2009.08.19 13:00 - universal love - really?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.


    Lia Rikugun: hello paul
    Paul Namiboo: Hi playasbeing.
    Lia Rikugun: actually my name is Lia ;)
    Lia Rikugun: have you been here in the pavillion before?
    Paul Namiboo: Hi Lia, I'm paul and I'm a beginner showing a colleague second life for the first time
    Lia Rikugun: ah nice
    Lia Rikugun: so how do you like it?
    Lia Rikugun: hello bertram
    Paul Namiboo: I was brought here yesterday by Doug Sosa
    Bertram Jacobus: hello all :-)
    Lia Rikugun: hello isadora
    Lia Rikugun: i met doug before:)
    Lia Rikugun: did doug tell you also about this group here?
    Paul Namiboo: Yes, and I met Isadora before
    Lia Rikugun: ok wonderful
    Lia Rikugun: so you know about play as being
    Isadora Davidov: Hello everyone
    Paul Namiboo: I've got to go see doug in the flesh soon -- is there any pressiing topic for today??
    Lia Rikugun: hm not from me
    Lia Rikugun: maybe bertram or isadora you would like to talk baout something
    Isadora Davidov: Well, I am just having trouble making my av do things
    Paul Namiboo: doug and I are trying to get a group we belong to, spread over much of the world, to meet in second life
    Lia Rikugun: hello wol nice to see you!
    Lia Rikugun: this is nice, second life is a very good method
    Bertram Jacobus: hey wol ! :-)
    Isadora Davidov: hello wol; what is the group you're referring to?
    Wol Euler: hello lia, isa, bertram, paul, qt
    Lia Rikugun: hello qt
    Qt Core: hi all
    Isadora Davidov: hello

    Paul Namiboo will start a new group in SL to assess human behavior, he will all invite us for this

    Paul Namiboo: If we get our prject going, we'll invite all you guys to join. It's to start a global assement of human behavior and how it blocks us from reaching a sustainable society
    Lia Rikugun: this is interesting
    Wol Euler: sounds very worthy.
    Isadora Davidov: Massive concept
    Bertram Jacobus: hi qt :-)
    Paul Namiboo: Well, I've got to go and help doug to persuade the otherss -- but I'll be back
    Isadora Davidov: OK!
    Paul Namiboo: Bye, and thanks!
    Lia Rikugun: ok see you sson again
    Wol Euler: hello doug, bye paul
    Lia Rikugun: hello doug
    Isadora Davidov: Wow..did you see him levitate?
    doug Sosa: hi
    Isadora Davidov: Hello
    Bertram Jacobus: hi doug ... :-)
    Wol Euler: um, why are you here if he left to help you?
    doug Sosa: cross purposes :)
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Isadora Davidov: What does it mean to "claim the session"?
    Wol Euler: declare onself to be the "guardian on call", i.e. the responsible person
    Isadora Davidov: Oh, thanks
    Wol Euler: who will maintain order here, and also post hte log on our website
    Bertram Jacobus: i just tried for future claims i shall do. sry. its to put it online if i understood that right isa
    Lia Rikugun: i will post the log ;)
    Isadora Davidov: THank you
    Bertram Jacobus: [canceld last question] ;o)
    doug Sosa: (i will need to leave at the bell. apologies.)
    Wol Euler: woo, spectral fox! great arrival.
    Fox Monacular: Hi everyone
    Bertram Jacobus: [bye doug]
    Bertram Jacobus: [and hi fox]
    Qt Core: hi fox

    Storm joins us in the pavillion and we all congratulate him to his wedding! AND his birthday! ;) and therefore we just had to celebrate by dancing....

    Bertram Jacobus: hy storm ... :-)
    Wol Euler: ah, hello Storm! I just sent you an e-mail ;)
    Storm Nordwind: Hello all
    Fox Monacular: Hi Storm
    Qt Core: hi Storm
    Lia Rikugun: hello fox hello storm
    Isadora Davidov: Hello
    Isadora Davidov: I am thrilled to be here with such a being..Fox
    Storm Nordwind: I had a ghost it seems :)
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: a very realistic one...
    Fox Monacular: :)
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Storm Nordwind: There were some very strange things going on a few days ago with SL
    Lia Rikugun: what was happening?
    Storm Nordwind: Bouncing me between sims
    Wol Euler: o.O
    Lia Rikugun: ooh
    Storm Nordwind: I have the land adjoining this in the adjacent sim. It was tping me from there to here and back
    Wol Euler: wow, how strange
    Storm Nordwind: Has the apparition gone?
    Isadora Davidov: Yes, I have seen your name elsewhere...including all the cushions
    Wol Euler: mmhmm, as soon as "you" logged in again
    Isadora Davidov: Are you the builder?
    Storm Nordwind: Then it seems I'm OK - thank you for your concern. And please don't let me further interrupt the flow of conversation
    Wol Euler smiles
    Storm Nordwind: I build a few things, yes, Isadora
    Isadora Davidov: I see
    Bertram Jacobus: helllo pila ... :-)
    Wol Euler: hello pila
    Fox Monacular: Hi Pila
    Isadora Davidov: Hello
    Pila Mulligan: greetings everyone - and Storm, a special hello and congratulations :)
    Pila Mulligan: first time since your wedding
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you so much Pila! :)
    Qt Core: hi Pila
    Lia Rikugun: hellopila
    Lia Rikugun: yes storm congrats again!
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you! :)
    Pila Mulligan: how's the cold?
    Storm Nordwind: And a double one... it is also my birthday today
    Pila Mulligan: oh wow
    Pila Mulligan: happy birthday :)
    Wol Euler: wow!
    Isadora Davidov: And many happy returns of hte day!
    Pila Mulligan: wish we could sing here
    Storm Nordwind: The cold has gone, and the altitude is acllimatized to for most things... aprt from exercising ;)
    Bertram Jacobus: uh. then i can´t stand it anymore lol : double best wishes from me, too storm ! ;-)
    Wol Euler: happy birthday, many happy returns
    Lia Rikugun: WOW
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you! :))
    Isadora Davidov: Well, someone showed me you can all dance
    Lia Rikugun: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
    Wol Euler: we can do better than mere dancing :)
    Wol Euler: we can do the
    Isadora Davidov: Could you all dance one time in clelebration?
    Qt Core: happy birthday
    Wol Euler: onigokko
    Fox Monacular: happy birthday
    Wol Euler: awww
    Lia Rikugun: ah too late
    Storm Nordwind: One more time please
    Wol Euler: stop
    Bertram Jacobus: lool :-)
    Pila Mulligan: just sec, we need to warm up
    Wol Euler grins and counts down...
    Isadora Davidov: I cannot hear the music
    Wol Euler: fox, do you have one?
    Fox Monacular: yes, I just put it on
    Lia Rikugun: and yu bertra,m?
    Bertram Jacobus: i was already started
    Bertram Jacobus: :o)
    Wol Euler: isa, you might have in-world sound effects turned off, click on the up.arrow next to the sound volume slider at the far right
    Lia Rikugun: ups ok ;)
    Pila Mulligan: a birthday and wedding dance for Storm then
    Wol Euler grins. Well, then.
    Storm Nordwind grins
    Wol Euler: onigokko
    Storm Nordwind: YAY!!!
    Pila Mulligan: yes :)
    Wol Euler laughs and laughs.
    Lia Rikugun: wuhuu
    Pila Mulligan: hauoli la hanau (happy bday in Hawaiian)
    Bertram Jacobus: heheeee :o)
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you Pila
    Pila Mulligan: stop
    Wol Euler: :)
    Pila Mulligan was getting winded :) too old
    Storm Nordwind gasps for breath
    Isadora Davidov: I ma deeply gratified...thank you!
    Pila Mulligan: you can click wear and the scrit will make your avi participate in the dance Isa
    Pila Mulligan: script*
    Lia Rikugun: here some flowers for you
    Fox Monacular: wow, what happened?
    Lia Rikugun: ;)
    Isadora Davidov: Yes, I was able to hear it...oh thank you
    Lia Rikugun: who gave this to me again? i forgot
    Pila Mulligan: Moon
    Lia Rikugun: oh yes thank you!
    Storm Nordwind: So good to be welcomed by so many good friends :))
    Wol Euler smiles
    Pila Mulligan: how does it feel to have finally reached age 40 Storm?
    Storm Nordwind laughs
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Storm Nordwind: I don't think I'm that in any number base Pila!
    Wol Euler grins
    Qt Core: but who reach who ? ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: hello mary :-)
    Pila Mulligan: hi mary
    Mary Korpov: Hello
    Lia Rikugun: hello mary
    Wol Euler: hello mary, welcome.
    Mary Korpov: thx

    Isadora raises the question if besides the Chat Logs there has been a consensus of PaB published somewhere

    Isadora Davidov: With so many active thinkers present, besides our conversations, has any written consensus emerged ...or are there just the recordings of the conversations?onsensus
    Pila Mulligan: interesting idea Isa
    Pila Mulligan: I never heard it posed before
    Storm Nordwind: You mean during the whole time since Play as Being started?
    Isadora Davidov: WYes, I have already "met" some sensitive and cogent thinkers
    Storm Nordwind: In a nutshell, I would condense it down to, "Play as Being is definitely worth a try!" ;)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Wol Euler: we could all agree on that, I htink.
    Pila Mulligan: we have yet to find a consensus on the menaing of life, however
    Pila Mulligan: but we never tried too
    Storm Nordwind: Or even a definition of what life may be :)
    Pila Mulligan: much less a definition of meaning :)
    Isadora Davidov: WEll, topics emerge and then one could sort of follow a thread...but I don't mean to restrict the structure
    Wol Euler: oh, there are many threads that repeat and continue.
    Wol Euler: Sophia's sessions on Islam and praryer, for example...
    Pila Mulligan: and enough acronyms to fill a coloseium
    Isadora Davidov: 1. Waht is life?,,,#2 The Meaning of LIfe (I think that has been covered by Monty Python...which explained it all to mje

    "god is love" - seems strange to Mary and we are starting a discussion...

    Wol Euler: or Geo's talks about Franciscan theology (god is love)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Lia Rikugun: butthere is the plan to write soem books
    Storm Nordwind: And one or two become spin-offs and end up in the Kira Cafe as workshops
    Isadora Davidov: Oh I see a great number of valuable talks already
    Mary Korpov: THat phrase "god is love" just struck me as very odd. I'm not sure why, and it is nothing new, but it seemed very strange to me.
    Isadora Davidov: So embedded in the culture for hundreds of years...
    Pila Mulligan: can you elaborate some Mary, please?
    Wol Euler: I paraphrased it pretty radically.
    Mary Korpov: I don't know if I can.
    Mary Korpov: First, I dont' believe in any god, so that's a problem. But I think of love as some sort of experience/abstraction. Not really as a thing.
    Isadora Davidov: But I think that's close to the central Franciscan approach, as opposed to the Scholastics very powerful at the time of Francis of ASsisi
    Storm Nordwind: It seems strange to me too, but probably only because the entity I know as described in scripture is very different from the idealised form hailed by modern people
    Mary Korpov: I'm not much of a scholar, so I don't know anything about scholastics
    Pila Mulligan: it is a phrase that grew somewhat in the liberal theology movements of the 60s
    Pila Mulligan: an attempt to find a substitute for the old man on the throne
    Mary Korpov: Well, the one in scripture seems to be the antithesis of love to me
    Pila Mulligan: yes, the desert god is aiferce god
    Isadora Davidov: Yes, the Old Man in the Sky (Christian art) or the Hebrew deity
    Pila Mulligan: but that was culutral as much as anyhting
    Pila Mulligan: Zeus was not so dry
    Storm Nordwind: Yes indeed Mary. And my personal experience backs that up, to me at least
    Mary Korpov: I'm not even sure that love is real
    Isadora Davidov: Yeah, Seus got around
    Isadora Davidov: Zeus
    Pila Mulligan: monotheism got off to a orugh start
    Pila Mulligan: rough*
    Storm Nordwind: monotheism came out of jealousy! :)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Isadora Davidov: It was hot, dry, rocky, there were all those Hittites!
    Isadora Davidov: I think the main ideas were the need for real estate (still a concern today) and establishing a moral code (and real estate)

    love in a general sense is more difficult to understand...

    Mary Korpov: I should say that I think love in the specifics is real. I love my family. But love in the general sense, doesn't make much sense to me. I don't really understand it.
    Storm Nordwind: So what is love? Is it a feeling? Or a wish for something?
    Lia Rikugun: hello hana
    Mary Korpov: Sounds like a song from the 60s
    Isadora Davidov: Hello
    Fox Monacular: maybe love is a state
    Hana Furlough: hi everyone
    Wol Euler: hello hana
    Bertram Jacobus: hi hana
    Bertram Jacobus: my idea is : love means being and coming together. unity in the end
    Isadora Davidov: AGain, such a broad term, heavily bruited about , which doesn't sustain a narrow single definition
    Mary Korpov: I'm not sure I have an idea of what love is.
    Pila Mulligan: the liberal theologians settled upon love as menaing 'to affirm reality'
    Wol Euler: maybe that's OK, Mary. Perhaps it'll come...
    Mary Korpov: I know I don't experience it in any general sense. I don't love anyone here, for example (no offense)
    Isadora Davidov: But "connection"..even basic recognition is signifcant
    Hana Furlough: wow pila, nice definition
    Pila Mulligan: so love was the ultimate reality = god
    Mary Korpov: I'm not sure I want it to come, Wol (although I'm not sure what that means)
    Pila Mulligan: almost daoist
    Fox Monacular: do you think christian idea of love is close to buddhist idea of interconnectedness?
    Isadora Davidov: Oddly, I have experienced peaceful acceptance here...considering my RL, that's really nice
    Pila Mulligan: closer to compassion maybe

    acceptance = love = peacefulness?

    Mary Korpov: Are acceptance and love and peacefulness the same thing?
    Fox Monacular: right, but in christianity compassion is also important, so I was resisting saying it
    Pila Mulligan: close, no dooubt
    Isadora Davidov: Yes, all of those are loving processes...
    Qt Core: i have to go, bye all
    Hana Furlough: bye qt
    Pila Mulligan: bye QT
    Bertram Jacobus: bye qt ...
    Mary Korpov: bye
    Lia Rikugun: bye qt
    Isadora Davidov: No, Mary not precisely, but without some degree of being at peace with whoever the being is...it's hard to sustain love
    Mary Korpov: I'm not sure I am capable of love in the big way
    Fox Monacular: and perhaps without love it's hard to be peaceful
    Pila Mulligan: are you familiar with the various Greek terms for love, Mary?
    Isadora Davidov: Oh Big Love...on a universal level...that is a great ideal
    Mary Korpov: Not so sure. I'm pretty peaceful, but not filled with love.
    Mary Korpov: You mean agape?
    Pila Mulligan: one of them, yes
    Mary Korpov: That's the only Greek I know.
    Pila Mulligan: English is limiting in the use of the word, by comparison
    Pila Mulligan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love
    Isadora Davidov: Eros
    Pila Mulligan: filios
    Mary Korpov: Isn't filios Latin?
    Pila Mulligan: yes, philia
    Storm Nordwind: If you are truly peaceful Mary, then happiness will spontaneously arise from that. And then perhaps the wish for the suffering of others to be ameliorated. If so, perhaps that is a kind of love.
    Pila Mulligan: thanks
    Bertram Jacobus: filius is latin and means son
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Mary Korpov: Well, I didn't say I wasn't happy. I just don't feel love for people I don't know
    Isadora Davidov: SEe what I mean...some very cogent thinkers here
    Isadora Davidov: Well, but does compassion arise when you see the suffering of other beings?
    Isadora Davidov: Compassion or pity?
    Mary Korpov: Not really
    Mary Korpov: It just is
    Storm Nordwind: For me it does

    universal love as tyranny? "you SHOULD love others" ...

    Mary Korpov: I've always felt that the idea that universal love is necessary is a kind of tyrrany
    Wol Euler: yes, it's not a constant condition for me. It arises in context
    Hana Furlough: how is that tyranny?
    Fox Monacular: can you say more, Mary?
    Storm Nordwind: And what on earth is "universal love"?
    Bertram Jacobus: i think i understand mary
    Mary Korpov: Hmm. I guess there is a sense that the idea that you SHOULD love others is a sort of tyrannical notion. Maybe I'm wrong, but Christians always make me feel that way
    Mary Korpov: I'm glad you do, Bertram, because I'm not sure that I do
    Lia Rikugun: maybe this love should not be understood just towards humans
    Hana Furlough: but that love doesn't come from a should
    Hana Furlough: it's just there
    Mary Korpov: Not there for me
    Fox Monacular: you CAN love others... but love can't be forced on you
    Lia Rikugun: it is just coming as you feel peaceful and accepting everything as it is
    Storm Nordwind: If that were the case Mary, I suspect that me new home country (where there seem to be many Christians) would be rather different than it is today
    Fox Monacular: it just happens...
    Isadora Davidov: I would just day "universal love" would be great compassion for all sentient beings...but that is good point Mary, the gap between an injunction and authentic feeling
    Mary Korpov: I think I accept everything as it is, but I don't feel any love for everything
    Bertram Jacobus: why not ? what you wrote before was clear to me : tyranny with the postulation of universal love. and i would agree - when that is postulated mary
    Mary Korpov: I just don't. It just is. No love, no anything. Just is.
    Storm Nordwind: As I have always said, the word "should" should be removed from the dictionary! ;)
    Fox Monacular: but even when someone says you 'should', you still have a choice and a possibility to critically examine your options
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Hana Furlough: do you ever question that 'just is' feeling?
    Isadora Davidov: Well how about your immediate circle of friends or family?
    Mary Korpov: Not really
    Bertram Jacobus: freedom is very important in this context also i think
    Bertram Jacobus: even a key
    Mary Korpov: As I said, I love my family
    Storm Nordwind: I think only my teacher gets away with saying "should" to me! ;)
    Fox Monacular: for me the idea of the universal love makes sense when you extend your connection to others beyond your family to all people...
    Mary Korpov: Why should I do that? I really dislike a lot of people
    Isadora Davidov: Maybe the term inevitable calls up an opposite: hate, intolerance
    Isadora Davidov: the term "love"
    Hana Furlough: mary do you like yourself?
    Fox Monacular: because family is still sort of 'ego'-related... people that have some direct relationship to 'me', so i love them

    can we love a child molester or a murderer?

    Mary Korpov: Sorry, but I cannot love a child molester or a murderer
    Fox Monacular: but if you go beyond that, then maybe it is some ther love
    Storm Nordwind: You may dislike those people, Mary, but do you like the fact that they also suffer?
    Mary Korpov: Do you want an honest answer?
    Lia Rikugun: (sorry, will have to go, bedtime soon ;)
    Isadora Davidov: Well, it is entirely organically normal to feel more loving and close to those you know who show love to you
    Bertram Jacobus: good night lia ! ... :-)
    Isadora Davidov: Goodbye
    Mary Korpov: Bye
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Pila Mulligan needs to slip away, rl calls -- bye for now :)
    Hana Furlough: goodnight lila
    Isadora Davidov: Goodbye
    Mary Korpov: bye
    Hana Furlough: bye pila

    is love only conditional?

    Fox Monacular: so are you saying Mary, that love is conditional?
    Isadora Davidov: Well, we are thoroughly "conditioned" and "conditional"
    Mary Korpov: I guess so. I certainly cannot love a child molester. And if someone hurts a child, I want that person to suffer
    Hana Furlough: can you understand why they do those things?
    Mary Korpov: Honestly, I don't care why they do those things. I just want them gone from the earth.
    Fox Monacular: so you only love some people close to you who also fit certain criteria?
    Mary Korpov: Sounds about right, Fox.
    Hana Furlough: how about wanting those things gone from this earth?
    Fox Monacular: so as soon as a person you love does something you dislike, you might just stop loving them?
    Mary Korpov: Can you explain that? I'm not sure I follow.
    Isadora Davidov: Well, feeling outrage against those who severely harm others is normal, also
    Fox Monacular: that's true, but it does not mean you cannot feel compassionate wowards them too
    Mary Korpov: I don't see it as bein quite that black and white. My children do things I don't like, but I still love them. But they are my children. Nothing could get me to love someone who hurts children.
    Storm Nordwind: It's normal Isadora, but very often it seems to perpetuate the outrage
    Isadora Davidov: I think the problem comes when we try to find a way to deal with those who harm others.
    Mary Korpov: I really don't see how I could feel compassion toward a child molester.
    Hana Furlough: what if you knew that he acted out of ignorance and suffering?
    Mary Korpov: Do you have children?
    Isadora Davidov: YEs, there's the normal human reactions and that is why we have worked to create a body of law (vs. blood vendetta)
    Fox Monacular: I'm pretty convinced that people wjo do evil things are suffering enormously themselves and that suffering leads them to do the deed
    Mary Korpov: But that is no excuse to injure someone else, particualrly an innocent child
    Hana Furlough: i agree fox
    Fox Monacular: no, no excuse, but these are human beings around us too
    Isadora Davidov: Yes, I would think they have suffered deeply, which is not the excuse so much as one possible reason/factor behind criminal acts
    Mary Korpov: Maybe that is the difference. I don't think someone who can hurt a child is a human being.
    Hana Furlough: it doesn't make it okay, but our hatred is not going to stop acts like that from happening
    Isadora Davidov: Precisely
    Storm Nordwind: One can hate the act without hating the person
    Mary Korpov: I'm fairly content to hate the person.
    Isadora Davidov: Well not fully human, but a damaged human...
    Fox Monacular: I think we should try to eliminate causes of profound distress that leads people to do such things, rather than just focus on the result
    Hana Furlough: i agree fox
    Mary Korpov: When it comes to children, not human at all in my view. I know I'm extreme on this, but it is how I feel.
    Isadora Davidov: Human in the Confucian sense (see the Analects)
    Fox Monacular: but we have to agree that human mind is also a dark terrotory...
    Fox Monacular: and only humans are capable to do some most terrible things
    Hana Furlough: right but we don't need to be afraid of that darkness
    Isadora Davidov: Just watch a few Ingmar Bergman films
    Fox Monacular: :)
    Mary Korpov: Yes. I believe that there is genuine evil in the world; or that some people are fundamentally evil. I cannot love someone who is evil.
    Bertram Jacobus: not fundamentally
    Storm Nordwind: There are plenty of "religious" people, Fox, that like to abdicate the responsibility for those terrible things to an outside force. Not them, in any case!
    Mary Korpov: I'm talking too much. Sorry.
    Hana Furlough: mary, can you think of an example of some kind of unchanging static evil in nature?
    Isadora Davidov: Mary, you are initiating all these major topics! All the big ones since time immemorial!
    Mary Korpov: A child molester
    Mary Korpov: Sorry. I didn't mean to initiate.
    Hana Furlough: are they unchaning?
    Hana Furlough: sorry * unchanging
    Isadora Davidov: No no...thats good!
    Bertram Jacobus: i´m thankful for your words mary. so much to learn from that and the reactions ...
    Isadora Davidov: I have to run...this has been an amzing conversation
    Mary Korpov: I should go. This discussion is frightening me.
    Hana Furlough: yes it's a very interesting topic
    Wol Euler: bye isa, take care.
    Wol Euler: huh
    Isadora Davidov: Oh dear!
    Hana Furlough: bye isa
    Bertram Jacobus: bye isa
    Wol Euler: I was listening, and wondered whether Mary wasn't conflating two entirely separate things.
    Storm Nordwind: Which two Wol?
    Wol Euler: what she called "universal love", compassion, does NOT mean that you like the person, nor that you approve of what they do.
    Wol Euler: whereas think romantic or erotic or even familial love does mean that. usually.
    Hana Furlough: interesting point
    Wol Euler: I think she thought she was being aasked to approve of child molesting.
    Hana Furlough: yeah i got that sense as well
    Storm Nordwind: Perhaps. Indetifying the person and act is fairly common
    Storm Nordwind: Even when we meet someone knew, we ask "What do you do?"
    Wol Euler nods
    Fox Monacular: yes
    Storm Nordwind: *new
    Bertram Jacobus: ok - i´ll leave. ty all for the great session :-) - may all beings be happy please
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Wol Euler: bye bertram, take care.
    Hana Furlough: bye bert
    Bertram Jacobus: cu ty :-)
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Hana Furlough: i should get back to work as well
    Hana Furlough: great discussion
    Hana Furlough: have a wonderful day
    Storm Nordwind: You too
    Wol Euler: bye hana, take care, work well
    Storm Nordwind: perhaps I should back to appreciating my birthday present instead of inciting a riot ;)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Fox Monacular: :)
    Wol Euler: enjoy the day, Storm, give yourself something nice too.
    Storm Nordwind: That's a good thought, thanks Wol! It's fortunate Fefonz is not here or he would turn green!
    Wol Euler: ah!
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Wol Euler: we won't tell.
    Storm Nordwind: You know the old guitars I got rid of and the amp and stack?
    Wol Euler: mmmmmmm?
    Storm Nordwind: I got a new guitar for my birthday :))
    Fox Monacular: :)
    Wol Euler: I guessed that! Good, nice.
    Storm Nordwind: But let's not tell him it's a Martin DC-AURA or he'll be very sick ;)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Fox Monacular: congratulations!
    Storm Nordwind beams
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you for the hospitality
    Storm Nordwind: Namaste
    Wol Euler: goodngiht storm, take care.
    Fox Monacular: good night storm, good night wol
    Wol Euler: 'night fox, sleep well.
    Fox Monacular: it's only 5:30 pm here:)
    Wol Euler: oh, I thought you were in Europe.
    Wol Euler: enjoy the evening, then :)
    Fox Monacular: that was a long time ago:)
    Wol Euler: ah ;)
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