2009.08.19 13:00 - universal love - really?

The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.

 

Lia Rikugun: hello paul
Paul Namiboo: Hi playasbeing.
Lia Rikugun: actually my name is Lia ;)
Lia Rikugun: have you been here in the pavillion before?
Paul Namiboo: Hi Lia, I'm paul and I'm a beginner showing a colleague second life for the first time
Lia Rikugun: ah nice
Lia Rikugun: so how do you like it?
Lia Rikugun: hello bertram
Paul Namiboo: I was brought here yesterday by Doug Sosa
Bertram Jacobus: hello all :-)
Lia Rikugun: hello isadora
Lia Rikugun: i met doug before:)
Lia Rikugun: did doug tell you also about this group here?
Paul Namiboo: Yes, and I met Isadora before
Lia Rikugun: ok wonderful
Lia Rikugun: so you know about play as being
Isadora Davidov: Hello everyone
Paul Namiboo: I've got to go see doug in the flesh soon -- is there any pressiing topic for today??
Lia Rikugun: hm not from me
Lia Rikugun: maybe bertram or isadora you would like to talk baout something
Isadora Davidov: Well, I am just having trouble making my av do things
Paul Namiboo: doug and I are trying to get a group we belong to, spread over much of the world, to meet in second life
Lia Rikugun: hello wol nice to see you!
Lia Rikugun: this is nice, second life is a very good method
Bertram Jacobus: hey wol ! :-)
Isadora Davidov: hello wol; what is the group you're referring to?
Wol Euler: hello lia, isa, bertram, paul, qt
Lia Rikugun: hello qt
Qt Core: hi all
Isadora Davidov: hello

Paul Namiboo will start a new group in SL to assess human behavior, he will all invite us for this

Paul Namiboo: If we get our prject going, we'll invite all you guys to join. It's to start a global assement of human behavior and how it blocks us from reaching a sustainable society
Lia Rikugun: this is interesting
Wol Euler: sounds very worthy.
Isadora Davidov: Massive concept
Bertram Jacobus: hi qt :-)
Paul Namiboo: Well, I've got to go and help doug to persuade the otherss -- but I'll be back
Isadora Davidov: OK!
Paul Namiboo: Bye, and thanks!
Lia Rikugun: ok see you sson again
Wol Euler: hello doug, bye paul
Lia Rikugun: hello doug
Isadora Davidov: Wow..did you see him levitate?
doug Sosa: hi
Isadora Davidov: Hello
Bertram Jacobus: hi doug ... :-)
Wol Euler: um, why are you here if he left to help you?
doug Sosa: cross purposes :)
Wol Euler: ah :)
Isadora Davidov: What does it mean to "claim the session"?
Wol Euler: declare onself to be the "guardian on call", i.e. the responsible person
Isadora Davidov: Oh, thanks
Wol Euler: who will maintain order here, and also post hte log on our website
Bertram Jacobus: i just tried for future claims i shall do. sry. its to put it online if i understood that right isa
Lia Rikugun: i will post the log ;)
Isadora Davidov: THank you
Bertram Jacobus: [canceld last question] ;o)
doug Sosa: (i will need to leave at the bell. apologies.)
Wol Euler: woo, spectral fox! great arrival.
--BELL--
Fox Monacular: Hi everyone
Bertram Jacobus: [bye doug]
Bertram Jacobus: [and hi fox]
Qt Core: hi fox

Storm joins us in the pavillion and we all congratulate him to his wedding! AND his birthday! ;) and therefore we just had to celebrate by dancing....

Bertram Jacobus: hy storm ... :-)
Wol Euler: ah, hello Storm! I just sent you an e-mail ;)
Storm Nordwind: Hello all
Fox Monacular: Hi Storm
Qt Core: hi Storm
Lia Rikugun: hello fox hello storm
Isadora Davidov: Hello
Isadora Davidov: I am thrilled to be here with such a being..Fox
Storm Nordwind: I had a ghost it seems :)
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: a very realistic one...
Fox Monacular: :)
Lia Rikugun: :)
Storm Nordwind: There were some very strange things going on a few days ago with SL
Lia Rikugun: what was happening?
Storm Nordwind: Bouncing me between sims
Wol Euler: o.O
Lia Rikugun: ooh
Storm Nordwind: I have the land adjoining this in the adjacent sim. It was tping me from there to here and back
Wol Euler: wow, how strange
Storm Nordwind: Has the apparition gone?
Isadora Davidov: Yes, I have seen your name elsewhere...including all the cushions
Wol Euler: mmhmm, as soon as "you" logged in again
Isadora Davidov: Are you the builder?
Storm Nordwind: Then it seems I'm OK - thank you for your concern. And please don't let me further interrupt the flow of conversation
Wol Euler smiles
Storm Nordwind: I build a few things, yes, Isadora
Isadora Davidov: I see
Bertram Jacobus: helllo pila ... :-)
Wol Euler: hello pila
Fox Monacular: Hi Pila
Isadora Davidov: Hello
Pila Mulligan: greetings everyone - and Storm, a special hello and congratulations :)
Pila Mulligan: first time since your wedding
Storm Nordwind: Thank you so much Pila! :)
Qt Core: hi Pila
Lia Rikugun: hellopila
Lia Rikugun: yes storm congrats again!
Storm Nordwind: Thank you! :)
Pila Mulligan: how's the cold?
Storm Nordwind: And a double one... it is also my birthday today
Pila Mulligan: oh wow
Pila Mulligan: happy birthday :)
Wol Euler: wow!
Isadora Davidov: And many happy returns of hte day!
Pila Mulligan: wish we could sing here
Storm Nordwind: The cold has gone, and the altitude is acllimatized to for most things... aprt from exercising ;)
Bertram Jacobus: uh. then i can´t stand it anymore lol : double best wishes from me, too storm ! ;-)
Wol Euler: happy birthday, many happy returns
Lia Rikugun: WOW
Storm Nordwind: Thank you! :))
Isadora Davidov: Well, someone showed me you can all dance
Lia Rikugun: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Wol Euler: we can do better than mere dancing :)
Wol Euler: we can do the
Isadora Davidov: Could you all dance one time in clelebration?
Qt Core: happy birthday
Wol Euler: onigokko
Fox Monacular: happy birthday
Wol Euler: awww
Lia Rikugun: ah too late
Storm Nordwind: One more time please
Wol Euler: stop
Bertram Jacobus: lool :-)
Pila Mulligan: just sec, we need to warm up
Wol Euler grins and counts down...
Isadora Davidov: I cannot hear the music
Wol Euler: fox, do you have one?
Fox Monacular: yes, I just put it on
Lia Rikugun: and yu bertra,m?
Bertram Jacobus: i was already started
Bertram Jacobus: :o)
Wol Euler: isa, you might have in-world sound effects turned off, click on the up.arrow next to the sound volume slider at the far right
Lia Rikugun: ups ok ;)
Pila Mulligan: a birthday and wedding dance for Storm then
Wol Euler grins. Well, then.
Storm Nordwind grins
Wol Euler: onigokko
Storm Nordwind: YAY!!!
Pila Mulligan: yes :)
Wol Euler laughs and laughs.
Lia Rikugun: wuhuu
Pila Mulligan: hauoli la hanau (happy bday in Hawaiian)
Bertram Jacobus: heheeee :o)
Storm Nordwind: Thank you Pila
Pila Mulligan: stop
Wol Euler: :)
Pila Mulligan was getting winded :) too old
Storm Nordwind gasps for breath
Isadora Davidov: I ma deeply gratified...thank you!
Pila Mulligan: you can click wear and the scrit will make your avi participate in the dance Isa
Pila Mulligan: script*
Lia Rikugun: here some flowers for you
Fox Monacular: wow, what happened?
Lia Rikugun: ;)
Isadora Davidov: Yes, I was able to hear it...oh thank you
Lia Rikugun: who gave this to me again? i forgot
Pila Mulligan: Moon
Lia Rikugun: oh yes thank you!
Storm Nordwind: So good to be welcomed by so many good friends :))
Wol Euler smiles
--BELL--
Pila Mulligan: how does it feel to have finally reached age 40 Storm?
Storm Nordwind laughs
Pila Mulligan: :)
Storm Nordwind: I don't think I'm that in any number base Pila!
Wol Euler grins
Qt Core: but who reach who ? ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: hello mary :-)
Pila Mulligan: hi mary
Mary Korpov: Hello
Lia Rikugun: hello mary
Wol Euler: hello mary, welcome.
Mary Korpov: thx

Isadora raises the question if besides the Chat Logs there has been a consensus of PaB published somewhere

Isadora Davidov: With so many active thinkers present, besides our conversations, has any written consensus emerged ...or are there just the recordings of the conversations?onsensus
Pila Mulligan: interesting idea Isa
Pila Mulligan: I never heard it posed before
Storm Nordwind: You mean during the whole time since Play as Being started?
Isadora Davidov: WYes, I have already "met" some sensitive and cogent thinkers
Storm Nordwind: In a nutshell, I would condense it down to, "Play as Being is definitely worth a try!" ;)
Pila Mulligan: :)
Wol Euler: we could all agree on that, I htink.
Pila Mulligan: we have yet to find a consensus on the menaing of life, however
Pila Mulligan: but we never tried too
Storm Nordwind: Or even a definition of what life may be :)
Pila Mulligan: much less a definition of meaning :)
Isadora Davidov: WEll, topics emerge and then one could sort of follow a thread...but I don't mean to restrict the structure
Wol Euler: oh, there are many threads that repeat and continue.
Wol Euler: Sophia's sessions on Islam and praryer, for example...
Pila Mulligan: and enough acronyms to fill a coloseium
Isadora Davidov: 1. Waht is life?,,,#2 The Meaning of LIfe (I think that has been covered by Monty Python...which explained it all to mje

"god is love" - seems strange to Mary and we are starting a discussion...

Wol Euler: or Geo's talks about Franciscan theology (god is love)
Pila Mulligan: :)
Lia Rikugun: butthere is the plan to write soem books
Storm Nordwind: And one or two become spin-offs and end up in the Kira Cafe as workshops
Isadora Davidov: Oh I see a great number of valuable talks already
Mary Korpov: THat phrase "god is love" just struck me as very odd. I'm not sure why, and it is nothing new, but it seemed very strange to me.
Isadora Davidov: So embedded in the culture for hundreds of years...
Pila Mulligan: can you elaborate some Mary, please?
Wol Euler: I paraphrased it pretty radically.
Mary Korpov: I don't know if I can.
Mary Korpov: First, I dont' believe in any god, so that's a problem. But I think of love as some sort of experience/abstraction. Not really as a thing.
Isadora Davidov: But I think that's close to the central Franciscan approach, as opposed to the Scholastics very powerful at the time of Francis of ASsisi
Storm Nordwind: It seems strange to me too, but probably only because the entity I know as described in scripture is very different from the idealised form hailed by modern people
Mary Korpov: I'm not much of a scholar, so I don't know anything about scholastics
Pila Mulligan: it is a phrase that grew somewhat in the liberal theology movements of the 60s
Pila Mulligan: an attempt to find a substitute for the old man on the throne
Mary Korpov: Well, the one in scripture seems to be the antithesis of love to me
Pila Mulligan: yes, the desert god is aiferce god
Isadora Davidov: Yes, the Old Man in the Sky (Christian art) or the Hebrew deity
Pila Mulligan: but that was culutral as much as anyhting
Pila Mulligan: Zeus was not so dry
Storm Nordwind: Yes indeed Mary. And my personal experience backs that up, to me at least
Mary Korpov: I'm not even sure that love is real
Isadora Davidov: Yeah, Seus got around
Isadora Davidov: Zeus
Pila Mulligan: monotheism got off to a orugh start
Pila Mulligan: rough*
Storm Nordwind: monotheism came out of jealousy! :)
Pila Mulligan: :)
Isadora Davidov: It was hot, dry, rocky, there were all those Hittites!
--BELL--
Isadora Davidov: I think the main ideas were the need for real estate (still a concern today) and establishing a moral code (and real estate)

love in a general sense is more difficult to understand...

Mary Korpov: I should say that I think love in the specifics is real. I love my family. But love in the general sense, doesn't make much sense to me. I don't really understand it.
Storm Nordwind: So what is love? Is it a feeling? Or a wish for something?
Lia Rikugun: hello hana
Mary Korpov: Sounds like a song from the 60s
Isadora Davidov: Hello
Fox Monacular: maybe love is a state
Hana Furlough: hi everyone
Wol Euler: hello hana
Bertram Jacobus: hi hana
Bertram Jacobus: my idea is : love means being and coming together. unity in the end
Isadora Davidov: AGain, such a broad term, heavily bruited about , which doesn't sustain a narrow single definition
Mary Korpov: I'm not sure I have an idea of what love is.
Pila Mulligan: the liberal theologians settled upon love as menaing 'to affirm reality'
Wol Euler: maybe that's OK, Mary. Perhaps it'll come...
Mary Korpov: I know I don't experience it in any general sense. I don't love anyone here, for example (no offense)
Isadora Davidov: But "connection"..even basic recognition is signifcant
Hana Furlough: wow pila, nice definition
Pila Mulligan: so love was the ultimate reality = god
Mary Korpov: I'm not sure I want it to come, Wol (although I'm not sure what that means)
Pila Mulligan: almost daoist
Fox Monacular: do you think christian idea of love is close to buddhist idea of interconnectedness?
Isadora Davidov: Oddly, I have experienced peaceful acceptance here...considering my RL, that's really nice
Pila Mulligan: closer to compassion maybe

acceptance = love = peacefulness?

Mary Korpov: Are acceptance and love and peacefulness the same thing?
Fox Monacular: right, but in christianity compassion is also important, so I was resisting saying it
Pila Mulligan: close, no dooubt
Isadora Davidov: Yes, all of those are loving processes...
Qt Core: i have to go, bye all
Hana Furlough: bye qt
Pila Mulligan: bye QT
Bertram Jacobus: bye qt ...
Mary Korpov: bye
Lia Rikugun: bye qt
Isadora Davidov: No, Mary not precisely, but without some degree of being at peace with whoever the being is...it's hard to sustain love
Mary Korpov: I'm not sure I am capable of love in the big way
Fox Monacular: and perhaps without love it's hard to be peaceful
Pila Mulligan: are you familiar with the various Greek terms for love, Mary?
Isadora Davidov: Oh Big Love...on a universal level...that is a great ideal
Mary Korpov: Not so sure. I'm pretty peaceful, but not filled with love.
Mary Korpov: You mean agape?
Pila Mulligan: one of them, yes
Mary Korpov: That's the only Greek I know.
Pila Mulligan: English is limiting in the use of the word, by comparison
Pila Mulligan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love
Isadora Davidov: Eros
Pila Mulligan: filios
Mary Korpov: Isn't filios Latin?
Pila Mulligan: yes, philia
Storm Nordwind: If you are truly peaceful Mary, then happiness will spontaneously arise from that. And then perhaps the wish for the suffering of others to be ameliorated. If so, perhaps that is a kind of love.
Pila Mulligan: thanks
Bertram Jacobus: filius is latin and means son
Pila Mulligan: :)
Mary Korpov: Well, I didn't say I wasn't happy. I just don't feel love for people I don't know
Isadora Davidov: SEe what I mean...some very cogent thinkers here
Isadora Davidov: Well, but does compassion arise when you see the suffering of other beings?
Isadora Davidov: Compassion or pity?
Mary Korpov: Not really
Mary Korpov: It just is
Storm Nordwind: For me it does

universal love as tyranny? "you SHOULD love others" ...

Mary Korpov: I've always felt that the idea that universal love is necessary is a kind of tyrrany
Wol Euler: yes, it's not a constant condition for me. It arises in context
Hana Furlough: how is that tyranny?
Fox Monacular: can you say more, Mary?
Storm Nordwind: And what on earth is "universal love"?
Bertram Jacobus: i think i understand mary
Mary Korpov: Hmm. I guess there is a sense that the idea that you SHOULD love others is a sort of tyrannical notion. Maybe I'm wrong, but Christians always make me feel that way
Mary Korpov: I'm glad you do, Bertram, because I'm not sure that I do
Lia Rikugun: maybe this love should not be understood just towards humans
Hana Furlough: but that love doesn't come from a should
Hana Furlough: it's just there
Mary Korpov: Not there for me
Fox Monacular: you CAN love others... but love can't be forced on you
Lia Rikugun: it is just coming as you feel peaceful and accepting everything as it is
Storm Nordwind: If that were the case Mary, I suspect that me new home country (where there seem to be many Christians) would be rather different than it is today
Fox Monacular: it just happens...
Isadora Davidov: I would just day "universal love" would be great compassion for all sentient beings...but that is good point Mary, the gap between an injunction and authentic feeling
Mary Korpov: I think I accept everything as it is, but I don't feel any love for everything
Bertram Jacobus: why not ? what you wrote before was clear to me : tyranny with the postulation of universal love. and i would agree - when that is postulated mary
Mary Korpov: I just don't. It just is. No love, no anything. Just is.
Storm Nordwind: As I have always said, the word "should" should be removed from the dictionary! ;)
Fox Monacular: but even when someone says you 'should', you still have a choice and a possibility to critically examine your options
Lia Rikugun: :)
Hana Furlough: do you ever question that 'just is' feeling?
Isadora Davidov: Well how about your immediate circle of friends or family?
Mary Korpov: Not really
--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: freedom is very important in this context also i think
Bertram Jacobus: even a key
Mary Korpov: As I said, I love my family
Storm Nordwind: I think only my teacher gets away with saying "should" to me! ;)
Fox Monacular: for me the idea of the universal love makes sense when you extend your connection to others beyond your family to all people...
Mary Korpov: Why should I do that? I really dislike a lot of people
Isadora Davidov: Maybe the term inevitable calls up an opposite: hate, intolerance
Isadora Davidov: the term "love"
Hana Furlough: mary do you like yourself?
Fox Monacular: because family is still sort of 'ego'-related... people that have some direct relationship to 'me', so i love them

can we love a child molester or a murderer?

Mary Korpov: Sorry, but I cannot love a child molester or a murderer
Fox Monacular: but if you go beyond that, then maybe it is some ther love
Storm Nordwind: You may dislike those people, Mary, but do you like the fact that they also suffer?
Mary Korpov: Do you want an honest answer?
Lia Rikugun: (sorry, will have to go, bedtime soon ;)
Isadora Davidov: Well, it is entirely organically normal to feel more loving and close to those you know who show love to you
Bertram Jacobus: good night lia ! ... :-)
Isadora Davidov: Goodbye
Mary Korpov: Bye
Storm Nordwind waves
Pila Mulligan needs to slip away, rl calls -- bye for now :)
Hana Furlough: goodnight lila
Isadora Davidov: Goodbye
Mary Korpov: bye
Hana Furlough: bye pila

is love only conditional?

Fox Monacular: so are you saying Mary, that love is conditional?
Isadora Davidov: Well, we are thoroughly "conditioned" and "conditional"
Mary Korpov: I guess so. I certainly cannot love a child molester. And if someone hurts a child, I want that person to suffer
Hana Furlough: can you understand why they do those things?
Mary Korpov: Honestly, I don't care why they do those things. I just want them gone from the earth.
Fox Monacular: so you only love some people close to you who also fit certain criteria?
Mary Korpov: Sounds about right, Fox.
Hana Furlough: how about wanting those things gone from this earth?
Fox Monacular: so as soon as a person you love does something you dislike, you might just stop loving them?
Mary Korpov: Can you explain that? I'm not sure I follow.
Isadora Davidov: Well, feeling outrage against those who severely harm others is normal, also
Fox Monacular: that's true, but it does not mean you cannot feel compassionate wowards them too
Mary Korpov: I don't see it as bein quite that black and white. My children do things I don't like, but I still love them. But they are my children. Nothing could get me to love someone who hurts children.
Storm Nordwind: It's normal Isadora, but very often it seems to perpetuate the outrage
Isadora Davidov: I think the problem comes when we try to find a way to deal with those who harm others.
Mary Korpov: I really don't see how I could feel compassion toward a child molester.
Hana Furlough: what if you knew that he acted out of ignorance and suffering?
Mary Korpov: Do you have children?
Isadora Davidov: YEs, there's the normal human reactions and that is why we have worked to create a body of law (vs. blood vendetta)
Fox Monacular: I'm pretty convinced that people wjo do evil things are suffering enormously themselves and that suffering leads them to do the deed
Mary Korpov: But that is no excuse to injure someone else, particualrly an innocent child
Hana Furlough: i agree fox
Fox Monacular: no, no excuse, but these are human beings around us too
Isadora Davidov: Yes, I would think they have suffered deeply, which is not the excuse so much as one possible reason/factor behind criminal acts
Mary Korpov: Maybe that is the difference. I don't think someone who can hurt a child is a human being.
Hana Furlough: it doesn't make it okay, but our hatred is not going to stop acts like that from happening
Isadora Davidov: Precisely
Storm Nordwind: One can hate the act without hating the person
Mary Korpov: I'm fairly content to hate the person.
Isadora Davidov: Well not fully human, but a damaged human...
Fox Monacular: I think we should try to eliminate causes of profound distress that leads people to do such things, rather than just focus on the result
Hana Furlough: i agree fox
Mary Korpov: When it comes to children, not human at all in my view. I know I'm extreme on this, but it is how I feel.
Isadora Davidov: Human in the Confucian sense (see the Analects)
Fox Monacular: but we have to agree that human mind is also a dark terrotory...
Fox Monacular: and only humans are capable to do some most terrible things
Hana Furlough: right but we don't need to be afraid of that darkness
Isadora Davidov: Just watch a few Ingmar Bergman films
Fox Monacular: :)
Mary Korpov: Yes. I believe that there is genuine evil in the world; or that some people are fundamentally evil. I cannot love someone who is evil.
Bertram Jacobus: not fundamentally
Storm Nordwind: There are plenty of "religious" people, Fox, that like to abdicate the responsibility for those terrible things to an outside force. Not them, in any case!
Mary Korpov: I'm talking too much. Sorry.
Hana Furlough: mary, can you think of an example of some kind of unchanging static evil in nature?
Isadora Davidov: Mary, you are initiating all these major topics! All the big ones since time immemorial!
Mary Korpov: A child molester
Mary Korpov: Sorry. I didn't mean to initiate.
Hana Furlough: are they unchaning?
Hana Furlough: sorry * unchanging
Isadora Davidov: No no...thats good!
Bertram Jacobus: i´m thankful for your words mary. so much to learn from that and the reactions ...
Isadora Davidov: I have to run...this has been an amzing conversation
Mary Korpov: I should go. This discussion is frightening me.
Hana Furlough: yes it's a very interesting topic
Wol Euler: bye isa, take care.
Wol Euler: huh
Isadora Davidov: Oh dear!
Hana Furlough: bye isa
--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: bye isa
Wol Euler: I was listening, and wondered whether Mary wasn't conflating two entirely separate things.
Storm Nordwind: Which two Wol?
Wol Euler: what she called "universal love", compassion, does NOT mean that you like the person, nor that you approve of what they do.
Wol Euler: whereas think romantic or erotic or even familial love does mean that. usually.
Hana Furlough: interesting point
Wol Euler: I think she thought she was being aasked to approve of child molesting.
Hana Furlough: yeah i got that sense as well
Storm Nordwind: Perhaps. Indetifying the person and act is fairly common
Storm Nordwind: Even when we meet someone knew, we ask "What do you do?"
Wol Euler nods
Fox Monacular: yes
Storm Nordwind: *new
Bertram Jacobus: ok - i´ll leave. ty all for the great session :-) - may all beings be happy please
Storm Nordwind smiles
Wol Euler: bye bertram, take care.
Hana Furlough: bye bert
Bertram Jacobus: cu ty :-)
Storm Nordwind waves
Hana Furlough: i should get back to work as well
Hana Furlough: great discussion
Hana Furlough: have a wonderful day
Storm Nordwind: You too
Wol Euler: bye hana, take care, work well
Storm Nordwind: perhaps I should back to appreciating my birthday present instead of inciting a riot ;)
Wol Euler: :)
Fox Monacular: :)
Wol Euler: enjoy the day, Storm, give yourself something nice too.
Storm Nordwind: That's a good thought, thanks Wol! It's fortunate Fefonz is not here or he would turn green!
Wol Euler: ah!
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Wol Euler: we won't tell.
Storm Nordwind: You know the old guitars I got rid of and the amp and stack?
Wol Euler: mmmmmmm?
Storm Nordwind: I got a new guitar for my birthday :))
Fox Monacular: :)
Wol Euler: I guessed that! Good, nice.
Storm Nordwind: But let's not tell him it's a Martin DC-AURA or he'll be very sick ;)
Wol Euler: :)
Fox Monacular: congratulations!
Storm Nordwind beams
Storm Nordwind: Thank you for the hospitality
Storm Nordwind: Namaste
Wol Euler: goodngiht storm, take care.
Fox Monacular: good night storm, good night wol
Wol Euler: 'night fox, sleep well.
Fox Monacular: it's only 5:30 pm here:)
Wol Euler: oh, I thought you were in Europe.
Wol Euler: enjoy the evening, then :)
Fox Monacular: that was a long time ago:)
Wol Euler: ah ;)