2013.09.01 19:00 - To Help

The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The comments are by Calvino Rabeni.

Korel Laloix: heya
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Korel, Carl
Santoshima Resident: hey hi!
stevenaia Michinaga: Dan :)
stevenaia Michinaga: San?
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Santoshima Resident: dan is good
Santoshima Resident: i'll answer to about anything that approximates
Korel Laloix: Not sure Carl is there.
Santoshima Resident: hello Carl :)
Korel Laloix: Oooh.. that sonds like a challenge... smiles
stevenaia Michinaga: variations on San
Santoshima Resident: ok, i'm on a work break
Santoshima Resident: what's our topic
Santoshima Resident: ?
stevenaia Michinaga: looks at topic list
Santoshima Resident: hi Cal :)
stevenaia Michinaga: Intention of Kindness
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Cal
Korel Laloix: Heya
Calvino Rabeni: Hi stevenaia, everyone.. what's happening?
Korel Laloix: Just back from dinner out.
Korel Laloix: Listening to some music and chatting.
Santoshima Resident: so far, we have said hello
Santoshima Resident: how're you?
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles, I think that;s where kindness s begins
Calvino Rabeni: aha .... before that .. we were just born ?
Calvino Rabeni: it can sure :)
Korel Laloix: Kindness is a strange thing though... is it just being polite, or doing what is best for someone.
stevenaia Michinaga: one's person kindness could be mean something very different to another
Calvino Rabeni: maybe it is like giving them spirit money that they can spend as they need it
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stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps intent of Kindness is all you need as it may be more important than actual meaning
Korel Laloix: And how does kindness relate to charity?
stevenaia Michinaga: I don;t ever think of the two in a related way
Santoshima Resident: how does "intention of Kindness" relate to "intention of harmlessness"
Korel Laloix: Can you be charitably without being kind?
stevenaia Michinaga: if you can kill with kindness, it doesn't :)
Korel Laloix: Maybe a semantics discussion.
Calvino Rabeni: semantics .. would be a discussion of social values and attitudes, I think .. there are no meanings in language itself, but how we get charged up by it
Calvino Rabeni: commitments to a world
Calvino Rabeni: can't use the word charity without a package deal of attitude that goes with it
Calvino Rabeni: possibly kind .. possibly condescending .. it's a bit sad to be so conflicted about it
Korel Laloix: I think that is true to a point.. people like to do charity at a distance.
Calvino Rabeni: nods
Korel Laloix: Or pass judgement on those that "need" their help.
Calvino Rabeni: at a distance .. yes .. japanese value that and find it noble
Calvino Rabeni: to do good in secret
Calvino Rabeni: Americans ... not so sure .. somehow it would be nice if they got more credit for their indirect works
stevenaia Michinaga: credit?
Calvino Rabeni: karma points or whatever .. filling in from behind what is taken away on the face
Korel Laloix: I like to help directly when I do.
Calvino Rabeni: nods ..
Korel Laloix: But how people help best depends on their tallents.
Korel Laloix: And how people show kindness is as specific.
Calvino Rabeni: specific to their talents also?
Korel Laloix: Someone who is a doctor can show kindess through healing.
Korel Laloix: Where a teacher can show kindness through training or education.
Korel Laloix: And both could be acts of charity as well.
--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I like that direction of thought about it
stevenaia Michinaga: I enjoy the effortless approach to kindness, to do what is right with me 1st
stevenaia Michinaga: taake care of yourself 1st.... approach
Korel Laloix: Deciding best how to help someone can be very difficult sometimes.
Korel Laloix: I am not sure about that for me though.
Korel Laloix: I would so take care of grandma or my aunts before myself...
Korel Laloix: Or Reeba or Peg etc
stevenaia Michinaga: but it you be an effortless choice for you to do that, that si what I mean
Korel Laloix: OH Ok.. I think I know what you mean
stevenaia Michinaga: something you might not do for someone who may have done ill to you, but you might if it is your nature to be compassionate in all instances
stevenaia Michinaga: hard to be compassionate if it is with great effort
Korel Laloix: And compassion is not done without risk somtimes.
stevenaia Michinaga: kindness reflects your nature
stevenaia Michinaga: (your own)
Korel Laloix: The last time my mom was in for cancer surgury I went to see her at the hospital... and she was nasty to me. A bit of an extream example, but I think you know what I mean.
stevenaia Michinaga: that is a good example
stevenaia Michinaga: you still went
Korel Laloix: Still not sure why I went though.
stevenaia Michinaga: a good friend of mine, at least from y perspective came to work with me, I asked how she was... she said... "What do you care", my intent was rejected,
Korel Laloix: Would probably do it again though.
stevenaia Michinaga: same here
stevenaia Michinaga: it does not change my feelings, I will still be kind
stevenaia Michinaga: she will continue to be a wretch
stevenaia Michinaga: someday I may even ask why
Calvino Rabeni: Greetings newcomers :)
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Aph
LuthienTalbot Resident: hi oldtimers
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Luthien
Santoshima Resident: greetings mr, talbot and Aph
Korel Laloix: Osiyo
Aphrodite Macbain: hello all
Aphrodite Macbain: we've been dancing
LuthienTalbot Resident: a very romantic version of gangnam style
Korel Laloix: Where at?
Korel Laloix: Romantic Gangnam?... oh do show please.
Aphrodite Macbain: but mainly I've been screwing up all my scripts
Korel Laloix: That sounds fun.. smiles
Aphrodite Macbain: It's a great set of sites
Aphrodite Macbain: Calas
Aphrodite Macbain: Benny Goodman is gre3at to dance to, especially in this dress
Korel Laloix looks up Benny Goodman
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
--BELL--

Aphrodite Macbain: from the 40s and 50s
Santoshima Resident: hi Joy
Santoshima Resident: welcome
Korel Laloix: I recognize at least one song.
Aphrodite Macbain: I like your name joy
Aphrodite Macbain: Hello
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Joyisoen
Korel Laloix: Lots of people at the dance?
Aphrodite Macbain: Nope- just us.
Aphrodite Macbain: It was a quiet site tonight. I suppose it's the labour day weekend
Korel Laloix: That does sounds cozy and romantic.
Aphrodite Macbain: :-) yes
Aphrodite Macbain: when I didnt crash
Korel Laloix: SLow weekend for me.... and I am sooo enjoying it... mostly.
Korel Laloix: There are a couple of nice SL honky tonks that do well.
Korel Laloix: Prefer that RL though.
Aphrodite Macbain: me too
Aphrodite Macbain: but...
Korel Laloix: Not really a SL dancing fan though.... no exercise, no real dressing up, no pheromone cloud, etc
LuthienTalbot Resident: only imagination
Korel Laloix: It is good though fi you can't get out.
LuthienTalbot Resident: not sure the two experiences are similar enough for proper comparison
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm off to dinner
Aphrodite Macbain: see you all soon. Hugs all round
stevenaia Michinaga: night Aph, enjoy
Korel Laloix: Ciao bella.
Korel Laloix: Lovely dress.
Korel Laloix: Off to another chat myself...
Santoshima Resident: bye aph
Aphrodite Macbain: thank you
Aphrodite Macbain: bye
Santoshima Resident: and korel,
stevenaia Michinaga: bye
Korel Laloix: Take care all.
Calvino Rabeni: I need to go too, to tend my social garden over an evening meal
Santoshima Resident: so long CAl
Calvino Rabeni: thanks everyone .. have a good week / holiday, see some of you tomorrow perhaps
stevenaia Michinaga: night Cal, good seeing you
--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: bye for now
Santoshima Resident: g'night
stevenaia Michinaga: Bye Carl, enjoy your evening
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Luth, was just leaving
stevenaia Michinaga: Carl is mute tonight
stevenaia Michinaga: cept for his blinking sign overhead
stevenaia Michinaga: night
LuthienTalbot Resident: 'night
--BELL--