2009.08.09 01:00 - Right and wrong?

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    Moon Fargis: morning star:))
    Stargate Tone: Good Morning
    Stargate Tone: hearts
    Stargate Tone: hearts
    Moon Fargis: 10
    Moon Fargis: 15
    Moon Fargis: moring fael!
    Stargate Tone: morning Fael :)***
    Fael Illyar: Morning Moon, Star :)
    Fael Illyar: ah, slideshow :)
    Moon Fargis: yes from yesterday
    Fael Illyar: I took a couple snapshots too :)
    Moon Fargis: ahhh you uploaded them ?
    Fael Illyar: not yet at least.
    Fael Illyar: 8 of them :)
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Fael Illyar: there, uploading them to picasa now
    Fael Illyar: http://picasaweb.google.com/fael.ill...eat=directlink
    Fael Illyar: I took them quite late, though so none from the beginning :)
    Fael Illyar: the last one I took and realized 'Oh, it's over.'
    Moon Fargis: :))
    Moon Fargis: yes idnt assume time goes by so fast
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Moon Fargis: morning bert
    Fael Illyar: Hi Bert :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hello all and where is morning : morning :-D
    Stargate Tone: good morning Bert :)
    Bertram Jacobus: ty for all you geve me star ... :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: gave
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Stargate Tone: your very welcome :)*
    Bertram Jacobus: so highs and lows come and go ... yesterday i had a very sad happening here : i choosed a kind of heavy example for the question wheather there is "right" and "wrog" (i guess yes (!)) ... ;-) - and one of the participants found that too harsh - that was not clever from me : i did not know him before, should have been more aware ... :-/
    Fael Illyar: That's how you learn to know people...
    Stargate Tone: or there sensitiveness on the moment
    Moon Fargis: yep especially with such a tpic that highly depends on beliefe
    Moon Fargis: believe
    Stargate Tone: hoping U Bert dont think much bad that You took such topic...think that it's possible for the person to ask to close the topic too...
    Stargate Tone: thinking that nowbody can be the guardian of one's words all the time...or what rises to speak about
    Fael Illyar: yes, mistakes happen, you forgive and go on.
    Bertram Jacobus: yes : that will be a great reminder for me ... but the price was / is high ...
    Moon Fargis: man kann es nicht jeden recht machen :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i hurt a person ... :-/
    Stargate Tone: well; I once...as my mom was dying...couldn't take the topic of death...
    Bertram Jacobus: i was unaware
    Stargate Tone: so I said that in chat
    Bertram Jacobus: i could have done it really better
    Bertram Jacobus: so it was not right ;-)
    Fael Illyar: no, it went the way it did. You couldn't choose better.
    Stargate Tone: well; as my request not to talk about was not heared; I went off
    Stargate Tone: as that also is always the option to all of the people here
    Stargate Tone: so; in case you take that you had hurted somebody; it's been also his/her choice to hear what you said...
    Stargate Tone: did he/she ask you to stop the topic ?
    Bertram Jacobus: but fael - i see that in two relations : first : yes : i could not do better : otherwise i would have done. but second : i choosed a bad example for the topic and only then i took a good one. "could have done that at once, before" - without having chosen the bad one
    Bertram Jacobus: no, it was not the topic, it was the example
    Fael Illyar: It takes time to come up with good examples...
    Bertram Jacobus: sure, but ... "okay" - ty all for your friendly reactions ...
    Bertram Jacobus: i wished he was here
    Stargate Tone: well...was U here those times when there was this Samuel hurting ppl 'around' ?
    Bertram Jacobus: i ´ll try to apologize ...
    Bertram Jacobus: no
    Stargate Tone: well; thinking that all of the people here tried to help him to see how he hurted....
    Bertram Jacobus: i see
    Stargate Tone: he never truly listened to what othere people said
    Stargate Tone: well...finally he 'disappeared'
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. that the other person said to me : at least i would listen ... it was a really unhappy coming together of circumstances yesterday ...
    Stargate Tone: to apologize is sure good thing; you can also leave the note card or IM message
    Stargate Tone: so; pls hear his/her own words; he/she chooced
    Stargate Tone: well; this man who didn't listen to anybody's true words, but added his own to them and left others off ; how was his mood each time
    Stargate Tone: but...the last time I 'saw' him, I felt that 'something' happened in him....
    Stargate Tone: like he'd openend to 'something'
    Stargate Tone: and I think there happened some wound't opening to heal better
    Bertram Jacobus: nice. all action is followed by reaction ...
    Stargate Tone: and I later on heared a little better of him to be...
    Stargate Tone: so,,,cuz this person last evening felt him/herself to be hurted for the example...
    Stargate Tone: I cannot avoid to think that there was some wound....not healed completely
    Stargate Tone: as that happenes so much...wounds can be healed not to hurt...yet...not to heal well
    Bertram Jacobus: i see what you mean, but the same applies for me ...
    Stargate Tone: so...something to open them...usually is also to heal them...
    Stargate Tone: thinking that to all feeling and thinking beings...just the saem
    Stargate Tone: same
    Stargate Tone: as liḱe Moon so often compares human being to the tree
    Stargate Tone: ...I use to do that thinking how human being and tree do grow up
    Stargate Tone: from inside
    Stargate Tone: so...as well the true healing happenes from inside...
    Stargate Tone: not setting the bandage onto the wound...it only hides the pain
    Bertram Jacobus: but i think, in the end there is no difference even between inside and outside (?) ...
    Stargate Tone: well; meaning this
    Stargate Tone: in case one only forget and go on; there can the wound stay....
    Stargate Tone: but if one 'meets' the matter; heals it not to hurt anymore
    Fael Illyar: a wound that is only hidden, is not truly gone.
    Bertram Jacobus: so ... you all think, that there is no right or wrong i fear ? ... ;-)
    Moon Fargis: you fear to make the mistake agan
    Fael Illyar: yet, it's up to you to decide what the mistake was and whether it was a mistake.
    Bertram Jacobus: no. i was kidding a bit :
    Bertram Jacobus: ;-)
    Fael Illyar: but to answer your question, yes, there is right and wrong but it's not so simple that just simply hurting someone would decide it.
    Stargate Tone: well; is it Fael so simple ?
    Bertram Jacobus: wonderful fael - at least somebody who doesn´t deny that question ... :-)
    Fael Illyar: Star, why not?
    Stargate Tone: trying to find words with my laggy english
    Bertram Jacobus: ah ! i mentioned the same problem yesterday and sometimes : laggy english is a nice description :-)
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Stargate Tone: as the base truth surely is, that each one always makes the choice by oneself, if to judge something to be mistake or not
    Stargate Tone: that's the fact...even many people try to accuse other people for there choices...
    Stargate Tone: that it is no question if to do that or not; one does it always and anyway
    Stargate Tone: but...maybe to think that the mistake (cuz somebody was hurted) comes to be that only if the mistake is tried to heal with the new mistake; doing more wrong...
    Stargate Tone: I'm understood now ?
    Fael Illyar: I'm confused... I can't see any conflict with what I meant.
    Fael Illyar: are you talking of how to decide if something is a mistake or not?
    Stargate Tone: well,,,take that it's not a question if one decides one's doing to been mistake or not, that it's obvious that one does the decicion always
    Stargate Tone: but that the question is if to punish oneself for that and/or how or not...
    Stargate Tone: and imo, nobody needs to punish oneself if honours other's pain and brings that out and that one didn't mean that
    Fael Illyar: I find that I often can't tell if something was a mistake until days, weeks or even years later.
    Stargate Tone: well; do you take that you dont do a mistake if you hurt somebody ?
    Fael Illyar: too little information in that question to answer. It's not that simple.
    Stargate Tone: sry; to me that is
    Moon Fargis: well sometimes truth also hurts
    Moon Fargis: but can truth be a mistake ?
    Stargate Tone: sometimes even that can be the mistake to tell
    Bertram Jacobus: i think talking can be a mistake and not to spaek can be better sometimes
    Stargate Tone: ah yes; agree
    Fael Illyar: even if, to not hurt now will mean much more hurt tomorrow?
    Stargate Tone: can be so
    Bertram Jacobus: that is what i do still very often in a wrong way for my opinion : i don´t be silent enough ...
    Fael Illyar: would that still be a mistake to hurt the little now, instead of a lot tomorrow?
    Stargate Tone: could be so too Fael
    Stargate Tone: ah Bert; I've never met person who's perfectly known always if to keep silence or not
    Bertram Jacobus: i don´t think so fael, but one has to be very wide seeing to do such things in a good manner - iw ould doubt often if i could do so
    Stargate Tone: but...like you thought that U want to apologize; that's the best way to live to my opinion
    Fael Illyar: it's often not possible consciously, yes.
    Stargate Tone: well; to my opinion it's not good to 'stick' people with sayings, specially if one donno the effect of them
    Stargate Tone: but it's so huge much differncies of timing and how private the moment is and so
    Fael Illyar: that's why I say it's not so simple that you could simple say "to hurt someone is a mistake"
    Stargate Tone: and like you know that I've said that even the truth should not be said to the person who's not got possibility to understand that in proper time
    Stargate Tone: well...if your not ment to hurt; wouldn't that them be the mistake...to me that is...
    Stargate Tone: completely other question is then what to do and what one can do....
    Stargate Tone: so; the silence is very golden thing
    Stargate Tone: but ; thinking whats to been said in the meeting like PaB is
    Fael Illyar: doesn't look to me that you take "to hurt someone is a mistake" to be strictly true either though...
    Stargate Tone: I think that nobody can know advantage if somebody get's hurted or not, before one has spoken
    Fael Illyar: by the way, there was a butterfly that flew in to greet me yesterday :)
    Fael Illyar: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fael-illyar/3800332343/
    Stargate Tone: well; as I've said; the hurting can lead to healing; that's to make the bad thing to serve the good thing
    Stargate Tone: **
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Moon Fargis: nice!
    Fael Illyar smiles 'So we agree.'
    Stargate Tone: but...in case one dont take that hurting to been mistake, one cannot either even try to fix it..
    Stargate Tone: and that's the thing to turn to be the wrong doind; imo
    Stargate Tone: and yes; also to punish oneself for the mistake is -imo-bad thing
    Fael Illyar: how do you fix hurting?
    Stargate Tone: in case one has option to give any help to the hurted one
    Stargate Tone: love is the first healer
    Stargate Tone: you know that
    Fael Illyar: Of course :) Just, the hurting happened, that can't be changed.
    Stargate Tone: nope
    Stargate Tone: only 'by time' if that time is healing time
    Stargate Tone: if not...to wound continues to exist
    Fael Illyar: does it require deciding causing the wound was a mistake to then heal it?
    Moon Fargis: uh
    Stargate Tone: well...think that everybody needs the reason to do or not to do; what ever that to do or not is...
    Fael Illyar: Moon?
    Moon Fargis: lets relax a bit :)
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Stargate Tone: (Moon setting a bandage on the wound :) (?))
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Fael Illyar laughs.
    Moon Fargis: well had also the luck that a butterfly poses for me
    Moon Fargis: http://picasaweb.google.com/Sylvio.K...09498135433682
    Stargate Tone: ***
    Fael Illyar: Ooh, nice picture :)
    Bertram Jacobus: both very nice pictures ...
    Stargate Tone: (so sencitive atm that would cry if I'de look them and see more than I see 'through you' )
    Moon Fargis: ^^ you know it already star ^^
    Stargate Tone: ah *
    Stargate Tone: and yes; them butterflies are to me also the special messagers from my called upstairs office
    Stargate Tone: messangers of love
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Fael Illyar was very happy to find the butterfly in the kitchen window.
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar: I took a few photos, then helped it find the open window :)
    Fael Illyar: was difficult as it was so scared of my finger that it didn't want to sit on it for long enough that I could get it out :)
    Stargate Tone: *
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Moon Fargis: ah satr, did you already saw those? http://picasaweb.google.com/Sylvio.K...27072009Zorge#
    Moon Fargis: star
    Moon Fargis: there was a butterfly lovefest :)
    Moon Fargis: ah i mean loveparade
    Moon Fargis: haha
    Stargate Tone: hm
    Stargate Tone: feels that I can look at them :)***
    Stargate Tone: *grins*
    Stargate Tone: ah yes; but was good to see again :)*
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Bertram Jacobus: wonderful pictures moon ! :-))
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Moon Fargis: feel free to look around, here i store those i like most: http://picasaweb.google.com/Sylvio.Kurze/Impressions#
    Moon Fargis: what comes to sky impressions
    Bertram Jacobus: so many impressions everywhere ! i´m not so fast ...
    Stargate Tone: ah; you can save them addresses :)*
    Moon Fargis: ^^ noone said you should be fast :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i did it already :o) (saved it)
    Stargate Tone: :)*
    Moon Fargis: *streches*
    Moon Fargis: well i should take care now for something to eat, and to pack my stuff, and clea up hikari :)
    Stargate Tone: *
    Moon Fargis: but this requires to stand up.. and.. ehh im too lazy :)
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Bertram Jacobus: "okay" : i´ll take a pause from here now - was VERY nice this morning - ty all !
    Stargate Tone: thank you Bert for sharing *
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Moon Fargis: ok see you soon bert
    Fael Illyar: See you later Bert :)
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. have a nice day ("and please : may be all beings happy") ...
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar: may all beings be happy :)
    Bertram Jacobus: :-))
    Moon Fargis: ^^ ok ill should retreat too , lots of stuff to take care of
    Fael Illyar: I'll take a break as well :)
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar: See you two later :)
    Stargate Tone: *
    Moon Fargis: see you later ^^/
    Fael Illyar: what time do you poof from SL Moon?
    Moon Fargis: tomorrow
    Moon Fargis: evening
    Fael Illyar: Ok :)
    Fael Illyar: have fun :)

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