2013.09.08 07:00 - holding the intention of kindness

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bleu Oleander. The comments are by Bleu Oleander.

     

    DR42 Resident: 's current display-name is "Marjorie Chardin".
    DR42 Resident: ηαмαѕтє
    Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
    Bleu Oleander: hiya Maude
    Bleu Oleander: how r u?
    DR42 Resident: Doing well. You?
    Bleu Oleander: pretty good thanks :)
    Bleu Oleander: have there been many conversations on this weeks topic?
    DR42 Resident: Not really, mostly just chat.
    Bleu Oleander: do you think people like having the topics?
    DR42 Resident: Yes, but I am at a loss for what would be an engaging topic.
    Bleu Oleander: well today at the guardian mtg we will come up with 2 more :)
    --BELL--

    Catrinamonblue Resident: 's current display-name is "Catrinamonblue".
    DR42 Resident: Hi Cat
    Bleu Oleander: hi Cat :)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: hi guys :)
    Bleu Oleander: how's your weekend going?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: been busy :) have a friend coming by this afternoon for a visit :)
    Bleu Oleander: nice :)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Bleu Oleander: have you thought much about this week's topic?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: intention of kindness, have though of it as a reverse of holding anger
    Bleu Oleander: ah interesting
    Catrinamonblue Resident: when you let go the negative only the positive remains and softens your view of those around you
    Bleu Oleander: softens ... interesting word
    Catrinamonblue Resident: anger is a hard edge you keep between yourself and the world in order to not be hurt
    Bleu Oleander: is anger ever justified?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: not that I have seen
    Catrinamonblue Resident: it seems to get in the way of understanding
    Bleu Oleander: I find sometimes I do get angry by injustice and it may jumpstart me to some action which then might lead to understanding
    Bleu Oleander: understanding is not always the first response, although one hopes it would be
    Catrinamonblue Resident: nods
    Bleu Oleander: a subject could be what leads to understanding?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: yes
    Bleu Oleander: different pathways
    Bleu Oleander: is understanding a first response?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: maybe sustained anger is a block where initial anger is more a compassion response?
    Bleu Oleander: yes I think so
    --BELL--

    Catrinamonblue Resident: understanding comes I think when anger moves to compassion
    Bleu Oleander: hi Kori :)
    Korel Laloix: Bozho
    Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Kori :)
    Korel Laloix: Bleu you are not looking nearly as Blue as Marjorie today... smiles
    Bleu Oleander: lol
    Korel Laloix: That was not meant to be unkind.... grins
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Bleu Oleander: ur right I should be more blue haha
    DR42 Resident: Yes, I am blue... :)
    Korel Laloix: I know the feeling...frowns
    Korel Laloix: SL is being very strange to me today.
    Korel Laloix: Marjorie looks like you are pulsing
    Korel Laloix: Cat is all angular... strange.
    Bleu Oleander: hey Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: morning
    Bleu Oleander: looking gorgeous today as always
    Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Steve beautiful dress :)
    Korel Laloix: And a lot of things red eventhough I don't have Hightlight Transparent on.
    Korel Laloix: heya
    Bleu Oleander: perhaps need to relog Kori?
    stevenaia Michinaga: thank you, my personal shopper strikes again
    Korel Laloix: Think I might redownload Pheonix.. it is being just odd.
    Korel Laloix: Was doing this earlier today when I was on as well.
    Bleu Oleander: that not good!
    Bleu Oleander: who is your personal shopper?
    Korel Laloix: Just going to look for the current best version.
    Korel Laloix: Personall shoppper?.. that takes all the fun out of it.
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: not if you dislike shopping
    Korel Laloix: One of the best things about SL is the shopping cheap.
    Korel Laloix: reinstalling.. brb
    Bleu Oleander: kk
    stevenaia Michinaga: well for some the act of shopping for certain things (like clothes) seems like a distraction
    Bleu Oleander: can be fun to design your own though
    stevenaia Michinaga: and in my case a frustration
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, you excel at that bleu
    Bleu Oleander: it's mostly self defense ... don't like shopping either :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: building is much more satisfying
    Bleu Oleander: fun also
    DR42 Resident: Stevenaia, what does your tag mean?
    stevenaia Michinaga: ...looks up, I am wearing my IChing tag
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems to match my komono
    DR42 Resident: TY
    stevenaia Michinaga: not exactly sure what it mean specifically
    Lovertje Blinker: 's current display-name is "Lotus".
    stevenaia Michinaga: although chinese characters usually tell as story in addition to being "words"
    Catrinamonblue Resident: wb Korel :)
    Korel Laloix: heya
    Bleu Oleander: better Kori?
    stevenaia Michinaga: wb Korel
    Bleu Oleander: hi Lotus
    Bleu Oleander: come join us
    Korel Laloix: Yes... still have the red issue though.. probably a setting thing.
    Lovertje Blinker: 's current display-name is "Lotus".
    Bleu Oleander: have u been here before?
    Lovertje Blinker: i was figure out how i get this landmark
    Lovertje Blinker: maybe sunshine give me
    --BELL--

    Bleu Oleander: ah yes our Sunji :)
    Bleu Oleander: just to let you know Lotus, we record sessions here and place them on our public wiki... is it okay to include your name and comments?
    Bleu Oleander: earlier we were talking about kindness and understanding
    Bleu Oleander: our theme this week was intention of kindness
    Lovertje Blinker: ok :)
    Bleu Oleander: thank you :)
    Korel Laloix: SL is not being kind to me at the moment... is that intentional?
    Bleu Oleander: haha
    stevenaia Michinaga: was thinking after our conversation at the 7:00 session is... what do you do when kindness is misunderstood and not taken as delivered?
    Bleu Oleander: unintentional unkindness lol
    Bleu Oleander: good question Steve
    Lovertje Blinker: sometime it can be small and little without words "just a smile "
    Korel Laloix: It is hard to accept constructive criticism as kindness.
    Bleu Oleander: one person's idea of kindness can be different than anothers?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: there is nothing you can do, the others reaction is their own and nothing can change that but them really, only thing I could see would be to leave alone
    Bleu Oleander: is there a universal "kindness"?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: sometimes leaving alone is a kindness
    Korel Laloix: Sometimes slapping someone back to the senses is kindness as well.
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Korel Laloix: THere are some very strange lines that we draw I think.
    Bleu Oleander: or taking a different tack maybe
    Lovertje Blinker: Help whenever you can, and be sure to expect nothing in return.
    Bleu Oleander: nice :)
    Korel Laloix: Intentions has a lot ot do with it I think.
    Catrinamonblue Resident: I wonder if that's part of it, expectations, that we place on our intentions
    Bleu Oleander: not always apparent the best way to help
    Lovertje Blinker: lucky we are human and can make faults and later do what feels good in our hearts and soul
    Korel Laloix: I think we are more apt to take constructive input if we are aware that it will not benifit the suggestor.
    Korel Laloix: And we do express kindness in different ways to different sorts of people.
    Korel Laloix: Young vs old
    Korel Laloix: Family vs not
    Korel Laloix: etc
    Bleu Oleander: resiprocity?
    Bleu Oleander: what about mutual kindness?
    Korel Laloix looks up word
    Bleu Oleander: hehe
    stevenaia Michinaga: my sense of best intentions of my kindness may not be how you see those directed intentions, the "intention" delemma
    Bleu Oleander: kindness leading to more kindness
    Lovertje Blinker: love
    Bleu Oleander: exactly
    Lovertje Blinker: for us self and then later for others too
    Bleu Oleander: kindness is contagious
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, so is love
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Korel Laloix: so is unkindness unfortunatly
    Bleu Oleander: right so intention is important then
    Bleu Oleander: a good start anyway
    Lovertje Blinker: but maby the just can not help it because they never learn ore feel it
    Lovertje Blinker: and in that we can help that feel it and give our best intentions to help
    Bleu Oleander: feel it ourselves and teach by our example?
    Lovertje Blinker: we can only be ourself and do what is good for us
    Lovertje Blinker: and maybe we help another with it
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Lovertje Blinker: we show they feel and make a chooise of there own
    Korel Laloix: But sometimes we are kind to others at the expense of ourselves.. and that is perfectly OK.
    stevenaia Michinaga: so before intentions there needs to be some degree of trust of the person delivering the kindness so you can believe it is true
    --BELL--

    Korel Laloix: On at least non-suspision...I hear a lot of alarm bells when a guy offers some form of kindness and I don't know him sometimes.
    Korel Laloix: But I have been conditioned to think that way.
    Bleu Oleander: ah so know your "kindness giver" :)
    Bleu Oleander: your trust may have been hurt?
    Lovertje Blinker: hello Breezer
    Bleu Oleander: hello Breezer
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Breezer
    Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Breezer :)
    Breezer Tomsen: hello :-)
    Bleu Oleander: have you been here before?
    stevenaia Michinaga: wb Korel
    Breezer Tomsen: yes serveral times
    Bleu Oleander: ok welcome back :)
    Breezer Tomsen: thnks
    Bleu Oleander: we are talking about kindness
    Bleu Oleander: and holding an intention of kindness
    Breezer Tomsen: ah ok that is a very beautiful subject
    Bleu Oleander: indeed


    Bleu Oleander: so perhaps we can all leave this session holding an intention of kindness?
    Bleu Oleander: see how long we can hold it?


    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Lovertje Blinker: i go be kind for meself now and sleep an hour :)
    Lovertje Blinker: nice to meet you all maybe till next time
    Bleu Oleander: :) Lotus
    Bleu Oleander: nice to meet you
    Bleu Oleander: take care and sleep well
    Catrinamonblue Resident: have a good sleep Lotus :)
    Lovertje Blinker: same :)
    Lovertje Blinker: bye <3
    Breezer Tomsen: bye lotus


    Bleu Oleander: perhaps too we can watch what interrupts our intention for kindness?


    Bleu Oleander: and then what brings it back?
    Breezer Tomsen: impatience for me I guess
    Catrinamonblue Resident: nods
    Bleu Oleander: quick judgement perhaps?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, I see it on the road many times
    Bleu Oleander: preconceived ideas, biases
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes so much is gained by slowing down, in patience, judgement
    Bleu Oleander: unconscious biases even


    Bleu Oleander: interesting research here: https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/
    Bleu Oleander: revealing to take the tests
    Bleu Oleander: perhaps some of these hidden biases get in the way of kindness?


    stevenaia Michinaga: adds that to todays activities, thanks bleu
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: ty Bleu :) looks interesting
    Bleu Oleander: its very interesting
    Catrinamonblue Resident: going to mossy over for the meeting now :)
    Bleu Oleander: ok thanks all for coming
    Bleu Oleander: take care
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Breezer Tomsen: thank you bye bye
    Bleu Oleander: bye bye
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice seeing you Breezer
    Breezer Tomsen: thnks stevenaia bit short but maybe longer next time
    Breezer Tomsen: have a nice day
    Breezer Tomsen: bye bye

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