2009.08.13 19:00 - SL Nuns and Sex

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    The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

    doug Sosa, Lingerer Xari and Isadora Davidov join me followed by a much larger crowd. Many of the attendees were relatively new to PaB yet that never stops interesting conversations from arising.

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello doug
    doug Sosa: hi.
    stevenaia Michinaga: Sylectra is at the Sl convention in SF
    stevenaia Michinaga: so I am subbing tonight
    Lingerer Xaris: HELLO ALL
    doug Sosa: thanks!
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello again Lingerer
    doug Sosa: And hi Linger
    Lingerer Xaris: howdy
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice of you to return 2 days in a row
    Lingerer Xaris: three days in a row!
    Lingerer Xaris: i think it's becoming a ritual
    doug Sosa: ah, missed you yesterday.
    doug Sosa: abd the day before :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles, soon an addiction
    doug Sosa: i wonder why people would go to a first life second life conference.
    stevenaia Michinaga: we will have to ask sylectra, she went to the one last year as well in Florida I believe
    stevenaia Michinaga: a good reason to "get away" I suppose
    Lingerer Xaris: i think it would be great to do something like Play as Being in first life
    stevenaia Michinaga: in 10 days they will be doing that for a few days at their RL retreat
    doug Sosa: yes, i do too, but its fun to play with the the reality of all these folks looking like roller bladers at venice beach suddnly looking like theya re from cleelan,
    doug Sosa: Hello Is
    Isadora Davidov: Hello everyone
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Isadora
    Isadora Davidov: Hello Stevenaia
    Lingerer Xaris: haha, Doug, that was hilarious
    stevenaia Michinaga: maybe I missed that, what is cleelan
    Isadora Davidov: It's odd...there were so few choices for what my avatar was supposed to look like...this was the best I could do...
    Lingerer Xaris: hello isadora
    doug Sosa: *cleveland.. sorry.
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    Isadora Davidov: Hello Lingerer...Yes, I thought you meant Cleveland
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Paradise
    Lingerer Xaris: i knew what Doug meant. We do all sort of look like super hotties in here, don't we?
    doug Sosa: you did fine for starts. Iam one of the few i think who made an effort to look like i really do. To me that is high play.
    Lingerer Xaris: Hello paradise. Great look!
    Paradise Tennant: hiya steve doug isadora lingerer :)) thanks
    Isadora Davidov: I am no longer hot looking...although 30 years ago I was okay
    doug Sosa: (hi).
    Lingerer Xaris: i need to figure out how to start my avatar from scratch so I can make her look more like me. I like that idea.
    Paradise Tennant: :))
    Isadora Davidov: Um what does that symbol mean?
    stevenaia Michinaga: sideways smile
    Isadora Davidov: Thanks

    doug Sosa begins the leading thought tonight of avatars visual appeal (hottiness) and the potential of resulting thoughts, RL vs SL

    doug Sosa: i find the hottiness issue very engaging, and hence distracting. Some times I think, gad, if were really in a room with these people I'd be bathed in wet day dreams.
    Lingerer Xaris: lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: laughs
    Lingerer Xaris: i tried to make Lingerer into a guy earlier, but couldn't get rid of the boobs
    Lingerer Xaris: i wanted to see what it would be like to be a guy
    stevenaia Michinaga: noticed that
    stevenaia Michinaga: haha, for a while I was a woman in SL
    doug Sosa: but its ok because we are supposed to be meditating, you know, speaking spontaneously about our real reactions.
    stevenaia Michinaga: she;s still in my profile pic
    Isadora Davidov: Well...I guess it is a sort of fantasy realm, but I don't like misrepresenting myself...unless it onstage, in a character...a different thing
    Lingerer Xaris: i have been thinking about the dual experience of on one hand, being here as pure presence
    Lingerer Xaris: and on the other hand, being conscious of appearance
    Isadora Davidov: YEs, a paradox
    Paradise Tennant: always interesting to see how we define our selves by our choices :)
    doug Sosa: yes but you know if a woman is beautiful as most here are 15's on a ten point scale, i feel bad not acknowledging that.
    stevenaia Michinaga: or how we are defined by others
    Isadora Davidov: Right...in RL, self-representation, our clothing, etc...that's a lay preoccupation..well everywhere really humans signal their status and role via clothing etc
    Paradise Tennant: hmmn really we are cartoon depictions ..
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: for instance my avatar was created by a friend during my change from a woman
    Paradise Tennant: *depictions
    Isadora Davidov: tres amusant
    Lingerer Xaris: yeah, i find myself torn between wanting to express something of myself throught Lingere versus wanting her to be pure fiction
    Lingerer Xaris: oui, tres amusant, Isadora


    Vajra Raymaker and Paradise Tennant arrive followed by Rowan Masala
    Lingerer Xaris, being new to SL had some questions about some words and emoticons and their and meaning in SL

    doug Sosa: so much of my life is trying to figure out what is real, what does this or that tell me about a person. Here it is almost ludicrous to try.
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Vajra
    Paradise Tennant: hiya vajra
    doug Sosa: (hi)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Rowan
    Paradise Tennant: hello rowan :)) gtsy
    Rowan Masala: hi everyone :)
    Vajra Raymaker: Hi Sevenaia, Par, all
    Vajra Raymaker: hi Doug : -)
    Lingerer Xaris: hi Rowan. I like the way you're sitting
    Isadora Davidov: I'm less interested in the visual aspect..although this technology is visually fantastic etc...but I'm really more interested in the phenomenon of meeting people across space and in real time who might share interests
    stevenaia Michinaga: you can touch the pillow to change
    Paradise Tennant: really it is best described as a social interactive platform
    stevenaia Michinaga: there is some sort of gravity that draws people tother here
    Paradise Tennant: nods
    Lingerer Xaris: nice bling, Vajra
    Rowan Masala smiles
    Vajra Raymaker: hope it is not too disruptive, the bling
    Isadora Davidov: right...a social interactive platform...I am learning
    Isadora Davidov: Wow!
    Lingerer Xaris: it's lovely
    Rowan Masala: but for many, the visual experience, including the aesthetic of it all, is very important in that interaction
    doug Sosa: bling?
    Isadora Davidov: Well, fantasy is enchanting...
    Vajra Raymaker: tks
    Lingerer Xaris: i find it a bit distracting. i sort of wish we were all wearing black sacks. ha.
    Isadora Davidov: lol
    Vajra Raymaker: Really? I was actually worried about lag.
    stevenaia Michinaga: or nothing at all
    Lingerer Xaris: now, but really, i just find it all fascinating. humans and such.
    Isadora Davidov: oooo
    Vajra Raymaker: I am not quite sure what causes "lag"
    Rowan Masala: well, you could probably form your own group of people who wear black sacks, Ling
    Isadora Davidov: What is "lag"?
    Vajra Raymaker: Exactly my question, Isadora. But I know that it exists, and it is found on SL.
    stevenaia Michinaga: lag is the time from when you type until you see it on the screen
    Rowan Masala: well, that's chat lag
    stevenaia Michinaga: *type
    Isadora Davidov: oh thanks
    Rowan Masala: but there are lots of other kinds of lag too
    Vajra Raymaker: Well, that is the phenomenological description Steve, but what is lag REALLY, behind appearances?
    Rowan Masala grins
    stevenaia Michinaga: ...listens
    Vajra Raymaker: yes, I thought also it included when it takes time to "rez", Rowan
    Isadora Davidov: "rez"?
    Vajra Raymaker: but that is phenomenological description again
    Rowan Masala: and when you move your arrows but your av can't move
    Paradise Tennant: ;)))
    Vajra Raymaker: Become formed, Isa. I believe that the verb "to rez" applies to both avatars and other objects.
    doug Sosa: In part a I am fascinated and exhilarated by the beauty of people here, but I find myself concerned when in our "open spontaneous mindedness of Play as being" nobody mentions it.
    stevenaia Michinaga: like when you arrive somewhere and it takes a while to see things, that;s letting things Rez
    Vajra Raymaker: All this I've learned from hearing people talk and making observations; I know little about the technology, thus, sadly, I lack knowledge of the metaphysics of SL
    Isadora Davidov: OK...thanks
    Rowan Masala: Doug, I'm not quite sure what you mean
    Rowan Masala: can you explain a bit more?
    Vajra Raymaker: .
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Pila
    doug Sosa: Well, if we take the 9 sec meditation (or the 90) and explore how thoughts come, my first most always is the sense of who is here mostly by appearance, then other kinds of thought come.. It is always for me the presence of others first. I suspect it is important for others as well, but rarely mentioned.
    Vajra Raymaker: Hi Pila
    Pila Mulligan: greetings
    doug Sosa: (hi pi)
    Rowan Masala: hello Pila
    Isadora Davidov: Hello
    Lingerer Xaris: Yes, Doug, I agree. That's why I said something. At first, I chided myself for not being lofty minded enough. That is why it took me a couple days to just mention the visual component. And even a certain social anxiety about it.
    Lingerer Xaris: Hi pIla
    doug Sosa: Right. it does show i think a kind of taboo aspect here, which seems to me worth really being clear about.
    Lingerer Xaris: I'm glad to see what a big turnout there is tonight
    Isadora Davidov: THank you..
    stevenaia Michinaga: I suspect all humans have that subtext running in the background to some degree
    stevenaia Michinaga: some more than others
    Isadora Davidov: It's almost impossible to bypass, unless you don't have the power of sight...we are so ocularly oriented
    Paradise Tennant: beauty has a lot of dimensions ..it touches all the senses and even on a deeper level it resides in our soul .. everyone is encompassed within it conceptually
    Lingerer Xaris: It is natural. Biological. Searching for a mate is programmed into the filter. Even in a false reality.
    Lingerer Xaris: Or a non-biological reality.
    Rowan Masala: but the interesting thing here is that we are in complete control of our physical manifestation here
    Vajra Raymaker: When I first came on to SL, one of the things I was most struck by was how much people gave each other little gifts, and also helped each other. It improved my view of human nature, as a beautiful nature.
    stevenaia Michinaga: well our scripts are in control
    Lingerer Xaris: True! And if begs the question: who do we want to appear to be?
    Isadora Davidov: And the "real" reality...how real we are conditioned to think it is...although I look before crossing the street
    Isadora Davidov: What are the scripts?


    stevenaia Michinaga: there are hug scripts that allow to people to hug for instance, care to demonstrate, Rowan? and many others
    stevenaia Michinaga: /hug row
    Lingerer Xaris: Ahhhhhh
    Paradise Tennant: love the hugging .. and waving is a lot of fun too!
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, those are examples of scripts
    Isadora Davidov: The hugging looks excellent..an advanced skill no doubt...
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Pila Mulligan: in real life there is what we may call the Steven Hawking effect -- someone profoundly beautiful we may at first recoil from (if we do not know them) due to their appearance
    Paradise Tennant: :)) pretty much easy
    Pila Mulligan: ... Sl seems to bypass that type of problem by letting a person exist behind a more or less chosen appearance
    Rowan Masala: one moment I'll give each of you a copy
    Lingerer Xaris: thanks for the gift!
    Lingerer Xaris: the gift of hugging. lol
    Pila Mulligan: thanks Rowan
    stevenaia Michinaga: you are welcome
    Pila Mulligan: does it work for groups?
    Paradise Tennant: do you have a flight feather lingere r will help you fly more easily
    Vajra Raymaker: tks Rowan
    stevenaia Michinaga: passes out hugs
    Paradise Tennant: thanks rowan
    Rowan Masala: no - just one at a time
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Rowan Masala: I already did, Steven
    Paradise Tennant: what a nice sentence
    Lingerer Xaris: where does one fly to?
    Pila Mulligan: somone should make a Huge Hug script
    Pila Mulligan: multiple avis
    Paradise Tennant: ooo flying is really fun .. so is falling
    Rowan Masala: well, Bettina Tizzy has one that she sometimes rezzes in Chakryn Forest
    Vajra Raymaker: Yeah, that would be cool, PIla
    stevenaia Michinaga: well we are 103 units above 0, some places are quite high in the sky and you can;t get there without a feather
    Paradise Tennant: fell for about my first three days would fly to the top of the grid and then plunge down ..
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Rowan Masala: here's a photo of it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rowanmasala/2956676407/
    Paradise Tennant: nice rowan ...lovely pic
    Rowan Masala: that's only 3 of us, but it will expand as far as you need it to, I think
    doug Sosa: I hope we can bring the spirit of this conversation into future PAB sessions.
    Isadora Davidov: THank you...I have been receiving things...but have no idea of what to do (can be done) except coming to sit here in PaB...
    Paradise Tennant: the flight feather you just click on and wear
    Isadora Davidov: Oh...thnks!
    Paradise Tennant: it will help you fly higher hover more easily
    Paradise Tennant: same with the multi tool and if you would like to hug someone you type a fore slash and there name in chat
    Vajra Raymaker: How do you think the sense of beauty affects our experience of SL or things in life offline, Doug?
    Vajra Raymaker: or anyone?
    Isadora Davidov: Oh...Rowan, thank you....OK I'll try
    doug Sosa: well, worth exploring, here the beauty ties directly, ye as Vajra said, to the heart, but it is also erotic and requires constraint.
    Pila Mulligan: have you been to Kira Cafe Isadora?
    Vajra Raymaker: Why does beauty require constraint?
    doug Sosa: not the beauty, the erotic response to it.
    Paradise Tennant: well esthetics has a certain order to it ..a harmony on some levels
    Isadora Davidov: THank you everyone...I am rather slow (electronically)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Vajra Raymaker: Why do erotic responses require constraint? Would you say they should as a general rule?
    Paradise Tennant: no worries isadora we were all there
    Vajra Raymaker: oh, yes, order is there in the beauty itself then, Paradise?
    Isadora Davidov: THanks.,...oh yes, erotic responses definitely require discernment
    Pila Mulligan: and balance
    Vajra Raymaker: Why do they "require" this?
    Pila Mulligan: for coordination
    Paradise Tennant: well a harmony .. certainly ..
    Paradise Tennant: beauty is a subjective experience
    doug Sosa: If she looks like tis in real life, i'd make every effort to get closer. if she knows that and knows she doesn;t look like that in real life, than I am insulting her.
    Isadora Davidov: Well...I mean, one can be attracted...but it doesn't always turn out to be a wise choice to act on...something like that
    Rowan Masala: well, I think perhaps Doug was referring to eroticism in this context, here at PaB
    Vajra Raymaker: What assumptions are being made here about what erotic responses to beauty are all about?
    Paradise Tennant: dependent on our senses and our preconceptions too but harmony .. symmetry have a universal appeal
    Isadora Davidov: Oh
    Isadora Davidov: Very classical vision
    Isadora Davidov: WEll, organic too


    Pila Mulligan: we came close to a first, a PaB discussion of sex -- at least I've never seen one here
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Isadora Davidov: I find this very restful and somehow comforting...to be in presence but sort of not alone
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Lingerer Xaris: i really enjoyed that spontaneous silence as well
    doug Sosa: I've hinted a number o times. nothing. We are supposed to drop all barriers so we can watch out thoughts. yet the most obvious t me is that people come here dressed to (kill is the conventional end of that phrase).
    doug Sosa: out = our
    Paradise Tennant: actually do a fair amount of meditation inworld and I find it pretty much as effective as meditating in rl
    Isadora Davidov: WEll, I am interested to discuss, everything
    Pila Mulligan: Paradise is gradually persuading me that sl=rl :)
    Paradise Tennant: well for me it is
    Paradise Tennant: i do not treat it any differently
    Pila Mulligan: I'm not there yet :)
    Vajra Raymaker: ah, Doug. I've got used to that at the other places I stop at in SL, about the dressing
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, discussing everything can take a wonderfully long time
    Paradise Tennant: requires the same respect the same manners consideration
    Isadora Davidov: Well so far, this is nicer than some aspects of RL
    doug Sosa: I have brought much from sl to rl. More open, more curious, less inhibited, more relaxed.
    Pila Mulligan: but there are no smells in SL
    Rowan Masala: yet
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Rowan Masala: beyond our imagination
    Isadora Davidov: no, but I get to hear an owl
    Lingerer Xaris: yes! the owl
    Paradise Tennant: really like the crickets too
    doug Sosa: the fact that vision and sight are easier to digitalize than smell tells us much I think. worth exploring.
    doug Sosa: vision and hearing..:)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Isadora Davidov: That might be a scary day when they figure out the olfactory and gustatory
    doug Sosa: so why scary?
    Lingerer Xaris: in terms of sex, i think it's worth noting that if we were all here on a summer's night, having deep conversations in RL, some people would end up having sex
    doug Sosa: yes but which ones :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: the night is young
    Lingerer Xaris: lol
    Isadora Davidov: Oh...is that ok in PasB?
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: is what ok?
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: asks nievely
    Lingerer Xaris: I think there are nuns in SL who make sure that doesn't happen
    Lingerer Xaris: LOL
    stevenaia Michinaga: SL nuns, hmm, I think they are all at the SL Convention in SF, so we are safe
    doug Sosa: Pila, why do you think we have never talked about sex here?
    Paradise Tennant: well .. there the difference perhaps .. cartoon sex is not sex .. while our attention and presence are here our bodies are not .. need your body for sex lol
    Pila Mulligan: I don't know Doug
    Paradise Tennant: that part is not rl
    Pila Mulligan: aha
    Pila Mulligan: see
    Rowan Masala: that depends on your level of immersion
    doug Sosa: maybe that is part of it, sex is not really possible here, so SL has a major limitation, and we don;t want to face it, it is to delightful, too paradisiacal
    Lingerer Xaris: My friends recently told me about a certain sect of Buddhist monks who dig up the bones of dead women and meditate on them.
    Isadora Davidov: OH...I have to go...my son's plane from Amsterdam just arrived in LA and I have to find my way to the SF airport...I think this was a really interesting visit and I enjoyed everyone so much...I am surprised it can be this way..good bye everyone...I think maybe I am the only one..but I feel the people here tonight were very kind and loving to a beginner...thanks good night
    Rowan Masala: goodnight, isadora
    doug Sosa: bless and smiles!
    Pila Mulligan: bye Issy
    Vajra Raymaker: bye; take care Isadora!
    Rowan Masala: wear that, isadora
    Rowan Masala: it's an AO
    Lingerer Xaris: Bye isadora
    Paradise Tennant: isadora if you have any questions or need help im me :)
    Rowan Masala: I'll tell you about it next time
    Pila Mulligan: drive carefully :)
    Isadora Davidov: Oh thank you everyone!
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye


    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps not enough of us have had sex with each other (I may be wrong though) so we can only talk about why we don;t have sex
    Lingerer Xaris: the monks do this to quell sexual desire. i think what we come here to do- to explore being- seems to ask us for complete honesty
    Pila Mulligan: monks meditating on the bones of dead women seems kind of morbid
    Lingerer Xaris: and it is interesting to then note how much our human needs come into that
    Paradise Tennant: it would do a great job of quelling desire though
    stevenaia Michinaga: how do they know it;s a woman?
    doug Sosa: very interesting evening. i think something about Isadora's directness and newness was a catalyst.
    Vajra Raymaker: Weird: When Isa left, my camera view went along with her, rather than keeping the view here. It was as if my soul was traveling : -)
    Paradise Tennant: hmm
    Pila Mulligan: hi Archie
    Paradise Tennant: :))
    Rowan Masala: your cam was zoomed on her
    Lingerer Xaris: hi Archie
    Vajra Raymaker: oh, k, Row.
    Rowan Masala: if you hit escape a couple of times it releases the camera
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Archmage, have you been here before?

    Archmage Atlantis arrives

    Archmage Atlantis: Greetings Pila, Lingerer
    Rowan Masala: if you want to zoom on something, hold your mouse over it and alt+click
    Rowan Masala: then keep the alt held down
    Lingerer Xaris: I bring up the bones thing because maybe we let appearance distract us from the work of really BEING here together.
    Archmage Atlantis: Once, this morning.....I have friends who come here often
    Pila Mulligan: so you've heard the rap on recording etc
    stevenaia Michinaga: welcome, I will forgo the introductions then
    Archmage Atlantis: I know all is recorded
    Vajra Raymaker: Hi Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: I read the website
    Pila Mulligan: and someone mentioned earlier there may even be nuns watching :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I even do spell check when I post now
    Vajra Raymaker: lol Pila
    Paradise Tennant: good point lingerer
    Archmage Atlantis: I am too slow when I spell check, though with my disabilities it would certainly help
    Archmage Atlantis: especially given the number of languages most likely present
    stevenaia Michinaga: I put it in a text program that does it for me :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I certainly am unable to spellcheck anything by myself
    Lingerer Xaris: how many languages are present, i wonder
    doug Sosa: I must rise and go now... very interesting conversation and good support.
    Pila Mulligan: lots
    Archmage Atlantis: Then I shall learn the options going forward
    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks doug
    Paradise Tennant: good nite doug
    Pila Mulligan: bye for now Doug
    stevenaia Michinaga: next wednesday, naked PaB, DOug
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    doug Sosa: bye
    Lingerer Xaris: bye Doug
    Vajra Raymaker: tc Doug
    Vajra Raymaker: I must be off too
    Pila Mulligan: bye Vajra
    Lingerer Xaris: the time goes by fast, here
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Vajra Raymaker: Bye Pila, good seeing you. Bye all, thks Steve
    Pila Mulligan: see you next time
    Paradise Tennant: good nite vajra
    Vajra Raymaker waves

    Vajra Raymaker leave

    Paradise Tennant: :)) waves back
    Archmage Atlantis: I seem to have arrived just in time to see everyone leave
    Archmage Atlantis: Miscalculated by 1 hour
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I am getting sleepy too, yes Arch, you were about an hour late
    Paradise Tennant: have you a note card on the times archmage
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, and I added 4 to7 instead of 3
    Paradise Tennant: ahh kk
    Rowan Masala: must be off
    Rowan Masala: goodnight, all
    Archmage Atlantis: All is learning
    Pila Mulligan: bye Rowan
    Paradise Tennant: goodnight rowan
    stevenaia Michinaga: I;m getting sleepy too
    Rowan Masala: may you all be happy, and well, and safe, and peaceful
    Pila Mulligan: same to you Rowan, thanks
    Paradise Tennant: may you be happy well and safe and peaceful
    Pila Mulligan: sleep well Steve
    Paradise Tennant: :))
    stevenaia Michinaga: see you soon

    Rowan and I exit the group

    Pila Mulligan: bye for now
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite steve
    Paradise Tennant: well Pila are you sleepy too .. or are you up for say 5 minutes of mediation ?
    Pila Mulligan: it is only a little after 5 pm here Paradise
    Archmage Atlantis: If one walks forward into the pool, is the return home automatic?
    Pila Mulligan: meditation is fn any time
    Archmage Atlantis: automatic
    Paradise Tennant: not sure never walked into the pool
    Pila Mulligan: I dont think so Arch
    Pila Mulligan: I think Steve got to the middle to fly thru the hole in the roof
    Pila Mulligan: going up thru it
    Archmage Atlantis: I've seen it multiple times....that makes sense Pila
    Pila Mulligan: interesting idea -- Storm could probably write a script to do it
    Paradise Tennant: yes a lovely idea
    Paradise Tennant: poetic almost


    Archmage Atlantis: So the decision is to meditate? For I do have questions of those more experienced than is if it is not.
    Paradise Tennant: what would you like to know
    Pila Mulligan: I have time to chat, how's your time Paradise?
    Paradise Tennant: good for about another 10 minutes then have to scoot to walk the dog ..
    Paradise Tennant: getting late on the east coast
    Pila Mulligan: so we can meditate in 5 :)
    Paradise Tennant: sure
    Pila Mulligan: in 5 for 5 :)
    Paradise Tennant: :))
    Paradise Tennant: sure
    Archmage Atlantis: Let me know.
    Pila Mulligan: 8:22 SLT (clock in the upper right)
    Paradise Tennant: so archmage what were your questions
    Pila Mulligan: and I can stay later after we meditate Archie
    Archmage Atlantis: How did you each come to know of this place, why does it attract you, and what do you each gain by coming her......2 min each please
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Paradise Tennant: hmm stumbled in by accident .. and found wonderful conversation
    Pila Mulligan: it was recommend by a friend, I like the format and people,
    Pila Mulligan: and it is fun
    Paradise Tennant: :))
    Pila Mulligan: how did you find it?
    Archmage Atlantis: My friends Moon, Star and Fael keep mentioning it, then when I came to explore this morning I saw Ade and 3D mentioned on a guardian list
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: Moon and Ade an Corvi met for breakfast today in RL
    Archmage Atlantis: I know he is in [city]
    Pila Mulligan: what fun
    Pila Mulligan: well, we are almost at meditating time -- until 8;27?
    Pila Mulligan: or so
    Pila Mulligan: ready?
    Paradise Tennant: yes .. always like meditating with Pila .. sleep like a baby afterwards :))
    Archmage Atlantis: I show 8:22, is that correct....it seems not to change
    Pila Mulligan: well, let's begin now and stop at 8:28 SLT then
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh, it just did, to 8:23
    Archmage Atlantis: I agree
    Archmage Atlantis: Then, perhaps my sleepless nights shall finally end this evening
    Archmage Atlantis: Stillness of the mind is difficult for me
    Archmage Atlantis: Whoever built the wisteria did a masterful job of capturing organic complexity and beauty
    Pila Mulligan: *ding*
    Paradise Tennant: the bell tolls
    Pila Mulligan: thank you
    Paradise Tennant: thank you
    Archmage Atlantis: Blessings be, thank you
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: time for the dog to take you for a walk
    Pila Mulligan: pARADISE
    Paradise Tennant: archmage .. try taking one very long deep breath ..and then exhale it very slowly ..when you are exhaling just swooosh out your mind
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Pila Mulligan: Paradise*
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Pila Mulligan: swoosh :)


    Paradise Tennant: for the time you exhale .. you are performing a mediation .. it is that easy .. practice ..just makes it last longer than 15 secs say
    Paradise Tennant: :)) okies going to pouf .. and walk hairy :)) thanks again
    Archmage Atlantis: I shall, thank you
    Pila Mulligan: bye for now Paradise
    Paradise Tennant: big wave !
    Pila Mulligan: Hey!
    Archmage Atlantis: We shall met again Pila, goodbye for now
    Pila Mulligan: nie to meet you Archmage
    Pila Mulligan: do you need to leave now?
    Pila Mulligan: I was just saying goodbye to Paradise, not leaving myself :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Paradise, it has been my please .....please forgive my badger Russa for he is always curious....Ah, then I'll stop his advance to the fountain
    Archmage Atlantis: Would you speak more then Pila?
    Pila Mulligan: yes, if you like :)
    Pila Mulligan: shall we turn off the recording?
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