The Guardian for this meeting was szavanna Resident. The comments are by szavanna Resident.

szavanna Resident: 's current display-name is "Sunshine".
--BELL--
szavanna Resident: hi there °͜°
szavanna Resident: welcome to class :)
stevenaia Michinaga: hello sunshine
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
szavanna Resident: you look beautiful today :))
stevenaia Michinaga: thank you, this is not my usual time
stevenaia Michinaga: nice to see a new face from time to time
szavanna Resident: yes true :)
szavanna Resident: its quiet today
szavanna Resident: usually we share music links
szavanna Resident: on Mondays
stevenaia Michinaga: been quiet a lot lately in the evenings
szavanna Resident: when is your session?
stevenaia Michinaga: I am usualy on for the 7:00 sessions and I serve on Wednesdays
stevenaia Michinaga: PA
stevenaia Michinaga: PM
szavanna Resident: ahh ok so what brings you here so early :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I was online IM's someone so I thought I'd stop by instead of working
stevenaia Michinaga: IM'g
szavanna Resident: ah great °͜°
stevenaia Michinaga: was trying to get a handle on the topic last night, a good time to continue
szavanna Resident: oh I see :)
szavanna Resident: you were talking about dropping last night?
stevenaia Michinaga: dropping dropping
stevenaia Michinaga: wondering what's left
szavanna Resident: 2013.09.08 19:00 - Define Dropping
Arisia Vita: 's current display-name is "Ari".
szavanna Resident: ahh that was your session °͜°
szavanna Resident: welcome Ari °͜°
Arisia Vita: whispers....greetings...in your ears
szavanna Resident: nice to see you :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I picked up Cal's session last night
szavanna Resident: we are talking about this weeks topic
stevenaia Michinaga: `greeting's Ari
Arisia Vita: I am lucky to sit with two such lovely people
szavanna Resident: dropping dropping °͜°
szavanna Resident: smiles :)
Bruce Mowbray: 's current display-name is "Bruce".
Arisia Vita: welcome Bruce
szavanna Resident: Brucey °͜°
Bruce Mowbray: Thank you. Great to be here!
szavanna Resident: welcome and hello fishies °͜°
stevenaia Michinaga: greetings Bruce
szavanna Resident: Stevie can you say a few words about the things things you discovered about dropping dropping?
szavanna Resident: here is Stevie's sessions :
szavanna Resident: https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2013/09/2013.09.08_19%3a00_-_Define_Dropping
Bruce Mowbray listens to catch he drift
szavanna Resident: *session
Bruce Mowbray: ty.
stevenaia Michinaga: cat and I didn;t get very far, I was just trying to create a framework to look at it
szavanna Resident: checking the log
stevenaia Michinaga: I a good at dropping in Rl, but I can;t say much about dropping dropping
Arisia Vita: welcome Zen
Zen Arado: 's current display-name is "Zen".
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Zen.
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Zen
szavanna Resident: Zenji °͜°
szavanna Resident: welcome °͜°
stevenaia Michinaga: on one hand dropping dropping could put you back before you dropped anything
Zen Arado: Hi all
szavanna Resident: oh that sounds tricky Stevie :)
stevenaia Michinaga: on the other it could be standing perfectly still and empty)
Zen Arado: keep dropping my mouse :(
szavanna Resident: how are you Zenji :)
szavanna Resident: oh what makes you drop it
Zen Arado: ok ty Sunji
szavanna Resident: °͜°
Zen Arado: weak hands and arms
Bruce Mowbray: You may already have discussed this, but does "Dropping dropping" mean to drop the RITUAL of dropping?
szavanna Resident: hmm you use voice too right?
Zen Arado: knock it off the desk
szavanna Resident: we haven't yet discussed it
Zen Arado: dosn't help for mouse though
szavanna Resident: ok thats true Zenji
Zen Arado: very tedious to control by voice
Zen Arado: it is possible
szavanna Resident: ah you can?
Zen Arado: lots will have RSI problems from using mouse
stevenaia Michinaga: what is left after you stop dropping, everything else or nothing?
Zen Arado: I don't understand dropping
Zen Arado: drop what?
stevenaia Michinaga: whatever you are grasping
Zen Arado: pab language I never grasped
stevenaia Michinaga: anger, judgement, pride
szavanna Resident drops everything and listens
stevenaia Michinaga: ego
Zen Arado: best to just notice it I think
stevenaia Michinaga: all the things that interfere with seeing
Zen Arado: once you see it it can't control you
Bruce Mowbray: I'm not saying that this is MY position, but if the ritual of "dropping" every fifteen minutes has become fetishized (and no longer retains its original purposes), then perhaps dropping that fetishized ritual would be what "dropping dropping" means. . .
Zen Arado: sonds too simple I guess
szavanna Resident: hmm imagines seeing the graspings
--BELL--
Zen Arado: ha yes Bruce
szavanna Resident: it does seem to take you back to just a normal state ...that we have before dropping
Zen Arado: yes
szavanna Resident: I prefer to have the breaks °͜°
szavanna Resident: ponders
Zen Arado: techniques need a self that has to do something
Bruce Mowbray: (Me too, Sun!)
szavanna Resident: ;))
Zen Arado: reinforces it's image
Zen Arado: the anger etc came up from it protecting itself
Zen Arado: I think
Zen Arado: the self brought it into existence
Zen Arado: so why not just see that and let it dissi[ate?
Zen Arado: dissipate
Zen Arado: naturally
szavanna Resident: see what Zenji?
Zen Arado: see the anger rising
stevenaia Michinaga: I thing dropping is a tool to that natural dissipation
szavanna Resident: hmm yes
Zen Arado: maybe allow thoughts that prolong it to ...drop
Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps there is some danger of "people serving the "drops" - rather than the "drops" serving people.
Zen Arado: yes if you want to put it like that
szavanna Resident: dropping means ... witnessing it but not taking part actively ...and watching it melt away?
Zen Arado: yeh
Zen Arado: Bruce
LovePeaceSevgi Resident: 's current display-name is "LovePeaceSevgi".
Bruce Mowbray: I am hearing echos of the Heart Sutra mantra in this discussion: Gate Gate, etc. (Dropping as a method of "going beyond beyond...")
Samara Nikitin: 's current display-name is "Samara Aries".
szavanna Resident: hi Love welcome :)
Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Love.
Zen Arado: don't we have favourite patterns of thought we get trapped in?
Bruce Mowbray: and welcome.
szavanna Resident: hi Samara °͜°
Samara Nikitin: hi
Zen Arado: just seeing them helps
Zen Arado: Hi Samara
Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, Samara.
szavanna Resident: yes I love the "seeing"
Arisia Vita: plse greet my friend Samara
Samara Nikitin: nice to meet you all
stevenaia Michinaga: welcoem Samara
szavanna Resident: are you both new at PaB, Love and Samara ?
Samara Nikitin: yes
Zen Arado: Hi Love
szavanna Resident: welcome :)
LovePeaceSevgi Resident: I am new too
LovePeaceSevgi Resident: :)
szavanna Resident: did you receive the notecard about us?
stevenaia Michinaga: waves to Love :)
Arisia Vita: two new flowers bloom in the field... :)
Zen Arado: Hi Love
szavanna Resident: ;))
Zen Arado: I met you before
Zen Arado: not here?
LovePeaceSevgi Resident: namaste everyone
Samara Nikitin: I do not have a notecard
szavanna Resident: namaste :)
Samara Nikitin: namaste :)
szavanna Resident: ok let me give you one
Zen Arado: remember Eckhart Teachings
Zen Arado: because I like him too
Samara Nikitin: a bit
LovePeaceSevgi Resident: I love eckhard
Zen Arado: good teacher
Bruce Mowbray: Tolle, yes. . . (not Meister Eckhart. . . ?)
Samara Nikitin: :)
szavanna Resident: yes he is great
Zen Arado: and witty and funny
LovePeaceSevgi Resident: I dont want to be recorded pls
szavanna Resident: before we continue ... Love & Sam - I'd like to make sure its ok - if we publish what you say ... on our website?
Samara Nikitin: ok
szavanna Resident: ok °͜°
LovePeaceSevgi Resident: :)
szavanna Resident: we usually post our logs online
Arisia Vita: so others can benefit
szavanna Resident: so that we can look later ...all that we have discussed
szavanna Resident: I will not publish your words then Love :)
LovePeaceSevgi Resident: do you have a topic for today
szavanna Resident: yes
szavanna Resident: we are talking about "dropping dropping"
szavanna Resident: ;o)
szavanna Resident: which sounds funny hehe
LovePeaceSevgi Resident: :)
szavanna Resident: :) but we are talking about it very seriously
Zen Arado: the mouse I drop: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ergonomic-mo...bs_computers_2
szavanna Resident: ah :)
Zen Arado: should have got a wireless one
Zen Arado: wired one I mean
Zen Arado: wouldn't drop off the desk then
szavanna Resident: why is that better Zenji
szavanna Resident: ahh
LovePeaceSevgi Resident: I need to go
szavanna Resident: ok - so next item on the list
Zen Arado: keeps the hand upright
Zen Arado: not twisted
LovePeaceSevgi Resident: I am a little tired
szavanna Resident: ok Love thank you for coming :)
szavanna Resident: rest well :)
LovePeaceSevgi Resident: see you again
Zen Arado: byee Love
stevenaia Michinaga: feel free to return
stevenaia Michinaga: we meet every 6 hours here
Zen Arado: repetitive thinking a good thing to drop
Zen Arado: like worrying
Zen Arado: round and round in circles
Zen Arado: wonder how many thoughts we repeat?
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
szavanna Resident: ♥ ♥ ♥
szavanna Resident: Bleuji ♥ ♥ ♥
stevenaia Michinaga: Hi Bleu
szavanna Resident: This is .... ELEPHANTASTIC !!
szavanna Resident: _____
szavanna Resident: / 0 \____
szavanna Resident: / _ \__/ \
szavanna Resident: / / \ ____ I \
szavanna Resident: /_/ I I I I
szavanna Resident: I__I I__I
szavanna Resident: I mean you are
szavanna Resident: °͜°
Zen Arado: Hi Bleu
Bruce Mowbray: So, if I'm understand you Zen, repeating a mantra might also produce repetitive thinking . . . and if it does that, it would be better to drop it?
Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, Bleu!
Bleu Oleander: hiya all
szavanna Resident: so great to see you
szavanna Resident: all ok?
szavanna Resident: ...Weeeeee...Weee Weee Weeee...Weeeeee...
Samara Nikitin: hi
Bleu Oleander: sorry to be late ... big storm here
szavanna Resident: ahh
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Zen Arado: that's different I think
szavanna Resident: it settled now?
Arisia Vita: Sun is happy :)
Bleu Oleander: I think so phew
szavanna Resident: sorry hehe I dropped everything when Bleuji arrived ... and went silly
Bleu Oleander: lol
Samara Nikitin: :)
szavanna Resident: great °͜°
Zen Arado: mantras produce a kind of non thinking mind state?
szavanna Resident: ;D
Bleu Oleander: have that affect sometimes haha
szavanna Resident: Stevie was saying ...its great to see new faces
Zen Arado: worry thinking is more destructive
szavanna Resident: but mantras are so repetitive
szavanna Resident: Bleuji we are talking about dropping dropping
Bleu Oleander: how do you drop dropping?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, if mantras are used properly. . . . or, sometimes to put the mind in a sort of "quality groove" -
szavanna Resident: or seeing something then it "melts away"
Zen Arado: worry pprovokes emotions
szavanna Resident: drops away
Zen Arado: mantra lull the mind
szavanna Resident: mm quality groove
szavanna Resident: give me a mantra video :)
Bleu Oleander: does that mean that you stop the process of dropping?
szavanna Resident: isn't dropping 1-2-3 and then done?
Zen Arado: the dropping is in the seeing for me
Zen Arado: seing allows dropping to happen naturally
szavanna Resident: :)
szavanna Resident: it seems more seamless
Zen Arado: reveals what is going on
Bruce Mowbray: Before your arrival, Bleu, we were pushing around the notion that the "dropping" itself could become a fetishized ritual -- and should therefore be "dropped."
szavanna Resident: seeing-dropping
Bleu Oleander: ah ok
Zen Arado: more like awareness seeing
Zen Arado: hard to explain
stevenaia Michinaga: dropping the fog
Arisia Vita: or the mask
Zen Arado: like seeing thoughts arising during meditation
Bruce Mowbray: witnessing. . .
Zen Arado: yeh seeing throiugh the fog
Bleu Oleander: become more non-conscious, automatic?
Zen Arado: it starts to evaporate
stevenaia Michinaga: or touching your intuition
Zen Arado: not blinded by thoughts or pulled along by them
Zen Arado: yes
Zen Arado: listens
Bleu Oleander: I personally like my thoughts hehe
Zen Arado: yeh
szavanna Resident: hehe
szavanna Resident: hmm
Zen Arado: thinking them stops me sleeping sometimes
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, but sometimes there are those little roadblocks
Bleu Oleander: the questions might be to become aware of your thoughts and recognize the unproductive ones perhaps?
Zen Arado: prefer to keep thinking than sleep which is stupid
Zen Arado: yes maybe
Zen Arado: or self pitying ones that lead to depression
stevenaia Michinaga: no dreams, Zen?
Zen Arado: oh dreams too Steve
Zen Arado: daydreaming used to be me
stevenaia Michinaga: dreams may be the best example of dropping dropping
Bleu Oleander: keep a thought journal by your bed and write down your ideas
stevenaia Michinaga: they just are
Zen Arado: living in a fantasy world whch would happen in the future
Zen Arado: I find my dreams silly usually
stevenaia Michinaga: then I hand them to luci for interpretation :)
Bleu Oleander: lol
Bleu Oleander: you are the best interpreter of your dreams
Zen Arado: it's like I have a dream censor
Zen Arado: stops me remembering them
stevenaia Michinaga: strange, I just watch them, never thought of hidden meaning (Mostly) especially when I get to jott them down
Zen Arado: tells me they are too silly
Zen Arado: X-Rated dreams :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I always ask why did I dream that... rarely do I find an answer
Zen Arado: 'dream something more sensibel' i says
Zen Arado: like a film critic hmm
Bleu Oleander: really no answer to "why" ... maybe only what you see that is meaningful to you
--BELL--
stevenaia Michinaga: back to work for me
stevenaia Michinaga: nice being here in my morning
Bleu Oleander: for me too :)
szavanna Resident: great to see you Stevie °͜°
Arisia Vita: me too :)
Samara Nikitin: :) ♥ ♡ thank you ♡ ♥ for inviting me ari
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, Zen and Steve.
Zen Arado: better do some work on my courses
Bleu Oleander: nice to see everyone
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, ari.
szavanna Resident: ty for coming Arisia
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, Bleu. . .
Bleu Oleander: bye bye
szavanna Resident: hugs Bleuji keep safe
Zen Arado: byee
Bleu Oleander: hugs Sunji
Arisia Vita: it was great seeing you all
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, Blub, McBlubson, and Bruce.
szavanna Resident: have a great week
szavanna Resident: °͜°
szavanna Resident: great to see you guys
szavanna Resident: °͜°