2010.01.01 19:00 - Taking Responsibility

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    The Guardian for this meeting was genesis Zhangsun. The comments are by genesis Zhangsun.

    Archmage Atlantis: My goodness
    Archmage Atlantis: ghengsi khan
    genesis Zhangsun: Oh hi!
    genesis Zhangsun: hey stargate
    genesis Zhangsun: hi archmage
    Archmage Atlantis: Bow then , do have a reasonro wha t yo did on the steppeso of
    Archmage Atlantis: asia
    genesis Zhangsun: nice cloak starhate
    Stargate Tone: Hello genesis :)***
    Stargate Tone: thank you
    Stargate Tone: long time no see
    genesis Zhangsun: oops sorry stargate
    genesis Zhangsun: yes indeed
    Stargate Tone: oh...sry for what ?
    genesis Zhangsun: sorry I mispelled your name a
    Stargate Tone: ahhh
    Stargate Tone: np
    genesis Zhangsun: and wrote *starhate
    Stargate Tone: typos happens
    genesis Zhangsun: indeed
    genesis Zhangsun: so Happy New Year to you both
    Archmage Atlantis: This is Ghengis Khan...his soul rebon
    Stargate Tone: and Happy New year to you too
    genesis Zhangsun: any exciting new year's resolutions to share?
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    Stargate Tone: well; can only shortly share, that got special news in RL that I take to be special even happened
    Stargate Tone: that one special life survived from death
    Stargate Tone: event
    Stargate Tone: thinking the expression for it's laggyness...
    Stargate Tone: to express that this life returned from death is more specific
    genesis Zhangsun: I don't quite understand....someone was dying but then came back to life?
    Stargate Tone: someone yes vanished from the dimension she lived but came back
    Archmage Atlantis: Grinas, yes you were dead
    genesis Zhangsun: dimension as in this world?
    Stargate Tone: no, but connected
    genesis Zhangsun: and how do you know this person/entity?
    Stargate Tone: that is not only one dimension the human kind being lives in
    Stargate Tone: that's why I said I can share it only shortly, cuz there's more than my privacy in a question if I would share more
    Stargate Tone: so; can share only the base event
    Stargate Tone: ah
    Archmage Atlantis: I can share more if your ast i fo me
    Stargate Tone: have you not been aware of such events that also human being's spirit has left and one has died, but returned to the old body
    Stargate Tone: ?
    Stargate Tone: just like one such 'case' is told in the bible
    Stargate Tone: there is even such priest in Finland who was throwen out from the church cuz he let ppl to know when he called some spirit back to continue one's just left life
    Stargate Tone: /body
    Archmage Atlantis: He is frozen in time sise, I do not havemuch hope for hime
    Stargate Tone: for that priest ?
    genesis Zhangsun: um yes I guess I am familiar with cases where people have been brought back to life...as to whom/what brought them back I can't be sure of
    genesis Zhangsun: I personally have no experience with it, only second hand
    Stargate Tone: ah; sure there own will has been essential need
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Stargate Tone: one way to help the spirit to return to human body is to press one's big toe
    Stargate Tone: sure that's normally event made to come true with the helper from human world
    Stargate Tone: hm
    Stargate Tone: did you know that it's also learning that one lives one's body which has stoped its' functions ?
    Stargate Tone: that I've learned from many spirits (in my this incarnation)
    Archmage Atlantis: Do it bother,prew thebig toel rot
    Stargate Tone: hm; might you bro share more of the purpose of your those words ?
    genesis Zhangsun: so how is your meditation practice going-Arch and Stargate?
    genesis Zhangsun: are either of you doing the 9 second practice?
    Stargate Tone: ah; good question now that I have one experience of known way to meditate
    Stargate Tone: I learned more that those people might be right who's told me that I'm meditating all the time
    Stargate Tone: even I've taken that I meditate never
    Stargate Tone: as I just few days back let one my special friend to guide me what to do and we agreed to do that both in RL as pc's closed for the noise
    Stargate Tone: and the resolt was that my this friend didn't sleep normally
    Stargate Tone: but let him to know of his soultraveling almost the whole night
    genesis Zhangsun: and what did you notice during the meditation?
    genesis Zhangsun: was it difficult? easy?
    Stargate Tone: that 'my' world dont ever get silence, but if I'm only with myself, which is very rare phenomena
    Stargate Tone: as I might be too curious to let the enviroment to fill it's will to lemme to be aware of it
    genesis Zhangsun: yes amazing how much chatter continues on in our minds and most of the time we hardly notice it
    Stargate Tone: no matter if the human world around me would be silent
    Archmage Atlantis: I go sister, so as u must
    Stargate Tone: well...as this 'my' world is such that I'm so aware of them phenomenas almost all the time
    Stargate Tone: but like it is with spirits too; all do sleep some times
    genesis Zhangsun: so you are saying you are more interested in seeking out the "energies" in the environment then to be aware of your own mind state?
    genesis Zhangsun: I can relate to that if that is what you are saying
    Stargate Tone: hm...well...hard to know any interest...
    Stargate Tone: as...well...that's just being as I am...
    Stargate Tone: as it's been whole my this life a tiny question, that what/who am I
    genesis Zhangsun: you are open to the energies, but then doesn't your state of being depend on energy inputs
    Stargate Tone: yet; I've been always aware of the state of my mind...so...sure there can be the interest cuz I've been aware
    Stargate Tone: ah yes
    Stargate Tone: to transform other entities pains for there blocked energies is not any funny thing to experience for tens of years as the add of them normal daily duties
    Stargate Tone: which sure I can fill only partly when them pains take me to lie on bed
    Stargate Tone: and/or I must 'fell asleep'
    Stargate Tone: but it's also much, that I can feel huge happyness from such person's shared pain, who I know to get well for my sharing
    Stargate Tone: and yes; this news for this special spirit to get back to life and even 'completed' eternall own self, has given me strength special much
    Stargate Tone: and sure; the more I can feel happyness; the more it helps me to transform these pains, cuz the base is to transform them with the happy and loving thoughts
    Stargate Tone: like also meeting you; have often thought of you even we have not met
    Stargate Tone: and wished things to be well in your life
    genesis Zhangsun: how do you know if something is really "there" or is you projecting your own fantasy or imagination or assumptions on to the other person?
    Stargate Tone: when you know the truth, you have no questions left
    genesis Zhangsun: its tricky helping people...because sometimes we can't be sure if our ego is involved
    Stargate Tone: but sure I'm not alone and huge many other people have prooven many things when I've got own doubts
    Stargate Tone: we can be sure of that dear
    Stargate Tone: we can
    Stargate Tone: it's just to be honest
    Stargate Tone: not letting own fears or wishes to mix 'the view'
    Stargate Tone: but I also happen to have one special treasure, that I truely can be aware also of them lines between dimensions
    genesis Zhangsun: yes I hear you, honesty is key of course but in my experience ego finds its way into situations in an unexpected ways
    Stargate Tone: but that sometimes I sure cannot know if the spirit is in human world or not, if I'm not told and am not in the earthly connection and not in clear connection with the spirit
    genesis Zhangsun: which no amount of intuiting in the moment can prevent without some practice and preparation beforehand to steady the mind and see more clearly and more completely the activities of the efo
    Stargate Tone: well...dont happen to have such ego...
    genesis Zhangsun: *ego
    Stargate Tone: but sure I also have human mind; that is part of the ego without one couldn't be a human being
    Stargate Tone: that truly is a question of honesty and opennennes
    Stargate Tone: to observ; not to create even opinion easily
    Stargate Tone: hm
    Stargate Tone: sry
    Stargate Tone: sure essential matters are , that one may not have any will to rule over other spirits, not to mention the will to own any other spirit
    Stargate Tone: not even own husband/wife or child...or parent...
    Stargate Tone: readyness to be hungry if cannot get food...
    Stargate Tone: not even the food for spirit and soul
    Stargate Tone: sure; if dont get food in proper time; human body dies
    genesis Zhangsun: I have enough dealing with my own "spirit" that the idea of asserting my "will" over others seems like too great a task, too great a responsibility
    genesis Zhangsun: I think listening is enough
    genesis Zhangsun: listening as well as humanely possible
    Stargate Tone: that is common 'sin' to our kind; the fear called responsibility
    Stargate Tone: as nobody get's birth alone; nobody lives alone; so....how could anybody carry the responsibility even of one's own life, not to mention others
    Stargate Tone: life is always teamwork ...even there's sadly still so much ppl that dont understand that
    genesis Zhangsun: well in a way yes we are responsible for "others" as much as ourselves, but I am not sure where to start beyond my household in taking responsbility for others, except as I said by listening as well as I can
    Stargate Tone: we sure can take responsibility, and that 'just happenes'...but when it grows up to be the fear, then it's the problem
    genesis Zhangsun: well nice talking with you Stargate I have to get going :)
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    genesis Zhangsun: Happy New Year!
    Stargate Tone: was truly nice to see you again *
    Stargate Tone: Happy New Year *
    genesis Zhangsun: yes indeed and lovely costume
    genesis Zhangsun: take care of yourself
    Stargate Tone: as well you have lovely costume :)***
    Stargate Tone: hearts
    Stargate Tone: take good care of youself :)*
    Stargate Tone: hearts
    Stargate Tone: hearts
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