2009.08.15 13:00 - SL Appearance, Gardens and Weddings

The Guardian for this meeting was SophiaSharon Larnia. The comments are by SophiaSharon Larnia.

I arrived a few minutes after 4 pm and Doug, Yakuzza and Fox were sitting in the pavilion, having just arrived; Gaya and Wol soon follow...

doug Sosa: welcome.

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey fox and doug
Fox Monacular: Hey Yakuzza and Doug
doug Sosa: ouch
Fox Monacular: yeah, it happens
doug Sosa: hi bert
Fox Monacular: Hello Bertram
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bert, sophia
Fox Monacular: Hi Sophia
Bertram Jacobus: hi sophia s :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi all *smiles*
doug Sosa: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: omg Fox you're on fire!
SophiaSharon Larnia: ^^
Bertram Jacobus: helllo gaya ... :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Gaya
Fox Monacular: yeah, one of these days...
Fox Monacular: Hi Gaya
SophiaSharon Larnia: Ha!!
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello :)
doug Sosa: hi
Gaya Ethaniel: You've got interestings AVs Fox. :)
Fox Monacular: thanks:) they're all free too
Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)
Fox Monacular: i'm still looking for my sl identity
doug Sosa: trying to maximise experience :)
Fox Monacular: haven't quite resolved it it rl yet either:)
Gaya Ethaniel nods. It's fun to play.
Fox Monacular: yes:)
Gaya Ethaniel: Mum"
Bertram Jacobus: hallo wol ... :-)
Fox Monacular: Hi Wol
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey wol
doug Sosa: what happens if you get in the pond?
Gaya Ethaniel: Have you been behaving? :P
Wol Euler: hello everyone, sorry I'm late
doug Sosa: hi
SophiaSharon Larnia: me too Fox :p It's funny how this makes you look at yourself
Fox Monacular: my awesome fire will definitely evaporate the pool
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Wol
Wol Euler: oooh, Burning Fox.
Wol Euler: nice.
Fox Monacular: thanks:)
Gaya Ethaniel nods. Also helps discovering things about oneself ...
SophiaSharon Larnia: haha it'll be a sauna
Fox Monacular: that's for sure, sometimes strange things happen
Gaya Ethaniel: ?
Fox Monacular: I mean about discovering things about yourself
Gaya Ethaniel: Do give us an example or two Fox.
Fox Monacular: for example, why is it that I just cannot decide to have a 'human' avatar?
Fox Monacular: :)
Bertram Jacobus: yes, why ? ;-)
Wol Euler: :)
doug Sosa: is there a momment where that is a real question?
Fox Monacular: I tried, but these crazy things are somehow more attractive:)
Wol Euler: perhaps you are expressing many different facets of yourself in your avs?
Wol Euler: or should htat be "presumably you are ..."
Fox Monacular: yes, like a horse on fire:))
Fox Monacular: but seriously I think it's very interesting to see what people chose to represent themselves in sl
Wol Euler: indeed :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: it is interesting
Gaya Ethaniel adds Fox to her list "people with interesting AVs"
Bertram Jacobus: so i´m more boring i guess in my sl appearance ? ... ;-)
Fox Monacular: in sl I wear strangest things, in rl I don't even have a tattoo
Wol Euler smiles and nods. Not yet, perhaps.
doug Sosa: So do chosen avatars usually represent desires?
Fox Monacular: I don't know if it can be qualified as 'boring'... more like real vs unreal?
Bertram Jacobus: nice reaction fox :-)
Wol Euler: I do think they repesent sides of oneself
Fox Monacular: probably... like dreamlike...
Wol Euler: I met Adelene in RL recently, for example, and was surprised and amused to see that she has the same upright and stately bearing in her RL body as her lion av does here
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Fox Monacular: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Fox Monacular: I think I chose this one because it represents a nightmare
Gaya Ethaniel: Even choosing to stick with default ones give a clue or two about RL person behind AVs.
Gaya Ethaniel: [not all the same I must add]
Gaya Ethaniel: same reasons*
Bertram Jacobus: yes gaya. i thought similar thoughts ... :-)
Fox Monacular: my problem is that I don't know anyone in rl who uses sl... so I can't compare
Bertram Jacobus: and doug : in cologne carneval it is said, that the costumes, which people choose, WOULD represent desires, "yes" ...
Gaya Ethaniel: Well you may meet some SL friends in RL one day who knows? :)
Wol Euler nods and smiles
Gaya Ethaniel turns green :P "Like Wol here."
Wol Euler: :-PPPP
Wol Euler: it was fun, surprisingly easy and comfortable

--BELL--

Fox Monacular: oh yes, carnival is a great example
Fox Monacular: in renaissance venice yearly carnival was used as an element of social catharsis (and i'm sure in other places it is similar)
Bertram Jacobus: it is fox !
Fox Monacular: it was allowed to transgress otherwise fixed norms and identities to prevent social upheavals
Gaya Ethaniel: What is fox?
SophiaSharon Larnia: I can definately see how that can be, freedom to do things you would ordinarily do
SophiaSharon Larnia: wouldn't*
Wol Euler: trying out different selves
Fox Monacular: and now we have mass media for that
Gaya Ethaniel nods. SL is really good for me that way because I grew up in a very strict family.
SophiaSharon Larnia: bourbon street in new orleans was like for me, although this is on a much smaller scale!
Gaya Ethaniel: Though I can't help people judging me for what kind of AVs or clothings I choose to wear.
Gaya Ethaniel: It's really playing for me that I value.
Wol Euler: true.
Bertram Jacobus: interesting. cologne is the town in germany with the biggest carnival tradition and psycologists say it would make more free and i can affirm that. it´s a very helpful element ...
Wol Euler: but it is also true on the whole, that your friends don't care and those who _do_ care would not be your friends anysway
Fox Monacular: agree
Gaya Ethaniel: !
SophiaSharon Larnia: :) Wol
Gaya Ethaniel: Wol does it again. :)
Fox Monacular: but sometimes it is hard to separate people and their preconceptions
Gaya Ethaniel nods nods.
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles and nods
Wol Euler: I think SL makes a start at though, in a way. By showing us that appearance truly is not reality.
Gaya Ethaniel: I learnt a lot about my preconceptions as well as things about myself.
Gaya Ethaniel: Well still learning.
SophiaSharon Larnia: i think it was a start for me, Wol, for real <laughs>
Gaya Ethaniel used to think female AVs are females in RL !!!
Fox Monacular: oh, I know now why today of all days I'm wearing the 'nightmare' avatar - I've been reading a lot on nightmares today! I just made the connection
Fox Monacular: haha, Gaya:)
Gaya Ethaniel: Does that make me a sheep/fox in RL? :P
Fox Monacular: :))
Wol Euler: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: ah!
Gaya Ethaniel: wow ... amazing you realised the connection Fox.
Fox Monacular: I'm sure my boyfriend would make a female avatar for himself:)
Gaya Ethaniel: Why would you say that?
Fox Monacular: the first avatar I made was male:) just for fun
Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)
Fox Monacular: sorry everyone, I have to go now... nice talking to you all
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Fox
Wol Euler: bye fox, burn well :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Good night Fox. :)
Fox Monacular: have a good rest of the session
Gaya Ethaniel guffaws.
Bertram Jacobus: for me, sl and rl are very close. and i try to follow a teaching of a buddhist teacher who said : don´t confuse people. be clear instead
Gaya Ethaniel: What does he mean by that?
Bertram Jacobus: perhaps i expressed it in a wrong way ? he meant not to confuse but to do the contrary would be good
Gaya Ethaniel thinks.
Wol Euler: clarity is generally a good thing :)
Wol Euler: Doug, you are very quiet.
Bertram Jacobus: and i knew a black magician long years ago - very long years - who said confusing people would be freat (...)
Bertram Jacobus: great*
doug Sosa: Good sometimes. Thoughtful.
Gaya Ethaniel: It's difficult to be clear about people though ... let alone oneself.
SophiaSharon Larnia: I have been away from sl and PaB for a while, I was surprised how my thoughts have drifted away from 'being' and more on the stressors of life
doug Sosa: Listening to what is behind the words being spoken.
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Wol Euler: and what do you hear? :)
doug Sosa: wish i knew.
Gaya Ethaniel: :)</laughs>

--BELL--

Gaya Ethaniel: Well you can share what you think of it all at least if you'd like doug.
doug Sosa: I am at a new level of unclarity about it.
Gaya Ethaniel: About SL?
Wol Euler: your comments about avs and sexuality in recent sessions have been interesting, doug.
doug Sosa: no.. what lies behind people's choice of appearance, what they want to follow from those choices..
doug Sosa: For me, as I've been saying, who is here and how they appear take precedence over other thoughts when i arrive. I have to push them aside to appear to be "meditating." but if the "meditating" is supposed to be free and spontaneous observation of how thoughts emerge..
doug Sosa: then what others are doing ehr is different from what I am doing. And I don't beleive it.
Gaya Ethaniel: uh ... I'm confused ... reads again.
Gaya Ethaniel: What is "what others are doing here?"
Gaya Ethaniel: PaBing?
Wol Euler: what is there to believe or not believe, doug?
doug Sosa: About appearnce, spntenetiy and openness. And I am saved by the bell sort of, i do need to go, guests arrivng in five minutes...
doug Sosa: bye.
Gaya Ethaniel: Enjoy your evening doug :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye doug
Gaya Ethaniel: Shame he couldn't stay longer.
Gaya Ethaniel: He is an interesting person, quite different to many I've met here.
Bertram Jacobus: in which way if i may ask although he is not here anymore ?
SophiaSharon Larnia: brb
Gaya Ethaniel: Well, he normally leaves at 30 mins, sometimes it looks almost like a personal practice?
Gaya Ethaniel: I should ask him next time :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Mick :)
Mickorod Renard: hiya
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Mick
Bertram Jacobus: hm. may be. better to ask him directly - i call to order myself ... ;o)
Bertram Jacobus: hiya mick :-)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Wol Euler: hello mick
Mickorod Renard: hi Berty
Gaya Ethaniel: He's very intellectual as well. Have you read his blog?
Mickorod Renard: hi Wol Gaya Yaku Sophia
Wol Euler: no, didn't know he had one.
Bertram Jacobus: :-) (mick)
Wol Euler: it's not in his profile.
Mickorod Renard: ahh,,ur not talkin about me then
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol MIck
Mickorod Renard: he he
Bertram Jacobus: i didn´t know anything about such a blog, too until a few seconds ago ... ;-)
Mickorod Renard: tell me who this is pls?
Bertram Jacobus: doug
Gaya Ethaniel: http://www.dougcarmichael.com/blog/
Mickorod Renard: ohh
Mickorod Renard: dont know him
Wol Euler: ah, ty
Gaya Ethaniel: I found that link somewhere on wiki.
Gaya Ethaniel: doug Mick.
Gaya Ethaniel: One of the guardians.
Bertram Jacobus: hi ara ... :-)
Mickorod Renard: hi Ara
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Arabelle
arabella Ella: Hiya everyone
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi mick, ara

--BELL--

Arabella and Mickorod arrive, I had to leave a little early...

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello arabella :)
Wol Euler: sorry, back. I'd been reading.
Gaya Ethaniel: wb :) I'm lagging pretty badly here.
Bertram Jacobus: no sorry necessairy i think ! (?) ... :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: me too Gaya, it seems to be something with this time slot
arabella Ella: i'm lagging badly tonite too just crashed before coming here
Gaya Ethaniel shrugs ... evenings and weekends ... busy online ...
Mickorod Renard: wasnt he here same time yesterday?
Bertram Jacobus: gaya - what is the reason for your lags ? your computer or your connection ? what do you think ?
Wol Euler: he is often here afternoons and evenings, but only for 30 minutes a time
Gaya Ethaniel: My connection and computer is good ... doesn't matter.
Mickorod Renard: I am sure I have only seen him twice at most in all my time here
arabella Ella: my connection is wavering tonite
Mickorod Renard: mine seems ok
Gaya Ethaniel: It's better now yay! :)
arabella Ella: :)
Bertram Jacobus: :-))
Gaya Ethaniel: I'm not sure but doug doesn't seem to be particularly religious so that's also another point why I find him interesting :)
Gaya Ethaniel: And he likes gardening too. Who else in this group is into gardening?
arabella Ella loves gardening
Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)
arabella Ella: but a wasp stung me while gardening this afternoon and it was so painful
SophiaSharon Larnia: i like to putter in my yard but i wouldn't call it garden ing ;p
Mickorod Renard: I like gardening too
Gaya Ethaniel: aaww ... sorry to hear that arabella.
Gaya Ethaniel: wow ... many gardeners now with newish guardians!
arabella Ella: well i treated it immediately and life goes on
arabella Ella: and i still have a lovely hive on one of my plants which is so pretty
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: eeep ... a pretty hive.
arabella Ella: (not sure if it was a wasp or a bee)
Mickorod Renard: did it die?
arabella Ella: no
arabella Ella: i nearly did
Gaya Ethaniel: Apparently wasp continues to sting unlike bee? Never been stung.
arabella Ella: he he
Mickorod Renard: bee's die after stinging
Mickorod Renard: so it is said
arabella Ella: well it was so painful that i rushed off to put vinegar on it and to try to suck out sting
arabella Ella: so i have no idea what happened to the bee or wasp
SophiaSharon Larnia: i got stung twice in my house when i was sleeping last fall, and couldn't find the hive, still not sure what to do about it
Mickorod Renard: we used to have some real bad ones called fellon's
arabella Ella: human wasps Mick?
arabella Ella: relapsers?
SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
Mickorod Renard: almost as big
arabella Ella: :)
arabella Ella: i honestly think a hive is a work of art
Gaya Ethaniel: oh I remember ... how do you gardeners feel about weeds?
arabella Ella: so awesome
Gaya Ethaniel: Or weeding
arabella Ella: oh ... weeds
arabella Ella: mixed feelings
arabella Ella: some can be so pretty
Mickorod Renard: as a kid i loved weeds,,but I do find them hard work now
arabella Ella: others strangle the plants
SophiaSharon Larnia: i like some of them Gaya, the back part of my yard has the prettiest weeds :)
Gaya Ethaniel: oh
arabella Ella: i like wild plants in the countryside
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
Mickorod Renard: me too
Gaya Ethaniel: I wonder what 'weeds' represent in your gardens.
arabella Ella: different things in different parts of the world i guess
Mickorod Renard: I recon about 60%
Gaya Ethaniel: Things to get rid of or ... ?
arabella Ella: depends IMHO on what damage they cause (or dont) to other plants
Wol Euler: a weed is just a plant in the wrong place, a teacher told me once.
Gaya Ethaniel: I mean do you see weeding as inevitable?
arabella Ella: like if you try to grow roses in pots here ... the weeds may take all the water and nutrients
Wol Euler: strelizia (bird of paradise flower) are very expensive and exotic and rare here, but on the Canary Islands they are weeds, tehy grow by the roadside
arabella Ella: cool
Mickorod Renard: yes,,cigar plant is the same
Gaya Ethaniel nods. Australians call kangaroos pests.
Mickorod Renard: good to eat though
arabella Ella: not for vegitarians Mick
Bertram Jacobus: i´ll leave - have a nice time all and ty ...
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes Mick, if you have a license, you can go shoot them for farmers there.
Mickorod Renard: wow
Gaya Ethaniel: Good night Bertrum :)
arabella Ella: rabbit is a delicacy here and a pest in Oz
Mickorod Renard: nite bert
arabella Ella: nite Bertram
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Bertram
Gaya Ethaniel nods.
Wol Euler: bye bertram, take care
Gaya Ethaniel: So it's really relative thing then?
Bertram Jacobus: ty again all
Yakuzza Lethecus: nacht bert
Gaya Ethaniel: Relative to whatever goal weeds are against?
arabella Ella: well the way i see it roses grow so easily in the UK
arabella Ella: and here so difficult
SophiaSharon Larnia: I have to go too, nice to see you all !!!
arabella Ella: but geraniums grow like weeds here
Mickorod Renard: bye sophia
Gaya Ethaniel: Bye SophiaSharon :)
arabella Ella: and not so much in N Europe
arabella Ella: bye Sophia
SophiaSharon Larnia: b4n
Wol Euler: bye sophia, take care
Wol Euler: too late
Mickorod Renard: maybe there is a place for everything
Mickorod Renard: like they say ,,horses for courses

arabella Ella: how would you guys consider jelly fish?
arabella Ella: ooops
Gaya Ethaniel: Yum jelly fish!
Gaya Ethaniel: RL calls, good evening/night :)
arabella Ella: nite gaya!
Mickorod Renard: nite gatya
Wol Euler: bye gaya!
Wol Euler: sleep well
Gaya Ethaniel: Thank you Wol, you too :)
Wol Euler tweaks your tail one last time
Gaya Ethaniel: :P
Wol Euler: I love doing that :) it twitches when you click it.
Mickorod Renard: yes?
arabella Ella: really?
arabella Ella: dyin to try that now
arabella Ella: :)
Mickorod Renard: bet mine wud if I had one
arabella Ella: :)
Wol Euler: :)
arabella Ella: so Wol how was your trip?
arabella Ella: hope all went well
Wol Euler: ah, that seems so long ago already
arabella Ella: :)
Wol Euler: yes, it was highly wonderful.
arabella Ella: great
Mickorod Renard: I loved the water pistol fight u had at the end
arabella Ella: well I got back from a week in Spain 2 days ago and it already seems long time gone by
Wol Euler: I'm looking forward to doing it again next year (we decided the conference would be an annual event)
arabella Ella: water pistol fight?
Wol Euler smiles. The end of a perfect wedding.
arabella Ella: cool
arabella Ella: literally cool ... dying to cool down in this swealtering weather here ...
Wol Euler: homemade vows in their own back garden, then live music, sparklers, margaritas and waterpistol fights
arabella Ella: sounds perfect
arabella Ella: and no formalities?
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
Wol Euler: oh yes, sorta. there was a service performed in the garden
arabella Ella: nite Yak
Mickorod Renard: bye yaku,,keep well
Wol Euler: but the legal ceremony happened just last week, in San Franisco
Mickorod Renard: yaku seems very quiet lately
arabella Ella: oh i see
arabella Ella: so they had two ceremonies
Wol Euler: mmhmm
arabella Ella: interesting
Wol Euler: they can't legally marry in the state they live in :-/
arabella Ella: oh ok i see
arabella Ella: but at least they can legally marry elsewhere
Mickorod Renard: spoze it has to be documented
Wol Euler: insofar as anything has to be done at all ...
Wol Euler: my sister has been not-married to the same man for 25 years now. (shrugs)
arabella Ella: yes but lots of ppl prefer to legalise their relationship
arabella Ella: i guess its their decision
Wol Euler: but that is in Canada, where cohabitees have rights.
arabella Ella: oh i reckon cohabitation rights are very rare in most places
Mickorod Renard: I am married and have no rights
arabella Ella: you only have responsibilities and obligations Mick :)
Mickorod Renard: yea,,lots of them
arabella Ella: :)
arabella Ella: i suppose a lot of rights have to do with social security, welfare and inheritance
Wol Euler: and hospitalization. In many states, long-term cohabitees have no -right- to visit their partner in hospital
Mickorod Renard: wow
Wol Euler: to take one really crass and foolish example
arabella Ella: oh noooo
Wol Euler: pigheaded mean-spiritedness at its lowest.
Wol Euler breathes deeply and forces herself to relax.
arabella Ella: that is so ridiculous
Mickorod Renard: yes..I dont think I wud stand for that
arabella Ella: cos that also implies no rights to take decisions if the other partner is not in a state to decide due to medical or other reasons
Wol Euler: right.
Mickorod Renard: scarey
arabella Ella: well Wol, where I live we dont even have divorce can u imagine?
Wol Euler: heh
arabella Ella: one of the only two countries in the world with no divorce
Mickorod Renard: where I live you may as well not have marriage
arabella Ella: true Mick as Brits getter better social security as single parents
arabella Ella: some do so deliberately
Mickorod Renard: yes,,as in france
arabella Ella: ah
arabella Ella: fraid i must go bye wol
arabella Ella: lovely to see u back
Mickorod Renard: ok,,I have to go and feed the birds

Wol Euler: bye ara, take care. thank you!
Mickorod Renard: bye wol,,bye ara
Wol Euler: bye mick, enjoy the evening
Mickorod Renard: and you