2010.01.07 19:00 - Hearing the Silence of Sound

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Paradise Tennant. 


    Paradise Tennant: so far only a session of one I am afraid...
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    Paradise Tennant: hello cal :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello
    Paradise Tennant: very quiet tonight ...it seems not one is online :) but that can be good too :)
    Paradise Tennant: *no
    Paradise Tennant: how are you
    Calvino Rabeni: good - very busy day, lots of calls and online stuff and meeting at my house, etc.
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Luckily I got my sit in, earlier
    Calvino Rabeni: The anchor
    Paradise Tennant: how long do you sit for ?
    Calvino Rabeni: 1/2 hour first, then maybe again right after
    Paradise Tennant: fixed point meditation ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Not sure what that is exactly, can you describe it a bit?
    Paradise Tennant: hmm focusing you mind on one thing .. a candle flame .. picture of a buddha .. flower and trying to slow down the general distraction by dropping everything else
    Paradise Tennant: *your
    Paradise Tennant: sometimes I just focus on being internally still
    Paradise Tennant: see a quiet space inside
    Calvino Rabeni: I don't do that, don't make any attempt whatsoever at stillness
    Paradise Tennant: what do you do
    Calvino Rabeni: It is open space awareness, no focus, only awareness of the pure openness around whatever else happens
    Calvino Rabeni: for half hour
    Paradise Tennant: interesting
    Calvino Rabeni: after that, I switch to subtle body energy stuff, maybe a little tantric
    Paradise Tennant: hiya steve we are talking about the different ways of sitting
    Calvino Rabeni: Two different styles, usually I keep them separate
    stevenaia Michinaga: never formerly sat, will be interesting reading
    Paradise Tennant: subtle body energy stuff .. becoming aware of your body ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: mainly stand while dong tai chi
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at steve I remember you standing :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: waiting for chi
    Calvino Rabeni: body and body energy and any subtle movement, vibration feeling, etc, against the pure space I contacted in the first state
    Calvino Rabeni: THis second stage is also chi-gung like. I do it nearly standing
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, that too
    Calvino Rabeni: very altert and energetic
    Calvino Rabeni: but has nondual awareness mixed at that stage
    Paradise Tennant: so becoming aware of openess .. then focusing on the bodily sensation of it ?
    Calvino Rabeni: More or less yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Except that the focus doesn't create "objects" of perception
    Paradise Tennant: what does it create
    Calvino Rabeni: So it isn't necessarily a "sensation"
    Calvino Rabeni: It takes normal "sensations" apart - might or might not change them, doesn't actually matter
    Paradise Tennant: what do you mean by pure space ...?
    Calvino Rabeni: It is useful as a folloup if I have some kind of creative project, then I can use the results of the first two activities
    Calvino Rabeni: But I don't do that regularly
    Paradise Tennant: seeking stillness .. creates an opening .. too
    Calvino Rabeni: I think, when people talk about "pure consciousness" they might mean the same thing I mean by pure space
    Calvino Rabeni: But it has no interference with activity
    Paradise Tennant: so nondual .. beyond self ?
    Calvino Rabeni: one night Ithink it was bolo and I were talking about listening deeply into sound
    Calvino Rabeni: and an experience of hearingthe deep silence inside the sould
    Paradise Tennant: ok what is bolo ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Bolonath, a PAB guardian
    Calvino Rabeni: Or maybe I misremember - you can search it in the log keywords sound and silence
    Paradise Tennant: ok
    Calvino Rabeni: Even inside the crudest sound, there is deepsilence
    Paradise Tennant: smiles .. sound has a resonance .. that dissipates into silence .. yes..
    Calvino Rabeni: Loud, you could meditate on the bus stop, doesn't matter, the background is there
    Paradise Tennant: yes often meditate in all kinds of places
    Calvino Rabeni: It doesn't dissipate into it, it coexists
    Paradise Tennant: standing in line .. sitting on a bus .. what ever
    Calvino Rabeni: But in one practice in a school I went to,we would use a bell
    Paradise Tennant: or a singing bowl ?
    Calvino Rabeni: and follow it into infinitely quiet after each time the bell rang.
    Calvino Rabeni: It was a zen martial arts dojo practice
    Paradise Tennant: to hear the silence within sound ?
    Calvino Rabeni: But that was like using a mantra to get a taste - it seems later the bell sound isn't needed any more
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Paradise Tennant: the tibetan has a sort of symbol which they think can part reality .. it has a beautiful sound
    Calvino Rabeni: I like the singing bowl - it is fun to have a group meditation with those
    Paradise Tennant: yes bought one this summer .. they are beautiful to look at as well
    Paradise Tennant: *tibetans have
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I'd like to have a big quartz one
    Paradise Tennant: lol hmm not sure you would get the sound .. the resonance or frequency comes from the comingling of seven or eight types of metal
    Paradise Tennant: I have an explanation somewhere of how they are crafted
    Calvino Rabeni: There is a tibetan guy teaching with different bowls made of mineral - i just saw it on youtube - don't know if he's good
    Paradise Tennant: I am going to have to try to listen for the silence within the sound though
    Calvino Rabeni: RIght there's an ancient art to it
    Calvino Rabeni: One thing I really liked about temples in asia is some have lots of bells
    Paradise Tennant: yes and they are works of art and love
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe dozens or hundreds, with scriptures etc, on them
    Paradise Tennant: yes each symbol with a meaning
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, the bells speak them
    Calvino Rabeni: I recently started a group that meets at my house for meditation - it is rather sweet to have them there, as a contrast to the normal solo sits
    Paradise Tennant: I am going to use voice for a moment and let my new bowl sing .. are you ok with that ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Got to hook up, hold in
    Calvino Rabeni: on
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: Hearing it
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice
    Paradise Tennant: wow it takes a lot to make it go that loud ....
    Paradise Tennant: enough to be able to be picked up by the mike
    Paradise Tennant: you started a meditation group in rl
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I didn't start it, it was co-op, but we meet at my house
    Paradise Tennant: nice
    Calvino Rabeni: It is naturalized - no religion involved
    Calvino Rabeni: But by now, many people know how, don't need instructions
    Paradise Tennant: I find group meditation often much stronger .. like it is amplified somehow...
    Calvino Rabeni: It is a practice support group- some people find that helpful
    Paradise Tennant: just found my self playing the lyrics to sounds of silence in my head . .only it woudl silence of sounds :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, there is somethign special about the group sit
    Paradise Tennant: a oractice support group to help people sit
    Paradise Tennant: *would be
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes but not just. To help them put together a whole set of whatever practices would benefit their lifes
    Paradise Tennant: yes alot of that relates to disciplines though often I find thought discipline the most effective
    Calvino Rabeni: an awareness discipline goes along with any other activity
    Paradise Tennant: training yourself out of having negative or judgemental thoughts .. focusing on the present moment ..
    Paradise Tennant: builidng awareness that is based more in the present and less in abstraction
    Calvino Rabeni: It varies a lot with different people, their character and how long they've practiced
    Calvino Rabeni: Some struggle with the psychological, e.g. the inner critics or whatever
    Calvino Rabeni: but that isn't a universal thing
    Calvino Rabeni: And there are some who wouldn't even want to be part of that group, because their stuggles while valid, are of a different type
    Calvino Rabeni: for instance, they need to work hard on not being alcoholic
    Calvino Rabeni: so it is their main concern for a while, maybe a long time
    Calvino Rabeni: however long it takes
    Calvino Rabeni: And there is the stage of struggling with personal history, family, etc.
    Paradise Tennant: addiction is a very heavy word ..
    Calvino Rabeni: This is served by therap,
    Calvino Rabeni: therapy
    Calvino Rabeni: I was talkign about 12-step addiction programs
    Calvino Rabeni: the members identify themselves as being alcholic and want help with it
    Paradise Tennant: and it works
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes it works for them
    Calvino Rabeni: Many of them have issues and habits of blame and judgment
    Calvino Rabeni: Which were part of the culture of an addicted family
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: But some famiilies don't have that, they have other ways in which their "being" is hidden
    Paradise Tennant: such as
    Calvino Rabeni: attachment to achievement... compulsive behavours they don't want ... workaholic ... eating disorders ... depression ...
    Calvino Rabeni: There are lots of ways to get lost, all pretty distinct
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: and equally lost
    Calvino Rabeni: Or things like oppression
    stevenaia Michinaga: time to depart
    stevenaia Michinaga: enjoy
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite steve :) thanks for coming
    Calvino Rabeni: Not that it isn't real in the world as a social pattern, but the identity is an interalized thing
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye steve
    Paradise Tennant: well it is morphing .. kind of delusion .. really
    Calvino Rabeni: health issues that are insome degree psychosomatic
    Paradise Tennant: how do you see identify ..
    Paradise Tennant: *identity
    Calvino Rabeni: I resist the idea that there should be a generally accepted model of the "healthy, happy human being" however
    Paradise Tennant: hmm lol we would not be human if we were ..all we could be :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Because if you assume that, then no one measures up, and the drug companies can have a field day with their marketing
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    Paradise Tennant: well I am glad I am human .. more fun than being a wood chuck
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: Hmm, I'm glad too,but quite biased, never tried being a wood chuck :)
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: never know maybe you have but have forgotten :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Human is "the way to be" in my humble opinion :
    Paradise Tennant: I wonder sometimes about memory if not on some level it is a resonance too .. seems so tragic that the only you really have ..your memories snuff like a candle
    Calvino Rabeni: However, if we could be both at the same time, it might be tempting :)
    Paradise Tennant: rather than shared on some level
    Calvino Rabeni: And they may be like you say - I think that a lot
    Paradise Tennant: is picturing a woodchuckish human
    Calvino Rabeni: Or on alternate times, with complete memory
    Calvino Rabeni: I think every human has a deep memory of what it is like to be other animals
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: I agree
    Calvino Rabeni: A memory more like a resonance
    Paradise Tennant: we are all part of the same fabric ..
    Calvino Rabeni: Sometimes I think, if a UFO abducted a human and took them to another planet, with beings made only of glass, for instance, except for a dog or woodchuck, the human would then be able to feel kinship with those earth creatures
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: And a different kinship with the glass entities however
    Paradise Tennant: well can feel kinship .. strong attunement .. here and now ..
    Paradise Tennant: to all manner of animals
    Paradise Tennant: if we allow ourselves to know them
    Calvino Rabeni: But there is a great dal to resonate with, about being embodied in this way, whth warm blood, skin, all that
    Calvino Rabeni: it is a common experience
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: as in - we have it in common with mammals -
    Paradise Tennant: common joys .. fears .. intellligence ..animals are much smarter than we percieve
    Calvino Rabeni: We all have the same bones and body plan, more or less
    Calvino Rabeni: emotions, hunger, gravity, ways of moving
    Paradise Tennant: nods .. 99% same DNA as apes
    Calvino Rabeni: Agree with what you said about intelligence etc.
    Calvino Rabeni: Of course to some minds, only the differences really matter
    Paradise Tennant: do you have a pet ?
    Calvino Rabeni: because those are the points around which competitive advantages can be gained.
    Calvino Rabeni: Pet, not right now, I had a cat a while back
    Calvino Rabeni: Smart animal
    Calvino Rabeni: Good relater
    Paradise Tennant: my dog packed me lunch a few weeks back
    Paradise Tennant: seriously .. I take a gym bag to work every day run at lunch .. found two mouthfuls of kibble in my gymbag .. one day .. only entity in the apartment who could have done that was the dog :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I was waiting for the story - nice :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Very considerate
    Paradise Tennant: found alittle pile of kibble by my pillow one night too .. maybe he thinks I don't eat enough
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Paradise Tennant: yes very considerate
    Calvino Rabeni: My cat brought me things I didn't actually want to eat
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Calvino Rabeni: A bat, for instance
    Calvino Rabeni: But I appreciated the difficulty involved in catching it
    Paradise Tennant: poor bat
    Calvino Rabeni: The bat was OK, as was the oppossum
    Paradise Tennant: wow
    Paradise Tennant: an oppossum!
    Calvino Rabeni: They are tough
    Calvino Rabeni: The lizard was OK too
    Calvino Rabeni: the birds usually didn't make it - they are fragile
    Paradise Tennant: ;(
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Although he would eat the whole thing bones feathers beak and all
    Calvino Rabeni: What a stomach
    Paradise Tennant: was watching a pigeon swoop and dive from my office today .. wondering how that must feel being able to dive into to space plummet down and then just spread your wings and curve back up into the sky
    Paradise Tennant: pretty cool being a bird I would bet
    Calvino Rabeni: Sounds fun
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: And apparently you know where your food stashes are, all over town
    Calvino Rabeni: If a bird
    Paradise Tennant: yes who will feed you
    Paradise Tennant: and when
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Some birds hide their seeds for the winter, in hundreds or thousands of places, and remember where
    Paradise Tennant: :) they are very smart
    Calvino Rabeni: "Bird Brain" is quite good at doing certain things.
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: :) i am going to have scoot .. getting sleepy .. almost midnight here
    Paradise Tennant: thank you so much for coming
    Calvino Rabeni: Of course that ability evolved quite a bit into humans
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye Paradise, good talking to you
    Paradise Tennant: was really quiet tonight .. feels very odd to be sitting here alone for so long ..usually it is a place of company ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: sleep well
    Paradise Tennant: good night cal :) lol dog must know we are about to go for a walk . he just got up and walked over and started wagging his tail I swear he can read my mind ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: Midnight stroll
    Paradise Tennant: you too sleep well :)
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Paradise Tennant: yes .. very chilly one .. last walk of the day I scurry out with a coat of my pj and we do not go far in this weather lol :)


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