2009.08.18 19:00 - Flourish, Middle, Edge

The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.

Eos Amaterasu: Hi Doug!

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doug Sosa: hi.
doug Sosa: i didn't type boo, don't know where that came from !
doug Sosa: ah, i was typing jestures fifteen minutes ago :)
Eos Amaterasu: Crashed
doug Sosa: hurry back.
doug Sosa: that was quick.
doug Sosa: hm.
Eos Amaterasu: lots of lag, but a little better now
Eos Amaterasu: Does the 9 secs have a life of its own?
doug Sosa: i ile your profile.
doug Sosa: hi pem
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Pema
Pema Pera: Hi Doug and Eos!
Eos Amaterasu: thnx Doug
doug Sosa: Storm has been standing outside twitching for over 24 hours. What's up?
Pema Pera: a ghost avatar -- he is not logged in
doug Sosa: Hmm, wonders exceed expectations :)
Pema Pera: Hi Paradise!
doug Sosa: i love the way you walk across the grass :)
Paradise Tennant: hiya pema doug eos :))
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Pari!
Paradise Tennant: :))
Paradise Tennant: how is everyone tonight ?
Eos Amaterasu: I like that: wonders exceed expectations
Pema Pera: enjoying life in Paradise, also known as California :)
doug Sosa: I am going to a late dinner with a coop here called magic. green for sustainabuility, etc.
Paradise Tennant: nice!
Pema Pera: Hi Dakini!
Dakini Rhode: hi :-)
doug Sosa: never met them except one, a civil engineer from one of the little pacific islands.
Eos Amaterasu: Soon to be in California for a few days... just picked up may son from camp - where he was left alone in the woods for a night :-)
Paradise Tennant: hello dakini ;)
Eos Amaterasu: HI Daki!
doug Sosa: :)
Pema Pera: I hope he is okay, Eos!
doug Sosa: Fiji.
Pema Pera: intentionally left alone?
Eos Amaterasu: Oh yes, he's fine!
doug Sosa: I saw the smile, good for son, good for parent.
Eos Amaterasu: Yes, part of a rite of passage sort of thing
Eos Amaterasu: being alone in the forest/wilderness is special, or can be
Paradise Tennant: :))
doug Sosa: Dakini, makes me think I wish i could do with my mind what you do with your skirt. Let it flow out and then seek down of its oen accord.
doug Sosa: own
Dakini Rhode: doug, what a sweet metaphor and wishing i could do the same with my mind :-)
Paradise Tennant: :)
Eos Amaterasu: being with flourish
Paradise Tennant: swish even :)
Eos Amaterasu: settling of its own

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Pema Pera: :)
Dakini Rhode: in SL it's said the prim has a "flexible path", maybe our minds can take a flexible path also
Paradise Tennant: :)
doug Sosa: prim?
Paradise Tennant: our minds are maleable indeed
Dakini Rhode: ah the basic building blocks of construction in this world
Paradise Tennant: yes!
doug Sosa: and what are our flexible maleable minds doing now, he wonders?
doug Sosa: i can feel our collective 1000 horsepower minds going but we purr along like sleepy kittens
Dakini Rhode: haha
Paradise Tennant: yes
Eos Amaterasu: we're such good maleable makers that we identify with the fruits of our projections
doug Sosa: example?
Eos Amaterasu: these avatar bodies are a great example of that
Eos Amaterasu: but also our so-called RL minds, feelings, perceptions, bodies
doug Sosa: I've been wondering if people identify with their avatars,or treat them as costunmes and masks.
Dakini Rhode: lol yes, how often do we use the word "I" in reference to our avatars?
Paradise Tennant: yes thoughts positive and negative manifest in our physical world
doug Sosa: Do most want to be known through their avatar, or hide?
Eos Amaterasu: ?
doug Sosa: Is the avatar a "not" "or a "this is really me".
Dakini Rhode: doug, do you mean the avatar appearance, as you need an avatar as a vehicle in SL, can't be here without one
doug Sosa: i messed that last sentence. In the avatar we need to be here, do i construct it to hide who I am or to reveal who i am?
Paradise Tennant: we define our selves by our choices .. always an interesting study ..
Eos Amaterasu: I feel I am being, in all dimensionalities, through and in my avatar
Eos Amaterasu: just like I be in RL: I can talk of my body there
Paradise Tennant: blinks
Eos Amaterasu: A friend of mine says that in SL you meet people from the inside out
Paradise Tennant: ;)
Pema Pera: :-)
Eos Amaterasu: I am meeting Doug here :-)
doug Sosa: inside out?
Paradise Tennant: unconfined by their rl physical .. economic .. even emotional constraints ?
Eos Amaterasu: I think maybe after a while you might be able to say that - I don't know
Eos Amaterasu: (to Doug)

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doug Sosa: we all weigh 250 poubds, dirt poor and broken hearted.. :)
Paradise Tennant: :) we all choose to bring our awarenss our prescence here .. to share our thoughts . our questions.. our wonder.. together .. that much .. I am sure is totally correct ..
Paradise Tennant: :)
Eos Amaterasu: we share the 90 secs
Eos Amaterasu: as well as 840 secs
doug Sosa: I once led a workshop, and we took the risk to talk about "what do we really believe, who are our gods, our cosmologies?" After the meeting as we were leaving..
doug Sosa: one of the participants said, "this is the best meeting we have ever had..
Eos Amaterasu: That's a good one
doug Sosa: "we know each other so much less well than when we came in!"
Paradise Tennant: so what do you really believe doug?
doug Sosa: That we always start in the middle, end in the midddle, all things are real, and being good to each other is important. I start there.
Paradise Tennant: lol nope some of us are edgy :))
Dakini Rhode: i'm not sure what is meant by the middle, doug
doug Sosa: we alwasy come in in the middle. we never catch a beginning. That is because beginnings are too small to notice, even for the best meditator.
Dakini Rhode: wondering if a good meditator is able to catch the middle
Paradise Tennant: and never the end ?
doug Sosa: By the end it is already well into the next beginning.
doug Sosa: the middle? i think it can be caught.
Eos Amaterasu: there are whole traditions of playing the middle, the middle way, and never catching the middle
Eos Amaterasu: but I hear Doug saying that we start out already "in the world", in being
doug Sosa: Yes. I think we need to ride waves we only partially understand, but we can exerience tham fully according to our nature.
Dakini Rhode: i think i understand better what you meant :-)
Paradise Tennant: still blinking
doug Sosa: The thing is, to not end up like the peson in jail who wants to spend time recalling what happened and has to say..
doug Sosa: i wish i had paid more attention so i could recall better."
doug Sosa: spend
Eos Amaterasu: paying attention now..... beginnnings are not just temporal....
Dakini Rhode: hey Don :-)
Pema Pera: Hi Donyod!
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Donyo, we sit here and talk about the nature of being
Eos Amaterasu: Ah!
Donyodgrubpa Magic: Hello
doug Sosa: and you are a wonderful example :)
Pema Pera: We get together a few times a day to chat about the nature of reality, and everything else, and we have a wiki http://playasbeing.wik.is/ -- We record our conversations there. Do you mind being included in our blogs,Donyodgrubpa?
Donyodgrubpa Magic: ok
Pema Pera: tnx!

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Paradise Tennant: emotionally I think we can tune in the beginnings and ending.. the edges. our emotions are at times a more accurate filter ..
doug Sosa: if we look at experience don't beginnings have "before"s?
Paradise Tennant: depends on the experience no ?
Eos Amaterasu: we're as much in the big bang now as billions of years ago
Eos Amaterasu: experience can arise fresh
Eos Amaterasu: even if you've seen pink lotus flowers in fountains before :-)
doug Sosa: we could try one, but gad, I'll need to leave for my dinner in a few minutes :(
Pema Pera: :)
Pema Pera: try a big bang ?
doug Sosa: my reation to the new pink. Flamingoes, tiaras in circusus, it hides the peson on the other side (no one there now).. all are thee when the fountain begins.
doug Sosa: not fountain, pink.
Dakini Rhode: bubblegum and cherry blossoms
doug Sosa: the pink came from fael's imagineation before it was here, and her imagination, working with stuf that alread was "is", is a complex story.
doug Sosa: So where was the beginning, of it, of my experience?
Pema Pera: but if you interpret the "middle" as everything except the very edges, than more than 99% of everything is "middle" . . . .
Paradise Tennant: well .. kind goes hand in hand with connectedness .. really does it not ?
doug Sosa: or lots of middles all interconnected.
Donyodgrubpa Magic: edges come only from inside of each of us
Pema Pera: whereas in, say, Buddhism, the notion of "middle" is that of the best balance -- where less than 1% would qualify in any given situation as the best middle
Pema Pera: yes, Donyod, we judge and carve up :)
Dakini Rhode: doug what i see in your description is a complex web of interconnections without beginning or end
doug Sosa: could it be otherwise?
doug Sosa: I do need to go. This was desert. Thanks.
Paradise Tennant: waves good nite doug :)
doug Sosa: did i get enough s's in that? Not aterless expanse but end of meal delight.
Dakini Rhode: glad you had your dessert first :-)
Eos Amaterasu: have a good main course :-)!
Donyodgrubpa Magic: good sleep :) doug
Pema Pera: nite Doug!

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Pema Pera: I like the quotes in your profile, Donyod, I presume the language is Tibetan?
Donyodgrubpa Magic: yes
Donyodgrubpa Magic: time to rest for me also, good night!
Pema Pera: good night!
Eos Amaterasu: Good night!
Paradise Tennant: good night donyod ..
Dakini Rhode: time for me as well...
Pema Pera: sweet dreams, Dakini
Dakini Rhode: thanks, Pema
Eos Amaterasu: Good night, DAki
Dakini Rhode: tc
Paradise Tennant: good night dakini
Paradise Tennant: well It is getting late on the east coast .. so I will say good night too as always thank you :)
Pema Pera: sleep well, Paradise!
Eos Amaterasu: 'night, Paradise!
Paradise Tennant: thanks pema .. enjoy california nite nite eos ::)
Pema Pera: I will -- and so will you, soon :)
Pema Pera: oops
Pema Pera: wrong text line -- I thought the last part was from you, Eos
Eos Amaterasu: Ah, yes, soon I will be 4 time zones away, or closer :-)
Pema Pera: when are you coming out?
Pema Pera: what day?
Eos Amaterasu: I'm flying out on Friday
Pema Pera: and where will you stay?
Eos Amaterasu: My brother lives in Berkeley, so will stay with him
Pema Pera: it would be nice to get together, if you have time, on Sat and/or Sun
Eos Amaterasu: And the Friday 28th my sister flies in from Wales, so will see her briefly
Pema Pera: we're going to organize a couple meals for everyone interested
Eos Amaterasu: Yes, that would be great
Pema Pera: in or near Berkeley
Pema Pera: stay tuned: we'll send out a note tomorrow probably
Eos Amaterasu: My brother's house is on Grizzly Peak Blvd :-)
Pema Pera: nice view!
Eos Amaterasu: Indeed, can see right out the Golden Gate bridge
Eos Amaterasu: I lived in Berkeley for a number of years - will be nice to visit
Pema Pera: I lived there for half a year, 25 years ago -- but since then have visited many times for a few weeks at a time, often almost every year
Pema Pera: it's a wonderful place
Eos Amaterasu: it always seemed like a kind of super genetic melting pot
Pema Pera: yes, and very free and open
Eos Amaterasu: just checked the weather - a bit cooler than here (but we're in a hot spell)
Pema Pera: :)

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Pema Pera: Well, I'll get back to RL for a while -- and it must be late for you by now
Eos Amaterasu: Yes, I'll turn in, good night, Pema
Pema Pera: good night, Eos!