2009.08.05 07:00 - Advocates of Awareness and Compassion

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.

    Part I- I arrived to find Nymf already at the pavillion. We discuss photography a bit, continuing a conversation. We are soon joined by Fael, Gaya, SophiaSharon, Sophia, and Hades. Sophia asks "What is a Bodhisattva?"

    Part II- Fael and I meet an artist "Sara" who then has an opportunity to meet Adams Dubrovna. Fael takes our new friend to the quickly developing shop:   http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nari/13/167/135 "Astral Blossom"

    Nymf Hathaway: Hello neighbour :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Nynf!
    Eliza Madrigal: ack... Nymf! :))
    Nymf Hathaway: :))) I knew who you meant :)
    Eliza Madrigal: What a beautiful job you've done there, btw
    Nymf Hathaway: well thank you :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I was sitting there a few nights ago...so lovely
    Nymf Hathaway: Please feel free, Pila would appreciate it :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh! And I thought of you at another point yesterday also... watching a YouTube with beautiful photography images
    Eliza Madrigal: one moment
    Eliza Madrigal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eK8Edl-Htg
    Nymf Hathaway: is looking :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Fael :)
    Fael Illyar: Hi Eliza, Nymf :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Some of the images there reminded me of the artwork you shared... vulnerable, touching
    Eliza Madrigal: (Nymf)
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Fael :)... was away and wow Eliza lovely film-music combi :)      

    Gaya arrives and stirs up a little excitement from the crowd...

    Fael Illyar: Hi Gaya :)
    Nymf Hathaway: Gaya...a lady :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Gaya ! :)
    Nymf Hathaway: I agree Eliza...it is
    Eliza Madrigal is encountering Gaya as non-bunny for the first time :)
    Fael Illyar smiles 'You look great, Gaya.'
    Nymf Hathaway: wow Gaya...you look lovely
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello everyone :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, very :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thank you. ah yes, some of you haven't seen my human AV.
    Nymf Hathaway: Worth a picture!
    Eliza Madrigal: YES
    Eliza Madrigal: will do :)


    Above: Fael, Eliza, Nymf, Gaya(!), and SophiaSharon :) This picture does not do justice, but gives the viewer a glimpse.

    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Sharon :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon!
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI all :))
    Fael Illyar: Hi Sharon :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Fael Illyar: Ah, great outfit, Sharon :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello SophiaSharon :)
    Eliza Madrigal: (Will someone lower the fountain for me please?)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (thank you)
    Eliza Madrigal: SophiaSharon, yes you look gorgeous darling :)
    Eliza Madrigal: (Thank you)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: how nice to see you Gaya :) I have never seen you in a human avi
    Nymf Hathaway: :))) she will hear that a lot :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: oh thank you :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: It shows how many more lovely friends I've met over last few months :)
    Fael Illyar smiles 'I'm happy for that.'
    Eliza Madrigal: What a nice thing to say, Gaya :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks I'm happy too :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    We begin to settle in...      

    Eliza Madrigal: Okay, so who arrived with a topic? Come clean. :)
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Fael Illyar: Hi sophia :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI sophia :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sophia! :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello sophia :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Wow, a nice big group today :)
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Sophia :)
    sophia Placebo: hi :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Sophia, any games for us today? :)
    sophia Placebo: didnt think of one nor cross one lately unfortunatly
    Eliza Madrigal: :) the cake game was fun
    sophia Placebo: hehe yes it was
    sophia Placebo: Gaya ! a woman
    sophia Placebo: nice new ava ^^
    Nymf Hathaway: yes and how feminen :)))
    Gaya Ethaniel: :) Thank you sophia.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Everyone looks lovely today :)

    A wonderful topic is presented...       

    SophiaSharon Larnia: I've been thinking about what a bodhisattva is, wondering if anyone has any thoughts about it.
    Fael Illyar smiles 'Yes, everyone does look lovely today.'
    Eliza Madrigal: Lovely topic!
    Eliza Madrigal: What do you think, SophiaSharon?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, to me a bodhisattva is an enlightened being that is a way shower
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but what does that mean, to be a way show-er, and to where does this one point to
    Fael Illyar: the pathless path :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ah yes, therein lies the rub
    sophia Placebo: like to be a leader or a guider?
    Eliza Madrigal: :) yes, that resonates with me also
    Gaya Ethaniel: I think compassion is key in understanding bodhisattvas, not just Avalokiteshvara.

    In Buddhism, Avalokiteshvara is the embodiment of compassion...

    Fael Illyar: how to not assume there is a path but still walk :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: In all traditions there are stories of people who had reached a place where they were empty of suffering (?) and there is a determination to 'stay' to help others, and yes...compassion

    A very dramatic Hades arrives...       

    Fael Illyar: Hello Hades :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Hades
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Hades :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Hades
    Hades Nostram: Hello all ..how are you ?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Hades :)
    sophia Placebo: hi hades
    Fael Illyar: I'm well :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hades, I believe you've been here before? And understand that we record our chats?
    Hades Nostram: I have been here a couple of times now.. i am aware all we do is recorded :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Great
    SophiaSharon Larnia: cool entrance Hades lol
    Eliza Madrigal: yes quite


    SophiaSharon Larnia: can you say more Gaya?
    Fael Illyar: yes, you shrunk quite a bit :)
    Hades Nostram: :) Thanks... had some trouble navigating... i am happy it looked cool :P
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sure :)
    Gaya Ethaniel pulls together a sentence ...
    Hades Nostram: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: In the doctrines, they are described as being those obtained nirvana and are beyond birth/death.
    Gaya Ethaniel: But chose to be born again to help.
    Gaya Ethaniel: In practice ... I think we all are and can at least start pretending to be one.
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: It is helpful to look at the Bodhisattva vows
    Gaya Ethaniel: Like prayers in Christian practices, metta meditation ... volunteering and so on, will shift something within, re: self in Buddhist context.
    sophia Placebo: vows?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Compassion leads towards that I think.
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, beginning with "Beings are numberless, I vow to free them"
    Eliza Madrigal: You begin to take vows that are impossible, really, from an unenlightened perspective
    Eliza Madrigal: a paradox
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes it's like keeping in the seeming impossible levels of ethics discussed by Kant.
    Eliza Madrigal: Vows of great compassion
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the barriers seem insurmountable
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, mountains
    Eliza Madrigal: For me this opens a little of what Jesus and other great masters say also, about moving mountains... impossible!
    Eliza Madrigal: *were saying
    Gaya Ethaniel: That doesn't stop one trying :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: a mountain like a molehill :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe Gaya :)

    Tasting compassion...

    Gaya Ethaniel: It's a bit like dancing.
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, taking vows like that is stepping on an edge
    Gaya Ethaniel: Or playing an instrument ...
    Eliza Madrigal: YES, beautiful
    Fael Illyar: Of course we can move a mountain... it'll just take some time :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: One learns the moves and music ... these practices lead to acquire muscle knowledge and hand/eye coordination ... much like prostrations Solo mentions. We almost blindly learn to do it.
    sophia Placebo: we would need to melt it
    Gaya Ethaniel: Once learnt ... then we can really experience it ... we can really be compassionate while praying.
    sophia Placebo: then moving it wouldnt be hard
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel: So ... I think that's why regular practices are often asked for even without full understanding on the participant's part.

    Layers of cake and awareness...       

    Eliza Madrigal: This is reminding me of the cake. What would you do if the mountain was in front of you?
    Eliza Madrigal nods to Gaya
    Eliza Madrigal: Thus, faith.. faith in an alive, active sense
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, you would need others to help you
    SophiaSharon Larnia: brb
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, in the imagery, there is the king, the boatman, and the shephard, are they all enlightened? consciously? Or do they operate under a veil? Is this a moot question, as we all operate under this veil?
    Eliza Madrigal: Go on SophiaSharon?
    Hades Nostram: Can you clarify your thought Sophia ?
    Gaya Ethaniel listens.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: is a way shower just enabling others to become aware of who they are, so hard to say it
    Fael Illyar: yes :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Sure, I think that fits
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)

    I remembered Isen Enso's way of talking about the Bodhisattva Vows...       

    Eliza Madrigal: I found a snippet from a talk Isen Enso gave in SL, and I like the way he talks about the vows:
    [18:05] Isen Enzo: 'the Bodhisattva vows'

    Isen Enzo: they go- 'beings are numberless, I vow to free them' ; 'delusions are inexhaustable, I vow to end them' ; 'Reality is boundless, I vow to to percieve it' ; ' the awakened way is unsurpassable, I vow to embody it.'

     [18:07] Isen Enzo: a bodhisattva, as you know is a sort of advocate of awareness/enlighhtenment

    SophiaSharon Larnia: even though i take this on trust, that it is what it is
    Eliza Madrigal: an advocate... a friend whose very presence opens a door
    Gaya Ethaniel nods ... the 'quiet' determination ...
    Hades Nostram: I only see the paralel that those 3 man all have to care for some one /else ... The King, his people, The boatman, his passengers and the shepperd, his sheeps :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, yes... all looking out too
    Hades Nostram: Besides the level of their awarness :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Have you ever been around someone who just sitting with, you are energized by?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: a king help himself, and others by association, a boatman ferries others and himself, too, a shephard has no benefit to himself, but stay to help others, that is how i read it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes I have Eliza
    sophia Placebo: lovely vows
    Eliza Madrigal: They could say "Hello" and you are clearer. heh
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hahah
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, see your imagery better now
    Hades Nostram: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (and does this matter? prob not)
    Eliza Madrigal: Sure, if that picture speaks to you there is something to hear. :D
    Eliza Madrigal: Maybe about stages of awareness and compassion?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe :)

    In Presence, Being...


    Hades Nostram: Many think they are aware but they are not aware enought to see that they are not...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i have felt this energy in real life, in people who did not know they were exuding this, and didn't think they were 'spiritual' people
    Gaya Ethaniel: Or ... all speak only if I open myself up to listen to it ... takes practice :)
    sophia Placebo: simple poeple :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I've heard some buddhist teachers refer to Mother Teresa as a bodhisattva, and she struggled to ''feel god' while she was serving humanity
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes sophia, a peacefulness somehow
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh wow Gaya, YES :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Some are more obvious or congenial to me I'm sure :)
    sophia Placebo: yes peace fron within
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i have also felt the opposite
    sophia Placebo: totally agree sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: from others

    Oh darn, missed the chance to tell my inappropriate cat story again (reference to group email)...       

    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm interested to learn not to draw lines of this is nice and that is gross.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ive felt that here, too, weird as it sounds
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Gaya
    Eliza Madrigal: Doesn't sound strange to me SophiaSharon
    Gaya Ethaniel: Gross ... something to see in gross too if I don't turn away.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiels
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles* even

    Fael paints a picture for us, and we consider...       

    Fael Illyar: not everyone is able to handle what you radiate, yourself. Equally, you're not able to handle everything someone else might radiate.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Not sure what you mean Fael. Please say more?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: very true Fael, i've had to consciously encase myself in an either protective or radiating light :)
    Fael Illyar: take radiate as a very general term there :)
    Fael Illyar: it could mean body language, sounds we make and can sense but not know it...
    Fael Illyar: expressions
    Fael Illyar: all kinds of little things
    Hades Nostram: I agree Fael..
    sophia Placebo: yes
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: It is said that if one wants to know how enlightened they are, go visit family for a week ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol Eliza
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal: thinking that at some point there is no difference between good/bad/ugly/beautiful... all can be appreciative portals :)
    Fael Illyar: it works :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm still not sure but I guess you mean Fael some aren't ready to face 'gross'.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Start small I guess.
    Fael Illyar: it's the age old 'opposites attract, and the same repel'
    Fael Illyar forgot the opposite for ... umm opposites.
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: heh
    Gaya Ethaniel: Being ... is not a mere sum of all these.
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, you mean more essential, Gaya?
    Fael Illyar: yes, it's no sum, it's all of them.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Not just more essential ... no
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    Gaya Ethaniel: It includes all but more ... the dimension of Being is greater? Not sure how to express it.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Greater, different ... not sure yet :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I like that even when we cannot express ourselves eloquently here, we can get a sense of meaning
    Eliza Madrigal: I felt full when you wrote that, though my mind didn't see what you're saying :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: I guess it's much like times when I can't see boundaries of things.

    This seemed to be where we'd arrived...

    Eliza Madrigal: Remember the poem Pema posted a few months ago? A True Master?
    Fael Illyar: would you repeat it here?
    sophia Placebo: i have to leave , bye all ,thanks for the nice chat !
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye sophia :)
    Fael Illyar: See you later sophia :) have fun!
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Sophia! Am looking forward to Satrdday!
    Nymf Hathaway: Have a nice day Sophia :)
    Hades Nostram: Bye Sophia :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye sophia :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Good to see you as always
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay, the poem:

    As Rinzai said:

    ``In this five-foot lump of red flesh there is a true person of no rank always coming in and going out; if you have not seen it yet, see it now!'' . . . It is always coming and going in and out of our body.

    When it goes out, if we see a flower, we become a flower; when we hear a beautiful bird's song, we become a singing bird. When we go within, we are hungry, sleepy, hot, and cold. There is a true master like that within each of us.

    We see a river and we are flowing without pause. We see the sky full of stars and we become it all. We dive into the suffering of all people, into society's miseries. Within this is a true person of no rank.

    Shodo Harada (1940 -- )

    Gaya Ethaniel: Thank you Eliza :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Especially the last few lines stir up what it means to be compassionate?
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Nymf Hathaway: Needs to log off as well, wishing everyone a good time and thanks for the thoughts :)
    Fael Illyar: See you later Nymf :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Nymf :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Nymf :) Nice to see you
    Fael Illyar: have fun, you too :)

    A reminder from Gaya...

    Gaya Ethaniel: "All people" includes oneselves.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Nymf :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh Gaya, yes indeed it does
    Gaya Ethaniel: It's easy to forget not to include us in that picture.
    Eliza Madrigal nods vigorously
    Fael Illyar: Yes, very easy... very easy to think you're not in the picture.
    Eliza Madrigal: which is another way of separating ourselevs...
    Eliza Madrigal: which certainly undermines intention to compassion
    Eliza Madrigal: makes it impossible
    Gaya Ethaniel: Time to head back to RL. Nice to seeing you all again :) Enjoy your day.
    Fael Illyar: it's a way to shield yourself when the picture becomes too scary...
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Gaya :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Gaya :)
    Hades Nostram: I also have some duties... have a nice evening night or day!
    Fael Illyar: See you later Gaya :) have fun!
    Hades Nostram: Bye :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Bye Hades
    Fael Illyar: See you later Hades :) have fun!
    Eliza Madrigal: (Bye hades)

    Judging ourselves...

    Eliza Madrigal: Say more Fael? About the last line you wrote?
    Fael Illyar: If you're not in the picture, you can't judge yourself for the picture...
    Eliza Madrigal: Ahhh
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so if you think you are less than others, this is seperating yourself too
    Eliza Madrigal: abdicating responsibility
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Comparisons should break down in the presence of compassion, perhaps?
    Fael Illyar: Yes :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles, good thought
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i need to log off too :) Bye Eliza and Fael :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye SophiaSharong... will be on later?
    Fael Illyar: See you later Sharon :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: probably :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Bye for now

    Light from a forgotten corner of the room...

    Fael Illyar: yet, we only remove ourselves from the picture when we are judging ourselves too harshly.
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, a funny line isn't it Fael?
    Fael Illyar: yes :)
    Fael Illyar: that's why being judgemental blinds us.
    Eliza Madrigal: Stim said once "We are blind to our blindness"
    Eliza Madrigal: Wow, I'm quoting a lot today...
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm :)
    Fael Illyar: yes :)
    Fael Illyar: the only blindness that sticks is one that we are blind to :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes!!
    Eliza Madrigal: When we see it, seeing is enough
    Eliza Madrigal: Or not *it* just "Seeing is enough"
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Fael Illyar: and there is no not seeing :P
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Eliza Madrigal: what a relief!
    Fael Illyar: Huge energies afoot today :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes!
    Eliza Madrigal: I was a mess last night... absolute mess. heheh
    Eliza Madrigal: This morning it seems as though that was just stirring to prepare ground
    Fael Illyar: Masks are being shed... all over
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: shedding superficialities
    Fael Illyar: It's funny how these things happen so synchronously :)
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: Which brings up the ' collective ' ?
    Fael Illyar: Yes :)
    Fael Illyar: The entity, formed by ... hmm, not necessarily all people but many
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm
    Fael Illyar: not just a sum of it's parts :)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles... lots of nice thoughts about this

    Part II - A new artist friend, and Dubrovna's perfect timing :)       

    Fael Illyar: Hello Susan :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Susan :)
    susan Zunimoor: Hi e
    Eliza Madrigal: Beautiful wings!
    Fael Illyar: beautiful clothes too :)
    susan Zunimoor: Hi Eliza
    Fael Illyar: Hello Susan :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Susan :)
    susan Zunimoor: Hi e
    Eliza Madrigal: Beautiful wings!
    Fael Illyar: beautiful clothes too :)
    susan Zunimoor: Hi Eliza
    susan Zunimoor: thank u

    Eliza Madrigal: yes, a gorgeous play of color
    susan Zunimoor: Hi Fael
    Eliza Madrigal: Susan, have you been to Play as Being before now?
    susan Zunimoor accepted your inventory offer.
    susan Zunimoor: no
    Eliza Madrigal: The card I've given you has a link to the wiki. We record our chats, which you should know.
    Eliza Madrigal: If you are not comfortable with that though, just ask and I'll edit :)
    susan Zunimoor: ok
    Eliza Madrigal: The centerpiece of our time here are the pauses... a way to cultivate a pattern of stopping on a regular basis
    Eliza Madrigal: pausing :)


    Fael Illyar: Hi Adams :(
    Fael Illyar: :)
    susan Zunimoor: i speak french and a little speak in english
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams :)
    Fael Illyar is typoing the parenthesis a bit too much.
    Eliza Madrigal: "Bonjour" then, susan :)
    Adams Dubrovna: hello Eliza and fael and Susan :)
    susan Zunimoor: Bonjour Adams
    Adams Dubrovna: I think i met you at zazen the other night susan :)
    Eliza Madrigal: We talked quite a bit about compassion earlier today, which bround us to considering what separates 'us' from 'the world', which brought us to synchronicities and 'the collective'! :)
    Adams Dubrovna: whoops, I wasn't there as me
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Fael Illyar: Yes, this meeting went all over the place :)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, and in grand PaB style. hah
    Eliza Madrigal: susan, you're rather new to SL I see. How do you like it so far?

    Susan is French, and the recorder does not pick up her translator. Thankfully, I record chats!        

    susan Zunimoor: jj'aime beaucoup sauf que je n'ai pas encore trouvé un endroit ou un groupe pour discuter des arts
    susan's translator: jj'aime much except that I have not yet found a place or group to discuss the arts
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah!
    Eliza Madrigal: What a coincidence!
    Eliza Madrigal: What type of arts are you interested in, Susan?
    Adams Dubrovna has a technical problem
    Adams Dubrovna: whew (psted in a complete log from another meeting)
    susan Zunimoor: Je suis peintre dans la RL et je m'intéresse à tout ce qui touche l'art contemporain
    susan's translator: I am a painter in the RL and I am interested in anything that affects contemporary art
    Adams Dubrovna: I am an art historian and we have an art history workshop that meets once a month
    Eliza Madrigal: I have a notecard which gives a little information about the workshop.. one moment
    Adams Dubrovna: On August 21 we are going to have a presentation of the work of the Performance Artist Orlan
    susan Zunimoor: wow ça m'intéresse vivement
    susan's translator: wow I'm interested strongly
    Adams Dubrovna: There is a group called "At History"
    susan Zunimoor accepted your inventory offer.
    Adams Dubrovna: There are many artist activities in second life
    susan Zunimoor: je suis enchantée de vous rencontrer
    susan's translator: I am delighted to meet you
    Eliza Madrigal: As are we to meet you susan :)
    Adams Dubrovna: I would suggest you look up Dan Yapungku who is a Dutch or Belgian artist
    Adams Dubrovna: He knows the art scene very well
    susan Zunimoor: merci je prends bonne note
    susan's translator: thank you I note
    Adams Dubrovna: There is another workshop called "Spirit of the Senses" that visits many artists but they use voice chat

    Eliza Madrigal: I think if you join the kira group susan, you will get notices for both Art History and Spirit of the Senses, as well as others you might like :)
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    Adams Dubrovna: Now I know one reason I felt the urge to stop by :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Funny, that
    susan Zunimoor: merci beaucoup
    susan's translator: thank you very much
    Adams Dubrovna: But I don;t understand what you mean by the synchronicities and the collective
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm. When we are aware that we are not separate, it seems to allow a bit of energy in...
    Eliza Madrigal: when we talk about these things, we get stirred up :)
    Eliza Madrigal: We were talking about how bodhisattvas take vows not to separate from the world's suffering, in a sense, though they are enlightened
    susan Zunimoor: Ça me fait un grand bien de penser que je ne suis pas seule
    susan's translator: It makes me a great good to think that I am not alone
    Adams Dubrovna: yes susan
    Adams Dubrovna: and yes Eliza
    susan Zunimoor: Lorsque l'on crée, cela se fait dans la solitude le plus souvent
    susan's translator: When you create, this is done in solitude most often
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: What is your experience of creating, susan?
    susan Zunimoor: J'écris de la poésie et peintre depuis une vingtaine d'années
    susan's translator: Writing of poetry and painting for twenty years
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, wonderful :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Do you have a particular subject matter you are fond of?
    Eliza Madrigal: Maybe a funny question
    susan Zunimoor: J'introduis l'écriture dans ma peinture
    susan's translator: I say writing in my painting
    susan Zunimoor: l'écriture devient un motif pictural
    susan's translator: writing becomes a pictorial motif
    Eliza Madrigal: Will you be exhibiting in SL eventually do you think?
    Eliza Madrigal: Sounds very interesting
    Fael Illyar: have you thought to draw things for creating things in SL?
    susan Zunimoor: Je ne sais pas comment cela se fait
    susan's translator: I do not know how this is done
    Eliza Madrigal: yes it might take time to learn the particulars but SL is a wonderful sharing medium
    Adams Dubrovna: As you see more work of other artists, you will get ideas of ways it can be done
    susan Zunimoor: Alors on peut importer des images qu'on a produites?
    susan's translator: Then you can import images have been produced?
    Eliza Madrigal smiles...now we are surrounded by sheltering wings, Adams :)
    Fael Illyar: yes, you can upload images :)
    Adams Dubrovna: Some people show pictures of the RL work, some create in SL

    I've admired Fael's talent and only recently learned of items for sale on SL....

    Fael Illyar: I've made these wings I'm wearing now myself.
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to think "What is missing is ____, and just make it!"
    Fael Illyar: Yes :)

    Fael Illyar: almost everything you see in SL is created by another user.
    Fael Illyar: anyone can create.
    Eliza Madrigal: In my 1st life picture, is the only painting I've done that I personally am inspired by... was like getting completely absorbed, doing that
    Eliza Madrigal: it is fuzzy 
    Eliza Madrigal: but the process teaches one a lot
    Fael Illyar: I like it :) 
    susan Zunimoor: Attends je regarde
    susan's translator: Wait I look
    Eliza Madrigal: thank you Fael :)
    Adams Dubrovna: I am much distracted and need to leave you all
    susan Zunimoor: C'est tres beau le flou est intéressant, les actions non-voulues ont un pgrand potentiel
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Adams :)
    Fael Illyar: See you later Adams :)
    Adams Dubrovna: Good to see you Fael and Eliza and nice to meet you susan :)
    Fael Illyar: have fun Adams :)
    Eliza Madrigal: (missed the translation for your last sentence susan ...didn't show up. Odd
    susan Zunimoor: au revoir
    susan's translator: bye
    susan Zunimoor: ok je reprend
    susan's translator: ok I resumed
    Adams Dubrovna is Offline
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks :)
    susan Zunimoor: je disais que ton desin est très beau
    susan's translator: I said that your desin is beautiful
    Eliza Madrigal: We talk quite a bit about appreciation sometimes, and artists have a real understanding...
    Eliza Madrigal: getting into something and dwelling.... experiecing totally
    Eliza Madrigal: I've often admired how you think of something and jump right in, Fael... in an immediate way. SL allows us develop that quality too !
    susan Zunimoor: Mais peut-on placer ses dessins dans une galerie sur SL
    susan's translator: But can we put his drawings in a gallery in SL
    Fael Illyar: It happens sometimes but not always :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, you can certainly do that susan!

    Eliza Madrigal: There was a NYTimes article a few years ago, about an artist/gallery owner
    Eliza Madrigal: who used SL brilliantly
    Eliza Madrigal: to grow his business here and in RL
    Eliza Madrigal: let me see ....
    Eliza Madrigal: one moment
    Eliza Madrigal: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/magazine/08fluno-t.html
    Eliza Madrigal: "Portrait of an Avatar"
    susan Zunimoor: ok je regarde
    susan's translator: I look ok
    Eliza Madrigal: It is a long article... best to wait for later perhaps
    Eliza Madrigal: but very interesting
    susan Zunimoor: ok je prend l,adresse
    susan's translator: ok I shall l, e
    Eliza Madrigal: Many visual people seem drawn to Second Life... a natural fit
    Eliza Madrigal: Sharing work is another way to stir the energies :)
    Eliza Madrigal sounds a bit flaky when she uses phrases like that... but trusts others know what she means ;-D
    susan Zunimoor: oui je suis d,accord
    susan's translator: yes I am in agreement
    susan Zunimoor: Cela crée un esprit d'atelier
    susan's translator: This creates a spirit of workshop
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, a spirit of exploration and sharing
    Eliza Madrigal: So nice
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm going to have to go for a bit. My girls are buzzing about a concert last night and I've not talked to them yet :)
    Fael Illyar: Have fun Eliza :)
    Fael Illyar: See you later :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now Fael, you have fun too :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Susan and a pleasure to meet you.
    Eliza Madrigal: We are here at 1,7,1, 7... Well, not the same people but pleasant ones nonetheless
    susan Zunimoor: Au revoir et merci pour cette agréable conversation
    susan's translator: Goodbye and thank you for this pleasant conversation
    Eliza Madrigal: I hope to see you again. Bye for now :)
    susan Zunimoor is Online

    And where one can find me later this evening... Fael's Shop! http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nari/13/167/135

    Fael Illyar: I have a small shop that I've been slowly building.
    Fael Illyar: I sell some things there that I've made.
    Fael Illyar: Would you like to take a look?
    susan Zunimoor: oui j,aimeraisbien
    Fael Illyar: Ok, moment please :)
    Fael Illyar: That will take you there, I'll follow :)

    Fael Illyar: I have a small shop that I've been slowly building.
    Fael Illyar: I sell some things there that I've made.
    Fael Illyar: Would you like to take a look?
    susan Zunimoor: oui j,aimeraisbien
    Fael Illyar: Ok, moment please :)
    Fael Illyar: That will take you there, I'll follow :)

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