2009.10.05 19:00 - Back to the Garden

 

Eos was pinch-hitting for Fox. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.

(more or less unedited....)

Pila Mulligan: hi DOug

doug Sosa: hi pila.

Pila Mulligan: how are you?

doug Sosa: ok. to hour radio interview today. and a bucnh of meetings mostly in SL. just cooked dinner.

Pila Mulligan: sounds ok

Pila Mulligan: and the interview as about?

Pila Mulligan: hi Eos

Eos Amaterasu: Hi gang

Pila Mulligan: was*

doug Sosa: You know, when you are here it always feels real to me.

doug Sosa: When you arrive it always feels real here.

Pila Mulligan: hmmm

Eos Amaterasu: heh heh - a trick you can only pull off in SL

doug Sosa: ops, double typed. Interview about sustainability and garden world politics.

Pila Mulligan: your book theme, I enjoyed reading about it

doug Sosa: :)

doug Sosa: blush

Eos Amaterasu: book theme?

Pila Mulligan: I stopped at a new deli in the small village near my house today and the lady at the counter was talking about sustainable ag

doug Sosa: yes.

Pila Mulligan: seein the world as a garden if I may abuse the idea, Eos

doug Sosa: eaos, book theme: since EB wants to live in a combination of natire and civilization, why don't we use our wealth to go there?

Pila Mulligan: by over simplification

Pila Mulligan: as in Eden :)

Eos Amaterasu: how do we use our wealth to go there?

Pila Mulligan: ;0

doug Sosa: by intent. take any scene: make it greener, more productive of food and fruti, more useful inclimate moderation, more aesthetic, more recreational..

Eos Amaterasu: hmm, more an attended grove

Pila Mulligan: I've used the Eden analogy in arguing against unfettered development in Hawaii

Pila Mulligan: why do they call it Paradise?

doug Sosa: This worksanywhere, from inner city to the great wild.

Eos Amaterasu: hmm

doug Sosa: I read once a pamphlet by John Milton "on divorce". most helpful thing I found, and in it..

Eos Amaterasu: the phenomenal world is more or less our garden of Eden

doug Sosa: he sys, t"the purpose of marriage is to recreate the garden of eden. If that isn't what's haappening, it isn't the garden of Eden."

doug Sosa: the phenomoneal world is, but not well taken care of nor enhanced. that is the task. James Hillman makes it clear

Eos Amaterasu: Pila has the right question then - that sounds pretty idealized :-)

doug Sosa: that our sould is the quality of our experience, and hence includes the mucked up environment.

doug Sosa: right, guides intent.

Eos Amaterasu: "real" encounter with the natural "wild"

Eos Amaterasu: which often happens in nature, in the wild

--BELL--

doug Sosa: both adapt..

Eos Amaterasu: can help re-introduce us to our wild

doug Sosa: you can see our stanford wiki which is setting up seond life groups to explore the social side of sustainability at

Eos Amaterasu: Cool, Doug, I'll check this out, and tell my RL local Sl friend as well...

Pila Mulligan: I didn't see them doug :)

Pila Mulligan: I was there with a very old Hawaiian man in a loin cloth (called a malo here)

Pila Mulligan: he pointed to a rock at our feet that had bird droppings on it

Pila Mulligan: then he looked at me and projected a vision within a vision of airplanes flying over Hawaii ...

Pila Mulligan: dropping big globs of much on the land -- it was an easy to recognize image

Pila Mulligan: then it started to rain ... and he pointed to the rock ... as it was being washed clean

Pila Mulligan: in time

Pila Mulligan: it is inevitable

Pila Mulligan: the glop cannot sustain itself

Eos Amaterasu thinks, like an R Crumb cartoon

Pila Mulligan: cataclysm?

Pila Mulligan: perhaps

Eos Amaterasu: pain

Pila Mulligan: or maybe we wake up to the reality of the glop

Pila Mulligan: and avoid some of that

Eos Amaterasu: the glop is very powerful

Eos Amaterasu: but it gets its power from ignorance

Pila Mulligan: it isporoftable

Pila Mulligan: is profitable

Pila Mulligan: like aponzi scheme

Eos Amaterasu: defective DNA

Eos Amaterasu: delta from paradise

Pila Mulligan: you can see it here

Eos Amaterasu: money as debt is just that

Pila Mulligan: they sucked the beauty so dry

Pila Mulligan: tourists sit around looking at resorts now

Pila Mulligan: Disneyland

Pila Mulligan: yes

Eos Amaterasu: hmm, we are cartoonifying ourselves

Pila Mulligan: if we are around to do it is also inevitable

Pila Mulligan: yes

Pila Mulligan: already some resorts are being turned into better purposes

Pila Mulligan: as they become obsolete hulks at the age of 15 years

doug Sosa: I like to look at these issues from within the 9 sec. , let the categories go and the awareness swim.

Pila Mulligan: there are alot of homeless people here

Eos Amaterasu: Ah, how do you do that?

Pila Mulligan: and alot of empty hotel rooms

Eos Amaterasu: How do you do that with homeless people?

Pila Mulligan: well, we give them leftover food ...

doug Sosa: think of re-homesteading, with a requirement to includ agriculture in you plot.

Eos Amaterasu: a meme

doug Sosa: right now it is possible to use amricore people to coach and provide security, services, and welfare.

doug Sosa: Americore..

Eos Amaterasu: amricore?

Pila Mulligan: the problem is the obstruction of these ideas by a very few

Pila Mulligan: like a peace rops, Eos

Pila Mulligan: corps

Pila Mulligan: local

doug Sosa: Americore is a service through federal grants to cities to hire young people.

doug Sosa: think of a parade where everyone dresses up like clown versions of those very few, with accurate details.

Eos Amaterasu thinks, meme warfare

Pila Mulligan: gureilla theater

Eos Amaterasu: mime troupe

doug Sosa: the clash of symbols, the wrestling of meaphores..

doug Sosa: meta..

Pila Mulligan: mega owrks too

Eos Amaterasu has been dreaming of an Earth Cadet Net

Pila Mulligan: :)

Eos Amaterasu: habitat partners

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: your warriors of care

Eos Amaterasu: *young

doug Sosa: there is a fellow on the big island, has the earth battalion, Jim Channon, worth googling.

Eos Amaterasu: Pila and Doug, would you say that the state of mind of paradise is play as being?

doug Sosa: Eos, what of taking the earth cadt idea into the MAHB discusions?

Pila Mulligan: not quite :)

doug Sosa: right, not quite, but hospitable. and PaB is useful in clearing awasy ofld stuff.

Eos Amaterasu: Doug, I'd like to. I did a slide show on it a year or two ago....

doug Sosa: PaB and good reality are slightly at odds, the choice aristotle

doug Sosa: poses between the life of action and the life of reflection.

Eos Amaterasu doesn't understand how they are at odds

Pila Mulligan: sorry, lost you there -- MAHB discusions?

Eos Amaterasu: we wei is the way

Eos Amaterasu: re bringing the garden back into the plot

doug Sosa: Confscius says, "when you have studied enough, time for public service. Enough public service, time for meditation."

Pila Mulligan: :)

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

doug Sosa: MAHB is the sanford site, by inheritance, The Millenial Assessment of Human behavior. Mob for short. :)

Pila Mulligan: thanks

doug Sosa: wu wei is only part. much of the to is wei wum wei doing without doing.

doug Sosa: stanford...

doug Sosa: to=tao

doug Sosa: and wei wu wei... :(

Eos Amaterasu: Dzongsar Khyentse is introducing a 9-year retreat for his students, done thru a commitment of 2 hours per day, do the same as a traditional 3-year retreat, but he says much better, cause integrated with daily life

Pila Mulligan: Eos, n my epxereince the state of mind of paradise is not subject to any specific concept or description -- it is beyond langauge to borrow fromt he Third Patriarch

Eos Amaterasu: that should also be true of this very place, and time

Eos Amaterasu: are we not being (sung to the tune of "are we not devo") :-)

Pila Mulligan: chop wood, carry water

doug Sosa: there is a fascinating apparent paradox between detachment and eating.

Pila Mulligan: :)

Pila Mulligan: nice doug

Eos Amaterasu: if being doesn't come to chopping wood, carying water, it's not really here

doug Sosa: :)

Eos Amaterasu: Something like the mind/heart of PaB is necessary, is it not?

doug Sosa: Yesterday I stacked two cords of wood for the winter..

Eos Amaterasu: How to _be_, more than how to _do_

doug Sosa: tried the 9 sec in the process. good.

Eos Amaterasu: I'll be doing that shortly

Pila Mulligan: I use propane :)

Eos Amaterasu: three cords

doug Sosa: in the process of carying the wood !

doug Sosa: ah, same page.

Eos Amaterasu: those kinds of activities are good

doug Sosa: three is a lot.

Eos Amaterasu: they are a little bit boring

Eos Amaterasu: so you can relax into that

doug Sosa: then there emerges the rhytm

Eos Amaterasu: and appreciate

Pila Mulligan: but here it is just a heater giving a boost of several degrees to take a chillynip out of the air

Pila Mulligan: not real heating

doug Sosa: we need another process o Hawaii. I wonder what. Pila ever hear of Jim Dator? Univ of Hawaii futurist?

Pila Mulligan: maybe, the name is somehow familiar

doug Sosa: a few degrees might be possible with composting.

doug Sosa: friends, thanks for this wonderful discussion. I do need to go. Bye.

Eos Amaterasu: bye doug

Pila Mulligan: have a nice evening Doug

Pila Mulligan: see you next time

doug Sosa: :)

Eos Amaterasu: was Doug suggesting you surround your house with compost?

Pila Mulligan: Doug seems firmly panted in saving the planet

Pila Mulligan: planted*

Pila Mulligan: well the cows under the house were a simila ridea

Pila Mulligan: in the past millenium

Pila Mulligan: not comopost, but a heat source

Eos Amaterasu: The barn at Windhorse Farm is heated through the winter by compost

Pila Mulligan: it does ont get very cold here

Pila Mulligan: yep, convecting

Eos Amaterasu: and supports animals there, who contribute further to the compost

Pila Mulligan: I heard a very samrt idea recently combining hydoproncs with aquaculture

Eos Amaterasu: you need a couple of home elephants, Pila, and you'll be all set

Pila Mulligan: :)

Pila Mulligan: would love to have them

Pila Mulligan: these guys are taking water from their fishponds and cyclcing themt hrough their hydroponics greenhouses

Pila Mulligan: fish ppop feeds plants

Pila Mulligan: plants clean water for fish

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: e c o l o g y

Pila Mulligan: has someone claimed this session?

Eos Amaterasu: when you're not thinking of anything problems solve themselves

Pila Mulligan: I'd be happt to if not

Eos Amaterasu: yes, I have

Pila Mulligan: ok

Pila Mulligan: problems solve themselves in time

Eos Amaterasu: problems are questions let loose

Pila Mulligan: but the harm is sometimes aggravated the longer the problems last -- e.g. Iraq

Eos Amaterasu: yeah, long-lasting neuroses, patterns, stucknesses

Pila Mulligan: so itis a tough call as to when to act to resist a problem's continuation

Pila Mulligan: but that is dharma skill

Eos Amaterasu: no really clean action, perhaps

Pila Mulligan: well, I have succeeded and failed quite a few times in my life int his regard

Pila Mulligan: and canot find a comon characterizatin

Pila Mulligan: things just happen

Eos Amaterasu: Oh, this was Fox's session

Pila Mulligan: we have stopped some really big problems here

Pila Mulligan: by collective action

Pila Mulligan: but we have also failed to stop some equally big ones

Pila Mulligan: Fox is busy withsomething unexpected I heard

Pila Mulligan: she will be grateful for your help

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Eos Amaterasu: Pila, I will head to be - tomorrow is my shift here....

Eos Amaterasu: to bed

Eos Amaterasu: also to be

Pila Mulligan: ok, Eos, nice to sit with you, as always

Pila Mulligan: sweet dreams :) (thinking of Fox's lab)

Eos Amaterasu: A quote from Keats (Psyche):

Eos Amaterasu:

 

And in the midst of this wide quietness
A rosy sanctuary will I dress
With the wreath'd trellis of a working brain,
With buds, and bells, and stars without a name,
With all the gardener Fancy e'er could fiegn,
Who breeding flowers, will never breed the same:
And there shall be for thee all soft delight
That shadowy thought can win,
A bright torch, and a casement ope at night,
To let the warm Love in!

 

Pila Mulligan: :)

Pila Mulligan: sweet

Pila Mulligan: aloha