2009.08.17 13:00 - On the sofa with us

The Guardian for this meeting was Stim Morane. The comments are by Stim Morane.

Wol Euler: hello scathach
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Wol:)
Wol Euler: how does one become Honourable in SL?
Scathach Rhiadra: ah, join the right resident group!
--BELL--
Wol Euler: ha, so simple.
doug Sosa: hi
Wol Euler: hello doug
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello doug
Wol Euler: hello bertram too :)
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello bertrum
doug Sosa: hi bert
Wol Euler: storm is hiding out to the north of us, perhaps he'll come too :)
Bertram Jacobus: my radar shows him : 33 meters away ... ;-)
doug Sosa: how do you tell direction? Sun swt?
Wol Euler: I have the minimap open always :)
doug Sosa: set
doug Sosa: ah.
Wol Euler: I found it very convenient for giving directions to hapless newbies
doug Sosa: i had no idea, I am surveilled!
Bertram Jacobus: minimap is helpful. i agree. also to see others ...
Wol Euler grins
Wol Euler: hello hana
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello hana
doug Sosa: hi han
Hana Furlough: hi everyone~
Bertram Jacobus: hello hana ... :-)
Bertram Jacobus: hey stim :-)
doug Sosa: stim :)
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello stim, corvi!
Stim Morane: hi everyone
Hana Furlough: hi stim~
Bertram Jacobus: and corvi (i read that name in the - where ? somewhere in the net ... :o)
Wol Euler: hello fael, stim, corvi
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Bertram...I am often in the log and emails.
Hana Furlough: hi corv
Fael Illyar: Hi Corvi, Bert, Pila, Stim, ol, Scath, Hana, doug, Storm :)
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello fael
Hana Furlough: hi there fael~
Bertram Jacobus: yes. that was it : emails "corvi" ... :-)
Pila Mulligan: greetings
Bertram Jacobus: and good evening from here to you too pia :-)
Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles
Bertram Jacobus: pila, sorry
Wol Euler: helo pila
Scathach Rhiadra: hello Pila
Hana Furlough: hey pila~
doug Sosa: hi all of you over there.
Bertram Jacobus: and fael came also, very quiet (hi *whisper*) ... ;-)
Hana Furlough: wow i was just thinking about pink blossoms
Fael Illyar: I got this "test sculptie" done today :)
Stim Morane: :)
Fael Illyar: unfortunately, it needs at least 1.22 client to show up properly.
Wol Euler: doug, come and sit by us. this feels like an interview panel with you alone over there.
Bertram Jacobus: so hana you felt that already before it was presented now here ? (whaow) :-)
doug Sosa: right, i am interviewing.. :)
Stim Morane: we should interview YOU
Wol Euler: thank you :)
Hana Furlough: lol yeah i was thinking about pink buds... then i saw yor blossom
doug Sosa: name no rank no serial number.
Hana Furlough: it's so beautiful~
Fael Illyar: it's 3 prims :)
Hana Furlough: eeek! out of batteries
Wol Euler wonders if there will be birdsong like this at the retreat.
Hana Furlough: have wonderful afternoon
Wol Euler: bye hana, hurry back
Scathach Rhiadra: bye Hana
Stim Morane: bye hana
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi Mick
Wol Euler: hello mick
Bertram Jacobus: hi mick :-)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye Hana
Stim Morane: Hi mick
Mickorod Renard: hiya
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello mick
Mickorod Renard: hello
Pila Mulligan: hi Mick
Mickorod Renard: ;)
Fael Illyar: Hi Mick :)
--BELL--
Mickorod Renard: hi wester
Fael Illyar: Hi Wester :)
Bertram Jacobus: hello wester ... :-)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: hi wester
Wol Euler: helo wester
Scathach Rhiadra: hello Wester
Stim Morane: hi wester
doug Sosa: (hi)
Wester Kiranov: and doug
Wester Kiranov: and corvu etc
Wol Euler: hello ara
Mickorod Renard: hi ara
Bertram Jacobus: hi ara ... :-)
Pila Mulligan: hi Wester and Arabella
Fael Illyar: Hi Ara :)
Wester Kiranov: hi ara
arabella Ella: Hiya everyone!
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello ara
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Ara.
Stim Morane: hi arabella
arabella Ella: oh hi Stim!
Bertram Jacobus: hello tarmel ... :-)
Mickorod Renard: hi tarmel
Wol Euler: hello tarmel
Fael Illyar: Hi Tarmel :)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi tarmel
Stim Morane: hey tarmel
arabella Ella: Hiya Tarmel!
Wester Kiranov: were you discussing anything before this deluge of greetings?
Wester Kiranov: hi tarmel
Wol Euler: nope :)
arabella Ella: good question :)
doug Sosa: With lots of practice we are getting good at this. "Deluge". Love it.
Mickorod Renard: silence is golden
Tarmel Udimo: Hi Folks, couldn't get into SL, sorry I'm late:)
Wester Kiranov: how did that happen to the fountain?
Fael Illyar: I rezzed the flower I made today on it :)
Wester Kiranov: and put it on low. I se.
Fael Illyar: ah no, someone else put it on low :)
Bertram Jacobus: 12 people - more then i ever saw here i guess and so quiet as i never experienced it before i guess ... :-)
Mickorod Renard: its a challenge to my usual talkative self
Wol Euler: I'd be very curious to know what people are really doing :)
Mickorod Renard: i will tell u later wol
Stim Morane: :)
Wol Euler: :)
Bertram Jacobus: i was reading some profiles. and "did nothing", also ... :-)
doug Sosa: well, i must be in a mood cause i keep thinking of nasty things to say..
Wol Euler: ok, so I'll start. In RL I am eating raspberries and cream, the enjoyment of which takes some of my attention. I'm listening to birdsong and trying to watch the arising of my thoughts as I do so.
Wol Euler: and IMing too :)
Wol Euler looks to bert.
Bertram Jacobus: what do you see wol ? :-)
Fael Illyar has been listening to the silence and wondering if he quieted people up by rezzing this lotu flower here.
Wol Euler: oh, sorry, I was too busy typing to see that you had answered already :)
Bertram Jacobus: uh. ah. okay ! :-))
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I am sitting in a dark room decompressing after work, watching the screen and the flower and IMing.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: looks to Stim for the next "whatcha doin"
--BELL--
Stim Morane: I'm not doing much ... just wondering what topic will emerge for discussion.
Tarmel Udimo: wandering about whether Stim has any 'old selves' lurking or whether he's past that
Stim Morane: I think everyone has those ... the issue is not to be someone who lacks them, but there there is "so self" in the first place.
Stim Morane: *that there is no
Wester Kiranov: I am quite enjoying having this slow conversation with you all
Tarmel Udimo: sorry Wester I jumped in there:)
Bertram Jacobus: i agree : slowlyness is wonderful ! ... :-)
Pila Mulligan: this is an unusual morning for me, I'm dealing with a spam problem on a friend's server and on phone hold while waiting to get some information from the IRS (US tax agency) and being annoyed by Google mail insisting that I change my password
Stim Morane: :)
Wol Euler grins. Secretly busy
Tarmel Udimo: yikes:)
Pila Mulligan: too much so
Stim Morane: Yes, some days are like that
Pila Mulligan: :)
Tarmel Udimo: yesterday was like that:)
Stim Morane: :)
Wol Euler: doug, would you care to tell us about your mean & nasty mood, before you leave?
doug Sosa: it is getting clearer. I felt like something was WRONG, and it turns out people aren't HERE.
Wol Euler: ah :)
Tarmel Udimo: hehehehe
Wol Euler: you were missing us.
doug Sosa: I was feeling my way. I've noticed of late my increasing sensitivity to the tone of the group. Almost uncanny. Don't know why it is happening.
arabella Ella: :)
Wol Euler smiles. Do you think it*s a good thing?
doug Sosa: The other day i felt like pushig my hand through sand and coming up against some really sharp object, like a chunk of quartz with metal..
arabella Ella: in RL u mean?
doug Sosa: no, sitting here.
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: a metaphor for experiencing "here?"
Tarmel Udimo: the tone of the group that day? and today?
arabella Ella: perhaps you could try the pond rather than sand?
doug Sosa: it was how the group felt to me, not how the pond would feel. Different.
Tarmel Udimo: and today Doug?
doug Sosa: So today I felt absence but couldn't name it.
Tarmel Udimo: nods
Fael Illyar: Hi Isadora :)
Wol Euler: hello isadora
Tarmel Udimo: it does feel a bit like that.....
Mickorod Renard: hi isi
Bertram Jacobus: hi isadora :-)
Stim Morane: hi isadora
Pila Mulligan: hi Isadora
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Isadora
Wester Kiranov: hi isa
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Isadora
Tarmel Udimo: Hi Isadora
Wol Euler: that's good, doug, you are "coming alive" in Second Life :)
doug Sosa: and before?
Wol Euler: before you were just here, perhaps :)
doug Sosa: perhaps.
Isadora Davidov: Hello, sorry for the interruption
Wol Euler: I do have the impresssoin that your sensitivity to the group, to presence, to appearance even, is new.
Bertram Jacobus: no sorry necessairy isa *think* ... :-)
Isadora Davidov: Were you speaking to me?
Bertram Jacobus: (yes, only besides isa) ... ;-)
Tarmel Udimo: still thinking about - if there is no self why can't these old selves just disappear?
arabella Ella: why should they?
Isadora Davidov: Hmm, I'm not sure what the question is...?
arabella Ella: our old selves are part of us
Isadora Davidov: Oh..."self"
Tarmel Udimo: yes it was referenced before - sorry Isadora
Isadora Davidov: Thank you
Fael Illyar: why would they need to?
--BELL--
Mickorod Renard: is the self like an old jacket I can hang up in the wardrobe?
Tarmel Udimo: well carrying them around makes for heavy lifting
Mickorod Renard: oops
arabella Ella: depends Tarmel on how you accept your old 'selves' I guess
Tarmel Udimo: well even if one accepts, them loves them, beats them over the head with a big stick, do we need them?
arabella Ella: are they not all part of what makes us what we are today?
Wol Euler: depends how you define "need", perhaps?
arabella Ella: would we not be very different if they had never 'been'?
Mickorod Renard: I am taking my old self to a charity shop,,they can have it
Stim Morane: ;)
Wester Kiranov: :)
Tarmel Udimo: well yes it would be good to be no lonfer defined by an old self:)
Mickorod Renard: Stim promised me his anyway
Tarmel Udimo: longer
Tarmel Udimo: :)
Wol Euler: to me that's part of the "older", Tarmel: tehy are no longer the active "us"
Stim Morane: That's true, we just have to work out the shipping details, Mick
arabella Ella: :)
Tarmel Udimo: yes that's really my question:)
Wester Kiranov: :D
Mickorod Renard: :)
Mickorod Renard: hi Yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Wol Euler: hello yak
Wester Kiranov: hi yaku
arabella Ella: Hiya Yakuzza
Pila Mulligan: hi Yak
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Yakuzza
Fael Illyar: Hi Yaku :)
Stim Morane: Hi Yakuzza
Tarmel Udimo: Hi Yakuzza
arabella Ella: if I may venture my humble opinion Tarmel
Bertram Jacobus: for me, "self" and "i" does not make such a great difference. may be intellectual, but not essential ... only confusions wide spread about that in my opinion - is that too arrogant ? i don´t hope so (!) ...
Bertram Jacobus: hello yaku ... :-)
Isadora Davidov: Hello Yakuzza
Tarmel Udimo: sure arabella:)
arabella Ella: I try not to dwell too much on regret or on what 'could have been'
arabella Ella: and i try to elimate 'should have done' from my vocabulary whenever possible
Wol Euler nods
arabella Ella: as the english expression goes
arabella Ella: no point crying over spilt milk
arabella Ella: it is the future that beckons
Isadora Davidov: Very wise...but those thoughts and expressions do pop up as we tell our "story"
Mickorod Renard: or the present
arabella Ella: the present situation is what it is ... we can only act in such a way to attempt to create a better future self
Isadora Davidov: Maintaing our story...helpful, not so helpful?
Isadora Davidov: maintaining
Wester Kiranov: but ... we can only act NOW
Tarmel Udimo: gd point, except the future is not seperate from the past or the present so they are all coming with you whether you think they are or not
arabella Ella nods
arabella Ella: and as humans we tend to often repeat the same ... sometimes misguided ... actions ... but
Fael Illyar: it's good to pay attention that you're not just changing your vocabulary... stopping using certain sentences only directs the same thoughts to another ways of expression unless the thoughts themselves change.
Wol Euler: if that is true, then it follows that we cannot possibly lose our previous selves...
arabella Ella: we can always say to ourselves we did what we thought best under the circumstances
Isadora Davidov: Laughs..yes, all rolled up together, tangled up it all comes
Wol Euler: so we'd better just shift over and make room for them on the sofa with us
Fael Illyar: Hi Ari :)
Bertram Jacobus: hello ariasia ... :-)
Wester Kiranov: hi arisia
Wol Euler: hello ari
arabella Ella: Hiya Ari!
Arisia Vita: hello to all my friends
Corvuscorva Nightfire: hi Ari!!
Stim Morane: hi arisia
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello ari
Mickorod Renard: but we can start with the present,in hope that it will not corrupt the future
Mickorod Renard: hiya ari
Isadora Davidov: Well, I don't want to whitewash mistakes saying I was doing my best...such a tiny best as I look back
arabella Ella: the only thing that really scares me to be honest is ...
Isadora Davidov: Hello Arisia
Tarmel Udimo: Hi Ari
arabella Ella: that there are so many external influences that often affect the way we think and act
arabella Ella: and i find that scarey as it involves a marginal lack or seeming lack of autonomy
Isadora Davidov: What scares you?
Isadora Davidov: Oh
Fael Illyar: umm... why be scared of not having something that does not really exist...
arabella Ella: external influences ... like our parental upbringing for example and how we tend to resemble our parents and their thoughts and actions more and more the older we grow
Wester Kiranov: what is an external influence anyway, and what is internal?
Wester Kiranov: (you answered before i asked)
arabella Ella: :)
Isadora Davidov: I do admire and want to develop the positive qualities my parents demonstrated
arabella Ella: plus there are other constraints or influences that society and the media impose on us at times without our conscious noticing
Bertram Jacobus: sounds nice isa ... :-)
--BELL--
arabella Ella: so my question is ... how autonomous are we really?
doug Sosa: must go. bye.
Mickorod Renard: bye doug
arabella Ella: bye doug
Bertram Jacobus: [bye doug]
Wol Euler: bye doug
Pila Mulligan: bye doug
Tarmel Udimo: bye doug
Scathach Rhiadra: bye doug
Mickorod Renard: didnt need a plaster for his hand did he?
Isadora Davidov: Goodbye Doug
Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye Doug
Wester Kiranov: But in upbringing, for instance, there is always an element of choice as well. you can rebel or not, agree or not, admire or not ... those choices are internal.
arabella Ella: are you sure about that Wester?
arabella Ella: could it not perhaps be the case that
arabella Ella: those who rebel have it in their genes to rebel ... or not to?
Wester Kiranov: never completely sure, which is my point
Scathach Rhiadra: good night all!
Wester Kiranov: bye scath
Stim Morane: bye Scathach
Wol Euler: 'night scath, take care
Tarmel Udimo: night Scath!
arabella Ella: nite Scath
Mickorod Renard: bye scath
Pila Mulligan: bye Scath
Bertram Jacobus: again and again i think : i don´t know anything. therefore play as being is also a nice idea to me ...
Fael Illyar: bye Scath :)
Isadora Davidov: Goodbye! Yes, I think certain traits are activated, either from the inborn or from the enviornment...and then...
Isadora Davidov: and then...living, behaving, reacting, initiating...etc happens...all while we are so very young and immature
Wester Kiranov: you can feel something is completely external to you and later find out you did have a choice, or the other way round
Isadora Davidov: Ah, but you have to be skillful to realize there's a choice and then enact it
arabella Ella: yes i often think that we feel we have a choice and after reflection over time find we did not have so much of a choice after all
Mickorod Renard: at some parts of your life I dont think you recognise that anything is wrong
Wester Kiranov: and what decides if we get skillful? is that just out own choice? practice?
Wester Kiranov: and how do you decide to see or to ignore?
Bertram Jacobus: i´ll leave. ty all , have a good time and may all beings be happy
Isadora Davidov: Well, knowledge developing or coming to consciousness
Wester Kiranov: bye bert
Wol Euler: goodnight bertram, schlaf gut
arabella Ella: perhaps one can learn to be skilful with sensitivity and experience ... perhaps ... i hope
Mickorod Renard: bye bert
Tarmel Udimo: bye Bertrum
arabella Ella: bye Bert
Stim Morane: bye bert
Pila Mulligan: bye Bert
Isadora Davidov: Goodbye Bertram
Bertram Jacobus: tyty :-))
Fael Illyar: Good night Bert :)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye Bert
Pila Mulligan slips aways also -- bye for now
Bertram Jacobus: ups- syry yaku :o)
Mickorod Renard: bye pila
Wester Kiranov: bye pila
Wol Euler: bye pila
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Bye, Pila
arabella Ella: bye Pila
Tarmel Udimo: Bye Pila
Isadora Davidov: Goodbye Pila
Mickorod Renard: is the chance to reflect a generous oportunity in life?
Wol Euler: depends entirely how you use it, Mick.
Wol Euler: it can be, sure; but if you spend your time telling yourself what a fool you were, you will make your state of mind worse.
Wol Euler: (previous selves again ;)
Mickorod Renard: your not reading my mind are you Wol?
Isadora Davidov: I think time for reflection is a gift...some people have very little..their circumstances desperate
Tarmel Udimo: yes one is extremely grateful for all that Being has given
Isadora Davidov: I think regret and remorse, in proper measure are necessary and valuable..unless of course you've been faultless
Mickorod Renard: I wonder,,if I was positive about everything I wouldnt bother reflecting
Wester Kiranov: don't the buddhists stress the preciousness of life as a human being because only thus we have a chance to reflect?
Isadora Davidov: Yes, I've heard something about that from Buddhist teachers
--BELL--
Mickorod Renard: I think its so quiet here tonite we must all be doing alot of reflecting
Mickorod Renard: oops
Corvuscorva Nightfire: reflecting like a madwoman.
Wol Euler: or a mirror
Isadora Davidov: I t hink they call that poetry
Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles.
Mickorod Renard: I remember another session where it was intimated a good way to look at ourselves is by seeing from a diferent perspective,,like from parent to child,,,i guess we could also do that during reflection
Mickorod Renard: and see our past events as fond mems of children growing up
Wol Euler smiles
Wester Kiranov: This was a very lovely conversation, but I have to leave now. Bye!
Mickorod Renard: bye wester
Wol Euler: 'night wester, take care
Stim Morane: Bye Wester!
Fael Illyar: Good night Wester :)
Isadora Davidov: Good bye Wester
Tarmel Udimo: Bye wester
Stim Morane: gotta go. Thanks, everyone!
Wol Euler: goodnight stim, enjoy the day
Mickorod Renard: nite stim
Tarmel Udimo: bye stim
arabella Ella: nite Wester nite Stim
Stim Morane: bye
Isadora Davidov: Good bye!
Isadora Davidov: I need to return to RL...thank you everyone!
arabella Ella: bye Isa
Wol Euler: 'night isa, take care
Fael Illyar: See you later Isadora :)
Mickorod Renard: bye isadoea
Mickorod Renard: I have to go now too,,bye and thanks all
Wol Euler: bye mick, bye ara
arabella Ella: bye Micko
arabella Ella: i must go too nite everyone
Mickorod Renard: x
Fael Illyar: See you later Ara, Mick :)
Tarmel Udimo: well only a few days to go and then I'm out of here!
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: only in a virtual sense.
Wol Euler: if anything you will be deeper into here
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i started listening to knew and old lectures again :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i started listening to knew and old lectures again :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: sry
Tarmel Udimo: true enough - yikes
Yakuzza Lethecus: that was ment for chat
Wol Euler: :)
Tarmel Udimo: Corvi are you on the east or west coast?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: east coast
Tarmel Udimo: and you're coming, wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wol Euler smiles
Corvuscorva Nightfire: nods.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: grins
Tarmel Udimo: wonderful, another girl:)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: grins...oh..you, me, Saki..who else?
Tarmel Udimo: humm I think Maxine
Corvuscorva Nightfire: nods.
--BELL--
Fael Illyar: what would you people think if this flower was the autorecorder in the future?
Tarmel Udimo: I like it
Tarmel Udimo: but then i love flowers
Corvuscorva Nightfire: smiles.
Fael Illyar smiles.
Tarmel Udimo: uhmmmm I guess you'll need to check with Storm?
Fael Illyar: I sent him an IM but he hasn't replied yet.
Arisia Vita: I like it, but then I love you
Arisia Vita: :)
Wol Euler: your judgement is clouded? :)
Fael Illyar smiles.
Tarmel Udimo: fael, you've changed:)
Fael Illyar: have I? :P
Wol Euler chuckles
Tarmel Udimo: well only on the surface:)
Fael Illyar smiles.
Wol Euler: :)
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: good night/morning/day everyone :)
Tarmel Udimo: well this is it for me folks, off to RL
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Time for me to go, too.
Yakuzza Lethecus: good day tamel :)
Wol Euler: bye tarmel, enjoy breakfast and have a good day
Fael Illyar: Good day Tarmel :)
Tarmel Udimo: bye all
Wol Euler: bye corvi, take care.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: thanks Wol, bye all.
Wol Euler: I'm going ot stop the recorder now, in cse it stops anyway while we fiddle with the scripts