2014.01.16 07:00 - Artificial Borders

 

[06:59] Yakuzza Lethecus: hej storm

[06:59] Storm Nordwind: Yaku - delighted to see you!

[07:00] Yakuzza Lethecus: thx :)

[07:07] Yakuzza Lethecus: how is colorado ?

[07:08] Storm Nordwind: Nicely cool. Warming up in time for the football game this weekend. The snow seems to have gone for a while.
 

[07:08] Yakuzza Lethecus: here it we just got snow for the first time this year

[07:09] Storm Nordwind: That's a little late, yes?

[07:09] Yakuzza Lethecus: 2nd snow in this winter

[07:09] Yakuzza Lethecus: yes

[07:09] Yakuzza Lethecus: unusual warm

[07:10] Storm Nordwind: Is this your first full winter there?

[07:10] Yakuzza Lethecus: i came in winter a couple of times so i saw a lot more snow, but i´ve not been here the whole winter so far
 

[07:11] Storm Nordwind: Things are different when you see the whole thing end to end. It's less of a "picture postcard". You have to become part of it, plan ahead, survive it!

[07:12] Yakuzza Lethecus: no, where i live you don´t have a picture postcard sweden :)
 

[07:13] Storm Nordwind: I took our decorations down three days ago, the Swedish day - rather than a week earlier like in Britain

[07:14] Yakuzza Lethecus: tjugodagar

[07:14] Storm Nordwind: yes

[07:14] Yakuzza Lethecus: julgransplundring ?

[07:14] Storm Nordwind: rather than Twelfth Night
 

[07:16] Yakuzza Lethecus: hej riddle

[07:16] Storm Nordwind: Riddle - hi!

[07:16] Riddle Sideways: Hi ya'll

[07:17] Riddle Sideways: long no see either of you

[07:18] Storm Nordwind: Very few people come to this session nowadays. I suspect it's because I'm mean with the cookies. ;)

[07:18] Yakuzza Lethecus: well now they may contain thc :P

[07:18] Storm Nordwind: Yes indeed! The best that Colorado can provide. :)

[07:19] Riddle Sideways: ah, cookies. That might get anybody to tuesday 7am

[07:19] Storm Nordwind: Wait... it's Tuesday?!

[07:20] Storm Nordwind: Did I imagine Wednesday?!!

[07:20] Riddle Sideways: yep

[07:20] Riddle Sideways: another false construct

[07:20] Storm Nordwind: Good. I'd hoped it wasn't real.
 

[07:21] Yakuzza Lethecus: i saw an interesting report the other day about a person who got sentenced for 35years for posession in texas (of course having 2 previous issues with the legal system) and now that kind of posession is legal one state away

[07:21] Riddle Sideways: 3 strikes rule

[07:22] Storm Nordwind: Two states away. We are thankfully separated from Texas by a thin strip of Oklahoma.

[07:22] Riddle Sideways: that is OK

[07:22] Riddle Sideways: :)
 

[07:23] Storm Nordwind: The arbitrariness of human constructs. This one called "law".

[07:24] Yakuzza Lethecus: as are the human constructs of borders

[07:24] Storm Nordwind: Indeed so

[07:24] Riddle Sideways: Laws of man. that apply inside some made up border

[07:24] Storm Nordwind: But people will fight and kill for both.

[07:26] Storm Nordwind: But I'm sure many Texans wouldn't want to live where I live. The cultural atmosphere would bring on apoplexy for them.
 

[07:26] Riddle Sideways: daughter was seeing the results of nomads being on the wrong side of a map when a line was drawn separating India and Pakistan

[07:27] Storm Nordwind: yes. I think that was even illustrated fairly well in the movie "Gandhi".

[07:28] Riddle Sideways: she saw the movie, but had not realized there still are camps of non-citizens

[07:29] Storm Nordwind: I recall being brought in what was called the East Riding of Yorkshire. It was called that for many centuries. Then a bureaucrat decided we should be in a different county, that of North Humberside. There was revolt for a couple of decades. Not sure of the current status. Tradition died hard. Maybe it was just that people did not feel consulted.

 

[07:33] Storm Nordwind: Hi Xirana! :)

[07:33] Riddle Sideways: Hi X

[07:33] Xirana Oximoxi: hello Storm! Rid and Yaku!! :-)

[07:33] Storm Nordwind: Wow - more people here today than I get in a month!

[07:33] Yakuzza Lethecus: hej xirana

[07:33] Riddle Sideways: yep, mine also

[07:34] Xirana Oximoxi: :-) well..it's nice to meet al of you after so long:)

[07:34] Riddle Sideways: the Storm brings cookies

[07:34] Riddle Sideways: doesn't share, just brings

[07:34] Xirana Oximoxi: hehe
 

[07:35] Yakuzza Lethecus: that was also interesting in the report that those shops in colorado have to do everything in cash since the financial system is national based and it´s only legal in a few states

[07:36] Xirana Oximoxi: I'm eating some in rl... difficult to share :-)

[07:37] Storm Nordwind: I don't know Yaku, It's all taxable, with the revenue going to help the state education system. I'd be surprised if it was all cash only.

[07:37] Riddle Sideways: would think cash is national and credit cards are ummm somewhere
 

[07:39] Storm Nordwind: Anyway, I can assure you that the cookies in front of you are made from nothing but the finest ingredients, and that any "unusual effects" are merely the products of a deranged imagination. ;-)

[07:40] Xirana Oximoxi: hmmm delicious, Storm :-))

[07:41] Yakuzza Lethecus: tack så mycket!

[07:41] Riddle Sideways: note: that we get high-stand to eat

[07:41] Riddle Sideways: thank you

[07:41] Storm Nordwind: I'm so pleased. My own recipe. How-grown ingredients.

[07:41] Xirana Oximoxi: yes..I've noticed:)

[07:41] Xirana Oximoxi: better to make the digestion?

[07:41] Storm Nordwind: Better to notice the onset of dizziness. ;)

[07:42] Xirana Oximoxi: :)

[07:42] Riddle Sideways: interesting. can eat a dozen and not get full

[07:42] Storm Nordwind: Best kind of cookie

[07:43] Storm Nordwind: I'd forgotten how good they are!

[07:43] Xirana Oximoxi: yes...good cookies to keep oneself fit:)

[07:46] Riddle Sideways: so hard to stop eating them

[07:47] Storm Nordwind: At least I will remove the jar. Get the temptation out of the way.
 

[07:48] Riddle Sideways: we were chatting earlier about artificial borders

[07:48] Storm Nordwind nods

[07:49] Xirana Oximoxi: artificial in what sense..or border related to which field?

[07:49] Riddle Sideways: a co-worker just skype'd that MicroSoft just updated and rebooted what she had thought was HER computer.

[07:50] Riddle Sideways: thinking that was a violation of some border - boundary

[07:50] Riddle Sideways: but no,

[07:50] Storm Nordwind: She can change the settings so that it happens only when she wants.

[07:50] Riddle Sideways: "All your computers are ours" - M$

[07:50] Xirana Oximoxi: yes..she can decide whan to update

[07:51] Yakuzza Lethecus: in default it usually takes 15 minutes i think
 

[07:51] Storm Nordwind: This one is a double reboot, IIRC

[07:51] Yakuzza Lethecus: you mean a dualboot ?

[07:51] Storm Nordwind: No

[07:52] Xirana Oximoxi: but...we usually live surrounded by a lot of 'social' borders and conventions....not sure if we can call them 'artificial' too

[07:52] Riddle Sideways: no seems to take 2 boots to get it stuck

[07:52] Storm Nordwind: Xirana: In what way would they be anything other than artificial?

[07:52] Riddle Sideways: yes artificial is wrong word

[07:53] Xirana Oximoxi: well...in a wa

[07:53] Riddle Sideways: an incomplete meaning word

[07:53] Xirana Oximoxi: maybe we they can be considered part of the rules of our societies and its evolution through time

[07:53] Xirana Oximoxi: yes:)

[07:54] Storm Nordwind: Sure. That is what artificial means.

[07:54] Xirana Oximoxi: ok..then I need the definition of 'natural' borders :-))

[07:55] Storm Nordwind smiles

[07:55] Xirana Oximoxi: :)

[07:56] Storm Nordwind: These 'rules' can change on a whim or though slow evolution. Contradictory rules can exist in different places at the same time. And so on...
 

[07:58] Xirana Oximoxi: in my view... maybe 'artificial' are related to quick changes....forced by some particular interests

[07:58] Riddle Sideways: (this year) legal cookie ingredients in Colorado become illegal just down the road

[07:59] Xirana Oximoxi: and when the rules are part of a slow evolutions... even being contradictory sometimes...I feel them as more natural

[07:59] Storm Nordwind: The boundaries of a country that have been in place for centuries are still, in my view, artificial. Only humans respect them (or intentionally don't).

[07:59] Xirana Oximoxi: ah yes...I agree...these kind of borders are artificial...

[08:01] Xirana Oximoxi: so....my way to define 'natural' is weak :-)

[08:02] Xirana Oximoxi: slow is not a garranty:
 

[08:03] Riddle Sideways: Pandas, elephants, elk, spotted owls, etc. do not know the human imposed borders to safe-deadly lands.

[08:03] Riddle Sideways: A natural river or lake helps

[08:04] Xirana Oximoxi: yes...but animals to also set their borders...they are territorial

[08:06] Xirana Oximoxi: I will go now...have a wonderful day, Storm, Rid and Yaku! :)

[08:06] Storm Nordwind: Great to see you Xirana!

[08:06] Yakuzza Lethecus: you as well xirana

[08:06] Xirana Oximoxi: See you soon! :)

[08:06] Storm Nordwind waves

[08:06] Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye !! :)
 

[08:07] Storm Nordwind is amazed he remembered what his hot-key is for "wave".o_O

[08:08] Riddle Sideways: :O is there hot-keys assigned?

[08:08] Storm Nordwind: Only artificially ;-)

[08:08] Riddle Sideways: lol

[08:09] Storm Nordwind: Friends I must be away, sorry. Thank you for your company!

[08:09] Riddle Sideways: thank you

[08:09] Riddle Sideways: GTSY

[08:09] Storm Nordwind: You too!

[08:09] Yakuzza Lethecus: have a good week you both