2011.12.09 06:00 - Regarding Reality: Iconic Illumination

The Guardian for this meeting was Maxine Walden...
 

Maxine Walden: hi, Eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Maxine :))
Maxine Walden: How are you?
Maxine Walden: Lovely fire!!
Eliza Madrigal: just delightful, thanks. :) You?
Maxine Walden: hi, Bruce
Maxine Walden: Very well, thanks
Eliza Madrigal: It is a fire of Paradise
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce and oO0Oo
Maxine Walden: hi, O
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Maxine, Eliza, and 0.
Maxine Walden: fire is mesmerizing
Eliza Madrigal: I suppose they were cold here at the session last night...
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Maxine, Bruce, Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: or, hungry...
Maxine Walden: :) if we look closely will we find BBQ leavings?
Eliza Madrigal: maybe so
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams :)
Maxine Walden: :)
oO0Oo Resident: May I suggest a lower fountain may suit?
Maxine Walden: hi, Adams...
Adams Rubble: Hello Maxine, Eliza, Bruce and o000o :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes!
Maxine Walden: ah, sounds good, O
Bruce Mowbray: Good morning, Adams.
Eliza Madrigal: not that it isn't fun to play with ideas of how things are, hah
Maxine Walden: :)
oO0Oo Resident: :)
Maxine Walden: Playing with reality, Eliza?
Maxine Walden: or images of 'how things are'?
Maxine Walden: Well, maybe we can get started?
Eliza Madrigal: images of reality, hm, nice
Eliza Madrigal: OK :)

Maxine Walden: Last week we had some discussion of Vector's video, and his views/perspectives perhaps deriving in part from his experience as a doctor, but also including
Maxine Walden: his near death experience.
Maxine Walden: And a couple of weeks previous, after my dream about the Master and his housekeeper (Master's illumined study, housekeeper in dark sinister sepia)
Maxine Walden: Piet had wondered what a followup dream of mine might suggest to us
Maxine Walden: Well, I had a dream just before we discussed Vector's art
Walden: And I thought this followup dream might be interesting for us to think about...
Maxine Walden: OK for me to mention it? It is a bit long, but I think easy to read
oO0Oo Resident: Sure
Adams Rubble: please do
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, yes please do
oO0Oo Resident: :)

Maxine Walden: (let's see I have it on a notecard; maybe I can cut and paste...)
Adams Rubble hands Maxine a scissors
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal is flooded with memories of school paste
oO0Oo Resident hands her the paste
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Maxine Walden: OK, I will type it innnn:))
Adams Rubble eats some of her paste
oO0Oo Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Eliza Madrigal: we must have been in the same class
Adams Rubble: :)

Maxine Walden: I am with my sister's sister (recognized as 'me' outside the dream because my sister has only one sister --me)
Adams Rubble: :)
Maxine Walden: At first I cannot recall what she looks like in the dream, but then when I meet her I recognize her in that we we often feel when we twig on 'oh, yes, I have always known that...'
Maxine Walden: (still the dream): She is rather young and very beautiful,
Maxine Walden: and I can notice in the dream that she is a lovely blend of my sister and somehow perhaps my sister's daughter.

--BELL--

Maxine Walden: (This is important in my understanding of the dream in terms of my identifying this 'sister'
Maxine Walden: as part of me which traverses the 'known' me, who I have historically known, but also
Maxine Walden: a fresh, new, perhaps timeless aspect which has a kind of luminescence).
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Maxine Walden: In the dream I am trying to get to the airport, seems to be a small Northeastern town, perhaps near Boston where my real sister lives, but in the dream
Maxine Walden: it is just this sister's siter trying to help me get to this small airport via back roads; my real sister does not appear at all in the dream
Maxine Walden: But I have in the dream been accruing Asian street food in a kind of wicker type wheeled hamper, much too cumbersome to take on the plane
Maxine Walden: I become aware that "I cannot take it with me" in the dream and so leave it for others to enjoy.
Maxine Walden: This foreign pastry has a strange sort of treebark/crusty kind of taste/texture.
Maxine Walden: All of this also taking place in a small harbor setting, perhaps linked with Vector's drawings of the voyager soul, in a marine setting.
Maxine Walden: I finally have about an hour before my plane and 'take a ferry' but it is a very small, maybe handcart affair, not at all like the ferries I know in real external life.
Maxine Walden: There seems to be little time to make the plane, but at the end of the dream, as I can recall, I do make the plane with few earthly possessions
Maxine Walden: but that all seems appropriate. I seem to be traveling as unencombered as 'my sister's sister'. (end of dream)
Eliza Madrigal: ty Maxine, so interesting
Maxine Walden: I do have thoughts about the dream, especially the sisters sister, but would it be good for me to stop for others' thoughts?
Eliza Madrigal: my only wonderings at the moment, have to do with 'leaving for others' and Vector's musings, dealings with impermanence... so would love to hear your thoughts
Maxine Walden: Maybe it would round things out for me to just mention a couple of thoughts:
oO0Oo Resident listens.. Nicely recounted.. ty

Maxine Walden: I think that my sister's sister is the part of me which is linked with the transcendent, perhaps that part which lithe the Right brain Master relates to the implicit, enlightened, timeless, without baggage, and yet sort of evanescent.
Maxine Walden: It is helping me, softely present, as I try to let the unnecessary baggage, perhaps tasty morcels I have become attached to, to let them go, leave them behind, for the next part of the journey.
Maxine Walden: So kind of like a helper...as the dream may be a helper
oO0Oo Resident: :)
Maxine Walden: I thought of the lovely lilting graceful music which accompanied Vector's video...
Eliza Madrigal: seems to say something lovely about your relationship with your sister as well
Maxine Walden: Also, perhaps the tasty morcels are those acquired because of curiosity, ambition...those kinds of things that indeed we cannot really take with us in our journey
Maxine Walden: ...think I was so impressed with Vector's art, and maybe the dream was inspired by that viewing of his art...
Maxine Walden: those are my meandeiring thoughts....

Adams Rubble: I also see a way of looking at yourself from another angle, i.e. sister seeing

--BELL--

Maxine Walden: hmm, yes, in external reality my sister and I are very close
Adams Rubble: Hello Jan :)
Maxine Walden: hi, Jan
Bruce Mowbray: There are several vehicles of transport in your dream - - Is "almost missing the plane" at the small airport of significance to you?
Jan Qualia: Hi pabbers
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Jan.
oO0Oo Resident: Jan :)
Maxine Walden: actually, yes, Bruce. Almost missing the plane, sort of like 'missing the bus' suggests that I fall short in my efforts to move on....something like that
Bruce Mowbray: ok.
Eliza Madrigal: (coincidentally, a rare phone call from my sister right now) :) Hi Jan
Maxine Walden: and that the need for this sister's sister, part of oneself, to help in the simple but difficult task of moving beyond, perhaps via the small ferries and back roads....humble stuff.
Maxine Walden: :), Eliza, say hello to her for me! :))

Maxine Walden: Re this dream as followup, as if it speaks to our previous discussions....just wondering about the quiet, backraods, timeless aspect of each of us...in our explorations of reality, of new realities; does that speak to any of you about our discussions?

oO0Oo Resident: Thinking of how the collection of food was revealed fairly early as both having perhaps lost its normal taste, and deemed able to be left behind... not left to last moment before flying. Also, you mention traversing, and it seems maybe traversing as well as leaving a cherished matriarchal lineage.. the harder thing to surrender?
Maxine Walden: interesting thought, O!
oO0Oo Resident: Size of vehicles might suggest that it is a solo journey in the end
Maxine Walden: yes, humble and solo, personal journey..

Bruce Mowbray: Was there any emotional component accompanying the journey? Anxiety? Longing? Comfort? Relief?
oO0Oo Resident: solo.. but deeply interconnected
Eliza Madrigal: back, listening :)
oO0Oo Resident: wb
Maxine Walden: to Bruce: more aware and curious aobut the sister's sister, her quiet presence filled my radar screen it seemed. Grateful for her presence...that seemed the emotional tone
Bruce Mowbray: kk. ty.
Jan Qualia: why do we explore dreams?
Eliza Madrigal: mentioning just because it is so interesting and dreamy an overlap, she called because in december we will take pictures.. mother, sister, my sister's and my children
Eliza Madrigal: had intended to be just the kids but is taking on epic proportions :)
Maxine Walden: dreamy overlap indeed, Eliza. :)

Maxine Walden: Jan, my own experience is that dreams can be wonderful messengers from our barely recognized interior...
Maxine Walden: they can tell us much, if we care to listen...sort of like inner guides
Jan Qualia: to help us in some way?
Maxine Walden: yes!, in quiet, guiding ways
Jan Qualia: you have to trust them then
Jan Qualia: not sure I do

oO0Oo Resident: Sister's sister.. like and essential self, that has no hesitation to, and can help with the backroad journey necessary to realise fruition
Maxine Walden: Yes, to trust in them, and in the gap of 'not knowing' which often accompanies our conscious reflections
Jan Qualia: oh I just want to question everything
Jan Qualia: I am such a skeptic I am out of tune with everyone else
Eliza Madrigal: trusting the timelessness the dream guide may illuminate
Maxine Walden: yes, O, that seems to be one of the lovely images, realizations for me...as well

--BELL--

Adams Rubble: dreams are like poetry from deep inside us
Maxine Walden: agre, Eliza...re the trust...and maybe the appearance of this quiet presence helps to underscore the 'trust', that there really is a presence available
Maxine Walden: beautiful thought/poem, Adams!
Maxine Walden: and maybe the dream as avenue, connection, back road to the 'wider realities' we can only glimpse
Eliza Madrigal: every container or pointer (or imperfect guide) may be leaky, so we don't/can't stick there
Jan Qualia: was thinking of that video about patternicity and agenticity
oO0Oo Resident: Non-identity calling? From a kind of transcendent plane of collective no self?
Jan Qualia: we assign meanings that aren't there
Jan Qualia: to be on the safe side
Eliza Madrigal: collective no-self :::boggles a bit:::

Adams Rubble: We can assign manings that aren't there to anything :)
Jan Qualia: exactly
Jan Qualia: must be a middle way
oO0Oo Resident: me pleads the heart sutra
Maxine Walden: say more, O, about collective non-self?
Jan Qualia: as per video
Maxine Walden: so many perspectives....nice to be able to bring them here for gentle discussion
Adams Rubble: do we stop looking at paintings because we see things that are not there?
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Jan Qualia: it's when we want to have beliefs tho that gets us into trouble
Eliza Madrigal: open mirrors
Jan Qualia: I think
Jan Qualia: a painting is only for pleasure
Jan Qualia: ?
Jan Qualia: we know it is an illusion
oO0Oo Resident: collective non-self... maybe the gloam on the boundary as beings hear play's bell and dissolve their sense of otherness

Maxine Walden: unless we can hold beliefs, meanings, projections lightly, Jan, perhaps?
Adams Rubble: not sure an Icon painter would agree
Jan Qualia: well ok some paintings had a moral teaching
Adams Rubble: more than that Jan
Eliza Madrigal: some impartation?
Adams Rubble: the first thing an icon painter painted was/is the word God
Jan Qualia: but back ps to a religion only?
Jan Qualia: back ups
Eliza Madrigal listens, Adams...
Maxine Walden: Adams, wondering if you might consider our relationship to works of art as similar to our relationship to our dreams: gently informed as we can allow ourselves to be?
Maxine Walden: please go on, Adams....re icon painter....
Adams Rubble: I know I have learned from dreams but one has to be open to listen
Jan Qualia: similarity to dreams in a way...both from somewhere in our imagination?
Adams Rubble: right now my dreams are much like a Keystone Cops movie
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Maxine Walden: :)

Adams Rubble: Getting back to the icon painter, the divine guides his/her painting and lives in the work
Bruce Mowbray: Dreams and art seem akin (in my own experience) to meditative states.
Bruce Mowbray: or meditative methods, not states.
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Luci.
Adams Rubble: I think there is some correlation in the way we approach both
Adams Rubble: Hello Lucinda
Eliza Madrigal gives Luci a copy of Maxine's dream
Maxine Walden: :)
Maxine Walden: hi, Luci
Eliza Madrigal: (Did you have that jan?)
Jan Qualia: or comes from our collective heritage
Jan Qualia: our genes , culture etc
Bruce Mowbray: Thank you everyone, I must scoot over to the Garden of Peace fo meditation now.
Maxine Walden: thanks, Bruce
Lucinda Lavender: Hi Maxine...
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bruce, nice to see you
Lucinda Lavender: and all:)
Jan Qualia: no Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: ah, sorry... gave you a note too
oO0Oo Resident: physically mediated poems on canvass
Jan Qualia: bye Bruce
[06:57]  Adams Rubble: Dreams are not the best way to approach dysnastic conflicts (df. Joan of Arc)
[06:57]  Samúð (oo0oo): Hi Luci
[06:58]  Eliza Madrigal: hehe Adams
[06:58]  Jan Qualia: are visions dreams?

[06:58]  Maxine Walden: yes, wondering about holiday breaks: I can be here next week and then take two weeks off, if others can make next week. Or we can stop for 3 weeks?
[06:58]  Eliza Madrigal: would like to meet next week also if you are able
[06:59]  Maxine Walden: I am able, Eliza
[06:59]  Eliza Madrigal: :)
[06:59]  Maxine Walden: OK, maybe for those who can make it, we'll meet next week. thanks so for the discussion! Lovely thoughts
[06:59]  Maxine Walden: bye then for now!
[07:00]  Eliza Madrigal: Thanks so much Maxine
[07:00]  Adams Rubble: thank you maxine :)
[07:00]  Eliza Madrigal: many muses offered today
[07:00]  Maxine Walden: thank you all!!
[07:00]  Lucinda Lavender: I will try hard to make it...
[07:00]  Adams Rubble: bye everyone :)
[07:00]  Maxine Walden: lovely to see you, Luci
[07:00]  Eliza Madrigal: Bye Adams :)
[07:00]  Jan Qualia: bye Maxine, Adama
[07:00]  Jan Qualia: Hi Luci
[07:00]  Samúð (oo0oo): Thank you Maxine... Bye Adams