2009.08.04 19:00 - A Little Turbulent

 

The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.

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Eos Amaterasu: Hi Eliza

Eos Amaterasu: and Adams :-)

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eos :)

Adams Rubble: Hello Eos and Eliza :)

Eos Amaterasu: "walking on water wasn't built in a day" :-)

Eliza Madrigal: Hello Adams

Eliza Madrigal grins

Adams Rubble hasn't mastered that yet

Eliza Madrigal: What do you think the analogy stands for there? Walking on water...

Eliza Madrigal: certainly conjurs many things

Adams Rubble: he can do anything he wants (giggles)

Eliza Madrigal: hah, that's one way of seeing

Eos Amaterasu: that was Jack Kerouac's comment to the Merry Pranksters re LSD

Eliza Madrigal: and that is certainly another :)

Eos Amaterasu: How are you lovely ladies?

Eliza Madrigal: A little turbulent actually.. hard to describe :)

Eliza Madrigal: You?

--BELL--

Adams Rubble: I am feeling very peaceful but I am tired too :)

Adams Rubble: and you Eos?

Eos Amaterasu: In the last few hours I did an "act in an instant" move and decided to attend the retreat & made flight arrangements

Eliza Madrigal: Fantastic!

Adams Rubble: Oh wow!]

Eliza Madrigal: You'll be a very nice addition

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Adams Rubble: :)

Eos Amaterasu: Will either of you be there?

Eliza Madrigal: Alas, no

Adams Rubble: no sadly

Eliza Madrigal: Which does not mean that I wasn't up in the middle of the night looking at flights once :)

Adams Rubble: :)

Eliza Madrigal: It is the first week of school here, and my children are in three diff. schools

Eliza Madrigal: so difficult to coordinate

Eliza Madrigal: It is great that you are going though, a wonderful opportunity

Adams Rubble: Week before school for me and I don't have the courage to leave everything to turn into chaos the first week :)

Adams Rubble: I am afraid I am falling asleep

Eos Amaterasu: Yeah, transition time(s) - the possibility opened up, so go for it

Adams Rubble: wonderful eos :)

Eliza Madrigal: :) Night Adams...understandable :)

Eliza Madrigal: Yes, I fully agree Eos

Eliza Madrigal: When that happens, jump!

Adams Rubble: good night eos and eliza :)

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eos Amaterasu: Good night, Adams!

Eliza Madrigal: You jumped right into the appreciation excercizes...

Eliza Madrigal: and everything here :)

Eos Amaterasu: LIke coming home :-)

Eliza Madrigal: in a wonderful way, I might add...very inspiring

Eliza Madrigal: yes, I relate to that very much as well

Eos Amaterasu: So you are a busy being, with 3 children school age

Eliza Madrigal: Sometimes, yes

Eliza Madrigal: This summer has been so odd. Normally they are in camps, and we're taking vacations, etc.

Eliza Madrigal: This year they've been involved with friends and such...

Eliza Madrigal: leaving me with this wide open space in which to study and to be here

Eliza Madrigal: almost too much space :) Luxurious

Eliza Madrigal: Right now they are at a Greenday concert... well, not my son. He's with a friend

Eos Amaterasu: My son (age 16) introduced me to Battlestar Galactica

Eliza Madrigal: Ah, heard the series is very good

Eos Amaterasu: very impressed with it - takes some of the Blade Runner themes further

Eos Amaterasu: what does it mean to be human

Eliza Madrigal: Not familiar, but go on?

Eliza Madrigal: Oh

Eos Amaterasu: there are androids, who now can look just like humans

Eliza Madrigal: What do you answer?

Eos Amaterasu: Hi Stevenaia

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steve :)

stevenaia Michinaga: hello

stevenaia Michinaga: just talking a break.. as soul caretaker of my world for a few weeks

Eos Amaterasu: I was very struck by something Cylon 6 (a seductive female character/android) said to Baltar

Eos Amaterasu: who had just betrayed his world, and was only concerned about his reputation,

Eliza Madrigal: Steve, nice to have a place to settle for a bit isn't it? :)

Eos Amaterasu: she said, "How do you do it", with a mixture of fascination and repulsion, re how can humans deceive themselves?

--BELL--

stevenaia Michinaga: this the new Batlestar Galactica, I saw it first time it came around

stevenaia Michinaga: hello Mary

Eos Amaterasu: Maybe if you can deceive yourself you can pass the TUring test

Mary Korpov: Hi, I hate that show.

Eos Amaterasu: HI Mary

Mary Korpov: Hi

stevenaia Michinaga: :)

stevenaia Michinaga: have you been here before

Mary Korpov: Once or twice

stevenaia Michinaga: I jsut got here as well

Eliza Madrigal: the TU test, Eos? the human test?

Eos Amaterasu: yes

Eliza Madrigal: (Hi Mary)

Mary Korpov: Hi

Eliza Madrigal: Ah, I see what you are saying... seems a bleak outlook? Humanity=deception?

Eliza Madrigal: Or do I misunderstand?

Eos Amaterasu: the possibility of being able to ignore

Eos Amaterasu: mabye the light is too bright

Eos Amaterasu: so we shade our eyes

Eliza Madrigal: Ah, THAT I hear :)

Mary Korpov: Turn down the screen brightness and it will be better

Eos Amaterasu: or the empathy too painful

Eos Amaterasu: so we separate

Eliza Madrigal nods

Eliza Madrigal: I find myself listening to Pema Chodron a lot these days. She talks much about the idea of our 'soft spot'

Eliza Madrigal: and that cultivation is the work of keeping soft... ?

stevenaia Michinaga: My office associate listens to that as well

Eliza Madrigal: She's wonderful... truly moving, and so funny

Eliza Madrigal: when we empathize we are open

Eliza Madrigal: which 'sounds' nice... but yes, can be painful too

Eliza Madrigal: but I think of that as part of our humanity rather than our humanity separating us?

Eos Amaterasu: yes, care seems kind of intrinsic

Eos Amaterasu: I've been watching how the robins who are tending a nest in our porch maintain "air superiority"

Eliza Madrigal listens

Eos Amaterasu: very systematic, paranoia plus care

Mary Korpov: How can you tell when a bird is paranoid?

Eos Amaterasu: it watches the space

Mary Korpov: Is that paranid or watchful? Seems like you are attributig human characteristics to the birds.

Eos Amaterasu: but, mabye the word paranoia applies more to us who elaborate on the necessary watchfulness

Eos Amaterasu: there's life and death in being

Mary Korpov: There's being in life and death

Eos Amaterasu: the less we elaborate, add extra imagining, the more clearly we see

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Eos Amaterasu: a "charnel ground", where lots of both death and life take place, is a recommended place to meditate

--BELL--

Mary Korpov: It doesn't matter where, or if, you meditate

Eliza Madrigal: I agree actually, that consideration of death is vital to appreciating life

Mary Korpov: Life and death are the same

Eliza Madrigal: Mary, I guess I lose the movement and experience when we make statements like that

Mary Korpov: I didn't quite understand what you meant

Eliza Madrigal: I suppose that in thinking about living every day, experiencing other people, that kind of statement seems to shut down sharing for me

Mary Korpov: I see what you mean.

Mary Korpov: But I think life and death are the same thing

Eos Amaterasu: Can you say more?

Mary Korpov: no

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Eos Amaterasu: 42

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eos Amaterasu: I love integers

Eliza Madrigal: Today I was sitting, considering some things... and had flashes of really tough times, really solid seeming obstacles... and then

Eliza Madrigal: Whooosh

Mary Korpov: They are elements of the same thing, just different manifestations of it

Eliza Madrigal: felt as though I was so grateful for everything that brought me here.

Eliza Madrigal: PaB certainly, but 'here' in a different way

Eliza Madrigal: and death is like that

Eliza Madrigal: considering it brings life to our living

Eliza Madrigal: an obstacle which is a doorway

Mary Korpov: Perhaps living brings death to our dying

Eliza Madrigal: because of course there aren't obstacles or doorways

Eliza Madrigal: Sure Mary, you can flip things like that

Eliza Madrigal: I was just sharing my experience :)

Mary Korpov: How do you know you are living rather than dying right now?

Eos Amaterasu: I can smile, and my hair is getting grayer

Eos Amaterasu: both

Eliza Madrigal: Not sure that's helpful... we hold many states at once

Eliza Madrigal: or not hold, as it were.

Mary Korpov: We are many states at once

Eliza Madrigal: And yes my hair is graying too :)

Eliza Madrigal: Yes, Nice way of saying that Mary :)

Eos Amaterasu: the united states of the appearance claiming to be me

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eliza Madrigal: Did I ever tell you my sleeping buddha story?

Eos Amaterasu: No

Eliza Madrigal: Okay... so in my house I have a piano toward the front door...

Eliza Madrigal: On top of it are pictures and such

Eliza Madrigal: And I was given a beautiful sleeping buddha statue

Eliza Madrigal: It seemed like it should go in the bedroom... after all, he is sleeping...

Eliza Madrigal grins

Eliza Madrigal: So I made a place for him in the bedroom...

Eliza Madrigal: but just did not fit there... kept moving things.

Eliza Madrigal: Finally, I realized that he wanted to be on the piano, because

stevenaia Michinaga: night, I;ll finish the ending when I I;m awake

Eliza Madrigal: "When I think on the notes between the spaces, the music begins to play itself"

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eliza Madrigal: Night Steven :)

Eliza Madrigal: Sleep well

Eos Amaterasu: 'night

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: That reclining buddha pose is most likely his "parinirvana", about to die, pose (lying on his right side)

Eliza Madrigal: Just to connect the dots, yes he is resting

Eliza Madrigal: Yes, that is the pose... fitting to tonight's conversation

Eliza Madrigal: Anyway, You first caused me to dwell in the skipped beats, as it were... or to think of it that way :)

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Eliza Madrigal: I should go. Am still oddly turbulent. :)

Eliza Madrigal: Night Eos, Mary

Mary Korpov: Good night.

Eos Amaterasu: Good night, Eliza

Mary Korpov: I think I'll go, watching Dr. No.

Eos Amaterasu: I think you're ultimately right about life and death being not separate, Mary

Eos Amaterasu: How to hold that in your heart?

Mary Korpov: I don't know, I may just be talking out my ass.

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Mary Korpov: My heart is just a pump, I would rather hold it in my brain.

Eos Amaterasu: Hmm, that's a whole other topic, what organ(s) we perceive/think/feel with

Mary Korpov: Brain plus sense organs.

Eos Amaterasu: heart keeps life circulating

Mary Korpov: It can be replaced with artificial pumps

Eos Amaterasu: senses keep perception circulating

Mary Korpov: Both are part of a single organism

Eos Amaterasu: back to the Cylons :-)

Mary Korpov: The who?

Eos Amaterasu: the androids in Battlestar Galactica

Mary Korpov: Oh right, i hate that show

Eos Amaterasu: I think they're drive by the question of what it means to be human

Eos Amaterasu: *driven

Mary Korpov: The old version is ok, but the new one is really horrid

Eos Amaterasu: could be - I'm just discovering it

Mary Korpov: My problem is one of logic. how is it that a civilization can figure out how to travel to the stars, but can't fix an astigmatism?

Mary Korpov: I mean, they wear glasses!

Eos Amaterasu: in the perspective of life an death being not two perfection takes on a different meaning

Mary Korpov: And in one episode I watched, they were using manila file folders. I wonder if when we figure out how to go to the stars we will store information on our spaceship in file cabinets with paper folders. I doubt they do that even on ISS.

Mary Korpov: Perfection is meaningless,

Mary Korpov: Well, I shoudl go. Sean Connery is about to drown. Oh good, he made it. He's SOOOOOO hot!

Eos Amaterasu: yes, the perfection of everything perfect is not too meaningful

Eos Amaterasu: Dr Yes

Mary Korpov: Talk about perfection!

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Eos Amaterasu: Enjoy Sean

Mary Korpov: Good night.

Eos Amaterasu: Good night, Mary!

Eos Amaterasu: Good night, moon!

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: Good night, PaBilion!