2010.01.18 07:00 - Dreaming in a prairie of wild flowers

The Guardian for this meeting was Eden Haiku. The comments are by Eden Haiku.

Pema makes a short appearance, joining Bleu, TH, Widget, Zen and I: the conversation flows naturally from the Kira Time Worskop to the Five Bells Pub to phenomenology.

Pema Pera: Hi Eden, Blue, TH!
Eden Haiku: HI Pema!
Pema Pera: How nice to see you both here, Blue & TH !!
Pema Pera: oops!
Pema Pera: my radar fooled me
Pema Pera: or???
Pema Pera: Hi again Bleu & TH :-)
Bleu Oleander: hi Pema
Eden Haiku: Hi Bleu , hi TH!
TH Ordinary: hi!
Bleu Oleander: hi Eden
Pema Pera: I greeted you prematurely, after seeing you on my radar :-)
Pema Pera: good to see both of you here, has been a while, TH!
Bleu Oleander: got lost on the way
Pema Pera: :-)
Eden Haiku: I was not seeing them at all either.
Pema Pera: unfortunately, I can stay only a few minutes
TH Ordinary: good to be with you again!
Eden Haiku: Good morning Widget!
Widget Whiteberry: gm
Pema Pera: in less than seven hours I have to show up at the Kira Time workshop, and I'll have to sleep in between
Pema Pera: hi Widget!
Widget Whiteberry: 'smiles'
Pema Pera: just wanted to say hi to everybody
Widget Whiteberry: Time workshop?
Eden Haiku: Nice to see you Pema. Did you have time to check the new Five Bells village pub here?
Pema Pera: Yes, a Kira workshop Widget
Pema Pera: yes, Eden, great pub!
Bleu Oleander: we looked for the pub but couldn't find it
Bleu Oleander: where is it?
Pema Pera: http://slurl.com/secondlife/bieup/71/192/100/ is the place for the pub, Bleu
Bleu Oleander: thanks
TH Ordinary: thanks!
Bleu Oleander: we'll check it out
Eden Haiku: Thanks Pema.
Pema Pera: Widget, for the time workshop see http://www.kira.org/index.php?option...135&Itemid=165
Pema Pera: Hi Zen!
Zen Arado: Hi All
TH Ordinary: hi!
Bleu Oleander: any more discussion about restarting the phonom workshop?
Eden Haiku: Last week I did not find time to go to the time workshop. :-)
Pema Pera: :)
Eden Haiku: Anyone would like to suggest a topic for the next 90 secs?
Pema Pera: no, Bleu, nobody volunteered
Bleu Oleander: too bad, very interesting!
Bleu Oleander: we're trying to set up a salon on phenom in rl
Eden Haiku: Th, I suppose you know about the fact that we record?
TH Ordinary: yes
Eden Haiku: ;-)
TH Ordinary: i will be on good behavior
Eden Haiku: Good good!
Pema Pera: :)
Pema Pera: that's great, Bleu!
Pema Pera: Whom will you invite?
Bleu Oleander: we are looking for someone at asu
Bleu Oleander: or u of a
Bleu Oleander: do you know of anyone?
Pema Pera: no, sorry, there really aren't that many in the US
Pema Pera: and also I won't know all of them, for sure
Eden Haiku: Hello Zen!
Zen Arado: Hi Eden:)
Bleu Oleander: perhaps if we find someone, they may be might be interested in sl and we'll refer them to you
Zen Arado: does it come under philosophy of Mind?
TH Ordinary: i think so
Pema Pera: I'd be happy to talk with anyone, Bleu, feel free to direct them to my email address
Zen Arado: I was reading a book by a guy called Sokolowski
Pema Pera: yes, he's written a great book, as introduction
Zen Arado: yes that's the one
Eden Haiku: It seems complicated to attract RL phenomenologists to SL events as you said on the chat log of yesterday Pema.
Pema Pera: but I'd better get some sleep,
Pema Pera: see you all soon again!
TH Ordinary: great....we would be happy to pema
Bleu Oleander: bye Pema!
Zen Arado: bye Pema
Eden Haiku: Yes, sleep well Pema. nice to see you!
Pema Pera: sorry to have to rush -- up again in six hours :)
Zen Arado: sleep well
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: Zen, what was the name of that book? and is it easy for a lay person to read?
Zen Arado: just a sec
Zen Arado: http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-t...3827840&sr=1-1
Bleu Oleander: great, thank you
Eden Haiku: You are so good with links Zen!
Zen Arado: yes it seems quite good
Zen Arado: I also bought one by Zhavi and Gallagher and it was much more difficult
Bleu Oleander: i'll start with the easy one, thanks!
Zen Arado: http://www.amazon.com/Phenomenologic...3827967&sr=1-3
Zen Arado: yes- don't have the same motivation if the claSS HAS FINISHED THOUGH
Zen Arado: sorry for caps
Zen Arado: took me a long time to cotton to what phenom was about
Eden Haiku: Hello Geoff!
Zen Arado: and by that time class was finished
Zen Arado: Hi Geoff
Bleu Oleander: i'm still trying to get an idea of what it's about
Zen Arado: yes me too

 

As we welcome Geoff, we consider inner strength for humans as well as for computers…

Eden Haiku: Widget, are you still feeling 'hermity'? ;)
Zen Arado: similarity to Buddhist ideas attracts me
Widget Whiteberry: Hi Geoff
Widget Whiteberry: hmmm, these clothes have become me
Geoff Baily: yes thanks
Geoff Baily: also asked Riddle
Eden Haiku: They look very comfy yes, and powerful at the same time.
Eden Haiku: Like gathering inner strength.
Widget Whiteberry: well put,
Widget Whiteberry: thats what i need to be doing
Widget Whiteberry: Geoff needs some tech help, more than I can provide
Widget Whiteberry: Geoff, you might ask for it here
Eden Haiku: Inner strength could be a nice focus for our next 90 secs. How do others feel about that?
Bleu Oleander: sure
Widget Whiteberry nods
Geoff Baily: yes ok
TH Ordinary: ok
Geoff Baily: if you were buying a laptop for SL, what wld be te specs?
Zen Arado: as fast as possible
Zen Arado: and good graphics card
Zen Arado: I have a Toshiba laptop
Geoff Baily: eg,
Widget Whiteberry: Read system requirements here: http://secondlife.com/support/downloads.php
Bleu Oleander: i have a macbook pro and it works great
Eden Haiku: Macbook works great yes.
Bleu Oleander: good graphics card essential
Geoff Baily: OK thanks, in the system req there are m
Bleu Oleander: and lots of memory
Zen Arado: it has 2.4 ghz dual core and ATI card with 512 Ram
Geoff Baily: options tho'
Zen Arado: but still gets slow rating from SL
Eden Haiku: Inner strength for computers.
Geoff Baily: Ok thanks, will go and talk to the guy in the little shop down the road with that in mind
Zen Arado: I think laptops are slower than PC's even with the same apparent rating
Eden Haiku: Good luck with your explorations Geoff.
Zen Arado: because of the need to save power
Widget Whiteberry: slower than desktops?
Zen Arado: yes
Geoff Baily: thanks,,)
Widget Whiteberry: I have a desktop after years of laptops and am very happy with it
Widget Whiteberry: iMac
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: i think it also depends on your internet connection

Something has changed: grass is growing very fast between us in the pavilion, flowers are spreading forth, trees are in bloom:  just like after  the first rains of monsoon in India. We soon realize who are the magicians of this sudden transformation: Moon and Stargate, who just arrived.

Moon Fargis: greetings everyone
Eden Haiku: Welcome Moon!
Widget Whiteberry: Hello Moon, Stargate
Stargate Tone: _/!\_ all
Widget Whiteberry: wow, who made the seasons change?
Eden Haiku: And invisible Stargate!
Moon Fargis: magic :)
Geoff Baily: hello Moon
Eden Haiku: Spring!
Zen Arado: Hi Moon
Geoff Baily: nice
Moon Fargis: you prefer winter?
Stargate Tone: ah yes; all dont see faires :)***
Zen Arado: Hi Star
Eden Haiku: I enjoyed so much your photo albums Moon, they are WONDERFUL!
Moon Fargis: oh thanks :)
Widget Whiteberry: this looks like both spring and fall
Moon Fargis: yep :)
Eden Haiku: Maybe you can post the link again for those who haven't seen them yet?
Zen Arado: we've turned into Hikari :)
Zen Arado: much nicer
Moon Fargis: well must be this one http://picasaweb.google.com/Sylvio.Kurze/Impressions
Eden Haiku: Hikari is another Sim right? Are avatars being able to cross from one Sim to the other?
Stargate Tone: oh sure
Widget Whiteberry: Eden, do you mean 'grid'?
Stargate Tone: with LM; the teleport
Eden Haiku: Grid yes, Widget thanks.
Eden Haiku: Thanks Moon.
Stargate Tone: that's LM to Hikari
Eden Haiku: I will make sure to visit.
Moon Fargis: ^^
Stargate Tone: Hikaru is next to it; 'expanded' Hikari
Moon Fargis: bring some time with yourself then :)
Zen Arado: Moon designs Sims for people
Moon Fargis: yes i try to make sl not to look like....
Moon Fargis: that
Stargate Tone: so you can go there walking by the bridge from Hikari tu Hikaru, but it's laggy to cross sims for server problem
Bleu Oleander: :(
Stargate Tone: so; good to use the LM
Bleu Oleander: :)
Geoff Baily: just took a photo, ok with everyone here?
Eden Haiku: Oh my God, we are dreaming into a prairie of wild flowers now!
Stargate Tone: hm
Bleu Oleander: sure
Stargate Tone: did U Eden got them LM's to Hikaru and Angel's cry ?
Zen Arado: I love colourful shrubs
Stargate Tone: as Angel's cry is also Moon's and his builded
Eden Haiku: Yes, I just got yours now Stargate.
Moon Fargis: hmm you have to see the hm hmm i frogot the english name
Moon Fargis: in german its Blutkirsche (The word is blood cherry according to online translation)
Stargate Tone: **
Moon Fargis: it carrys white creamy/rose blossoms even before them cherrys do
Moon Fargis: and then the leafs turn to a dark red
Eden Haiku: I have seen the fairy! I'm blessed!
Moon Fargis: ah might i even too ka photo of it
Stargate Tone: a bet fairy dust around :)***
Stargate Tone: *giggles*
Zen Arado: can't figure out how you do that Moon
Moon Fargis: its a tree in RL :)
Zen Arado: you link all the shrubs?
Moon Fargis: ah
Moon Fargis: watch this then :)
Eden Haiku: Even the birds seem to notice this is a midsummer's dream!
Stargate Tone: Moon created the garden version to 'wear'
Geoff Baily: lovely
Bleu Oleander: starting to sneeze!
Stargate Tone: bless you
Moon Fargis: gesundheit :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Zen Arado: ah I remember that movie
Eden Haiku: Bless you Bleu ;)
Bleu Oleander: ty!
Eden Haiku: Is Stargate a RL avatar as well or an alt Moon?
Moon Fargis: shes real :)
Eden Haiku: TH is slumbering a summer slumb.
Zen Arado: slumb? (I meant 'slumber', Zen was right to point the mistake)
Eden Haiku: Thanks. You are from Germany and she is from Finland yes?
Moon Fargis: yep

The fairy dust dispensed by Stargate makes us a bit more dreamy. I could hear snapshots clicks and realized Geoff was taking pictures: he would send lots of them later on :-) Some of which I posted in this log. Our environment was turning into a cornucopia as Zen would put it.

TH Ordinary: the fairy dust put me to sleep
Stargate Tone: well...it was in a way 'tricky' question; was surprised U to think me to be Moon's alt...
--BELL--
Zen Arado: Chrysantheum cornucopia?
Eden Haiku: I might be getting creative a way too much with all this weed around...
Stargate Tone: but...as it's also RL thing that I am 'a bit' Moon's fairy too...
Stargate Tone: and yes; my lag in english mixed my mind to blow more deep your question
Widget Whiteberry: Stargate reads to me like ee cummings
Stargate Tone: meaning how it can be taken to need 'several' answers :)***
Eden Haiku: I feel like reading a children book as when I was a child. Stepping into a world of wonders.
Stargate Tone: smiles happily *
Moon Fargis: *giggles
Eden Haiku: No worries Star. I was just getting curious...
Stargate Tone: pls feel free
Zen Arado: yes funny how this takes me back to childhood
Stargate Tone: well; I've had this bigger fairy form long time...appeared with that to many people who's wanted my help
Eden Haiku: I enjoyed so much Moon's photos with these youngsters in front of a Coke machine in a desert cafeteria somewhere nowhere.
Eden Haiku: Hyperealism!
Moon Fargis: :D
Stargate Tone: told that I wanna be only the little fairy to bring some help and only good things
Moon Fargis: *ponders
Zen Arado: you have to paint some pictures on your I touch now Eden!
Zen Arado: and put on Twitter
Eden Haiku: By the way, thank you so much for pointing to the 'brushes' app for Ipod touch Zen. (Zen and I are being telepathic here, writing simultaneously!)
Moon Fargis: eden: this :http://picasaweb.google.com/Sylvio.K...06420172986194 ?
Eden Haiku: I have been painting watching the end of the Golden Globes Awards yesterday night. Fantastic app!
Zen Arado: you can do self portraits from reflection on screen
Zen Arado: that's what Hockney does
Eden Haiku: oh! The link does not seem functional Moon.
Zen Arado: I haven't tried it yet
Moon Fargis: http://picasaweb.google.com/Sylvio.K...06420172986194
Eden Haiku: Geoff is making great photos of this session I would think...
Zen Arado: was painting with real paint earlier
Moon Fargis: ahye i wish someone would paint SL
Moon Fargis: as artist
Eden Haiku: That is the one. So much in that picture!
Moon Fargis: left is me right my best friend :)
Moon Fargis: already 5 years ago
Zen Arado: ah so young Moon
Moon Fargis: just look like that :D

Spirits of places: inspired by Moon's photo albums, we talk about the poetry of empty buildings

Zen Arado: but that would be twice removed from reality Moon
Moon Fargis: hmm please define reality ^^
Zen Arado: :)
Eden Haiku: The pictures of your room and your pet and the fields you walked through are also great. And the empty sanatorium! There is also one just like that near my summer place, empty sanatorium. But I never dared ventured inside.
Zen Arado: Plato said something about art being too far removed from reality
Zen Arado: but he thought this life was an imperfect copy of some 'real' place
Eden Haiku: The cave?
Zen Arado: sp a painting is three times removed
Eden Haiku: ;)
Moon Fargis: eden: ah i love old ruined places , standing i na motten old ballroom in a left house alone wch has been left for 20 years ..its pure energy
Zen Arado: not quite the cave Eden
Eden Haiku: Yes, there is some inherent poetry to these empty buildings. I always want to make a movie when I see that kind of place.
Zen Arado: a place of perfect forms like heaven
Eden Haiku: Looking up for a link...
Zen Arado: the Victorian art critic, John Ruskin , complained anout so much emphasis by artists on the 'tumbledown Picturesque'
Moon Fargis: art always lays in the viewers eye
Zen Arado: wonder why we are attracted to such?
Eden Haiku: http://www.nextfloor-film.com/
Zen Arado: must be the feeling of ppl having lived there
Moon Fargis: yes
Eden Haiku: If you have a chance to watch this short movie, it is quite extraordinary.
Zen Arado: maybe people's lives are recorded in the building somehow
Moon Fargis: ohh there are lot of belives
Eden Haiku: Yes Zen, I would think so. People memories that we can sense.
--BELL--
Moon Fargis: that happenings good or bad can beleft behind
Eden Haiku: Visiting Anne Frank's attic in Amsterdam, I felt very moved.
Zen Arado: and someday scientists will discover these energy fields maybe
Moon Fargis: yes thats what i worry a bit
Eden Haiku: Closing my eyes during the break, I noticed how excited I get by the action and all taking place in the pavilion this morning. A feeling of breaking new ground.
Stargate Tone: since my childhood 'the walls have spoken to me'
Moon Fargis: eden: try not to vreak trhought it :)
Geoff Baily: the lady who looked after Anne Frak's diary has just died
Moon Fargis: break
Stargate Tone: and by time I've learned to understand more clearly, how people leave something of them to everything they touchd
Eden Haiku: I do practice Balinese energy cleansing rituals everywhere I sleep. Walls do talk to me too ;)
Zen Arado: well - if we store traumas in our bodies it is a short step to thinking memories can be stored in buildings
Stargate Tone: ah yes
Geoff Baily: spirit of place
Eden Haiku: @Moon, what do you mean?
Geoff Baily: can be very powerful sometimes
Stargate Tone: and for example when I let my address for ppl to write me , I asked them to write by hand, that I dont reply to 'machine written' letters
Eden Haiku: Oh! Interesting. Very European!
Stargate Tone: cuz when one uses pen and paper, one leaves even such thougths that one dont realize in earthly mind
Eden Haiku: Yes Geoff, sounds logical.
Moon Fargis: well let me form like this, when discovering new grounds, see them as holy to protect them
Eden Haiku: Oh, thank you. I will thread very carefully, on catlike paws...
Stargate Tone: as I explaned them dreams, and often ppl dont notice to tell all , but when I make questions, but them questions 'disappear' when one has written the letter by hand
Zen Arado: just wondering if handwriting will disappear in a few years
Moon Fargis: well
Zen Arado: everyone using keyboards
Moon Fargis: since iburned all my handwritten stuff especially the math stuff.. i dont knwo :)

Departures

Bleu Oleander: slipping out quietly .... rl calls ..... thanks for a very beautiful PaB!
Moon Fargis: but highly depends on what you use
TH Ordinary: bye..thanks for the conversation
Eden Haiku: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/ny...on/12gies.html
Zen Arado: bye Bleu
Moon Fargis: see you
Geoff Baily: bye Bleu
Stargate Tone: _/!\_ ble
Eden Haiku: Link to Miep Gies who wrote 'Anne Frank remembered.' Great book!
Eden Haiku: Bye Bleu.
Moon Fargis: ahyes nice, ive red the book when i worked for a year in a memorial concentration camp
Eden Haiku: Widget, it was nice sitting with your quiet self this morning, ;-)
Zen Arado: this place will seem bare when you go Moon!
Widget Whiteberry: thank you, Eden
Moon Fargis: ^^
Eden Haiku: Where was that Moon? Quite an experience.
Widget Whiteberry: it will be a blank canvass - all possibility
Eden Haiku: ;-) I like blank canvasses
Moon Fargis: eden: Kz -gedenkstätte mittelbau dora
Widget Whiteberry: I want to look at the new build
Zen Arado: perhaps I should design my own personal background to bring with me
Moon Fargis: near nordhausen , where they produced the V" weapons
Moon Fargis: V2
Eden Haiku: You have the link Widget?
Widget Whiteberry: Oh Zen, don't we all bring our context?
Widget Whiteberry: I could use it again, Eden
Eden Haiku: It is close to the Village Hall to the left.
Zen Arado: true
Widget Whiteberry: ty
Moon Fargis: ok i also should get up i guess
Moon Fargis: was nice talking with you ^^
Zen Arado: yes I have to make my dinner soon
Geoff Baily: thankyou Moon
Zen Arado: you too Moon
Eden Haiku: Very nice Moon, thanks!
Moon Fargis: ^^/
--BELL--
Eden Haiku: Was pleased to meet you 
Zen Arado: I am making a lentil stew
Zen Arado: so i have to cut a lot of vegetables
Geoff Baily: mm
Eden Haiku: Yummmy!
Zen Arado: takes me ages
Geoff Baily: hello Susi
Susi Alcott: _/!\_ All
Zen Arado: Hi Susi
Eden Haiku: You should buy one of these miracle cutters they advertise on TV Zen! Hello Susi!
Zen Arado: I bought a food processor
Zen Arado: it wasn't much help
Eden Haiku: But it still take ages...
Zen Arado: and you have to wash it at the end
Geoff Baily: takes an age to clean those
Zen Arado: yes
Eden Haiku: Yes, I see what you mean. So the only alternative is to get into the zen of cutting vegetables ;-)
Geoff Baily: ;)
Zen Arado: yes - you do it mindfully :)
Geoff Baily: good healthy food
Eden Haiku: There is a special way to cut each vegetable. Learn that but forgot a lot...
Zen Arado: or watch TV at the same time :)
Geoff Baily: or good music
Zen Arado: yes
Stargate Tone: wishes also good time to all *
Zen Arado: yes yoy too Star
Eden Haiku: Yes. Did you watch the Golden Globes? (I'm glad to know Storm does not read the logs because he despises TV :)
Zen Arado: I am going too
Geoff Baily: thanks Stargate
Eden Haiku: Bye Stargate. It was so nice meeting you@ Bye Zen!
Zen Arado: bye all
Eden Haiku: Enjoy your meal.
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Geoff Baily: bye Zen
Geoff Baily: bye
Geoff Baily: have you been here before Susi, don't think we have met before
Susi Alcott: well; have been much away, but been in PaB meetings quite early it's beginning
Eden Haiku: Are you aware that we record everything here Susi?
Eden Haiku: Would you agree to be recorded in the log?
Geoff Baily: oh you can remember the beginning, not the April though I think
Geoff Baily: ah another Guardian,sorry did not pick that up
Susi Alcott: well ; now U see that I'm the guardian
Geoff Baily: yes i saw
Susi Alcott: I can remember from two months from PaB's beginning
Geoff Baily: good t meet you!
Susi Alcott: but sadly I also now must go again
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Geoff Baily: you are so lucky
Susi Alcott: ?
Eden Haiku: Oh sorry Susi. You certainly do not need our notecard and recording permissions routine then...We are both new guardians here.
--BELL--
Geoff Baily: bye Susi wouldlove to talk more
Susi Alcott: hoping the same; was very nice to meet you two *
Geoff Baily: ;)
Susi Alcott: starpower
Eden Haiku: So Geoff how do you feel about hosting this slot for a while when I'm gone? Thank you for offering your time.
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Eden Haiku: Nice meeting you Susi.
Geoff Baily: nice thanks for the flowers Susi
Geoff Baily: I must go too Eden, bye
Eden Haiku: See you at the pub Geoff ;-)

Geoff and I walk to the Five Bells village pub

(walking in the north direction to http://slurl.com/secondlife/bieup/71/192/100/), where we are soon joined by six other avatars in an ebb and flow of comings and goings that will last for more than one hour. There is some vocal chatting, darts playing, Guiness drinking and Moroccan tea sipping. The fireplace crackles happily as we spend time together in this cozy meeting place.

As I find out later in an email, Pema suggests all of us to meet there in between sessions, for a half hour or so: 

  4:00 -  4:30 am SLT

  10:00 - 10:30 am SLT

   4:00 -  4:30 pm SLT

  10:00 - 10:30 pm SLT

As he says: 'With four "happy (half) hour" times each day, it should be easy to find at least a few other thirsty souls there from time to time.'