2014.01.06 13:00 - Fractal-like Gospels

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.
     
     
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay
    Agatha Macbeth: herro Riz ♥
    Eliza Madrigal: Herro Agatha :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce :) Hi Zon :)
    Agatha Macbeth: And Blucie
    Agatha Macbeth: And Zon
    Bruce Mowbray: Howdy do!
    Eliza Madrigal: I just found this silly AO in inventory... pretty fun
    Agatha Macbeth: Wollie! ♥
    Zon Kwan: heya
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol :) How are you feeling?
    Agatha Macbeth: Looks fun too
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Wol, Eliza, Zon, and aggers.
     
    --BELL--

    Eliza Madrigal: great dress, Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: The skating invalid
    Agatha Macbeth: Thanks :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Agatha Macbeth: Feeling better folks?
    Bruce Mowbray: Blub wishes he understood "skating." and also "skating invalid..."
    Wol Euler: no, feeling the same old ones. Not sure where to find differnet folks to feel
    Agatha Macbeth hits you
    Bruce Mowbray: !
    Wol Euler giggles.
    Wol Euler: ah, the old jokes are hte best.
    Eliza Madrigal: I was feeling better yesterday... today am a bit off... so this should be fun
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh dear.
    Wol Euler: aww, sorry to hear it, eliza
    Bruce Mowbray: Sry to hear that, Eliza.
    Agatha Macbeth: Tell yer body to make up its mind
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: we're getting a cold front...so that may be it...hope so
    Bruce Mowbray: A COLD front!?
    Agatha Macbeth: Better than a cold back
    Eliza Madrigal: ::rolls eyes:::
     
    Wol Euler: how cold is "cold" in florida?
    Bruce Mowbray: It just dropped to minus one degree here.... with 22 mph winds (sorry for the English measurings, aggers and Wol and Zon(?)
    Eliza Madrigal: 40*F overnight
    Wol Euler: oh wow
    Eliza Madrigal: 60* tomorrow
    Bruce Mowbray: omg.
    Eliza Madrigal: then back to 80 the next day :)
    Bruce Mowbray: omg * 9
    Eliza Madrigal: Winter is finally here
    Eliza Madrigal: lolllol
    Agatha Macbeth: Must be hard to tell
    Bruce Mowbray: I will give you a graphic that shows you what "winter" looks like.
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: At least you have your jumper on
     
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Zenny
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
    Wol Euler: hello zen, how's the water?
    Zon Kwan: hi zen:)
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Zen.
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    Agatha Macbeth: Wet?
    Zen Arado: ok
    Eliza Madrigal: Bruce and Zen, you are both precariously placed atm
    Eliza Madrigal: (typsts are anyway)
    Zen Arado: sandbags were ready but wind not so strong today
    Eliza Madrigal: Yikes, Bruce! brrrrr
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers, brrrr.
    Agatha Macbeth: The last train to Clarksburg
    Bruce Mowbray: But I'm here (partly to take my typist's mind off of it, so nevermind.)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: and I'll meet you at the station...hums
    Wol Euler: so, hey, what about those Tigers?
    Agatha Macbeth: We'll do our best to entertain you Bruce
    Zen Arado: what's 0 F in derees C?
    Eliza Madrigal: :::makes silly faces::::
    Bruce Mowbray: We don't talk about that, Wol.
    Agatha Macbeth: Um
    Zen Arado: funny but Fahrenheit is meaningless to me now
    Wol Euler: -18, zen
    Agatha Macbeth: Me too
    Bruce Mowbray: It is below 0 in C, but not sure by how much.....
    Zen Arado: ow cold
    Bruce Mowbray: kk, -18. . . . cooooool!
    Agatha Macbeth: Kewl
     
    Eliza Madrigal: if okay I'd prefer to take normal pauses today...
    Bruce Mowbray: kk, normal pauses today.
    Eliza Madrigal: alright with everyone?
    Wol Euler: okay
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh ok
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks... just foggy headed and might nod off, hah
    Zen Arado: sure
    Wol Euler struggles to conceal her deep disappointment
    Eliza Madrigal: aw
    Agatha Macbeth: Are you feeling especially talkative then?
    Eliza Madrigal: not particularly :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm
    Wol Euler: falling asleep is a danger that I too would run, to tell the truth
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh I see
    Agatha Macbeth: Zzzz
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Wol Euler: I had an hour's nap at lunchtime, which was good, but still feeling very tired
     
    Bruce Mowbray: I don't mean to embarrass Zon or to put him on the spot, but I really enjoyed his remarks at Pamala's Think Tank on Saturday....
    Eliza Madrigal: you probably need a week's more rest than you're used to Wol
    Wol Euler nods.
    Agatha Macbeth: You sleepy furry you
    Eliza Madrigal: Thing Tank....giggles
    Wol Euler: oh, do tell!
    Wol Euler listens.
    Bruce Mowbray listens for more on Wol's condition.
    Zon Kwan: what did i say?
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    Agatha Macbeth: I like a thing tank
    Bruce Mowbray: You talked about how we cannot jump out of the system.
    Eliza Madrigal: which system?
    Bruce Mowbray: heh heh
    Bruce Mowbray: This one.
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Zon Kwan: ah..because i didnt understand the topic
    Zon Kwan: lol
    Agatha Macbeth: Solar?
    Bruce Mowbray: Her topic was whether we can pop out of this reality.
    Bruce Mowbray: and you said, "We ARE THIS REALITY."
    Eliza Madrigal: that makes sense
    Agatha Macbeth: That's our Zen for you
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, you certainly did an excellent job of discussing something you didn't understand, then.
    Zen Arado: Zon
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Sanji
    Eliza Madrigal: Zon, do you remember what you thought to articulate?
    Bruce Mowbray: Heay, San!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi San :)
    Wol Euler: hello san
    Zen Arado: Hi San
    Santoshima Resident: hello ~
    Zen Arado: multiple realities?
     
    Eliza Madrigal: So, keeping with the topic... we are 'stuck' then?
    Zen Arado: shows no one really knows what reality is
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, excellent segue, Eliza.
    Agatha Macbeth: Stuck in the middle with you
    Eliza Madrigal: we are the metaphorical tar baby?
    Zen Arado: really :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Are we stuck in THIS reality? Or just stuck . . . in realities of our own making, perhaps.
    Zon Kwan: yes zen
    Bruce Mowbray loves Tar Baby image.
    Zen Arado: but if we make them they aren't real
    Zen Arado: are they?
    Agatha Macbeth: Real to real
    Zen Arado: guess they must be too
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, I'm surely not going to accept others' realities as real either -- in that case.
    Eliza Madrigal: "just because its all in your head doesn't mean it isn't real" <--Dumbledore said to Harry
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Hands off my reality'
    Zen Arado: but my reality is realer than yours
    Zen Arado: heh
    Bruce Mowbray recalls the "Virginia Reel" (dance)
    Zen Arado: get real
    Zen Arado: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
    Agatha Macbeth: Real gone kid
     
    Eliza Madrigal: approaching pause :)
    Agatha Macbeth looks for the pause
    Eliza Madrigal: :::settles down:::::
    Zen Arado: a real pause?
    Eliza Madrigal: real paws with real claws
     
    --BELL--
     
    Zon's thoughts...
     
    Zon Kwan: i read a point of 2 realities, one absolute, other relative
    Zon Kwan: and both are real
    Zon Kwan: but we should not mix them
    Bruce Mowbray wonders what an "absolute reality" would feel like, look like, be like.
    Zon Kwan: it is this
    Zon Kwan: but you sitting here are part of my relative reality
    Zon Kwan: as i am yours
    Eliza Madrigal: I feel the opposite Zon... I do appreciate the absolute/relative distinction but feel that actualization means exactly that... integration
    Bruce Mowbray: or part of my absolute reality
    Zon Kwan: no
    Zon Kwan: you dont have
    Bruce Mowbray listens.
    Zon Kwan: absolute reality
    Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmmm.
    Bruce Mowbray continues to listen.
    Zon Kwan: absolute reaily is all
    Zon Kwan: that is
    Zon Kwan: and can be
    Zon Kwan: you as a separate entity
    Bruce Mowbray: (so, absolutel includes potential... realities?)
    Zon Kwan: have relative reality
    Eliza Madrigal: agree that no 'one' could 'have' absolute reality
    Eliza Madrigal: if following you
    Eliza Madrigal: but whether we 'have' relative reality is a question too :)
    Zon Kwan: of course we have
     
    Zon Kwan: are you stiing on a chair eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: blue cushion
    Zon Kwan: it is real to you
    Eliza Madrigal: ^.^
    Eliza Madrigal: somewhat
    Zon Kwan: but from other perspective
    Zon Kwan: it is just
    Zon Kwan: waving particles
    Eliza Madrigal: it isn't entirely real to me... I guess I'm saying... it isn't unquestioned
    Zon Kwan: you sit on it
    Zon Kwan: it must be real to your relatively real person
     
    Zen Arado: sounds like the 'two truths' of Buddhism
    Zen Arado: 'What is reality? Dictionaries tell us that reality is "the state of things as they actually exist." In Mahayana Buddhism, reality is explained in the doctrine of the Two Truths. This doctrine tells us that existence can be understood as both ultimate and conventional (or, absolute and relative). Conventional truth is how we usually see the world, a place full of diverse and distinctive things and beings. The ultimate truth is that there are no distinctive things or beings.'
    Zon Kwan: nods
     
    Eliza Madrigal: real enough
    Zon Kwan: yes eliza
    Bruce Mowbray: I was thinking the same, Zen.
    Eliza Madrigal: but still conceptual
    Eliza Madrigal: dichotomy
    Zon Kwan: real enough to sit on
    Zon Kwan: no..its experimentally real
    Zen Arado: 'Conventional truth' I like that
    Zon Kwan: as you feel the sitting expereince
    Zon Kwan: on it
     
    Zen Arado: truth as we know it
    Zon Kwan: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: But, I still feel that an Absolute Reality would have to be more, somehow, than the sum of all possible relative realities.
    Zen Arado: but our senses are limited
    Eliza Madrigal: my son and I were discussing the idea of 'theoretical physics'... it isn't really ultimately testable, but testable enough, and not just anyone can do it... must be a base of knowledge
    Zen Arado: to me absolute truth is unknowable
    Agatha Macbeth: Ain Soph
     
    Zon Kwan: buddhism quote is right
    Zon Kwan: but the point is
    Zon Kwan: dont mix
    Zon Kwan: them
    Zon Kwan: saying
    Zon Kwan: well we are not real
    Zon Kwan: chair is not real
    Zon Kwan: that doesnt lead to anything
    Zon Kwan: just concepts
    Zen Arado: yes...we use our concepts etc but remember things aren't really real ultimately
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, okay... you are saying for the sake of discussion we should stay in one arena or another... but you are also saying that from a buddhism conceptual arena stance
    Zon Kwan: i think i say that we should work with the reailty we can
    Zon Kwan: and not belittle it
    Zen Arado: nice article
    Bruce Mowbray: a "functional" reality -- works for me!
    Zon Kwan: yes
    Zon Kwan: knowing at same time
    Zon Kwan: its realtive
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Zon Kwan: thats the fun part
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
     
    Eliza Madrigal: I agree... no belittling... appreciate the presence of all that appears (as a presentation by [absolute?] Being
    Zen Arado: n the Heart Sutra, we read, "Form is no other than emptiness; emptiness no other than form. Form is exactly emptiness; emptiness exactly form." The absolute is the relative, the relative is the absolute. Together, they make up reality.
    Zon Kwan: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: signless nature of signs    (Diamond Sutra)
    Zen Arado: so that's reality cleared up then
    Zen Arado: :)
    Zon Kwan: but it is a living thing
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm
     
    Bruce Mowbray: This weekend I was ponodering how no matter how many layers of "ourside stuff" you peel away, you can still only see more outside stuff underneath it.
    Bruce Mowbray: So, Itr's outside stuff all the way in.
    Bruce Mowbray: (sort of like turtles all the way down...)
    Eliza Madrigal: say more, Bruce? (after pause)
    Zen Arado: no end in any direction
     
    Agatha Macbeth: I agree with Blub
    Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
     
    --BELL--

    Zen Arado: micro or macro
    Bruce Mowbray: 
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zon Kwan: eternal creation and dance
     
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, regarding the "outside" stuff and layers stuff, the media has been telling us that whoever doesn't wish to freeze solid in about two minutes when it's 40 below - should wear layers....
    Bruce Mowbray: and so, I was thinking about layers,
    Bruce Mowbray: and about how no matter how many layers one pulls away,
    Bruce Mowbray: one still only sees the outsides of things.
    Eliza Madrigal: what if all the layers are transparent
    Bruce Mowbray: (which is one reason that I thought TSK was so profound to begin with an image of being on the insides of things... like one's body.
     
    Bruce Mowbray: sry about all these typos. my typist's fingers are cold.
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Zon Kwan: some layers are trasparent
    Eliza Madrigal: no worries at all... I fix them for you, even though not for others that don't mind them
    Bruce Mowbray gives Eliza a big warm hug.
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal big hug back
    Bruce Mowbray: making Blub very jealous.
     
    Eliza Madrigal: well, I should make the qualification ... unless someone remarks/jokes about a typo...
    Eliza Madrigal: then I leave it :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm.
    Eliza Madrigal: so thing tank will stay :P
    Bruce Mowbray: How would you know if something wew transparent, Zen?
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Bruce Mowbray: better make it Think Tank, please.
    Zen Arado: transparent is a funny word too
    Zon Kwan: thats why we dont see them
    Zen Arado: not invisible
    Eliza Madrigal: okay will make a note
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... there but not inherently obstructive
    Bruce Mowbray: Really, it's quite all right to leave all of my typist's tyops.
    Eliza Madrigal: and adding dimension the more layers  (but no more space taken up)
    Bruce Mowbray: He doesn't care, really.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: tyops!?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
    Zen Arado: people should be transparent?
    Zen Arado: yes?
    Bruce Mowbray listens.
    Zon Kwan: not women
     
    Agatha Macbeth: The invisible man
    Eliza Madrigal: Bruce, in your wonderful Sunday School talk, you described a fractaling of reading/writing....
    Bruce Mowbray: yes.
    Bruce Mowbray: I did that.
    Bruce Mowbray: (TY for that compliment, btw).
    Eliza Madrigal: I wish I could remember the way you articulated it but it was quite astute and if you could 'say more' here it would touch on what I mean by transparent layers in a way too
    Bruce Mowbray: I was discribing how the Gospel of John has many layers...
    Bruce Mowbray: like a fractal....
    Zen Arado: like a jewel?
    Bruce Mowbray: Themes that begin in the first chapter, for example,
    Zen Arado: many facets
    Bruce Mowbray: get recapitulated...
    Zen Arado: ah
    Bruce Mowbray: as with a cantata by Bach...
    Bruce Mowbray: in different keys, tempos, and scenarios.
    Bruce Mowbray: And such make that Gospel fractal-like.
    Bruce Mowbray: I hope I'm answering your question.
    Wol Euler: what a fascinating statement
    Wol Euler: I'll have to go and re-read it
    Zen Arado: John was the last gospel I believe?
    Bruce Mowbray: It was a discovery, actually.
    Eliza Madrigal: yes.... thanks Bruce
    Zen Arado: written about 100 years after death of Christ?
    Bruce Mowbray: I discovered that every time I listened to a reading of the gospel, I heard something new -- some "echo" of things in other parts.
    Bruce Mowbray: It was supposedly written in the early 90's.
    Zon Kwan likes the idea of cantata as fractal
    Zen Arado: John never knew Jesus
    Eliza Madrigal: people often describe the way that when we go back and read something over again, we've changed and so read it differently... but I think there is more to what has been called "living writing" and why it is termed that way
    Zen Arado: I read
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, he surely says he did know Jesus.
    Zen Arado: oh?
    Bruce Mowbray: The youngest of the disciplines, actually.
    Bruce Mowbray: He leaned his head on Jesus' chest at the last supper...
    Bruce Mowbray: etc etc etc....
    Zen Arado: remember the theology vaguely
    Zen Arado: different opinions though
    Eliza Madrigal: some have said john was inserted for mary
    Bruce Mowbray: but in a way, you are right, because John only appears twice in his own gospel.
    Wol Euler: I always thought that when he said "the disciple whom Jesus loved, he meant himself"
    Eliza Madrigal: (magdalene)
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers, Wol.
    Zen Arado: I thought he wasn't the disciple John
    Bruce Mowbray: That's the general interpretation.
    Wol Euler: and found that pretty arrogant actually
     
    Bruce Mowbray: He repeats that phrase about 6 times. . . The one that Jesus loved.
    Zon Kwan: the understanding changes on rereading as the observer has changed
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: GOOD point, Zon!
    Wol Euler nods.
    Bruce Mowbray: another relative perceptual thing.
    Eliza Madrigal: I do think there is more to it than that... layers that are there in the writing before the writer has them
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, indeed, Eliza.
    Bruce Mowbray: please say more.
    Zen Arado: layers of monks rewriting the gospels through the ages
     
    Eliza Madrigal: I remember Eos sent me a link of Joni Mitchell...
    Eliza Madrigal: she said she didn't really get what she was singing, when she wrote Both Sides Now
    Bruce Mowbray: amazing.
    Zen Arado: ah it was too deep
    Eliza Madrigal: she hadn't even grown into the song when she wrote it
    Agatha Macbeth: The gospel of Joni
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I hear something different every time I hear "Both Sides Now"
    Eliza Madrigal: me too
    Eliza Madrigal: it is alive
    Bruce Mowbray: (especially since she mentions the state of Ohio!)
    Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Zen Arado: I really don't know love at all
    Zen Arado: true
     
    Bruce Mowbray: so, "both" implies only TWO sides?
    Bruce Mowbray: why not 222222222222 sides?
    Zen Arado: dualistic song :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :P
    Eliza Madrigal: the dualism is just the edges... just the way in
    Bruce Mowbray: The more sides you give to a regular polygon, the more it looks like a circle...
     
    --BELL--

    Zen Arado: something lost and something gained in living every day
    Bruce Mowbray: until it is impossible to tell the difference.
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Buona sera QT
    Bruce Mowbray wonders if there is a "transparent circle" hiding within every polygon.
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Qt :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Qt!
    Qt Core: Hi all
    Zon Kwan: hi qt
    Wol Euler: hello qt
     
    Eliza Madrigal: I was thinking of moving my session to Friday 7am (in order to take Mon/Wed off schedule if others would move) but seeing all of you here I'm changing my mind
    Bruce Mowbray: (Best to ask the architect.)
    Zen Arado: Hi Qt
    Bruce Mowbray: This is one of my favorite sessions of the whole week, Eliza.
    Zen Arado: the architect of our fate
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    Bruce Mowbray: But if you move, I will follow.
    Eliza Madrigal: aw, thanks... just playing with ideas to make the schedule work for PaB on the whole
    Eliza Madrigal: easier to say "we're here every day, cept for ___ and ___"
    Wol Euler: I would be sorry to miss your session
    Eliza Madrigal: I like this time too
     
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe we should get rid of dedicated slots altogether and let whoever shows up post it
    Zen Arado: yeh I don't like 7am time
    Bruce Mowbray: Yeah, the Europeans need our American afternoon sessions if they work during the day, Eliza.
    Zen Arado: it is halfway through afternoon for me
    Wol Euler nods.
    Bruce Mowbray: also nods.
    Zen Arado: I can't start anything
    Zon Kwan: nods too
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks for the feedback
     
    Bruce Mowbray: Who is this (visitor) and what does she want?
    Zen Arado: one of the reasons I gave mine up
    Agatha Macbeth: I noticed Sun and Xira had both given theirs up, that prompted the thought
    Wol Euler looks around curiously.
    Agatha Macbeth: (visitor)?
    Eliza Madrigal: huh? I guess she wants you... isn't IMing me
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Wol Euler: a secret admirer!
    Eliza Madrigal: must be the antlers
    Agatha Macbeth: Ms Uki
    Wol Euler nods.
    Bruce Mowbray: [13:50] (visitor) entered the region (53.74 m). --- repeated at least two dozen times.
    Bruce Mowbray: and continuing to repeat even now.
    Wol Euler: ah, that isn't her, that is your radar. turn it off
    Bruce Mowbray: Is she transparent, then?
    Eliza Madrigal: she seems to be stuck on an edge
    Agatha Macbeth: She's currently 45m away
    Agatha Macbeth: A noob from the looks of it
    Eliza Madrigal: I saw her in the field, walking in place
    Wol Euler nods.
    Bruce Mowbray: Maybe she's a fractal!
    Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
    Agatha Macbeth: And she seems stuck yes
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
     
    Eliza Madrigal: well somehow we've arrived back on topic, without even trying...
    Eliza Madrigal: sticky webs (and grooves?)
     
    Agatha Macbeth: Trapped on the sim boundary I think
    Bruce Mowbray: That's how it works, Eliza.
    Bruce Mowbray: Wu wei.
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
     
    Wol Euler: any topic sufficiently sticky will inevitably be returned to
    Eliza Madrigal: perfect!
    Wol Euler smiles modestly.
     
    Agatha Macbeth: More friction please
    Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
     
    Zen Arado: I'm stuck for something to say
    Zen Arado: so will listen
    Eliza Madrigal looks at Zen in anticipation
     
    Bruce Mowbray: np. Zen-ji.
    Bruce Mowbray: It will say itself....
    Zen Arado: maybe it does through each of us
    Zen Arado: we are just mouthpieces
    Zen Arado: in a nice way
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: I hope
    Zon Kwan: relatively real moutpieces...
     
    Zen Arado: vaguey remember Pema Chodron talking about 'stuckness'
    Wol Euler: I'm going to go and talk to (visitor), see what her problem is. back in a bit
    Eliza Madrigal: shenpa
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks Wol, kind of you
    Zen Arado: ah yes
    Bruce Mowbray: This is a good example of that, Zen.
    Agatha Macbeth: Tell her to relog
    Bruce Mowbray: or was it Zon?
    Eliza Madrigal: shenpa is the 'hook
    Bruce Mowbray: I can't keep track with (visitor) come in so frequently.
    Eliza Madrigal: or maybe snag is a better term
    Bruce Mowbray: snag is a great term.
    Agatha Macbeth: Think Bieup wouldn't let her in for some reason
    Zen Arado: like we have hooks sticking out of us
    Bruce Mowbray: velcro-us.
    Agatha Macbeth: WB Wollie
    Zen Arado: wb Wol
    Bruce Mowbray: I hear Wollie skating.
    Zon Kwan: hooks or echoes
    Eliza Madrigal: fits well with the Nisargadatta quote about the world being full of rings, but the hooks being all ours
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh! ZON!
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: I like that
    Bruce Mowbray: What an astute point!
    Zen Arado: yes
     
    --BELL--
     
    Qt Core: the velcro nature of reality...
    Zen Arado: hopes to get more Nisargadatta quotes from now on :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hooks or echoes...?
    Bruce Mowbray: Zon's point.
    Eliza Madrigal: velcro nature of reality.. brilliant, heheh
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Nature is where they got the idea for it, after all.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
     
    Santoshima Resident: cheers ~ bye
    Eliza Madrigal: nice to see you San, cheers
    Wol Euler: bye san, enjoy the day
    Qt Core: bye San
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, San-ji!
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye San
    Zon Kwan: bye san
    Eliza Madrigal: I need to be off as well... to cook and then nap, before bed, hah
    Zen Arado: I'm gonna stick like glue ue because I'm stuck stuck on you
    Wol Euler: naps are good :)
    Bruce Mowbray: be well, stay warm, stay well!
    Agatha Macbeth ponders nap before bed
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: <3 you all
    Agatha Macbeth: Be well Liz ♥
    Wol Euler: goodnight all the departers
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye folks
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks for being here and feel well and happy
    Wol Euler: take care, be warm and healthy
    Zon Kwan: bye eliza
    Wol Euler: and sticky
    Zon Kwan: bye all
     
    Zen Arado: comes unstuck

    Zen Arado: byee
    Wol Euler: I shall slide off bed-wards too, I'm soooo tired
    Wol Euler: goodnight
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Wol Euler: ♥
     
    Agatha Macbeth: Looks like that's it then
    Qt Core: :-) bye all
    Agatha Macbeth: Ciao QT
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