Pema Pera: bye Adams!

    Auroras Graves: bye Adams

    Zen Arado: bye Adams

    Udge Watanabe: byea dams

    Aurora Kitaj: This has been an incredibly wide ranging discussion tonight, I wondered whether in the last 10 minutes or so if anyone wanted to try and sum up what we've covered? I'm going to have hard task giving this discussion a title overwise ;)

    Aurora Kitaj: *otherwise

    Aurora Kitaj: bye adams

    Zen Arado: environmental topics and jealousy ?

    Aurora Kitaj: in one :) Thanks Zen

    Auroras Graves: the smell of life ?

    slack7639 Gigamon: scented products, mold, jealousy

    Aurora Kitaj: oh! Good one Auroras

    Zen Arado: future wars might be caused by Third world jealousy of our standard of living I thnik

    Aurora Kitaj: now, I'm completely lost, they're as good as each other :)

    Auroras Graves: the Scents of Today ?

    Zen Arado: ha ha

    Pema Pera: that's a nice one!

    Aurora Kitaj: masterful Auroras

    Aurora Kitaj: :)

    Auroras Graves: please stop, i just blushed !

    Udge Watanabe: :)

    Aurora Kitaj: :)

    Zen Arado: I will have to do this 9 second thing too

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Pema Pera: "Aurora and the Auroras"

    Aurora Kitaj: singular and plural

    Zen Arado: I am so disorganised

    Scathach Rhiadra: it will be well worth your while Zen:)

    Susi Alcott: I'm sorry for the call

    Udge Watanabe: bye susi, take care.

    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Susi

    Zen Arado: bye Susi

    Susi Alcott: _/!\_

    Auroras Graves: goodbye Susi, have a nice weekend

    Aurora Kitaj: Bye Susi thanks for coming along

    Pema Pera: bye Susi!

    Pema Pera: I'll have to take off to. Good seeing you all!

    Pema Pera: see you soon again

    Aurora Kitaj: bye Pema, thanks for coming along :)

    Zen Arado: bye Pema

    Udge Watanabe: bye pema, enjoy the day.

    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Pema

    Auroras Graves: Have a good time Pema

    slack7639 Gigamon: anyone here ever tried exfoliating with table salt?

    slack7639 Gigamon: it kill bacteria too

    Udge Watanabe frowns.

    Zen Arado: sorry no

    Zen Arado: used to be used on wounds

    Udge Watanabe: I use a cheesegrater like nature intended :)

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    slack7639 Gigamon: u can put some in a cup of warm water, and swish with it, to kill micro-organisms

    Zen Arado: for preserving meat

    Arisia Vita: Time for me to say bye for now, but hope to see you all again soon

    Scathach Rhiadra: it is good for sore throats

    slack7639 Gigamon: i came across something that said himalayan sallt is close to the same structure as in our bodies, which is different than table salt

    Auroras Graves: it is the same molecule ?

    Zen Arado: Bye Ariaia

    Aurora Kitaj: Thanks for coming along Ari, great to see you :)

    slack7639 Gigamon: something

    Udge Watanabe: bye arisia, take care.

    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Arisia

    Auroras Graves: it is late here too

    slack7639 Gigamon: u can google it, it's there

    Auroras Graves: may i wish everyone a good time ?

    Udge Watanabe: please, and thank you, and you too!

    Zen Arado: sure

    Aurora Kitaj: I shall be checking out all those links that you send Slack

    Auroras Graves: it has been a great time to be here, thank you all very much

    Scathach Rhiadra: I must go too, good night all, namasté:)

    Zen Arado: be Auroras

    Udge Watanabe: come back any time.

    Aurora Kitaj: Bye Auroras

    Aurora Kitaj: great to meet you

    Udge Watanabe: well, at 1, 7, 1, 7 :)

    Zen Arado: Bye Scathh

    Aurora Kitaj: please come again

    Aurora Kitaj: Bye Scath

    Aurora Kitaj: thanks for coming along

    slack7639 Gigamon: i think i ned to do a web page with this info, maybe it could help with other things, like gulf war syndrome

    Zen Arado: suppose I better go to

    Zen Arado: bye everyone

    Udge Watanabe: bye zen, bye scath

    slack7639 Gigamon: a lot of mysterious illness maybe cause by scents, voc

    slack7639 Gigamon: seems logical doesn't it?

    slack7639 Gigamon: we didn't have the kind of scents today 50 years ago

    Aurora Kitaj: actually I've heard this said by so many people independently that I would probably agree

    Aurora Kitaj: certainly needs to be more research in this area

    slack7639 Gigamon: wow, it's new to me! i've heard of it before, but didn't think i was affected

    Udge Watanabe: actually I too must be getting on. Nice meeting you Slack, and Aurora too :)

    Udge Watanabe: enjoy your saturdays

    slack7639 Gigamon: nice to meet u! tc

    Aurora Kitaj: Bye Udge

    Udge Watanabe: get those logs posted! ;-)

    Aurora Kitaj: nice to have met you

    Aurora Kitaj: Yes!!!!!

    Aurora Kitaj: says aurora guiltily

    Udge Watanabe: heheheheh

    Udge Watanabe: bfn

    Aurora Kitaj: I'm really pleased that you managed to make it Slack, you took the discussion off inways that we would never have thought about:)

    slack7639 Gigamon: i hav a tendency to talk about what i'm interested in, hope it worked out ok for this group

    Aurora Kitaj: Yes, it did, because pple were interested, even if they were sceptical

    slack7639 Gigamon: what's the conversation normally like?

    Aurora Kitaj: any how, hope u got the wiki, you are welcome to come along to any other sessions,

    Aurora Kitaj: 4 a day, eveyr day

    Aurora Kitaj: see on the wiki 1am 7am 1pm 7pm dly

    Aurora Kitaj: *slt

    slack7639 Gigamon: k

    Aurora Kitaj: I have to go now Slack, but nice to see you again, hopefully

    slack7639 Gigamon: yes!

    Aurora Kitaj: we can have a proper chat next time

    Aurora Kitaj: lol

    slack7639 Gigamon: k sounds good

    Aurora Kitaj: bye

    slack7639 Gigamon: laters tc

    Aurora Kitaj: see yo

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