The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.  This quite unexpectedly morphed into one of the longest sessions I've been in for a long while and a number of varied and interesting themes came up (not one of them to do with the topic mind you <chortle>).  It started off with Wol appearing in the guise of a black and white cow...

Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Agatha Macbeth: there you are :)
Wol Euler: greetings
Agatha Macbeth: Why do you look like a cow?
Wol Euler: good question :)
Wol Euler: I think it's the result of too much work and not enough free time
Agatha Macbeth: Moo
Agatha Macbeth: Be careful or someone may milk you
Wol Euler: also related to spending a lot of time idling about on the marketplace
Agatha Macbeth: Yes it's amazing what one can find there
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: cow outfits, for example
--BELL--1315
Agatha Macbeth: A load of bull
Agatha Macbeth: Soooo...competition done?
Wol Euler: yes indeed, and three days off
Agatha Macbeth: Wuhu!
Wol Euler: yeah :)
Agatha Macbeth: Plenty of sleep and WoW then?
Wol Euler: mmhmm :) in that order
Agatha Macbeth: How's things healthwise?
Wol Euler: and also cleaning the apartment etc
Agatha Macbeth: Yah
Wol Euler: changing sheets for the first time since new year
Wol Euler: etc
Wol Euler: plus some cooking
Agatha Macbeth: As long as you're well
Wol Euler: all domesticity has gone to hell in these three weeks
Wol Euler: I'm getting well, thanks :) not yet entirely there
Agatha Macbeth: I'm not big in that department myself
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, I can click on your bell, but no sound
Wol Euler: yah, I know
Wol Euler: I've been trying for days to find a cowbell sound
Wol Euler: one that actually sounds like a cowbell, y'know?
Wol Euler: I hadn't thought it would be this hard
Agatha Macbeth: 'You can script my bell, script my bell...'
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Wol Euler: I can script it :) but I still need the sound file
Agatha Macbeth: No boings abroad?
Agatha Macbeth: Or dongs
Wol Euler: don't want a boing
Agatha Macbeth: Clang?
Wol Euler: I want a proper cowbell, that flat metallic "clunk" sound
Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes
Agatha Macbeth: I know it
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: anything else is not appropriate
Agatha Macbeth: Mm, tail doesn't do anything
Wol Euler: listen, it's a L$50 avatar :)
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe I expect too much these days
Wol Euler: it isn't from "these days" :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: Never seen it before
Wol Euler: but it is a cowgirl as opposed to a furry
Wol Euler: which intrigued me
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Agatha Macbeth: Literally
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zon
Wol Euler: evening zon!
Wol Euler: so, what's been happening this week?
Agatha Macbeth: To moi?
Wol Euler: yes, or generally
Agatha Macbeth: Jeez, very little
Agatha Macbeth: Weather is mild which is good
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: here too
Agatha Macbeth: Can stay that way too for me
Agatha Macbeth: Saves on heating if nothing else
Agatha Macbeth: You have cow eyes too I see
Wol Euler: indeed )
Agatha Macbeth: Makes a change from the usual green
Wol Euler: part of the avatar :)
Agatha Macbeth: How's Lorac doing these days?
Wol Euler: Not sure :) I haven't been in to see in ages. THough I did buy a skin or two lately
Wol Euler: she's still making stuff
Agatha Macbeth: Good to hear
Agatha Macbeth: I see Bryn's shop closed
Agatha Macbeth: She blogged about it
Wol Euler: yeah, land / tier problems again
Agatha Macbeth sighs
Agatha Macbeth: I'll never get that rabbicorn I always promised myself now :(
--BELL--1330
Wol Euler: oh yes you can :) her original shop still exists, complete with rabbicon
Agatha Macbeth: Oh that's good
Wol Euler: I was in it less than two hours ago :)
Wol Euler: L$800
Agatha Macbeth: Ha
Agatha Macbeth: Must go and take a look
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder when/if she's doing anything new
Agatha Macbeth: Most of Immersiva was fenced off last time I was there
Wol Euler: there's a sign up that she is preparing someting, but I don'T know if that is current/true or not
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: Will have to keep checking the blog
Eliza Madrigal: 's current display-name is "Eliza".
Agatha Macbeth: Liz ♥
Wol Euler: hello eliza <3
Eliza Madrigal: Sunji says to give you cookies, Agatha :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol :))
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zon :)
Agatha Macbeth: Aww yay
Eliza Madrigal zooms
Agatha Macbeth: She wants me to be fat eh
Eliza Madrigal: wants you to be sweet
Eliza Madrigal: :P
Agatha Macbeth: This *IS* Wollie and not a cow incidentally
Agatha Macbeth: Hey I am sweet!
Eliza Madrigal: oh, okay.... thanks for clarification
Wol Euler grins.
Eliza Madrigal: milk maid?
Wol Euler: clarity is good
Zon Kwan: hi Eliza :)
Agatha Macbeth: I know people in SL called Clarity hehe
Wol Euler: call it "spent a lot of time looking at the Marketplace in a semi-vegetative state"
Eliza Madrigal: are they true to their SL name?
Eliza Madrigal: heheh Wol
Eliza Madrigal: you deserve that
Agatha Macbeth: Clarity begins at home maybe?
Wol Euler: I think so too :)
Wol Euler: it surely dosen't begin at work :/
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Wol Euler: it's a constant struggle to get people to give you (me) complete information
Agatha Macbeth: G.I.G.O.
Eliza Madrigal doesn't even know what complete information would look like
Wol Euler: well, if you mean "make me a PDF" you might say that, using the word "pdf"
Wol Euler: rather than saying something that makes me think you want a piece of paper printed out
Wol Euler: and then being angry at me for not intuiting that you wanted a file.
Agatha Macbeth: What's PDF in german?
Wol Euler: "pdf"
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Eliza Madrigal: oh... that's asking a bit much don't you think?
Eliza Madrigal cackles
Wol Euler: yeah, I know, it is unrealistic :)
Agatha Macbeth: PDF = pretty damn funny perhaps
Eliza Madrigal: Partly derpy frijoles
Agatha Macbeth: That too
Agatha Macbeth loves a good frijole
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: How's Liz then?
Eliza Madrigal checks
Wol Euler: yin-yang eyes are back, I see :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) aye
Agatha Macbeth: Good way to look at the world
Eliza Madrigal: Liz seems to be doing well.. weird sleeping patterns but aside from that all OK
Agatha Macbeth: Been online at 3AM again?
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes... or sometimes I just lay there
Agatha Macbeth: Oh I couldn't do that
Eliza Madrigal: the latter is more productive,,,keeps me out of trouble and can be meditative
Agatha Macbeth: If I can't sleep I just have to get up and do something
Eliza Madrigal: they say it is better... to get up for about 30 minutes
Eliza Madrigal: but not get online :)
Agatha Macbeth: Fortunately I never have the problem
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: I've been too tired to have had that problem :)
Agatha Macbeth: I keep meaning to record myself to see if I snore
Eliza Madrigal: I was sorry to miss dream workshop tuesday because I had a neat observation in dreaming this week
Santoshima Resident: 's current display-name is "San".
Wol Euler: oh!
Agatha Macbeth: Oh?
Eliza Madrigal: that's a good thing to do, Aggers
Eliza Madrigal: for health
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Sanji
Wol Euler: well, pleaes keep it for next week
Eliza Madrigal: Hi San :)
Wol Euler: and/or tell us now :)
Wol Euler: hello san
Santoshima Resident: greetings everyone
Zon Kwan: hi San
Agatha Macbeth: Or both!
Eliza Madrigal: well I may not make it next week either... besides, it is sort of interesting on the whole
--BELL--1345
Agatha Macbeth: Fire away :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Okay...
Agatha Macbeth:
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Wol Euler listens.

Eliza's dream

Eliza Madrigal: the dream took place in a group situation... several adjoining apartments, similar to retreat feeling but more business-like
Eliza Madrigal: I was, the following morning after settling in with the group, sleeping in a catnap way in a corner
Agatha Macbeth: ^.^
Eliza Madrigal: of a filled room, people bustling about getting ready to attend the day
Eliza Madrigal: and one lady was holding a notebook with the group grocery list
Eliza Madrigal: but she flipped some pages and found some of my personal notes and so began to call my name
Eliza Madrigal: it took a while before I opened my eyes... surely there had to be more than just me in the group with that name
Eliza Madrigal: but no... so eventually I opened my eyes and was handed this notebook... a personal list
Eliza Madrigal: the thing is, in less than a split second, I saw my mind create the backstory of having written it
Eliza Madrigal: even though I don't believe that there had been a linear progression in the dream, in which I had
Eliza Madrigal: and it felt so natural, to do things that way
Eliza Madrigal: that when I woke I kept going with that idea... and seeing things that way...
Wol Euler: creating backstories?
Eliza Madrigal: was very interesting as an observation and as a questioning reality
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Eliza Madrigal: writing backwards
Agatha Macbeth grins
Agatha Macbeth: Does writing backwards work better than the other way round?
Eliza Madrigal: if I'd not seen the twist, I would have sworn that the way the dream had happened was that I wrote the notes, and then gave the woman the notebook on which we made the group grocery list
Eliza Madrigal: just felt like a tangible inquiry into the (false idea of?) linear time
Agatha Macbeth: 'Open other end' again
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, this time thing (wherefore art thou Stim?)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks for humoring my repetitive obsessions
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Wol Euler: yes, I see that :) it is interesting.
Zon Kwan: waves
Agatha Macbeth: Think obsessions are repetitive by definition heh
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Zon
Eliza Madrigal waves
Wol Euler: whether the patterns we see around us in waking life are perhaps are artificial as those the brain creates to avoid leaving gaps in the story of our dreams ...
Eliza Madrigal: exactly
Eliza Madrigal: it would lend credence to the idea that we see the world as we want to
Agatha Macbeth: Oh indubitably we do
Agatha Macbeth: Objectivity is a great gift
Eliza Madrigal: in Zen Mind Beginners Mind he says that time flows from future to present to past... have been thinking on that for years
Wol Euler: huh
Eliza Madrigal: at first it sounded so odd
Wol Euler: oh! oh!!
Agatha Macbeth: Eh? eh?
Eliza Madrigal: he he
Wol Euler: (makes a note to tell you later, won't interrupt)
Eliza Madrigal: tell me NOW
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Agatha Macbeth: Tell us what?
Wol Euler: awwww
Wol Euler: sorry, I just have no filter today, I donÄT want to take us away from Eliza's story
Agatha Macbeth hands Wollie a filter
Eliza Madrigal: that's perfectly fine... just wanted to throw the observation into the mix
Wol Euler wears it
Eliza Madrigal splashes Wollie with water which dissolves all filters

Wol's article

Wol Euler: okay :) I read an amazing article in Der Spiegel at lunch today, about a brand-new language which has come into existence in Australia in the last 30 years
Wol Euler: Light Warlpiri
Wol Euler: fascinating
Eliza Madrigal: new language??
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Wol Euler: better still: a new tense
Wol Euler: not just past, present and future, they have a fourth tense
Eliza Madrigal listens closely
--BELL--1400
Wol Euler: for things which could or did happen in the present or past but which cannot happen in the future
Wol Euler: e.g. because somebody has died
Zen Arado: 's current display-name is "Zen".
Santoshima Resident: hi Zen
Agatha Macbeth: Good heavens
Wol Euler: (actually an e.g. :) edit that please
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zenny
Wol Euler: hello zen
Agatha Macbeth: Edit which?
Eliza Madrigal: So how does that work.... am captivated
Wol Euler: replace "i.e." with "e.g."  (I did)
Zen Arado: Hi all
Agatha Macbeth: OK
Agatha Macbeth: Zum beispiel ;)
Wol Euler: the article was written for an intelligent but general/lay public, so they didn't give concrete details
Wol Euler: but that is the specific case: somebody who has died will not be doing any more stuff in the future :)
Eliza Madrigal: poor lay public... we're left out of so much
Wol Euler: I found that idea fascinating!
Eliza Madrigal: it really is, Wol
Wol Euler: the words(concepts) that cultures consider it worth their while inventing say a great deal about how tehy think
Agatha Macbeth: This is an aboriginal language?
Eliza Madrigal: at first I wondered if it was going to be a tense for "fourth time" - kind of evolved language, of the sort maybe daedelus has been pondering
Wol Euler: it is important to them to distinguish this category of things that will not be happening again/now
Wol Euler: yes, an offshoot of Warlpiri, mixed with english and pidgin
Eliza Madrigal: so neat
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Santoshima Resident: bye
Eliza Madrigal: Zen do you need an IM with background?
Eliza Madrigal: bye San
Wol Euler: invented spontaneously by children and has grown up with them
Zen Arado: by San
Agatha Macbeth: TC San
Zen Arado: nah it's ok
Wol Euler: I pasted to him in IM :)
Agatha Macbeth: He knows how much sense us three usually make ;)
Wol Euler: heheheh
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: men never understand women :P
Agatha Macbeth: Ain't it the truth
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Eliza Madrigal: love making sexist statements to people who know I don't think that way :P
Agatha Macbeth blows in Liz's ear
Eliza Madrigal shivers
Agatha Macbeth: There are some languages that have no tenses at all
Agatha Macbeth: Don't think chinese has
Zen Arado: 4th tense hmm
Eliza Madrigal: really?
Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
Zen Arado: they use tones a lot
Agatha Macbeth: And malay too I think
Wol Euler: german has no specific future tense, it's a "projected present"
Wol Euler: "I go to the store tomorrow"
Agatha Macbeth: Sehr gut
Eliza Madrigal: hm
Eliza Madrigal: this may be part of what my son's been trying to convey to me about Russian language too
Wol Euler: ah :) he's learning Russki?
Zen Arado: Alan Watts writes about Chinese ideograms in one of his books
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
Agatha Macbeth: Horosho
Agatha Macbeth: Oh ideograms yes
Wol Euler: wonderful, good for him. I wanted to learn it in high school, but there weren't enough of us to make a class
Zen Arado: he says we should all use them
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
Agatha Macbeth: Could write with brushes
Zen Arado: so economical
Eliza Madrigal: he loves it, but not enough to make a club... he wants to take it as long as they'll let him and then learn others... am glad
Eliza Madrigal: but how does one speak ideogram?
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: It's a form of writing
Wol Euler: and how do ideogramatic languages create new words?
Agatha Macbeth: Pictures rather than alphabet
Wol Euler: indeed
Eliza Madrigal nods
Zen Arado: I hear sounds
Zen Arado: singing
Wol Euler: my feeling is that these languages would tend to stasis
Agatha Macbeth: Like the japanese for Japan is actually two chinese characters meaning Sun Rising
Wol Euler: because of the enormous difficulty of creating and publicizing new ideograms
Agatha Macbeth nods
Eliza Madrigal: interesting... didn't realize that Aggers
Zen Arado: wish I had Kindle on this computer could quote Watts

'♪Wish I could be like Alan Watts da da da da da da da da ♫'

Agatha Macbeth: Didn't he invent the kettle or something?
Zen Arado: a measure of power?

Agatha Macbeth: 1 joule per second

Riddle

Eliza Madrigal: I sometimes need help to interpret Riddle. Can you guys take a look at his last log? https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2014/01/2014.01.14_07:00_-_No_Player_as_being_Being_came
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth looks
Eliza Madrigal: feel badly that I've not made his session in so so long
Agatha Macbeth: Links always take years to open for me
Agatha Macbeth: Silent Running yay
Agatha Macbeth: One of my all time faves
Agatha Macbeth: Bruce Dern
Eliza Madrigal: Riddle is sad though... about no visitors...
Zen Arado: good song
Wol Euler: he sounds dejected. I hope he's okay
--BELL--1415
Zen Arado: yeh
Zen Arado: sounds fed up
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: :(
Agatha Macbeth: 7AMs do seem very poorly attended lately, Storm said so too
Zen Arado: yeh
Eliza Madrigal: they are... it surely isn't personal
Agatha Macbeth: Europeans are at work and it's probably too early for many people in NA
Eliza Madrigal: for a while they were very well attended, not sure what changed except in my own life
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, schedules
Zen Arado: gradually dwindled
Wol Euler nods.
Zen Arado: an exponential dwindle
Zen Arado: less come less want to come
Eliza Madrigal: to everything...turn turn turn....
Agatha Macbeth: There is a reason

Walk like an Egyptian

Agatha Macbeth: You really need some egyptian hair with that dress Liz
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: where do you shop for hair? I would indeed like cleo hair
Zen Arado: wonder what that would lok like
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Agatha Macbeth: Trying to think if I ever saw any in SL
Wol Euler: Emo-tions is about the best for modern styles
Wol Euler: you might go to a historical-outfitter for Cleo hair, let me find that LM
Eliza Madrigal: thanks
Agatha Macbeth: I seem to remember A & A do a black number with a fringe called Katsuki
Agatha Macbeth: Ali & Ali
Eliza Madrigal: I hardly walk into SL stores these days, though do browse the market occasionally
Eliza Madrigal: I need to do an inventory sweep
Eliza Madrigal: only just learned one can open one more inventory window at a time
Zen Arado: don't we all
Eliza Madrigal: would have made things so much easier!
Zen Arado: oh?
Wol Euler: :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes.... so frustrating to drag and drop when the place keeps changing
Zen Arado: easier to just drag straight across
Eliza Madrigal: yes... but had no idea :)
Zen Arado: a black Englishwoman showed me that one time
Zen Arado: reorganizes Jan's inventory
Agatha Macbeth: https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p...words]=katsuki
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks
Eliza Madrigal clicks
Agatha Macbeth: Try that
Agatha Macbeth: Black version is in top right
Eliza Madrigal: nice bangs
Eliza Madrigal: all long though
Agatha Macbeth: Mm
Wol Euler: "wunderlich historical garb", try her
Agatha Macbeth: Can't think of any shorter
Agatha Macbeth: A uraeus would look good too :)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks...hm
Wol Euler: good luck :)
Eliza Madrigal: should ask Eden where she found her Egyptian items
Agatha Macbeth: Neferlizi
Zen Arado: great improv riffs at end of that song
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Hey Mr music man
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: left a comment at the bottom of the log... hope he sees
Wol Euler: sent him an IM :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) nice
Zen Arado: yeh or he won't look
Eliza Madrigal: Riddle's been here since prebeginnings :)
Wol Euler nods.
Zen Arado: a pab institution
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hey diddle Riddle
Eliza Madrigal: okay...time for me to fly
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Zen Arado: time to work
Eliza Madrigal: thanks for this time
Agatha Macbeth: Our time is yours :)
Eliza Madrigal steals the bell back
Zen Arado: byee Eliza
Wol Euler: bye eliza, it was lovely to see you again
Agatha Macbeth: You can't steal your own stuff
Eliza Madrigal: hugs, byeeeeeeeee
Zen Arado: nice dress
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Liz TC
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: ty :))
Eliza Madrigal: wish you lovely evenings and pleasant dreams
Zen Arado: very nice
Agatha Macbeth: Which I won't remember :(
Wol Euler: awwwwwwww
--BELL--1430
Wol Euler: are you still writing down whatever you *do* remember in the morning=
Agatha Macbeth: Nah, gave it up ages ago
Agatha Macbeth: I'm always too tired to remember anyway
Zen Arado: it's hard to do
Zen Arado: I always feel dreams are rtivial
Zen Arado: then afterwards wish I had recorded
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Vital or trivial? ;p
Zen Arado: trivial
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Wol Euler: well, all life is trivial if you take a millenial perspective :) that's no reason not to take it seriously
Zen Arado: it's like something doesn't want me to record them
Agatha Macbeth pulls Wol's horns
Wol Euler: ow
Zen Arado: I know
Zen Arado: but my dreams are usually about work
Wol Euler smiles.
Zen Arado: past work
Agatha Macbeth: I'm not a morning person at the best of times
Wol Euler: mine are often about riding busses :) now that IS trivial :)
Zen Arado: or about music if I work on it before bedtime
Agatha Macbeth: I would definitely prefer music to buses
Wol Euler smiles.

And so to macs

Zen Arado: iPhone would be good for recording dreams
Zen Arado: they go into iTunes automatically
Wol Euler: that would be great.
Agatha Macbeth: iDreams
Zen Arado: becoming an Apple zealot
Agatha Macbeth: Mind the pips
Zen Arado: will be trying to convert people from the hell of Windows
Zen Arado: :)
Agatha Macbeth: And that *is* hell
Wol Euler grins.
Zen Arado: Steve Jobs my guru
Agatha Macbeth: Have to use that australian tense
Wol Euler: not a veyr communicative one, then
Wol Euler: yeah!
Wol Euler: see, it is useful.
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Zen Arado: he might come back and invent a new...something
Zen Arado: must read his book
Agatha Macbeth: If he had taken over from Gates at Micro$haft wonder what he would have done differently?
Agatha Macbeth: Hypothetically
Wol Euler: or if he'd agreed to license mac os to microsoft, as they wanted.
Agatha Macbeth: They did?
Wol Euler: they only wrote dos and then windows because he wouldn't license to htem
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Zen Arado: mac os seems better
Wol Euler: Jobs thought that hardware was the path to wealth, but Gates realized that it was just stuff and that software was the essential
Wol Euler: he got that one entirely wrong :)
Zen Arado: everything just has a solid feel
Agatha Macbeth: Seems so
Agatha Macbeth: Do macs still look like purple TVs or have they evolved since then?
Wol Euler snorts.
Wol Euler: that was an awfully long time ago, aggers :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh, well
Agatha Macbeth: I don't keep up with it as much as I did
Agatha Macbeth: I blame SL
Wol Euler: http://www.apple.com/imac/
Zen Arado: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-Wirele...ywords=imac+27
Zen Arado: that's the one I got
Agatha Macbeth: Keyboard doesn't look very big
Wol Euler: pretty!
Zen Arado: never hear the fan
Wol Euler: yeah, that is the best thing about macs
Wol Euler: they are silent
Zen Arado: hate the magic mouse though
Agatha Macbeth: Magic mouse?
Zen Arado: looking for another one
Zen Arado: too flat for me
Zen Arado: yeh the one they give you
Zen Arado: and keyboard a little difficult
Agatha Macbeth: Interesting
Zen Arado: ok for most
--BELL--1445
Agatha Macbeth: I remember the Quadra
Zen Arado: feel naked without anti virus
Agatha Macbeth: Are you and Sunny going to be DJing at PP again Zenny?
Zen Arado: not tomorrow though
Agatha Macbeth: OK
Zen Arado: she is thinkng about it
Agatha Macbeth: That's if Mira doesn't de-friend everybody again :P
Zen Arado: not many around PP these days
Zen Arado: yeh :)
Agatha Macbeth: Crazy lady
Zen Arado: she gets rid of my clients
Zen Arado: :)
Agatha Macbeth sighs
Zen Arado: no Whispr now
Wol Euler: :(
Agatha Macbeth: Hope Sun is ok, she's seemed a bit down lately
Zen Arado: yeh
Agatha Macbeth: Which is odd for her
Zen Arado: spoke to her earlier

The late arrival

Agatha Macbeth: Hiya QT!
Zen Arado: she always seems so cheerful
Agatha Macbeth: Not in bed yet? :p
Wol Euler: hello qt!
Qt Core: Hi all
Zen Arado: Hi Qt
Agatha Macbeth: This must be the Boxy shift
Wol Euler: that would be a fine thing
Qt Core: Just had a three hour fight at home don't know if when i'll sleep :-(
Zen Arado: meep meep
Agatha Macbeth: Three hour fight?
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Wol Euler: oh wow, I'm sorry to hear that
Zen Arado: long fight
Agatha Macbeth: Good job you don't live with Mike Tyson
Qt Core: but lets forget that, what topic keep you here for an almost extra hour ?
Zen Arado: good thing about living alone
Agatha Macbeth: We were just talking about macs
Zen Arado: and how good they are
Zen Arado: nothig like the zeal of a new convert :)
Agatha Macbeth: I think Bleu uses one doesn't she?
Zen Arado: yes
Wol Euler: all the best people do :)
Agatha Macbeth: Seems so
Zen Arado: I always thought they were too expensive
Qt Core: never used one, even if since a few months there is one near my desk at work (to do some iphone app development
Agatha Macbeth: Me too
Zen Arado: but guess it is worth it
Wol Euler: depends how highly you value the time and effort you put into conquering windows afresh every other week
Zen Arado: I tried Win 8 and hated it
Wol Euler: to me, the pain-in-the-ass factor of windows is worth quite a few Euros
Agatha Macbeth: Ubuntu is good, if geeky
Zen Arado: too geeky for me
Qt Core: (btw, the language with those beautiful iphone app are written is quite ugly)
Wol Euler: Qt, is there anything you want to talk about?
Agatha Macbeth: I'd actually forgotten what a command line was since my Amiga days
Agatha Macbeth listens
Qt Core: anything that isn't in my mind at the moment, Wol ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Like a mini retreat :)
Wol Euler: okay :)
Wol Euler: just thought I'd offer
Agatha Macbeth: The PaB refuge
Zen Arado: I better go
Agatha Macbeth: Back to the mac :p
Qt Core: bye Zen, have fun
Wol Euler: bye zen, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Take care Zenny
Zen Arado: never left it :)
Agatha Macbeth: DJ well
Zen Arado: byee
Qt Core: from outside and i may easily be wrong i always seen macs as too much "patronizing" letting you not much choice in how things are done
Agatha Macbeth: Is there anything anyone wants removed from the log?
Qt Core: but maybe windows is the same, i only learned my ways before
--BELL--1500
Wol Euler: heheh, my feeling about windows is the opposite. It insists on asking me questions about things I neither know nor care about, without giving me any information on which to base the decision
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like your boss!
Wol Euler: true that
Agatha Macbeth: :P
Qt Core: i need to be in command... so i prefer the command line (decent ones, like linux ones)
Agatha Macbeth nods and smiles
Wol Euler: I'd agree with the goodness of a unix command line
Qt Core: only problems the headache of remembering if that machine/user pair has ksh or bash
Agatha Macbeth: Bash I know, not sure about ksh
Qt Core: it is two generation older, i'm more used to its keybindings
Agatha Macbeth nods
Qt Core: luckily there is a way to tell bash to use ksh ones (that in the end mimics Vi/Vim)
Wol Euler: my dears, I shall move on. Qt, I hope you will be able to settle and sleep tonight.
Agatha Macbeth nods
Agatha Macbeth: Yes my eyes are quite tired after two hours too :p
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: goodnight all, take care
Qt Core: i'm thinking to bring up the big gun listening to the rapsody in blue :-)
Agatha Macbeth: This will be one long log
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Oh do
Qt Core: bye Wol
Agatha Macbeth: I love it
Wol Euler: it's a classic
Wol Euler: deservedly
Qt Core: it is my fav music pieces
Agatha Macbeth: Mine too!
Agatha Macbeth: Take care guys
Wol Euler: goodnight!
Qt Core: bye
Agatha Macbeth: Ciao QT, be well