The Guardian for this meeting was Archmage Atlantis. The comments are by Archmage Atlantis.

Korel Laloix: Heya
Archmage Atlantis: Hey
Archmage Atlantis: Listening to Otis Redding
Archmage Atlantis: Stand by me
Korel Laloix is looking up Otis Redding
Archmage Atlantis: Now listening to Van Morrison
Korel Laloix: I actually know of this song.
Archmage Atlantis: Brown Eyed Girl
Korel Laloix: A song about me.... msiles
Korel Laloix: smiles
Archmage Atlantis: Songs are how we pass memory forward
Korel Laloix: Interesting thought.
Korel Laloix: Will have to consider that.
Korel Laloix: I think I know what you mean.
Korel Laloix: But there are some song that are ver forgettable.
Korel Laloix: And others I wish I could forget... frowns
--BELL--
Korel Laloix: Like anything by the TIngTIngs
Archmage Atlantis: Song playing now
Archmage Atlantis: Even the best fall down some times
Archmage Atlantis: Somehow, you and I cooide
Archmage Atlantis: *collide
Korel Laloix: Listening to some Deborah on my ipod.
Korel Laloix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5wewUmN6gw
Zon Kwan: hi korel, arch
Korel Laloix: Osiyo
Korel Laloix: Amazing how important music is to us though.
Archmage Atlantis: Hello Zon
Zon Kwan: im listening Cohen
Zon Kwan: Suzanne
Korel Laloix: Suzanne COhen?
Zon Kwan: no name of song
Korel Laloix: OH.
Zon Kwan: is Suzanne
Archmage Atlantis: Chester just brushed on my rllegs
Archmage Atlantis: It was difficult yesterday to go to the dogs without families place
Archmage Atlantis: They so wanted tobe part of a pack
Archmage Atlantis: they were barking their hearts
Korel Laloix: Much more of a cat person I think.
Archmage Atlantis: Me too, Korel
Zon Kwan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otJY2HvW3Bw
Zon Kwan: for Korel
Archmage Atlantis: Still, we are of an entire creation
Korel Laloix is looking up Leonard Cohen
Korel Laloix: Never heard of him or the song.. but fun.. Thanks.
Zon Kwan: its old classic
Korel Laloix: Which means I never heard it before... smiles
Zon Kwan: nods
Korel Laloix: Evidenly it was writtne twenty years before I was....
Archmage Atlantis: Hey.....I am older than the song
Zon Kwan: i think in 60s
Zon Kwan: or 70s
Archmage Atlantis: Yep....
Archmage Atlantis: old
Korel Laloix: Evidently 1967
Zon Kwan: i like the words
Zon Kwan: he was good poet
Zon Kwan: or is
Korel Laloix: Nick Cave did a version though.
Archmage Atlantis: I wasborn in 1951, ro parents born in 1910 and 1916,
--BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: Dad was a sargeant in the invasion of Normady, D-Days
Archmage Atlantis: There are things worth remembering.....in spite of the goodness of silence
Korel Laloix: 1986 for me.
Korel Laloix: Normandy was WWII right?
Korel Laloix: OR was it WWI?
Archmage Atlantis: Normandy was WW2
Korel Laloix: I really don't have a regard for European history, but since there was such an American involvement, I should proably care more than I do.
Archmage Atlantis: Native Americans served in WWw
Korel Laloix: I know.
Archmage Atlantis: The axis forces could no decode their languafe
Archmage Atlantis: *language
Korel Laloix: Yes, there were a few languages used.
Archmage Atlantis: *smile*
Archmage Atlantis: All of us white ppl are not bad
Archmage Atlantis: must go
Korel Laloix: I know...for some strange reason, I tend to date white girls.... smiles
Korel Laloix: Take care... ciao
Zon Kwan: bye arch
Korel Laloix: Big crowd today.
Zon Kwan: yes..must be the xmas time
Korel Laloix: Sleepy Sunday.
Korel Laloix: Just so glad classes are done with.
Korel Laloix: Looking forward to some me time for a bit.
Zon Kwan: rl classes ?
Korel Laloix: Yes.
Korel Laloix: Maters degree stuff.
Korel Laloix: Painful but good.
Zon Kwan: what do you study ?
Korel Laloix: Double programs....
Korel Laloix: Epidemiology and Biostatistics.
Zon Kwan: wow
Korel Laloix: It should be good.
Zon Kwan: is it somekind of medicine ?
Zon Kwan: scince
Korel Laloix: I want to eventually do medical or psych research.
Zon Kwan: nods
Zon Kwan: that is interesting
Zon Kwan: human being as an organism
Zon Kwan: material, psychical, spiritual
Korel Laloix: Yes... lots to look at for sure
Zon Kwan: how all works
Zon Kwan: will you be a doctor then or a sicentist ?
Korel Laloix: TO make a fine distinction... neither... BUt I do want to do a PhD sometime.
Korel Laloix: I want to help the scientist design their resreach.
Korel Laloix: So they get meaningful results.
Zon Kwan: ah
Zon Kwan: meta science
Korel Laloix: Rigorous research design.
--BELL--
Zon Kwan: is it about methology ?
Korel Laloix: Sadly, what it really means today is that the reserach is lawyer resistant.
Korel Laloix: The science comes second.
Zon Kwan: lawyer resistant ? what does that mean
Korel Laloix: That if you do a bit of research, and medical decisions are based on it, you put things enough together to withstand malpractice or other lawsuits.
Zon Kwan: ah
Zon Kwan: thats legas stuff more,,yes
Zon Kwan: legal
Korel Laloix: Correct.
Korel Laloix: Not sure where you are from, but in teh US health care is run by lawyers and politicians not doctors.
Zon Kwan: if i would be on the medical field
Zon Kwan: id study
Zon Kwan: eastern and western scince
Zon Kwan: chinese has a 5000 year old tradition
Korel Laloix: Some of the eastern or Asian medicines are definatly worth studying.
Korel Laloix: Some do mor harm than good medicially... but they can have a good placebo effect.
Zon Kwan: based on practical results
Korel Laloix: The origional formulas are proably good.. but the supply chain for actual stuff is so compromized that there are issues.
Korel Laloix: Evidently the Chinese are having serious issues with it right now.
Zon Kwan: i like the basic philosophical ideas
Zon Kwan: that the body will cure itself
Zon Kwan: not medicine
Zon Kwan: just the conditions
Korel Laloix: We do overmedicate I think.
Korel Laloix: I hate taking pills.
Zon Kwan: definitely my opinion
Zon Kwan: i heard
Zon Kwan: that more people
Zon Kwan: in USA
Zon Kwan: die
Zon Kwan: from sideeffects
Zon Kwan: of medicines
Zon Kwan: than in traffic
Zon Kwan: is thta right ?
Korel Laloix: That is a bit of a stretch.
Korel Laloix: I don't think so.
Zon Kwan: lots of tlak nowadays how especially old people are toxicated by pills
Korel Laloix: Once you get past three medications, there is really no way to tell about interactions.
Korel Laloix: Well, no good way at east.
Zon Kwan: thas why both lines should be studued
Korel Laloix: Well there is already soem overlap...
Zon Kwan: and the best of them
Zon Kwan: used
Korel Laloix: LIke asperine... was a traditional medicine and is still in use today.
Zon Kwan: must go, see you:)
Korel Laloix: Ciao
Korel Laloix: Heay bear.