The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The editing and photo are by Bruce Mowbray.

DR42 Resident: ηαмαѕтє
Bruce Mowbray: Namaste, Maude!
Bruce Mowbray: Do you live here?
DR42 Resident: no
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
DR42 Resident: I live in UUtopia
Bruce Mowbray: It's always a delight to find you here....
Bruce Mowbray: so I was just wondering if this was your home.
Bruce Mowbray: no, UUtopia....

--BELL--

DR42 Resident: I just logged in about 6 minutes ago. Did some in-world errands.
DR42 Resident: "UU"topia
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh!
Bruce Mowbray: Unitarian Universalist!
DR42 Resident: Yep, I am one of them.
Bruce Mowbray: Did I tell you that I attended Starr King School (a UU seminary) way back in 1964-5?
Bruce Mowbray: That's how I first got to Berkeley.
DR42 Resident: Way cool.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it was a way cool time for me to be there.
Bruce Mowbray: That year: 1964.
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Zon!
DR42 Resident: Hi Zon
Zon Kwan: heya
Bruce Mowbray: I can vividly recall Mario Savio and Joan Baez addressing the crowds at Sproul Hall.....
Bruce Mowbray: and the sit-in....
Bruce Mowbray: and the arrests....
Bruce Mowbray: and the teargas....
Bruce Mowbray: SUCH drama!
DR42 Resident: "How many have they shot down? Something like 17 of us."
Bruce Mowbray doesn't recall that. . . .
Bruce Mowbray: but it seems to fit.
DR42 Resident: CSNY.
Bruce Mowbray: and how is every little thing in your world, Zon?
Zon Kwan: hm
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Zon Kwan: out of my control i think
Bruce Mowbray: or BIG things, if you wish....
Bruce Mowbray: None of us is in control, except in our imaginings.
Zon Kwan: just happening, and i watch it
Bruce Mowbray: Wonderful!
Bruce Mowbray: I have been listening to the entire New Testament.... audio recordings... all afternoon.
Bruce Mowbray: I am swimming in that 1st Century mythology....
Bruce Mowbray: (as Rudolph Bultman put it....)
Zon Kwan: ah yes that is intriguing
Bruce Mowbray: It is an amazing matrix, actually.
Bruce Mowbray: Intriguing, indeed!
DR42 Resident: IIRC, iTunes University has some free classes dealing with the content of the Bible.
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhhh! I should check those out.
Zon Kwan: its a story of hidden meanings
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I feel that too, Zon....
Bruce Mowbray: and I've been swimming in those "hiddens" all afternoon.
Bruce Mowbray: as well as pondering "intentions of kindness."
Zon Kwan: expose what you found out
Bruce Mowbray: (as you will note on the topic board....)
Bruce Mowbray: I found out that MANY perceptions are valuable.
Bruce Mowbray: (perhaps ALL perceptions) . . .not just one.
Bruce Mowbray: and that many mythologies are "true"....
Bruce Mowbray: not just one.
Bruce Mowbray: and perhaps that none of the mythologies is really required....
Zon Kwan: can you mention only one
Bruce Mowbray: one . . . ?
Bruce Mowbray: I'm going with Bultman and Heideggar....
Bruce Mowbray: (who were friends in Germany, actually.)
Bruce Mowbray: The historical stuff matters only as a context....
Bruce Mowbray: what "matters" is the core....
Bruce Mowbray: and everything points to that core.....
Bruce Mowbray: and,
Bruce Mowbray: having been an atheist/pantheist for decades.....
Bruce Mowbray: I am now finding that "Core" virtually everywhere.
Bruce Mowbray: and am grateful for that universal "find."
Bruce Mowbray: Please don't feel intimidated.
Zon Kwan: core, yes
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
Zon Kwan: and lots of stuff hiding it
Bruce Mowbray: My typist is actually as dumb as the next dude.
Bruce Mowbray: (dumber than his fish, actually.)
Bruce Mowbray: - - - but looks forward to learning a bit more every day.

--BELL--

 
Bruce Mowbray: Peace, Lila!
Zon Kwan: are you now talking of bible, Bruce ?
Zon Kwan: hi lila
Bruce Mowbray: Peace, sinequanon.
DR42 Resident: ηαмαѕтє
Bruce Mowbray: I would agree, Zon, that there are many "hidings," but also that virtually everything is also un-hiding it. . . .
Lila Sideways: hello all
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
sinequanon Sahara: hello everyone
Bruce Mowbray: hello hello!
Zon Kwan: hi sinequanon
Zon Kwan: go on Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, San-ji!
Santoshima Resident: hello
Bruce Mowbray: I was not meaning to sermonize.
Bruce Mowbray: only to say that Universal Mind ---
Bruce Mowbray: or perhaps Universal Intelligence...
Bruce Mowbray: is in every thing....
Bruce Mowbray: as Buddha said:
Zon Kwan: hi san
Bruce Mowbray: everything has/is Buddha nature...
Bruce Mowbray: and that is also my experience...
Bruce Mowbray: I behold a stone....
Bruce Mowbray: and it sings with that nature.
Bruce Mowbray: I behold an enlightened being,
Zon Kwan: is this in New Testament too?
Bruce Mowbray: and every he/she sings with that same nature....
Bruce Mowbray: This is the very essence of the New Testament....
Bruce Mowbray: (or, at least from my present vantage point,.....)
Bruce Mowbray listens carefully.
Bruce Mowbray: (without analysis or judgment....)
Zon Kwan: same core truth, agrees
Bruce Mowbray: ahhhhh....
Bruce Mowbray: ty, Zon!
Zon Kwan: people just read it differently when they read literally
Bruce Mowbray: Hail the see-er!
Bruce Mowbray: In absolutely anything, literalism is death.
Bruce Mowbray: (sry)
Zon Kwan: not seeing the idea behind the stories
Zon Kwan: and myths
Bruce Mowbray: Please do not be literal about whatever my typist puts down here....
Bruce Mowbray: He's a mess, actually.
Bruce Mowbray listens for more.
Zon Kwan: to me he seems to be quite clear
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Santoshima Resident: yup
Bruce Mowbray: My typist and the fish thank you, Zon (and san!)
sinequanon Sahara: the functional truth; its vitality over its accuracy
Bruce Mowbray: ahhhh!
Bruce Mowbray ponders functionality....
Bruce Mowbray: (as a measure of "truth).
sinequanon Sahara: or perhaps a better word would be its natality
Bruce Mowbray: ahhhh, natality!
sinequanon Sahara: its life force
Bruce Mowbray: please say more, Sine!
Bruce Mowbray: (about natality, I mean....)
Bruce Mowbray: "or life-force...."
sinequanon Sahara: in as much as how it conditions being
Bruce Mowbray: Is there some relation between "functionality" and "intention"?
sinequanon Sahara: ah lag, let me de-render a few trees
Bruce Mowbray: I mean, if I intend some function, then . . .
Bruce Mowbray: (SURE!) np!
Bruce Mowbray wonders how too many trees could render something dysfunctional, but accepts that proposition, nonetheless.
sinequanon Sahara: i am thinking it in terms of natality vs immortality
Bruce Mowbray listens intently.
Bruce Mowbray: Birth vs ----?---- ?
Santoshima Resident: could you put that into a complete sentence, sine?
Bruce Mowbray: (yes, thanks, San.)
sinequanon Sahara: of how a particular discourse would supercede one over the other
Santoshima Resident: hmm
Santoshima Resident: not quite what i meant
Bruce Mowbray: To me, "natality" suggests something either just being born, or something that I have been born with -- something essential....
Bruce Mowbray: Is that what you meant, Sine?

--BELL--

sinequanon Sahara: yes, but the emphasis in being born is merely towards generating life, merely for the sake of generating more of it, without much thought towards reshaping or reforming it towards some particular mode of existence
Zon Kwan: the birth of a religion ?
Zon Kwan: what are we talking about ?
Bruce Mowbray listens....
sinequanon Sahara: any such system, it may not be religious in nature
Bruce Mowbray: ahhhh. So, the generation of new-ness.... rather than the conformity to some prior form of being....?
Lila Sideways: thank you all
Bruce Mowbray: or conformity to some doctrine? or some code?
sinequanon Sahara: exactly. without presupposing anything
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, Lila!
Zon Kwan: hm
Santoshima Resident: best day, Lila!
Santoshima Resident: haven't a clue what you're talking about Sine
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh. So, non-prior judgments, or preferences....
Santoshima Resident: full sentences might help
Santoshima Resident: bye for now
Bruce Mowbray: I feel that I am beginning to catch it, San....
Santoshima Resident: enjoy the day all
Bruce Mowbray: bye for now, San.
sinequanon Sahara: i am sorry, the lag is killing me, i have to type and then wait for my words to appear on the screen
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I have also had that problem, Sine.
Bruce Mowbray: I guess a profound patience is often required.....
Bruce Mowbray: bye for now, Zon?
sinequanon Sahara: bye Zon
Zon Kwan: must go, waves
DR42 Resident: bfn
Bruce Mowbray: kk.
Bruce Mowbray: I have also been reading a biography of John Cage...
Bruce Mowbray: and find that he was an amazing fellow....
Bruce Mowbray: not only with his "music," but also with his thoughts...
sinequanon Sahara: tell us
Bruce Mowbray: He wanted every "sound" to be fresh.....
Bruce Mowbray: every "weird" sound -- or non-sound....
DR42 Resident de-renders herself.
Bruce Mowbray: If you GOOGLED "John Cage" you would find many of his "musical compositions" being performed on YouTube.
Bruce Mowbray: It is worth a try.
sinequanon Sahara: Bye Marjorie :)
Bruce Mowbray: I am only just now beginning to appreciate what he was doing back in the 50's and 60's.
Bruce Mowbray: bye, Maude.
Bruce Mowbray: Did I drive everyone away?
sinequanon Sahara: yes well, You Tube is banned in my country, i know, its embarrassing
Bruce Mowbray: Oh really!
Bruce Mowbray: ???
sinequanon Sahara: yes really
Bruce Mowbray: How on earth can YouTube be banned????
Bruce Mowbray: This is most startling!
sinequanon Sahara: i believe mine isn't the only one that enforces the ban, there are others
Bruce Mowbray: I hope you're not getting into trouble with your "authorities" for my mentioning it here.
sinequanon Sahara: no :)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: John Cage was all about listening -- openly and without judgment...
Bruce Mowbray: and he was a keen disciple of Trungpa and D.T. Suzuki.
Bruce Mowbray: went to Naropa institute in Boulder, Colorado, and the works....
Bruce Mowbray: deeply into Buddhism. . . . at its core,
Bruce Mowbray: and found there some "validation" of his music.
Bruce Mowbray: (Don't know if  'validation' is exactly the right word....)
Bruce Mowbray: more like an echo....
Bruce Mowbray: perhaps a sort of affirming resonance.
Bruce Mowbray: (ahhhh. Sine has also disappeared. Alas, I have driven everyone away. And now I shall drive myself away. Bye for now, dear Bruce!)