2009.08.23 01:00 - About media and something else

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Susi Alcott. The comments are by Susi Alcott.

    From stars the topic started; did it end up to the 'stars' in media; up to you to 'judge'

    Want to thank Qt, Yakuzza and Wol to take part to this meeting.

    Thank you very much for the pleasent moment.

    To you who read the log; feel free to add any thoughts you wish to add; the text is not modified at all.


    Susi Alcott


    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: Hello Qt
    Qt Core: Hi Susi
    Susi Alcott: what does that 'IYA 2009' mean ?
    Qt Core: International Year of Astronomy, check my picks for more
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Qt Core: the rl amateur astromomer club i'm member of did/will do several activities that got the official branding from the italian branch of the organization
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: few years back there was news in Finland that all such places that one can study astronomy was full, and many willing ones didn't get the opportunity
    Susi Alcott: 'they' took also that to be news that most of these students were young women
    Susi Alcott: the most common comment from them to the question ; 'why', was this; 'I want to study from where I come from'
    Qt Core: here not many women are interested.... dark Finland sky and girls interested in astronomy... i think i have to catch an airplane now ;-)
    Susi Alcott: smiles *
    Susi Alcott: welcome to Turku; can offer you a free waterbed *
    Qt Core: i suppose that outside cities you have really dark sky, here we have some light pollution issues
    Susi Alcott: such issues we dont have and Turku is also known as 'the city of seven hills'
    Qt Core: like Rome ;-)
    Susi Alcott: one of them is called 'startower hill'
    Susi Alcott: because there is this 'observatorio'...donno it in english
    Susi Alcott: Hello Yakuzza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good morning
    Qt Core: Hi Yakuzza
    Susi Alcott: but think you 'guess' it also from finnish word
    Qt Core: yes, "osservatorio" in italian ;-)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: but thinking that you'de need then to prepare to 'multi attack' by girls cuz Ur from Italy :)*
    Qt Core: ;-)
    Susi Alcott: well; not connected to astronomy by most of the people---I assume---but the picture in your profile looked at first (before it rezzed well) like the crop circle; have you any thought of them ?
    Qt Core: hoaxes
    Susi Alcott: can you say that with some other words ? (have not yet noticed to by the translator to 'myself' ...noticed now that to be possible too )
    Qt Core: i think they are fake, or maybe some ritual from some strange cult (more probable then an alien origin)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey wol
    Wol Euler: hello susi, qt, yakuzza
    Susi Alcott: Hello Wol :)
    Qt Core: what would they mean if their origin would be alien ? the few i've seen (not personally) can't be some exaust pattern what warped technology would need suck kind of design ?
    Qt Core: hi wol
    Susi Alcott: there is this person Martin Keitel in Finland; he's famous of his examinings of them crop circles; he is a friend to me
    Susi Alcott: he accepted the thought that they are messages
    Susi Alcott: he's examined them for more than 15 years
    Susi Alcott: he sais he's been on fake and genuin crop circles
    Susi Alcott: and knows the difference how they have been created
    Susi Alcott: but...well...this kind of information is sure very personal choice how to think
    Susi Alcott: (sometimes wondered them farmers anger for this activity)
    Susi Alcott: but yes; know 'millions' of people having intrerest to stars (myself included) but I have not had time to study them; only admire
    Susi Alcott: ...I saw U to write 'long time' but didn't get any lines onto my chat....
    Qt Core: (was called away)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i just watched a report where they interviewed ppl creating fake crop circles, then they interviewed the visitors claiming that it´s not a fake
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and even the dog´s had anti wave clothing :)=
    Susi Alcott: interesting
    Wol Euler smiles
    Susi Alcott: do you know the reason to that special clothing ?
    Qt Core: i just think that alens with the technology to come here from light years away won't be seen if they don't want to be see and that if they want to be see they would land in front of the UN building, not playing riddles
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i look for the report, but it was in the german tv show ,,weltspiegel"
    Qt Core: that is if they didn't just want to annihilate uss ;-) (but why ?)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: http://mediathek.daserste.de/daserst...=&goto=1&show=
    Yakuzza Lethecus: if german doesn´t bother
    Susi Alcott: sometimes people's face tells more than there words :)
    Susi Alcott: ah yes; I've thought that if such beings having such technology would like to hurt anything here, they could've done that 'ages ago'
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the dog in the end of the clip had that protection because the crop circle changes the biochemistry of the body, at least that was what that woman claiming about how own body :)
    Susi Alcott: looked a moment of that video....
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s the dog in the end not the beagle in the beginning
    Susi Alcott: guessed something like that
    Wol Euler: I'm curious now to hear how they discovered the biochemical effects of the circle.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the energy points in her hand :)
    Wol Euler: ah.
    Qt Core: in my town there is a person (that we invited at our astronomy club to speak) that say that UFO come to dance in the sky just inside the sky area he can see from one of his house wondows
    Susi Alcott: ah well; then I also must be 'poisoned' cuz I've visited such as there was few in Finland too :)
    Qt Core: we offered to borrow him some of hour telescopes and instruments and some of uor best members help but he refused... ;-)
    Susi Alcott: the 'cut' which showed more of the ground tells me that this Martin would say this to be the face
    Susi Alcott: as he sais that the genuin once are not cut like these straws was cut near by the ground
    Susi Alcott: but that was interesting to see; the video I mean
    Susi Alcott: have not got any new news for long time of the intrest of these things
    Susi Alcott: well; did he tell any reason to his refusing ?
    Susi Alcott: ah: Martin wouln't say 'face'...typo...but fake
    Susi Alcott: (pondering a bit of the purpose of the person who brings the thought that one needs protection to body)
    Susi Alcott: hm...is this video all what was showen in TV ?
    Qt Core: in the (so called) real ones there is radiation
    Qt Core: ops
    Susi Alcott: well...just cannot think such radiation that would be hurtfull and not able to measure by them scientists
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, but the dog looks sweat in the suit :)
    Susi Alcott: lol
    Susi Alcott: well...on the other hand...why to take innocent animal onto such dangerous area...as the body was not covered well--imo--:)
    Qt Core: a few years ago i saw a tv-show about making "fake" circles and they even spread some radioactive material to have a more authentic feeling
    Susi Alcott: oh heavens...
    Susi Alcott: oh heavens...
    Susi Alcott: was not that very dangerous ?
    Susi Alcott: to themselves too...
    Qt Core: nothing dangerous, they were physics professors and they knew what they were doing... or so they said
    Susi Alcott: ...heared only about hurtfull stories also from the area in which there is such powerplant and people working there have physical problems, but sure that's 'only' what I've heared
    Wol Euler: actually that "protective clothing" on the dog looks like a normal raincoat to me.
    Susi Alcott: to me too
    Wol Euler: a protective suit would also cover its legs and head, don't you think?
    Susi Alcott: that's what I thought too yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nods :)
    Susi Alcott: but yes; in the first place, if one knows some area to be dangerous...cannot understand why to take a pet onto such place
    Susi Alcott: ah; cannot think but that it's like some theatre play....
    Wol Euler nods
    Susi Alcott: have often thought how odd things people are ready to do just to get themself to TV ....
    Wol Euler: such desperation for "fame"
    Susi Alcott: _/!\
    Wol Euler: I think the same of the reports in "news"-papers of somebody dating someone else, or who cheated on whom
    Susi Alcott: ah yes, but that is something that sells the papers huge much
    Wol Euler: How desperate for attention must you be, to surrender your entire privacy to the world like that.
    Wol Euler: yes, but why do the people involved take part?
    Susi Alcott: so people commonly are curious of such stories....
    Wol Euler: how does the newpaper get to know that A is dating B?
    Wol Euler: my assumption is that either A or B tells them.
    Susi Alcott: think that it's 'concolation' to own life's drama...
    Susi Alcott: but one particular reason I've 'found' to be to such news....imo...
    Susi Alcott: as that our prime minister has wanted them papers to speak of dramas in his lovelife in order to 'turn' people's attention from what he's truly doing as the prime minister....
    Wol Euler: true, politicians as a rule have no shame anyway.
    Susi Alcott: ańd yes; there's been 'few' dramas; read only them headlines in the foodstore :)
    Susi Alcott: I also was at first so surprised that one of them men who was to elect to European commitee, released the news that he has bought sex
    Susi Alcott: but then I realized that it was adwertizing
    Susi Alcott: as the matter in fact is that most of the people in Finland do laugh to such 'news'
    Susi Alcott: cuz it's been 'always' so 'known' that to happen
    Susi Alcott: as we have the saying that 'the more high man, the more needs to that'
    Qt Core: i've learned that the best way to evade such silly news (and fashion too) is to hear the news program at the radio, skipping the tv ones
    Wol Euler nods
    Susi Alcott: oh
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, but for example the ,,tagesschau" is also relativly free from that
    Yakuzza Lethecus: what means öffentlich rechntliches fernsehen in english wol ?
    Susi Alcott: ah; in Finland there's not much differencies between different media
    Wol Euler: public TV (not commercial)
    Qt Core: and hearing them from politicized radio station (one from the left side and one from the right one ) is even better, they have a message to send, so for example they almost skip all the useless sport news
    Susi Alcott: 'they' all speak the same
    Wol Euler: publicly owned, no ads
    Susi Alcott: ah; so you have such media that tell's important things
    Qt Core: we have ads even on pubicy owned radio/tv (almost the same amount)
    Susi Alcott: here in Finland we hear such only concerning other countries
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but they also charge you for that as soon as your capable to recieve it :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so there are 2 sides :)
    Wol Euler: true :)
    Wol Euler: even if you don't have a TV!
    Qt Core: same here yak, just owning a pc as it has a monitor oblige you to pay the tv tax
    Wol Euler: because all computers today are theoretically capable of receiving TV broadcasts.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you have a car radio ?
    Wol Euler: right
    Susi Alcott: (dont have anymore)
    Susi Alcott: (TV I mean)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you have to pay less here when you only owe a radio and i don´t know if they skipped the fee for internet capable pc´s
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but it was already introduced and in front of courts
    Wol Euler: no, the fee applies to computers to
    Wol Euler: *too
    Susi Alcott: in Finland one must pay taxes only for TV; the radio was released of that many many years back
    Qt Core: you have to pay it even if yoiu only have a phone able to receive video
    Susi Alcott: that's something that they are planning now here in Finland
    Wol Euler: you must organize against it!
    Susi Alcott: but so far 'they' tax 'only' the car owners specially
    Wol Euler: don't let that get started there too.
    Qt Core: and now there is the digital tv fun approaching ;-)
    Susi Alcott: that we have already here in Finland
    Yakuzza Lethecus: my problem is that they also make ,,entertainment" so tele novela´s and that kinda crap in the public television
    Qt Core: some areas have it already for some channel
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so they introduce the same stuff thats popular in the private media
    Susi Alcott: kk
    Wol Euler: right, I'd be happy to pay for Arte, but not for that shit.
    Qt Core: public and private tv are 95% the same thing here, you will not notice the difference if no one tells you
    Susi Alcott: we have 2 channels own by 'the nation'; they do not advertize; that's the only difference
    Susi Alcott: (Susi's mind 'circles' back to the crop circles...as they also are media at least 'between' people)
    Qt Core: our dear premierjust explained us that the 3 state tv should not criticize him... the 3 national tv he persoinally own never did that... obviously ;-)
    Wol Euler: well, your dear premier is a criminal, a fraud and thief and a bully.
    Susi Alcott: that's also something we've pondered here in Finland that 'how come that can come true'...but if there's more channels...'what a heck' like Arch sais
    Qt Core: (and has no real style too)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but bad boys are popular :)
    Susi Alcott: ah; just heared of somebody that has been elected only cuz he was honest; he told that he wants people to give much money to him :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i would say that he got style and that is the problem with him
    Yakuzza Lethecus: everyone knows and still he got electet egain
    Qt Core: sometimes he just open his mouth and say things of such bad taste, not only wrong just an example
    Susi Alcott: ah yes; human mind can be tricky to understand
    Qt Core: we had a earthquake some month ago with death and destruction what he said to the people living in the tends ? to enkoy the camping
    Qt Core: enjoy
    Qt Core: (not so brutally but almost)
    Wol Euler nods.
    Susi Alcott: ...sad...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: he´s like an actor who´s only famous for playing the ,,bad people"
    Qt Core: that is the style he lacks, i don't mind (well, i do) his evilness, but just look ad movie evil ovberlord... he has more speachwriters than those movie screen writers !
    Susi Alcott: ...so could it be so that people are so afraid that they 'must' elect him again and again ?
    Qt Core: (trying to make this fun to not get too angry)
    Wol Euler smiles and nods
    Wol Euler: emotions get in the way.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i think in those cases about ,,dieter bohlen" i guess nobody knows him outside germany
    Yakuzza Lethecus: he´s just popular for being rude
    Susi Alcott: hm...thinking that we all here could take even if U'de 'blow out' some anger for him....
    Qt Core: i think people thinks they are all smart and that if he make the coun try apt to this kind of smartness they copuld become rich
    Qt Core: (my mistake ratio increase the more i'm emotional ;-) )
    Susi Alcott: that's one thought model to understand too ; sure
    Wol Euler: QT, that's the "body language" of SL :)
    Qt Core: nobody would admit he could become the victim of such a system
    Qt Core: right WOl :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: anyway, have a nice sunday everyone
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Wol Euler: bye yak
    Wol Euler: that was fast :)
    Qt Core: i have to goo too... if i want to eat something to eat i really have to start cooking ;-)
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Susi Alcott: bon apetite Qt :)
    Wol Euler: enjoy lunch, qt.
    Qt Core: i will :-)
    Qt Core: Ciao
    Wol Euler: I should get moving too, I have to work this afternoon.
    Wol Euler: bye qt, bye susi.
    Susi Alcott: Ciao
    Wol Euler: bfn
    Susi Alcott: enjoy the work Wol :)
    Wol Euler: heh, I'll try
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
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