Page last modified 17:22, 9 Apr 2010 by wol

*The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.*

I will give only a few comments since it is very late already and tomorrow morning I am leaving for vacation, sorry :)

welcoming our new visitor Johny

Lia Rikugun: hello solbill

Lia Rikugun: solobill

Solobill Laville: Hi, Lia :)

Lia Rikugun: hello johny

Solobill Laville: Hi, Johny :)

Johny Weissberg: hi solobill

Lia Rikugun: Johny have you been here before?

Lia Rikugun: have we met?

Johny Weissberg: no i dot think so

Solobill Laville: Hi, Doug :)

Lia Rikugun: so welcome to the Play as Being Pavillion

Johny Weissberg: ty :)

Lia Rikugun: hello doug

Lia Rikugun: we are talking about meditation and well a lot of things

Johny Weissberg: ah thats interesting

Johny Weissberg: where does the name come ?

Johny Weissberg: play as being

Lia Rikugun: http://playasbeing.wik.is/

Lia Rikugun: this is our wiki

Lia Rikugun: pema pera came up with the whole idea

Lia Rikugun: he is a professor in princeton

Johny Weissberg: professor of ?

Lia Rikugun: well the institute of advanced study

Lia Rikugun: astrophysics

Lia Rikugun: play as being as I see it is to take life a little lighter

Lia Rikugun: play

Lia Rikugun: and see things like appearances thangs that happen

Lia Rikugun: and appreciate them as they are

Johny Weissberg: i agree with that

doug Sosa: hi, sorry to be slow, 'puter problem.

Lia Rikugun: (my computer seems to be laggy too)

the 9 seconds meditation

Lia Rikugun: so what we try to do every day Johny is to take 9 seconds every 15minutes

Lia Rikugun: and just drop everything

doug Sosa: more than laggy, i removed laptop from large screen and the SL window didn't resixe so i couln't grab the corners

Lia Rikugun: hm maybe this has something to do with the new version?

doug Sosa: part of extreme meditation :)

Lia Rikugun: :)

Solobill Laville: :)

Johny Weissberg: 9 sec meditation ?

Lia Rikugun: Johny we are recording the chat log and saving it on the wiki, is this ok with you?

doug Sosa: i moved because i couldn't see solobill

Johny Weissberg: yes.. itry not to speak dirty

Lia Rikugun: i see it as dropping all the layers

Lia Rikugun: :)

Lia Rikugun: hello wol

Lia Rikugun: nice to see you!

Wol Euler: hello solo, lia, doug, johnny

Wol Euler: lovely to see you all again.

Solobill Laville: Ms. Euler :)

Johny Weissberg: hi wol

Lia Rikugun: I was just telling Johny alittle bit about PaB

Wol Euler smiles

Lia Rikugun: and the 9 sec meditation

Johny Weissberg: sounds interesting idea..9 sec meditation

Lia Rikugun: it is something you can do every day

Lia Rikugun: without too much effort

Wol Euler: that's only half of hte idea though: do it every fifteen minutes.

Lia Rikugun: everybody has 9 seconds ;)

Wol Euler: making it a constant part of your life, not a special event

Lia Rikugun: yes wol :)

Johny Weissberg: its eays the 9 sec..but to rember the interval..lol

doug Sosa: i don't think many of us are precise about the when.

Wol Euler nods

Johny Weissberg: ok..i try i t tomorrow..lwrts see how it goes

Wol Euler: try it now, in about sixty seconds :)

Lia Rikugun: and well here we talk about our experiences

Wol Euler: when the bell goes, we pause for 90 seconds of silence

Johny Weissberg: i thought it was 9 only

--BELL--

Johnys impression after pausing for 90seconds

doug Sosa: so there is here practice and out there practice.

Lia Rikugun: in SL it is more

Wol Euler smiles and nods. Yes, it is; but we decided on a turbo version here

Johny Weissberg: wow..i was really sharp

Wol Euler: How was that, Johnny?

Lia Rikugun: so how do you feel :) ?

Johny Weissberg: lol

Johny Weissberg: good vibes

Solobill Laville: :)

Wol Euler: very good :)

Lia Rikugun: :)

Johny Weissberg: real good idea

Johny Weissberg: do u have special topics to discuss ?

Lia Rikugun: no anything you would like

doug Sosa: best to report on what happened in the 9 sec experiments, but we hardly make that a rule.

doug Sosa: fir example, i have never been able to cntain the 9 sec. the mood of it spils over into the rest of the day.

Wol Euler smiles

Johny Weissberg: thats natural i guess

Johny Weissberg: if u do it regurlarly

Solobill Laville: Quite regularly, I would think, or other practices too :)

Johny Weissberg: what kind of practises may i ask

Solobill Laville: I don't know, I was only being speculative about
Doug's practice, that is a sign of a pretty cultivated practice, imo :)

Doug tells us about his meditation experience with tai chi

doug Sosa: ah, well, in that case. i do tai chi, which afects the way i take dishes out of dishwasher and lace o shelves.

Johny Weissberg: tai chi..i like that

Lia Rikugun: interesting how so?

doug Sosa: but need to careful not to do 9sec when driving in lots of traffic :)

Lia Rikugun: i never tried tai chi

Wol Euler: hehehehe

Johny Weissberg: motion and silence together

Johny Weissberg: neither have i, but id like to

Lia Rikugun: does it make you more aware? i would guess

doug Sosa: tai chi is like being a slow elevator.

Johny Weissberg: the movements r very beautiful

doug Sosa: actually, the moves are complex and you can explore how say
the right foot remains in consant dialog with the left hand.

Lia Rikugun: wow

Lia Rikugun: i need to try :)

doug Sosa: even if you are sitting and move your left hand aup and away
a bi, your right foot must adjust to the shift in weight.

Johny Weissberg: have u practised long tai chi, doug ?

doug Sosa: up and away..a bit..

doug Sosa: fifteen years..

Johny Weissberg: wow

Wol Euler: O.O

Lia Rikugun: !

doug Sosa: no big deal, look at how much you practice walking..

Johny Weissberg: and how long did it take to start to feel like u r able to do it rightly ?

doug Sosa: ah, the illusion.. after a few sessions it felt "right" but of course I was missing 96 percent of it.

Johny Weissberg: lol

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: many things worth learning are like that.

Johny Weissberg: do u need a techer or can u parctise it by urself ?

Wol Euler: easy to start but fiendishly difficult to become really good at

doug Sosa: A week ago I cam across a kind of blobby out of shape fellow
apparently talking to a guy who was doing the tai chi with amazing
physicality. I stopped to talk. Turned out the blobby guy was the
teacher! Then he did a few moves. just amazing, like taking a porsche
out of your pocket.

Wol Euler: :)

--BELL--

doug Sosa: you might use a tape, but most are really bad. I was fortunate to have a really good teacher, a cainet maker.

doug Sosa: please do sit.

Yakuzza Lethecus: good evening

doug Sosa: yes!

doug Sosa: yaku, we are in the end of a 90 sec quiet period.

doug Sosa: ok, done.

Lia Rikugun: hello yakuzza

Johny Weissberg: hi yaku

Wol Euler: hello yakuzza

Solobill Laville must quietly excuse himself...bye all

Wol Euler: awwwwwww

Lia Rikugun: byebye solo

Johny Weissberg: bye solo

Wol Euler: bye solo, take care, be happy.

Wol Euler: come back sometime :)

Solobill Laville: :) WIll do

doug Sosa: yes, me too, half an hour and then back to....

Wol Euler: /m smiles.

Lia Rikugun: byebye doug

Wol Euler: bye doug, enjoy the weekend

Johny Weissberg: byy doug

Lia Rikugun: so its the 4 of us ;)

Johny Weissberg: four is stabel number

Wol Euler: one of these days I'll figure out a way to follow Doug and see where he goes :)

Wol Euler: he only ever stays for a half-hour

Lia Rikugun: but its good he told us about taichi now i will try out!

Wol Euler: mhmm

Johny Weissberg: iv seen some lectures here in sl too

Johny Weissberg: and its quite easy

Lia Rikugun: lectures about what?

Wol Euler: I was thinking this evening, walking home from work, that I must start doing the tango again

Lia Rikugun: oh ok

Johny Weissberg: just jump on the ball

Wol Euler: hello bertram

Lia Rikugun: hello bertram

Johny Weissberg: hi bert

Bertram Jacobus: hello, good evening all or what time ever is in your area ... :-)

Lia Rikugun: yes evening :) for me at least

Wol Euler: same here.

Johny Weissberg: yup

Wol Euler: a euro-meeting :)

Bertram Jacobus: :-)

Lia Rikugun: hehe

Bertram Jacobus: plaese, don't feel interupted in your talk (!)

Johny Weissberg: we just had a creative pause

Bertram Jacobus: ah. great ;-)

Bertram Jacobus: but ... you talked about tango ? ;-)

Johny Weissberg: and tai chi

Wol Euler: I did :)

Bertram Jacobus: okay ... :-)

Wol Euler: physicality, movement, control, expression ...

Bertram Jacobus: yes

Bertram Jacobus: i see

Wol is telling us about her experience slowing down while walking to the printer

Wol Euler: I've been doing something unusual at work lately, while
waitng for the printer. I've started walking very very slowly, one foot
in front of hte other,

Wol Euler: trying to take a full minute to cross a room.

Wol Euler: it's amazingly difficult.

Wol Euler: or perhaps that's just me :)

Johny Weissberg: that sounds fun

Bertram Jacobus: so some people practise "walking meditation" ...

Wol Euler: yes, that's where I got the idea :)

Lia Rikugun: yes will do that too but i dont know what my collegues will say ;)

Johny is slowing down his thoughts

Johny Weissberg: i try to do same with thoughts

Bertram Jacobus: very nice. i did it already now and then

Johny Weissberg: if i must work under preassure

Johny Weissberg: i slow down

Wol Euler: ah!

Lia Rikugun: thinking slowly.. to get it clearer?

Johny Weissberg: deliberately

Johny Weissberg: to get it

Johny Weissberg: lol

Lia Rikugun: :)

Lia Rikugun: thats true you might jump obver some thoughts

Lia Rikugun: otherwise

Wol Euler: skipping over weak links in the chain of logic

Johny Weissberg: nods

Bertram Jacobus: and wol - you did not fear that collegues could see you ? :-)

Johny Weissberg: and if u slow down..thoughts open up for u naturally

Wol Euler: no, the printer is in the basement :)

Bertram Jacobus: great :-)

Bertram Jacobus: the thing with the thoughts - i nearly can't imagine that ...

Bertram Jacobus: i had the impression, i would surpress something - no ?

--BELL--

Johny Weissberg: i found tha if i rush with thougths, im repressing imortant tihigs..just to get rid of the process

Johny Weissberg: and not enjoying it

Wol Euler nods

Lia Rikugun: i just tried to do it

Lia Rikugun: but i imagined myself doing things slower and not the thinking was slower :)

Lia Rikugun: maybe i need to practice

Johny Weissberg: thats too result oriented mind i guess

Lia Rikugun: or is there a difference? :)

Lia Rikugun: what do you mean johny?

Johny Weissberg: i mean when i hurry with my thoughts...

Johny Weissberg: i forget the process

Johny Weissberg: of thinking

Lia Rikugun: ah ok

Johny Weissberg: and want a result

Lia Rikugun: and you think it is important to think you are thinking

Johny Weissberg: no...

Lia Rikugun: to realize you are thinking

Johny Weissberg: just to let thinking happen

Johny Weissberg: bu its own weight

Johny Weissberg: by

Johny Weissberg: like tai chi

Lia Rikugun: so you are not pressing the thinking

Lia Rikugun: it comes to you?

Johny Weissberg: noo

Johny Weissberg: yes

Lia Rikugun: haha

Lia Rikugun: no -yes -no yes

Wol Euler: heheheh

Johny Weissberg: not pressing

the thinking is coming, happening...

Johny Weissberg: yes it comes to me

Lia Rikugun: yes exactly

Johny Weissberg: or through me

Lia Rikugun: this is what would happen if you were thinking fast

Lia Rikugun: the pressing

Johny Weissberg: nods

Lia Rikugun: (is this a corect english word)

Wol Euler: "pressing"? yes.

Lia Rikugun: yes

Wol Euler: drücken

Lia Rikugun: :)

Bertram Jacobus: which one ? pressing ? i would think : yes :-)

Wol Euler: oder drängen

Lia Rikugun: i was just confused avter saying it so often :)

Wol Euler smiles. That happens to me too :)

Lia Rikugun: ok i like this idea johny

Lia Rikugun: and i believe this goes into the PaB direction as well

Wol Euler nods

Bertram Jacobus: to slow down ?

Lia Rikugun: where appearances are happening

Wol Euler: and to let things happen

Wol Euler: rathe than trying to force them

Bertram Jacobus: which is the idea ? to slow down ?

Lia Rikugun: to let the thinking happen

Lia Rikugun: and to let things happen

Bertram Jacobus: oh. ah. i see :-)

Johny Weissberg: yes..its like tai chi

Bertram Jacobus: like here ?

Johny Weissberg: u r active

Johny Weissberg: but passive alos

Johny Weissberg: also

Lia Rikugun: yes

Johny Weissberg: seeking the rythm

Johny Weissberg: or tango

Lia Rikugun: I think it is a very interesting perspective and i will try this out too

Bertram Jacobus: what exactly lia ?

Lia Rikugun: to slow down the thoughts

Lia Rikugun: :)

Bertram Jacobus: ah okay :-)

Yakuzza Lethecus: a bit off topic, does anybody know a good text to
speech program for 2nd life ? i am curious if i might listen to a
conversation when i fall asleep so i could close my eyes :)

Wol Euler: huh

Lia Rikugun: i dont know i am sorry

Johny Weissberg: speech program ?

Bertram Jacobus: no idea yakuzza - sry

Yakuzza Lethecus: nevermind :)

Bertram Jacobus: but - lia and johny - i'm thinkin about the point,
wheather slowing down thoughts couldn't be a step away from just being
aware. and if we would do that : just being aware - may be that the
thoughts slow down then now and then ... (?)

Johny Weissberg: nods..u can do it botw ways

Johny Weissberg: if u know u must do a work

Johny Weissberg: u must think

--BELL--

Johny
Weissberg: the thinkin process is in ur mind...so i tend to let it
happen..perhaps its a kind of watching..or meditation on thinking

Bertram Jacobus: interesting ... :-)

Lia Rikugun: i am sorry i will have to leave now too need to pack for vacation :)

Wol Euler: oooh, nice :)

Lia Rikugun: yeay! :)

Wol Euler: are you covered for next week?

Bertram Jacobus: bye lia then :-)

Lia Rikugun: i still need to ask

Yakuzza Lethecus: bye lia

Wol Euler: I'll take it :)

Johny Weissberg: bya, have a nice holiday Lia

Lia Rikugun: oh ok great thank you!

Yakuzza Lethecus: i will fall asleep during the law session now

Wol Euler: yw :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: also bye everyone

Wol Euler: have a great time, Lia.

Lia Rikugun: so have a good night everybody

Wol Euler: bye yaku, take care

Bertram Jacobus: bye yakuzza ... :-)

Lia Rikugun: thank you wol

Wol Euler: yw :)

Lia Rikugun: (i am invited to a wedding :))

Wol Euler: ooh :)

Lia Rikugun: so looking forward to it

Lia Rikugun: hehe

Lia Rikugun: ok good night you all

Wol Euler: 'night Lia

I had to leave at this moment and will not try to comment the rest of the session

Johny Weissberg: ah late here

Wol Euler: for us all, I guess. 11pm

Johny Weissberg: goodnight wol, bert

Bertram Jacobus: right here :-)

Wol Euler: goodnight johnny, take care.

Bertram Jacobus: good night wol

Bertram Jacobus: sry johny i meant lol

Wol Euler: :)

Bertram Jacobus: so - you are not tired yet wol ? :-)

Wol Euler: yes, but used to it :)

Wol Euler: been working hard and long for the last two weeks, tomorrow will be my first day off since my holiday

Bertram Jacobus: i see - and - do you do also other things in sl or only the pab related ones ? ... :-)

Wol Euler: oh, I have many friends and activities here :)

Bertram Jacobus: uh. so very busy most of the times ?

Wol Euler: mmhmm, my SL and RL look increasingly alike :)

Bertram Jacobus: and you like that in this way ? :-)

Bertram Jacobus: never too much ? ;-)

Wol Euler: well I guess I do, else I would change it.

Wol Euler: I do try to note my feelings, and back away if it gets too intense

Bertram Jacobus: i think, we don't have all in our hands normally

Bertram Jacobus: sometimes things run in anotherw ay as we would like it

Wol Euler nods

Bertram Jacobus: and ... "first day off" ? you had no free days even at the weekends ?

Wol Euler: yep.

Bertram Jacobus: uh. that's heavy !

Wol Euler: spent both weekends moving the office.

Bertram Jacobus: so you are very resilient (?) ;-)

Wol Euler: we did the static stuff (old records, library etc) on the
first weekend, and the active stuff (our desks, computers) the second

Bertram Jacobus: whaow - thats heavy ...

Wol Euler: yeah.

Wol Euler: most things worked properly right away, getting the internet and phones sorted took 3 days

Bertram Jacobus: that's great - i sometimes think, that had to be like this :o)

Bertram Jacobus: and when it's not - i'm unhappy lol

Wol Euler nods

Bertram Jacobus: when things go easy and fast - i like that very much ...

Wol Euler: indeed.

Bertram Jacobus: and in the times of internet and videoclips and all
that stuff - the times to get things work always seems to shrink ... ;-)

Wol Euler: well ...

Wol Euler: things that work, do work faster.

Wol Euler: but if something goes wrong, it takes much longer to fix than analog systems

Bertram Jacobus: yes . and one gets used to smaller kind of time limits or "portions" (sorry - have not the right word ...

Bertram Jacobus: oh. yes. thats true

Bertram Jacobus: and do you do things in sl sometimes even after the meetings here ? (so late) ? ;-)

Wol Euler: quite often, actually. It's the best time to meet people in American timezones.

Wol Euler: I often don't get to bed before 1am

Bertram Jacobus: ah yes. that's true again ;-)

Bertram Jacobus: okay, but that is still not "too heavy" ... :-)

--BELL--

Bertram Jacobus: astonishing, how much one can do in 24 hours : work, sleep, play, eat, drink, doing household ...

Wol Euler: heh

Bertram Jacobus: and - if i don't hold you too long : do you do also some spiritual practices in daily life ? :-)

Wol Euler: or: sleeping, reading, lazing about, taking a nap, sleeping again

Bertram Jacobus: lol yes :-)

Wol Euler: mmmmm, I find that question hard to answer.

Bertram Jacobus: i LIKE to sleep ! :-)

Wol Euler: I'm inclined to say "yes, but none that would be recognized by any formal religion"

Wol Euler: that bit about walking very slowly, deliberately and awarely, was an example

Bertram Jacobus: nice

Bertram Jacobus: and the known forms of meditation - not interesting or
fitting for you ? did you try them or practice already some of them ?
:-)

Wol Euler: I do Nines irregularly, mostly as centering and grounding exercises when I am feeling stressed

Bertram Jacobus: i see. nice again :-)

Wol Euler: I meditate irregularly, at least not in formal meditation

Bertram Jacobus: at the moment i'm happy : my work starts late enough
so that is time and a nice feeling to meditate in a open way nearly
everay morning

Wol Euler: I try to do the Appreciation exercises that Pema suggested
in the course of normal life, seeing what there is to appreciate while
walking to work

Wol Euler: and while sitting on the bus :)

Bertram Jacobus: yes. i see :-)

Bertram Jacobus: i'm also happy that here are people which with one can talk about all these topics ... :-)

Wol Euler: it's hard to explain, but one thing I try is simply to say "yes" (inwardly) to everything I see.

Bertram Jacobus: that's absolute not hard to explain ! ;-))

Wol Euler: rather than thinking "that shirt fits badly" or whatever, just to see it and appreciate it without judgement.

Wol Euler: and then, to say "yes" to/about it, and then to ask myself
what that yes might mean. To look again, closely, to see if I can find
beauty in it

Bertram Jacobus: and that sounds wonderful to me ! :-)

Wol Euler smiles. thank you.

Bertram Jacobus: great ... so many ways ... i like that ... :-)

Bertram Jacobus: and the linking part in all these ways is for my understanding - simply love ...

Wol Euler: mmhmm.

Wol Euler: Love is the key.

Wol Euler: it took me decades to undersatnd that.

Bertram Jacobus: already the beatles knew that :-)

Wol Euler: and it is still a struggle to live it.

Bertram Jacobus: sure. i agree :-)

Bertram Jacobus: but good even to know at least, at first ... :-)

Wol Euler: oh yes :)

Wol Euler: everything happens at the right time, at the time it can happen.

Wol Euler: the teacher cannot appear before the pupil is ready.

Bertram Jacobus: the tibetan buddhism says one way would say to get to
know, to deepen it and then to realize, at the end stabile ... :-)

Bertram Jacobus: not say, be sorry

Bertram Jacobus: a bit confused ... (TZ) (me) :o)

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: it is late, bertram.

Bertram Jacobus: ("one way would ne") ...

Bertram Jacobus: ty. very kind :-)

Wol Euler: :)

Bertram Jacobus: but i think, that's not the reason

Bertram Jacobus: it's more unawareness ...

Wol Euler: mmm?

Bertram Jacobus: lack of precision or something like that

Bertram Jacobus: to much hurry -

Wol Euler: ah, yes.

Wol Euler: hurry is the enemy of appreciatoin

Bertram Jacobus: then i write not exactly - thinking and writing are not well coordinated ...

Bertram Jacobus: agree

Bertram Jacobus: how long are you already interested in "topics like this" ? :-)

Wol Euler: heh

Bertram Jacobus: :-)

--BELL--

Wol Euler: well, all ym life really.

Bertram Jacobus: whaow - i like to hear that ! ... :-)

Bertram Jacobus: ups. the ninety seconds were not done before :o)

Wol Euler: actually that is not entirely accurate. I was always vaguely
aware of an unfilled need, but it was only in the last ten years or so
that I figured out what to do about it.

Bertram Jacobus: whaow. and what was the first you "did about it" ? :-)

Wol Euler: I've always been appreciative of nature and appearance, but
didn't really think anything about it. Certainly didn't think that it
was worth valuing as an activity or a way to organize thoughts.

Wol Euler: I spent a lot of time resisting my own desires, thinking that all this spiritual stuff was just malarkey

Wol Euler: crutches for weak people.

Wol Euler: the turning point was when I got low enough to admit that I
needed therapy. My therapist gave me suggestions for breathing and
centering exercises, meditation

Wol Euler: and to my surprise I found that it works.

Bertram Jacobus: :-))

Wol Euler: It's hard to say that something is crap once you have felt it working in your own life.

Bertram Jacobus: yes -

Bertram Jacobus: and did you find other sources for these interests before pab ? :-)

Wol Euler: not really, but then I wasn't actually looking either so perhaps it isn't a fair question.

Bertram Jacobus: i see ... :-)

Bertram Jacobus: and how long do you already participate at pab ? :-)

Wol Euler: I read a lot, and in retrospect it is clear that I was lookiing for something like what I found here.

Bertram Jacobus: that was what i meant too - books can be a source -

Wol Euler: Books like "The Magus" by John Fowles are explicitly about a
kind of awareness and intense appreciation, similar to PaB

Wol Euler: "Eyeless in Gaza" by ... ummm ... damn, what was his name? The Brave New World guy.

Wol Euler: Aldous Huxley

Bertram Jacobus: whaow - i read it too and never had this perspective with this book (!) ... :-)

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: Eleutheria!

Bertram Jacobus: the magus

Bertram Jacobus: lo. don't know that ... :-)

Bertram Jacobus: but huxley "for sure" ... :-)

Wol Euler: ah :) read it again, I bet it'll feel different after your experiences here.

Bertram Jacobus: yes - i can imagine that ...

Wol Euler: we should start a PaB book club!

Wol Euler: so many books that one might recommend, tie in to our journey.

Bertram Jacobus: hehe. i have already now seldom enough time (!) ;-)

Wol Euler: :)

Bertram Jacobus: one could say it was a pity, but in an infinity - one
MUST miss an unfinite amount of things - if i donÂ´t fail ... :-)

Wol Euler: oh yes :)

Wol Euler: realizing that is a terrible and painful moment

Wol Euler: but getting through it is a relief :)

Bertram Jacobus: so if one doesn't worry - it would be better ... ?

Wol Euler: one of the joys of getting older is that you are able to let things go.

Wol Euler: to say "I won't have to do that again"

Bertram Jacobus: yes ! i feel that, too ! :-)

Wol Euler: or even "no, thanks, I don't want to do that"

Bertram Jacobus: yes - getting more relaxed ... :-)

Wol Euler smiles

Wol Euler: Bertram, I must go. I hve some errands to run before I log off (just like RL :-)

Wol Euler: thanks for het conversation, I enjoyed it.

Bertram Jacobus: okay. was very nice to talk to you and so i can learn also a bit more english ... ;o))

Wol Euler: :)

--BELL--

Wol Euler: your english is fine, don't worry :)

Wol Euler: goodnight, take care. enjoy the weekend.

Bertram Jacobus: ty same same :-)

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