2013.12.13 13:00 - Which Way the Door Opens

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[13:12] druth Vlodovic: are we still doing themes?
[13:12] Aphrodite Macbain: sort of
[13:13] Bruce Mowbray: Sure, if we'd like to do themes -- I'm up for anything.
[13:13] druth Vlodovic: the thession was themeless
[13:14] Aphrodite Macbain: This week is about catching ourselves in the act of doing nothing....
[13:14] Aphrodite Macbain: ":)
[13:14] Yakuzza Lethecus: that would be the alternative :P
[13:14] Bruce Mowbray: You caught Yaku and me in the act of being quiet....
[13:14] Yakuzza Lethecus: now back to nothing :)
[13:14] Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
[13:14] Bruce Mowbray: 
[13:14] Aphrodite Macbain: he he
[13:14] druth Vlodovic: lol,I do that waay too much, it is so stressful
[13:14] druth Vlodovic: depending on the kind of nothing
[13:14] druth Vlodovic: deliberate nothing is rather energizing
[13:15] Aphrodite Macbain: grins
[13:16] Aphrodite Macbain: Nice card Bruce
[13:16] druth Vlodovic: speak of the devil :)
[13:17] druth Vlodovic: 90 seconds of nothing is a long time when you haven't done it in a while
[13:17] Yakuzza Lethecus: thx :)
[13:17] Aphrodite Macbain: looks for the devil
[13:18] Aphrodite Macbain: we are sitting Christmas cards

[13:18] Yakuzza Lethecus: how polyphone can it be
[13:18] Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
[13:19] druth Vlodovic: I was trying for a round :/
[13:19] Aphrodite Macbain: nice
[13:19] Aphrodite Macbain: can we join in?
[13:20] Bruce Mowbray: A round sounds good.
[13:20] Aphrodite Macbain: can u hear me?
[13:20] druth Vlodovic: lol
[13:21] druth Vlodovic: a holiday music session!
[13:21] druth Vlodovic: yes
[13:21] Bruce Mowbray: Does anyone know if the .webm video format can be converted to DVD or avi or some other format?
[13:21] Aphrodite Macbain: can u hear me Bruce?
[13:21] Bruce Mowbray: some other video format, I mean?
[13:21] Aphrodite Macbain: no idea
[13:21] Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I can hear you rustling Aph.
[13:22] Aphrodite Macbain: and singing?
[13:22] Yakuzza Lethecus: http://www.xmedia-recode.de/
[13:22] Bruce Mowbray: I hear someone sort of singing, yes.
[13:22] Aphrodite Macbain: :?

[13:22] Bruce Mowbray: Thank you, Yaku.
[13:22] Aphrodite Macbain: :/
[13:22] Aphrodite Macbain: :) Yaku
[13:24] Aphrodite Macbain: sigh
[13:24] Aphrodite Macbain: sing us one
[13:24] Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
[13:24] Aphrodite Macbain: oh too bad
[13:24] Aphrodite Macbain: oh tannenbaum
[13:25] Aphrodite Macbain: schnapps?
[13:26] druth Vlodovic: lol no
[13:28] Yakuzza Lethecus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julebord
[13:29] Aphrodite Macbain: Did you make this signing Christmas card Bruce- voices and all?
[13:31] Bruce Mowbray: Nope. Someone gave it to me a couple of years ago.

[13:31] Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder how one can catchonelsef doing nothing
[13:32] Aphrodite Macbain: since one would have to be consciously paying attention

[13:33] Aphrodite Macbain: onigokko
[13:33] Aphrodite Macbain: hwe he
[13:33] Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
[13:33] Aphrodite Macbain: stop
[13:34] Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
[13:34] Aphrodite Macbain: onigokko
[13:34] Aphrodite Macbain: stop

[13:34] Yakuzza Lethecus: i am missing wol a bit
[13:34] Bruce Mowbray: Where is Wol, Yaku?
[13:35] Aphrodite Macbain: Is she away?
[13:35] Bruce Mowbray: I saw her on Tuesday at the Dreams group.
[13:35] Aphrodite Macbain: I thought she was back home
[13:36] Bruce Mowbray: When I spoke with her, she was still having a bit of jet lag....

[13:37] Aphrodite Macbain: I am finding A LOT of lag these days
[13:37] Bruce Mowbray: Me too, Aph.
[13:38] Bruce Mowbray: I have completely disappeared a few times this session.
[13:38] Aphrodite Macbain: nods. so it's SL not my computer then
[13:38] Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
[13:38] Bruce Mowbray: Don't know. Things seema bit better now....
[13:38] Aphrodite Macbain: disappeared? I haven't noticed
[13:38] Bruce Mowbray: Everything went dark -- and I couldn't see anything.
[13:39] Aphrodite Macbain: to quote you: "YIKES"

[13:39] Bruce Mowbray ponders adding "Catch myself doing nothing" to my typist's bucket list.
[13:39] Aphrodite Macbain: sigh
[13:39] Bruce Mowbray: sign.
[13:39] druth Vlodovic: lol
[13:40] druth Vlodovic: when awareness catches up to the body
[13:40] Aphrodite Macbain: :)
[13:40] druth Vlodovic: my take is that consciousness is just the "aware" but of self, not self itself
[13:40] Aphrodite Macbain: I like that thought.
[13:40] druth Vlodovic: sort of a monitoring program
[13:40] Aphrodite Macbain: a objectifying subject
[13:41] Aphrodite Macbain: or perhaps a subjectifying object
[13:41] druth Vlodovic: so "doing nothing" might just be allowing self to go unmonitored
[13:41] Aphrodite Macbain: looking at oneself from outside
[13:41] druth Vlodovic: though that doesn't sound right
[13:41] Aphrodite Macbain: and not
[13:41] Aphrodite Macbain: turning off the light
[13:41] Yakuzza Lethecus: being seeing

[13:42] Aphrodite Macbain: can we ever be outside ourselves?
[13:43] Aphrodite Macbain: ecstasy - being outside oneself
[13:43] Aphrodite Macbain: like St Theresa
[13:45] Aphrodite Macbain: I doubt if it is possible-not being aware of ourself unless we are brain dead
[13:46] druth Vlodovic: well, there are special times when i am aware of myself

[13:46] Yakuzza Lethecus: i guess it´s like being non judgemental, there are always choices and judgements that have just been habituated
[13:47] druth Vlodovic: I suspect that if we continue this line we'll start parsing definitions
[13:47] Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
[13:47] Aphrodite Macbain: lol
[13:47] Aphrodite Macbain: you know us too well druth

[13:47] druth Vlodovic: "allowing oneself" is a special type of self-awareness
[13:48] druth Vlodovic: I've been to too many online discussions :-P
[13:48] Aphrodite Macbain: listens
[13:48] druth Vlodovic: our blocks and avoidances are part of ourself
[13:48] Aphrodite Macbain: words go round and round
[13:49] druth Vlodovic: left without consciousness our inhibitions are left to control the situation

[13:49] Bruce Mowbray: Proprioception is also an important part of being oneself....
[13:49] druth Vlodovic: pro???
[13:49] Aphrodite Macbain: nods
[13:49] Bruce Mowbray: and I suspect the people around us might be quite upset with us if we ceased being proprioceptive.
[13:49] Aphrodite Macbain: there is a part of the brain that allows that to happen
[13:49] druth Vlodovic: oh, owning yourself
[13:49] Bruce Mowbray: yes, I'm sure there is, Aph.
[13:49] Aphrodite Macbain: being aware of yourself within space
[13:49] druth Vlodovic: except at parties where you have the excuse of alcohol

[13:50] Bruce Mowbray: Well, being aware of where your body is...
[13:50] Aphrodite Macbain: lol
[13:50] Aphrodite Macbain: never!
[13:50] Bruce Mowbray: in relation to itself and to things around it.
[13:50] Aphrodite Macbain: yes. otherwise we'd flop all over the place
[13:50] Bruce Mowbray: Vertigo plays tricks with proprioception...
[13:50] Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.
[13:50] Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!

[13:51] Aphrodite Macbain: I wish I could be able to mentally fly up to the ceiling and see myself from there
[13:51] Aphrodite Macbain: some can
[13:51] Aphrodite Macbain: like watching yourself on your bed as you're dying
[13:51] Bruce Mowbray: astro-projection?
[13:51] Aphrodite Macbain: somehow are brain does that...
[13:52] Aphrodite Macbain: or can dothat
[13:52] Aphrodite Macbain: in certain states of being
[13:52] druth Vlodovic: needs effortless trying
[13:52] Bruce Mowbray: like Druth is right now projecting herself into this seahorse, or am I confused?
[13:52] druth Vlodovic: fountainhorse
[13:52] Bruce Mowbray: ah! Of course!
[13:53] Aphrodite Macbain: is that your seahorse druth?
[13:53] druth Vlodovic: yep
[13:53] Aphrodite Macbain: very pretty. has she a name?

[13:53] Bruce Mowbray: afk for a sec.. brb.
[13:54] Aphrodite Macbain: k
[13:54] Bruce Mowbray: Woly is on-line!
[13:54] Yakuzza Lethecus: jep :)
[13:54] Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
[13:55] Aphrodite Macbain: good
[13:55] Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Wol!
[13:55] Wol Euler: evening all
[13:55] Wol Euler: sorry I'm late
[13:55] druth Vlodovic: hoy wol
[13:55] Yakuzza Lethecus: hey wol, missed you
[13:55] Wol Euler: I missed me too
[13:55] Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Wol
[13:56] Wol Euler: just got in from work, haven't even taken my shoes off yet
[13:56] Wol Euler: so: brb

[13:56] Bruce Mowbray: "Missing one's self" is what happens when one loses her sense of proprioception...
[13:57] Bruce Mowbray: (We'd been talking about that before you arrived, Wol.)
[13:58] Wol Euler: oh really :) do tell

[13:58] druth Vlodovic: I'm confused, it sounded like that was when you missed your chair
[13:59] Bruce Mowbray: Hmmm.....
[14:00] Aphrodite Macbain: hard to summarize Wol but we were talking about how we could catch oursleves in being nothing

[14:00] Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, Yaku -- and everyone!
[14:00] Bruce Mowbray: Time for me to go.
[14:00] Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now..
[14:00] Aphrodite Macbain: oops
[14:00] Aphrodite Macbain: yaku has lost his pants
[14:00] druth Vlodovic: stood up too fast
[14:00] Yakuzza Lethecus: oh no
[14:01] druth Vlodovic: g2g, have fun all, whoever we are
[14:01] Wol Euler: bye druth!
[14:01] Yakuzza Lethecus: guess my skates have no animation
[14:02] Yakuzza Lethecus: bye druth
[14:02] druth Vlodovic: you need lessons
[14:02] Wol Euler: this skating AO is withou8t a doubt the best 800L$ I ever spent
[14:02] Wol Euler: heheheh
[14:03] Wol Euler: you need some anims to go with them, yaku
[14:03] Yakuzza Lethecus: most skating places have poseballs
[14:03] Wol Euler: or that, yes :)
[14:03] Wol Euler: if you want to dance anywhwere, you need an AO for it

[14:04] Yakuzza Lethecus: you are soon flying back home again ?
[14:05] Wol Euler: yes, next thursday
[14:05] Wol Euler: I think, on the 19th
[14:05] Wol Euler: yes
[14:05] Wol Euler: not looking forward to it at all, it's going to be very hard with Dad in the nursing home
[14:06] Yakuzza Lethecus: i can imagine, i read on you fb a bit
[14:06] Wol Euler nods.
[14:07] Yakuzza Lethecus: well, my parents are around 60, i don´t know what will happen the next 20 years
[14:07] Yakuzza Lethecus: you are one generation further
[14:07] Wol Euler nods.
[14:08] Wol Euler: if it's at all possible, they (and you, and other siblings if there are any) should start talking and thinking about this NOW
[14:08] Wol Euler: before it is needed
[14:08] Wol Euler: because if they wait until they need it, they will be at the mercy of whatever place has a vacancy that hour
[14:09] Wol Euler: plus, it's easier for you to help them if you know clearly and definitely what htey want done
[14:09] Wol Euler: most people don't talk about it, though , because it's such an awful subject

[14:10] Yakuzza Lethecus: it is, my dad got an extra insurance a few years back that should cover a bit, but is of course pricy for +50 years old
[14:10] Yakuzza Lethecus: i have 2 siblings
[14:11] Wol Euler: is your mother still alive?
[14:11] Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, they are just divorced, but whe got more problems lately too
[14:11] Wol Euler nods.
[14:11] Wol Euler: perhaps talk to each of them separately then :=
[14:12] Wol Euler: but do so if at all possible
[14:12] Wol Euler: otherwise it's a surprise and a burden

[14:13] Yakuzza Lethecus: i wonder how much a familiar environment is needed for a person losing his memory, having familiar items
[14:13] Yakuzza Lethecus: things that trigger backup routes of our memory ruts
[14:13] Wol Euler: it does help

[14:14] Wol Euler: my father has started wandering around the home late at night, often naked
[14:14] Wol Euler: because he gets lost upon leaving the bathroom
[14:14] Wol Euler: and that happens because the door opens the wrong way, so that it hides his bed
[14:14] Wol Euler: and is open to the corridor
[14:14] Wol Euler: if it opened the other way, it would show him his bed and hide the corridor
[14:15] Wol Euler: so the problem would not occur

[14:17] Yakuzza Lethecus: so your mother is far too old to handle such a situation by herself if he´ll suddenly ran away, worse in winter
[14:17] Wol Euler: oh he's not strong enough to get far
[14:17] Wol Euler: that isn't the issue
[14:18] Wol Euler: there's no way he could ever go far enough to get lost
[14:18] Wol Euler: and he can't do stairs, so he cannot get out
[14:18] Wol Euler: but it's distressing to him and the staff
[14:18] Wol Euler: such a simple little decision, which way a door opens, has such an impact

[14:20] Yakuzza Lethecus: i wonder how these things first start, last week my dad didn´t have colors on his printer and he changed the ink a few times already by himself before, when i tried to help them on the phone the other day he had forgotten to remove the plasticstrip that leaves air inside, well i also forget quiet a lot of things and don´t think about it but i wonder at which point these things just sneak in
[14:21] Wol Euler nods.
[14:22] Wol Euler: it's impossible to spot it as it happens, usually :) only in retrospect can one look back and say "ah yes, taht was it"

[14:23] Yakuzza Lethecus: zen and sun don´t do their sessions at all or is it just on a break ?
[14:23] Wol Euler: I hope it's just a break
[14:23] Wol Euler: but PP is going through some changes
[14:24] Yakuzza Lethecus: is the tier for a sim still as high as it was 3 years back ?
[14:24] Wol Euler: short answer: yes :)
[14:25] Wol Euler: there are some special conditions but generally, yes

[14:25] Yakuzza Lethecus: i was surprised a few weeks back as i haven´t been in opensim for a long time that there was vivox sound and everything working well
[14:26] Yakuzza Lethecus: are you active in other grids ?
[14:27] Wol Euler: no, just this
[14:27] Wol Euler: last time I tried OpenSim I found it like SL used to be, minus my appearance
[14:27] Wol Euler: too sad
[14:27] Wol Euler: and also minus people.
[14:28] Yakuzza Lethecus: yes that would have been so great to have multiverse tp´s
[14:28] Wol Euler nods.
[14:29] Yakuzza Lethecus: i also made a new login and saw one avatar on small grid that i joined
[14:29] Yakuzza Lethecus: i didn´t return yet after being in for 15 minutes
[14:29] Yakuzza Lethecus: it was the science circle one

[14:32] Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, i will try to sleep for a little while, it´s still quiet here :)
[14:32] Wol Euler smiles.
[14:32] Wol Euler: good :) take care
[14:33] Yakuzza Lethecus: good night

[14:33] Wol Euler: goodnight, yaku