2010.01.15 13:00 - retreat soon

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

    Wol Euler: friday 15 january, 1pm
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nabend wol
    Liza Deischer: hi wol, Yaku
    Wol Euler: hello yaku, liza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey liza, welcome to the guardian group
    Liza Deischer: thanks Yaku
    Wol Euler: oh, yes, right! congratulations and welcome
    Liza Deischer: thanks Wol
    Liza Deischer: happ to be here
    Liza Deischer: happy
    Liza Deischer: Yaku, that's a nice skill
    Liza Deischer: hoovering over your pillow
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i dunno why that happens sometimes
    Liza Deischer: `i don't know if you are completely rezzed Wol
    Liza Deischer: but you look quit different
    Liza Deischer: quite
    Wol Euler grins. A brand new outfit, lots of glowy prims
    Wol Euler: I'll rebake
    Liza Deischer: rabake?
    Liza Deischer: rebake
    Wol Euler: mmm, causes my viewer software to re-generate my appearance and upload it to the servers, for you to see
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello atzlan
    Aztlan Foss: hi everyone
    Yakuzza Lethecus: have you been here before ?
    Wol Euler: hello aztlan
    Aztlan Foss: yeah a few times
    Aztlan Foss: hi wol
    Wol Euler: hello agatha
    Liza Deischer: hi Aztlan
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Wol :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello everybody
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so you know that everything will be logged and about the practice
    Liza Deischer: okay
    Wol Euler: wow, don't you look great! :)
    Aztlan Foss: yup
    Yakuzza Lethecus: great, welcome around here :)
    Agatha Macbeth: You look strange Yaku
    Liza Deischer: hi Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah that's better
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Liza
    Wol Euler: I forget, who has friday 1pm now?
    Agatha Macbeth: Isn't it you Yaku?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Wol Euler: aha!
    Agatha Macbeth: Thought so :)
    Wol Euler: hello zen
    Agatha Macbeth: You had just taken over this slot from Lia first time i came...
    Liza Deischer: hi Zen
    Zen Arado: Hi all :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello zen
    Wol Euler wonders what we are all doing
    Agatha Macbeth: Not a lot......
    Zen Arado: wondering what we are all doing
    Zen Arado: :)
    Wol Euler is listening to old King Crimson and reading the PaB wiki
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that´s true i often have the same question
    Aztlan Foss: hehehe
    Wol Euler: and drinking cold tea
    Zen Arado: wow busy life Wol
    Agatha Macbeth: How's Fripp these days, still married to Toyah?
    Aztlan Foss: I'm breathing very slowly. I think I'm just relaxed
    Wol Euler: apparently so :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus is googling king crimson
    Wol Euler: I read his blog for a while but kinda lost interest
    Agatha Macbeth: Luck bugger :)
    Wol Euler: yeah, really :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Lucky
    Zen Arado: never heard of him :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I really liked Toyah back in the day
    Wol Euler: he calls her "the minx" :)))
    Liza Deischer: Why do we try to do smething if nothing is going on?
    Agatha Macbeth: Loved the way she didn't take any crap from anyone
    Zen Arado: we feel uncomfortable :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Is it your cushion ZEn?
    Liza Deischer: but that can be an interesting thing
    Liza Deischer: to see why it makes you uncomfortabe
    Zen Arado: I know Liza :)
    Agatha Macbeth: (Damn keyboard)
    Zen Arado: :)
    Liza Deischer: I know you know Zen
    Liza Deischer: but we don't seem to do it
    Zen Arado: I know
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello?
    Liza Deischer: neither am I by the way
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: coughs
    Zen Arado: we could sit and meditate if we wantes to
    Agatha Macbeth: I thought we were
    Wol Euler: but that would be doing something ...
    Wol Euler: really truly doing **nothing** must be extremely difficult!
    Zen Arado: but we don't know what we are 'supposed to be doing ?
    Liza Deischer: To me when there is nothing going on, I mean it seems to be so
    Zen Arado: except being aware every 15 mins
    Zen Arado: but there is always a lot going on anyway
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Agatha Macbeth: What about the rest of the time Zen?
    Liza Deischer: but you can use it in any way like it
    Liza Deischer: you like it
    Zen Arado: why do the rest of you come here?
    Zen Arado: I like to talk I admit
    Wol Euler: when I say I am "doing nothing", I usually mean that I am spending my time having frivolous fun when there are other "serious" things that I chose not to do
    Agatha Macbeth: The people here are the most interesting I have met in SL, that's why I come
    Liza Deischer: I understand :-)
    Zen Arado: non attaining they say in zen
    Zen Arado: yes me too Aga
    Liza Deischer: I think that is mostly the point
    Liza Deischer: when we feel uncomfortable in any way
    Agatha Macbeth: And nobody's trying to get in yer pants every 5 mins....
    Zen Arado: attaining non -attaining
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Zen Arado: says nothiing :)
    Zen Arado: but interesting thoughts :)
    Zen Arado: sorry
    Wol Euler: for me, this is sometimes a place to recharge, it's a moment of encouragement and refreshment in the day (evening)
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmmm
    Liza Deischer: to me it is a way to share thoughts on topics we have in common
    Zen Arado: I find it a bit tiring if I come too often
    Aztlan Foss: I like to be where people are sharing thoughts
    Aztlan Foss: it kinda puts my mind at ease
    Zen Arado: I found a website
    Zen Arado: as usual :)
    Wol Euler nods.People do "burn-out" here, Zen, so a certain amount of caution and self-observation is advised.
    Wol Euler nods at Liza. That ties in to what we were talking about :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Go for it Zen :)
    Aztlan Foss: hehehe this place needs warning lables now?
    Zen Arado: yes - that's why I took a rest for a few days Wol
    Wol Euler: like life itself, Aztlan.
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Wol Euler: "Objets in the mirror ..."
    Zen Arado: I am getting on a bit you know :)
    Wol Euler smiles
    Zen Arado: anyway - website reminds me of philosophy of this place
    Zen Arado: http://greatfreedom.org/
    Wol Euler: do tell :)
    Wol Euler: it starts well :))
    Zen Arado: yes _free :)
    Wol Euler: hzeheheheh
    Agatha Macbeth: Always a good start :)
    Zen Arado: love that word :)
    Wol Euler: I meant the teaser, actually. "Short moments of awareness,repeated many times,become automatic!" (for the recorder)
    Wol Euler: that's what we are all about
    Zen Arado: ok that too
    Agatha Macbeth: They do?
    Wol Euler: sure :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Wol Euler: or rather, as Pema would say: Try it and see
    Zen Arado: yes gets away from the rigidity of the 15 mins thing
    Wol Euler: YMMV
    Zen Arado: I might give this a try for a while
    Zen Arado: meditation I find is not as effective for me now
    Wol Euler: wb liza
    Zen Arado: wb Liza
    Zen Arado: I think too much
    Wol Euler: do you know why, zen?
    Liza Deischer: used the wrong button :-)
    Wol Euler: ah
    Agatha Macbeth: 'think' or 'drink' Zen? :)
    Zen Arado: it has just become a habit
    Zen Arado: :)
    Wol Euler nods
    Zen Arado: my egoic has hijacked the time
    Agatha Macbeth: (With me it's the latter)
    Zen Arado: mind
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ara
    arabella Ella: Hiya!
    Liza Deischer: hi Ara
    Wol Euler: hello ara
    Zen Arado: this approach might work better
    Zen Arado: hi Ara :)
    Liza Deischer: I missed something, but which approach Zen?
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Ara
    Zen Arado: talking about website http://greatfreedom.org/
    Zen Arado: but trick is to keep remembering to come back to awareness I think
    Zen Arado: until it is habitual
    Liza Deischer: you mean short moments of wareness
    Zen Arado: yes
    Liza Deischer: yes it is easy to go badk to the old habitual daily things
    Zen Arado: but I only found this 2 days ago so haven't really tried it much yet
    Liza Deischer: back
    Zen Arado: I find daily irritations a good trigger
    Aztlan Foss: I like to go in to moments of awareness when I'm driving
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: It does helpn Aztlan :)
    Aztlan Foss: one day I was on one of those "auto pilot" moments coming home from school and then I realized "I'm in auto mode"
    Agatha Macbeth: -n
    Wol Euler nods
    Aztlan Foss: yeah makes the roads safer :-P
    Aztlan Foss: back then I had a little 1989 CRX so it was tiny and it felt like a go-cart
    Agatha Macbeth: Hee hee
    Zen Arado: so maybe we are on 'autopilot' in the rest of life too
    Agatha Macbeth: Probably looked like one too :)
    Wol Euler: the risk is there, zen
    Wol Euler: looking back, I know that there were weeks or months or years when I was
    Aztlan Foss: <(*_*)> Fastttttttt!... <(*_*)>
    Aztlan Foss: so snapping out of the autopilot mode it made it extremely fun. I was on the freeway, the day was nice, my little car was going really and I was driving it.
    Zen Arado: unconscious as Eckhart Tolle says
    Agatha Macbeth: Va va voom?
    Aztlan Foss: I would have LOVED that when I was a kid so why not even more then?
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: right!
    Wol Euler: exactly
    Wol Euler: why do we lose that joy?
    Agatha Macbeth: We grow up :(
    Wol Euler: that
    Agatha Macbeth: (some do)
    Aztlan Foss: we're told kids play and grownups work and that growing up means not playing.
    Wol Euler: bah
    Agatha Macbeth: Or being?
    Zen Arado: rememners the thril of driving a new car for the first time
    Wol Euler: David Hockney said "all my good painting started from me wanting to play with colours for a while"
    Aztlan Foss: I remember when I was in highschool my dad was like "when I was your age we didn't have video games" so I was like "well you have them now, come play!"
    Agatha Macbeth: I liked his 'baked beans' sculpture
    Zen Arado: did you see his Iphone paintings?
    Wol Euler: yes! wonderful stuff :) so lively
    Agatha Macbeth: Nope, missed those
    Zen Arado: think we talked about this before?
    Wol Euler: and he's in his mid-seventies, so no excuses from you Mr. Arado.
    Agatha Macbeth: probably
    Liza Deischer: we lose our curiosity somehow
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Zen Arado: hehe
    Liza Deischer: and call that taking responsibility
    Wol Euler: yep
    Liza Deischer: or growing up
    Zen Arado: I still paint abstracts
    Zen Arado: was painting today :)
    Agatha Macbeth: The shed?
    Zen Arado: no - too cold
    Agatha Macbeth: Right!
    Zen Arado: I live in an apartment anyway
    Wol Euler: heh, he caught you there aggers.
    Agatha Macbeth: (Couldn be a small shed)
    Agatha Macbeth: He did?
    Zen Arado: did I ?
    Zen Arado: :)
    Liza Deischer: who did what?
    Agatha Macbeth: Ooops
    Wol Euler: hehehehehehheh
    Wol Euler: ah, another silly session
    Agatha Macbeth: onigokko
    Zen Arado: lost me :)
    Wol Euler: that means it's time for ...
    Wol Euler: yes!
    Aztlan Foss: lol
    Agatha Macbeth: Beat you to it! :)
    Agatha Macbeth: stop
    Zen Arado: thought I took that off :)
    Liza Deischer: I've got ist somewhere
    Aztlan Foss: thanks
    Agatha Macbeth: You put it back on whilst painting :)
    Zen Arado: Oh I see - I think
    Wol Euler: yw, just wear it. harmless, invisible ...
    Wol Euler: until someone says the magic word
    Wol Euler: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/23176 <--- Hockney iPhone paintings
    Agatha Macbeth: Never knew you could draw with an Iphone
    Liza Deischer: what are most of you doing during the 90 sec.?
    Wol Euler: I was reading that article actually
    Agatha Macbeth: Following URLs?
    arabella Ella: having a look at the web site with hockney's painings in this case
    Wol Euler: but I do often close my eyes and count my breaths
    Wol Euler: trying to clear my mind
    Agatha Macbeth: If it's zero, yiou have problems :)
    Zen Arado: looking at paintings
    Agatha Macbeth: (Oh this damn KB)
    Aztlan Foss: paintings :-D
    Wol Euler: liza?
    Zen Arado: have to get an iphone
    Liza Deischer: this question came up
    Wol Euler: or an iPod Touch, can run the same apps but has no monthly costs
    Zen Arado: yes I have one of those
    Liza Deischer: trying to concentrate on what we were talking about
    Agatha Macbeth: What were we talking about?
    Liza Deischer: I look at the pictures later :-)
    Zen Arado: 'brushes' is the app
    Zen Arado: must download it
    Agatha Macbeth: I remember Photogenics on the Amiga
    Agatha Macbeth: Those were the days
    Wol Euler: :)
    Zen Arado: good paint prog on Windows 7
    Agatha Macbeth: (oh Windows.......:()
    Wol Euler: remember the little key in the back of hte keyboard, you had to wind it up every morning
    Zen Arado: prefer real paint though
    Agatha Macbeth: My A4000 didn't have one of those :)
    Zen Arado: I used to have a Sinclair spectrum
    Agatha Macbeth: Wooohoooooooo!
    Zen Arado: 28 K ram :)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: With 16K of RAM?
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Aztlan Foss: wow must have cost you a fortune! :-P
    Agatha Macbeth: And 1 bit sound
    Zen Arado: can't remember
    Zen Arado: think they pretty cheap though
    Zen Arado: didn't have any sound I think :)
    Agatha Macbeth: If you picked them up and turned them upside down all the keys fell off
    Zen Arado: except tiny beeps
    Zen Arado: :)
    arabella Ella: and the clatter of the old dot matrix printers
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah good old Clive
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh YES Ara
    Agatha Macbeth: That was when they worked
    arabella Ella: I had an old Amstrad
    Agatha Macbeth: Remember them well
    Zen Arado: you're fired Ara :)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Built in cassette player
    arabella Ella: i had to boot up the HD with a disk each time
    Agatha Macbeth: Programs on cassetees- I ask you
    Agatha Macbeth: or cassettes even
    arabella Ella: yes disks looked like casettes
    Zen Arado: I even had a word processor on my Spectrum
    Agatha Macbeth: Tasword?
    arabella Ella: cool
    Zen Arado: sounds like it
    Zen Arado: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I remember it!
    Zen Arado: it worked too
    Agatha Macbeth: Anybody remember the C5?
    Wol Euler: the tricycle?
    Zen Arado: only saw on TV
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    Agatha Macbeth: Another of Clive's brainchildren
    Wol Euler: never actually saw one, though I lived in Camden Town at the time
    Agatha Macbeth: You wouldn't see one there :)
    arabella Ella: could you describe it Agatha?
    Agatha Macbeth: Well....
    Agatha Macbeth: It was a sort of coverd go-kart
    Wol Euler: http://images.google.de/images?q=sin...ed=0CCAQsAQwAw
    Agatha Macbeth: is the only way I can describe it
    Zen Arado: white fibre galss?
    Zen Arado: glass
    arabella Ella: ah yes
    Wol Euler: electric threewheeled motorcycle
    Agatha Macbeth: Or maybe fibre glass?
    Wol Euler: low fibreglass body
    Wol Euler: yep
    arabella Ella: looks funny today
    Agatha Macbeth: Everybody wanted one....
    Agatha Macbeth: Not
    Zen Arado: not is right :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Wonder what Clive sinclair's doing now?
    Zen Arado: wondered that too
    arabella Ella: sleeping?
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe he's a consultant for Microsoft :)
    Zen Arado: only had a short burst of creativity it seems
    Agatha Macbeth: Very short
    Agatha Macbeth: I preferred the C64
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah Commodore: what a cock-up that was
    Zen Arado: maybe the c5 wil make a comeback
    Agatha Macbeth: I think we bored Aztlan....
    Wol Euler: he's making folding bikes now, apparently
    Zen Arado: :)
    Wol Euler: small enough to put in a largeish briefcase
    Agatha Macbeth: Who, Aztlan?
    Wol Euler: heh
    Agatha Macbeth: Well he ain't here, that's for sure
    arabella Ella: this is about Sinclair from Wikipedia: Despite his involvement in computing, he does not use the Internet.
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Quote from Clive: 'What's the Internet?'
    Zen Arado: :)
    Wol Euler: I'm afraid I will have to leave now, my dears, have to be at work early tomorrow.
    Wol Euler: goodnight, sweet dreams
    arabella Ella: nite Wol
    Liza Deischer: bye Wol
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Wol ;-)
    Zen Arado: nite Wol sleep well
    Liza Deischer: I'm going too
    arabella Ella: nite Liza
    Aztlan Foss: sorry I made a sandwitch
    Agatha Macbeth: To't ziens Liza
    Zen Arado: nite Liza
    Aztlan Foss: bye liza
    Zen Arado: lots of mu friends are computer phobic
    Zen Arado: it's an attitude more than capability
    Aztlan Foss: SL isn't the simplest of computer programs to use either
    arabella Ella: well i know people who write about the internet and who have never used it
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah well, enjoy the rest of the evening folks, be seeing you
    Zen Arado: no spose not
    Aztlan Foss: bye agatha
    arabella Ella: i find SL very user friendly
    Zen Arado: bye Aga
    arabella Ella: nite Agatha
    Zen Arado: depends how computer you are
    Zen Arado: literate
    Aztlan Foss: if you're computer literate it's probably not that bad
    arabella Ella: i'm not 'computer'
    Zen Arado: :)
    Aztlan Foss: I've had to teach people how to use computer and they don't have the motor skills to aim the mouse and click with out further moving the mouse
    arabella Ella: as someone just said i think it requires motivation and attitude
    Aztlan Foss: hahaha
    Aztlan Foss: and basic skills
    arabella Ella: and one builds a skill ... with practice
    Zen Arado: I have freinds who were programmers fro years but don't use computers muh
    Aztlan Foss: some of them didn't understand the concept of scrolling
    Zen Arado: I still struggle to keep up
    arabella Ella: :)
    arabella Ella: what do you try to keep up with Zen?
    Zen Arado: computer technology
    Zen Arado: I am on Twitter and find it hard to understand sometimes
    arabella Ella: ah ... i hate changing my PC or laptop or software
    Zen Arado: best to just use apps and forget about understanding maybe
    arabella Ella: but one has to
    arabella Ella: what would u like to understand about Twitter?
    Zen Arado: don't know...just feel vaguely uneasy about it
    Aztlan Foss: i think more and more certain apps don't come with much of a context and that's why it's hard to understand them
    Zen Arado: like I am missing things
    Aztlan Foss: i know a guy who uses it to keep track of when he starts and stops timing his work
    arabella Ella: well I dont yes twitter yet but ... i see it as being similar to a 'status update' with instant access
    Aztlan Foss: others to communicate
    Zen Arado: I started writing haiku on it
    arabella Ella: cool
    Zen Arado: just for fun
    arabella Ella: not easy i guess?
    Zen Arado: and then strange people want to follow you...
    arabella Ella: he he
    Zen Arado: why I don't know?
    Aztlan Foss: hehehe, to get people to go to their porn sites
    arabella Ella: and ... seems like there is status the more followers one manages to gather
    Zen Arado: yes ...noticed that one
    Zen Arado: women with webcams...
    Aztlan Foss: it probably also has to do with people wanting to be heard, even if they don't have much to say
    arabella Ella: i was gonna say ... lots of gender imbalance in that sort of 'trying to attract'
    Aztlan Foss: the more you have, the more people might see what you write, even if it's unimportant
    Zen Arado: how on earth do they find you?
    arabella Ella: as they do on facebook for example
    arabella Ella: snooping around?
    Aztlan Foss: and sometimes they just build spiders/bots
    arabella Ella: yes
    Zen Arado: maybe it's keywords on my profile?
    Aztlan Foss: they create an account and then they have a program go through accounts to start following
    arabella Ella: how funny
    Zen Arado: notice I have a few 'spiritual'teachers
    arabella Ella: on twitter?
    Zen Arado: yes
    arabella Ella: he he
    Zen Arado: think its because I put Zen in my profile
    Aztlan Foss: hehehe
    arabella Ella: so funny
    Aztlan Foss: it's hard to miss
    Zen Arado: it was Eden who revived my interest in Twitter
    Zen Arado: she writes haiku on it
    arabella Ella: ah ... i think it is a fascinating phenomenon
    arabella Ella: but as with anything else ... one needs time
    Zen Arado: 'had we but world enough and time"
    arabella Ella smiles
    Zen Arado: you know it?
    arabella Ella: no but it brings to mind a chat i had on SL yesterday
    Zen Arado: ok
    arabella Ella: about how we seem to make time our master and what is time and is it just as kant said part of the way we see the world ... etc
    arabella Ella: can we drop the concept of time i wonder
    Zen Arado: it is only a useful construct
    arabella Ella: yes ... exactly
    Zen Arado: I am too ti,e driven I think
    Zen Arado: years of conditioning...
    arabella Ella: most of us are
    arabella Ella: but Zen ... when you meditate ... does time stop still?
    Zen Arado: think men are worse than women in that regard
    Zen Arado: maybe that is sexist?
    Zen Arado: it does speed up I think
    arabella Ella: depends who you are and what you do in life i guess ... male or female
    Zen Arado: you notice it at retreats more
    arabella Ella: but do you notice it in a different way?
    Zen Arado: when retreat is over you wonder where all the time went
    arabella Ella: :)
    Zen Arado: no..it just seems to pas quicker
    arabella Ella: in spite of all the 'slowing down'?
    Zen Arado: I have read about zen masters meditating for hours and it seemd like a minute for them
    arabella Ella: yes
    Aztlan Foss: I think the problem with time is that you're always thinking in the now looking back on what happened and you can always persieve what happened differently
    Zen Arado: you shold go to TSSK class :)
    Zen Arado: TSK
    Aztlan Foss: so you're applying time to your memories and it's kinda arbitrary in a way
    arabella Ella: yes ... it is ... how can i describe this ... the present has past by the time i think of it ... and we often seem to be either in the past or in the future
    Aztlan Foss: TSK?
    arabella Ella: what is TSK?
    Zen Arado: sorry Time space knowledge
    arabella Ella: oh time space knowledge
    arabella Ella: ye
    arabella Ella: yes
    arabella Ella: i went to one of them
    Zen Arado: name of the book they study
    arabella Ella: but i cant seem to remember when it is on?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: monday´s usually
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at 2 pm
    arabella Ella: oh yes thanks Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but it´s not next monday if i remember right
    Zen Arado: I bvought the book but am not keen on it
    arabella Ella: but you just recommeded the class Zen?
    Zen Arado: yo you
    arabella Ella: yo yo?
    Zen Arado: to you I mean :)
    arabella Ella: oh to me
    arabella Ella: :)
    Zen Arado: sincde you seem interested in time
    arabella Ella: yes i am
    Zen Arado: you are into philosophy a lot Ara ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Zen Arado: do you teach it?
    arabella Ella: well to some extent yes
    arabella Ella: i teach a bit of philo yes
    Zen Arado: whcig brand?
    arabella Ella: i would like to be in it more ... but there is lots of other stuff i do too
    arabella Ella: i teach philo of mind
    Zen Arado: ah I see
    arabella Ella: mind body problem etc
    Zen Arado: I did an MA in political phil
    arabella Ella: interesting
    arabella Ella: did it do contemporary political philo too?
    Zen Arado: forgotten most of it
    arabella Ella: he he
    arabella Ella: fraid i must go now
    arabella Ella: thanks for the interesting chat nite all
    Zen Arado: yes better go too
    Aztlan Foss: night
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
    Zen Arado: thanks for discussion
    Zen Arado: nite all
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