2010.06.03 19:00 - We All Dream

The Guardian for this meeting was Paradise Tennant. The comments are by  Paradise  Tennant.

Paradise Tennant: hiya steve
stevenaia Michinaga: hello
Paradise Tennant: how are you ;)
stevenaia Michinaga: were those your flowers?
stevenaia Michinaga: good
Paradise Tennant: hiya

Eden Haiku: Yes, they were I forgot them this morning ;)
Paradise Tennant: gtsy !
stevenaia Michinaga: I seem to be on some sort of dreaming marathon lately, had 3 more last night, 2 that I remember
stevenaia Michinaga: very unusual for me
Eden Haiku: HI Paradise. I was fast-reading last session log where you and Steve were talking about dreams.
Paradise Tennant: yes
Paradise Tennant: we are on a dream marathon :) as steve mentions
Eden Haiku: Steve you said something so interesting about parallel worlds being close to us or something like that?
stevenaia Michinaga: thinking of restarting a journal again
stevenaia Michinaga: yes
stevenaia Michinaga: with all these thoughts of parallel universes, it makes sense that they may tough when dreaming
stevenaia Michinaga: *tough
stevenaia Michinaga: touch
stevenaia Michinaga: then seeing the future or other thing that come true may make sense, where else can the imagery come from
Paradise Tennant: hmm was watching two documentaries tonight by stephen hawkings one was on time travel :)
Paradise Tennant: quite possible
stevenaia Michinaga: making the un real , real
stevenaia Michinaga: were they on youtube?
Paradise Tennant: just have to either boomerang your self around a black hole or go close to the speed of life
Paradise Tennant: nope discovery channel :)
Eden Haiku: Oh, time travel and parallel universes touching in dreams!
stevenaia Michinaga: if universes and dimensions are on membranes and they touch, perhaps when we sleep our mind sense that
stevenaia Michinaga: yes
stevenaia Michinaga: can't say I thought this one through :)
Eden Haiku: On membranes Steve?
stevenaia Michinaga: but we seem to perceive much that we are unaware of
Paradise Tennant: yes
stevenaia Michinaga: string theory mentions this
Paradise Tennant: yes
Eden Haiku:  theory is very interesting!
stevenaia Michinaga: I watch to much nation geographic science
Eden Haiku: Sorry for all the ...That is me looking in the underworld for the peonies I apparently forgot here also...
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Paradise</place> Tennant: smiles
Eden Haiku: It seems I can't dive under the pool....
stevenaia Michinaga: we can make the pool go away
stevenaia Michinaga: no flowers there
Paradise Tennant: hmm
Paradise Tennant: how do you adjust your horizon on your camera so
Eden Haiku: Well, no worries...
Paradise Tennant: <city w:st="on">eden</place></city> can snoop below the ground level storm explained it to me
Eden Haiku: Should I widen the angle maybe?
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Zxxxxx
Paradise Tennant: could try your camera controls
Paradise Tennant: hiya zxxxxx :) welcome
stevenaia Michinaga: we are 103 feet up, there must be a way to fly under us
--BELL--
Paradise Tennant: have you been to pab before
Paradise Tennant: here is a notecard
Eden Haiku: Looking for peonies in the underworld is maybe a practical metaphor about dream worlds.
stevenaia Michinaga: I see you have a physics interest, Zxxxxx, would you like to tell us about string theory and multiverses?
Paradise Tennant: explains what we do here :)
Paradise Tennant: yes eden
Paradise Tennant: we also record our conversations .. so what you say would be posted to a wiki site .. do you
stevenaia Michinaga: if you know about such things
Paradise Tennant: object?
Eden Haiku: Hi Zxxxxx, would you mind sitting down please?
stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps he is distracted
Paradise Tennant: yes may have a window open or be in another application .. perhaps we should not worry about his feet getting too wet :)
Eden Haiku: This morning, he stayed for the whole session, afk all the time ;)
stevenaia Michinaga: it can be embarrassing making that sloshing sound when he walks away
Eden Haiku: his morning, he stayed for the whole session, afk all the time ;)
Paradise Tennant: yep gives you wrinkly toes :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I see, shall we try the other side?
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Paradise Tennant: ok
Paradise Tennant: dreams and peonies it is then ?
Eden Haiku: smiles too
Eden Haiku: Mutiverses and string theory, too bad we have a scientist here who won't answer our questions. Maybe we can read his mind?
Paradise Tennant: hmm
Paradise Tennant: listening to stephen hawking tonight
Eden Haiku: yes
Paradise Tennant: I always wonder if he will figure it out .
Paradise Tennant: but by then be beyond communicating
Eden Haiku: the whole picture you mean ;)
Paradise Tennant: you would look in his eyes and know he knows .. but cannot say :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles he has a great sense of humor
Paradise Tennant: listened to him talk at u of t once
Eden Haiku: Yes that should happen this way As soon as he knows it all, his last movement vanishes...
Eden Haiku: So we keep the suspense!
stevenaia Michinaga: I enjoy listening to pema's discussion of science and how new and changing it is over the very recent human history and how each new thought builds on the last and changes other previous ideas
Eden Haiku: Was I writing and then his moves being translated in voice?
Eden Haiku: *he (Stephen Hawking)
Paradise Tennant: he has an automated voice
Paradise Tennant: some sort of interconnection
Paradise Tennant: not sure he has use of his fingers any more
Eden Haiku: Amazing he can communicate through all these obstacles...
Paradise Tennant: yes
Paradise Tennant: the human spirit
Paradise Tennant: in full bloom
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, where would that mind be 50 years ago, in its own prison unable to communicate
Paradise Tennant: makes you blink
Eden Haiku: Yes Steve, your previous remark about science changing all other previous ideas...
Paradise Tennant: you know his break through math was very messy
Eden Haiku: Messy?
Paradise Tennant: at first they thought naw this is too messy it cannot work .. but it held together for a long time .. makes me think that life is messy :)
Paradise Tennant: hiya cal gtsy :)
Eden Haiku: Hi Calvino
Paradise Tennant: eventually it was over turned by even messier math :) big grin
stevenaia Michinaga: II went to school with someone who programmed satellites in high school for nasa and became a programmer, I always wondered what he would have been doing if was born 100 years ago
Calvino Rabeni: Hi, good evening Paradise. Eden
Paradise Tennant: smiles running shipping logistics :)
stevenaia Michinaga: wb Cal
Calvino Rabeni: thanks!
Paradise Tennant: crash or an involuntary tp ..tried the viewer 2 for just a few hours get beaming myself all over the place .. lol
--BELL--
Paradise Tennant: *kept ..
Eden Haiku: Beaming yourself all over the place would be a good metaphor for traveling through metaverses and dreams.
Paradise Tennant: yes it is ..isn't it ... away of escaping the physical realm
Eden Haiku: Escaping you think?
Eden Haiku: Is it what we do when we dream?
Paradise Tennant: hmm stepping outside of perhaps a better way to express it
Paradise Tennant: what did you dream about recently steve you said you have been having lots of dreams
Eden Haiku: Teleporting out of physical plane?
Eden Haiku: Yes, Steve, do tell!
stevenaia Michinaga: one was about a bank robbery with will smith and a 94 yr old grandmother, a very strange gang
Paradise Tennant: smiles ..yep ..
stevenaia Michinaga: we didn’t make a fast get away
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Eden Haiku: Will Smith comes into your dreams, I wonder what it means :))
Ewan Bonham: It could mean we are a bit of Will smith
stevenaia Michinaga: they other was just about a garage with many books stored in it
Paradise Tennant: hiya ewan gtsy :) welcome
Eden Haiku: Hello Druth and Ewan ;)
Paradise Tennant: hiya druth :)
druth Vlodovic: :)
Eden Haiku: Garage with books, mmm
Ewan Bonham: Greetings
stevenaia Michinaga: I never really think about meaning, just how unusual the stories may be or where the familiar landmarks come from
Ewan Bonham: I believe Dreams are a part of us seeking expression.
Eden Haiku: Yes, Ewan, I would think so too
stevenaia Michinaga: don;t think I saw andy Will smith movie's lately, but he has been in quite a few
stevenaia Michinaga: *any
Eden Haiku: Men in black from outer space?
stevenaia Michinaga: one of my favorite movies
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Paradise Tennant: liked the dog :)
Eden Haiku: There was a dog in this movie, you have a good eye Paradise (for dogs!)
Paradise Tennant: lol yes first thing I notice ..
Eden Haiku: Reminds me of a story.
Paradise Tennant: smiles and listens
stevenaia Michinaga: ....listens
Ewan Bonham: I love stories
Eden Haiku: A group of primitive people from the jungle are shown a documentary about a big city.
Eden Haiku: The only thing they remember afterwards is the lion at the zoo ;)
Eden Haiku: The only thing that made sense to them...
Eden Haiku: I inherited my father's lack of timing when telling stories ;) That was it !
Paradise Tennant: smiles yes
Ewan Bonham: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: hehe
Eden Haiku: We recognize what is familiar.
Paradise Tennant: when we look around our worlds both objective and our own internal subjective reality what parts make sense ?
druth Vlodovic: maybe why dreams fade so quickly
Paradise Tennant: yes
Paradise Tennant: they do not make sense so are filtered
stevenaia Michinaga: dreams are an interesting part of reality that are allowed not to make sense
Eden Haiku: Ah yes, interesting thought Druth: dreams worlds being unfamiliar, we cannot recall what we went through...
stevenaia Michinaga: dropping sense
Ewan Bonham: indeed , that is how they are able to reveal themselves to you.
Ewan Bonham: Somewhat like SL
Eden Haiku: Dropping from one world into another
Paradise Tennant: was watching a documentary once that suggested the Indians did not see the ships of the first European settlers for a long time ..because the image made no sense to them
--BELL--
Eden Haiku: Wow that is a good example Paradise!
Eden Haiku: Wondering what we are missing now...
Paradise Tennant: smiles and nods ..
Eden Haiku: That is how dreams are able to reveal themselves Ewan, how so?
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Geo, nice to see you again
Paradise Tennant: welcome geo :)
Eden Haiku: Nice to meet you Geo
Geo Netizen bows to all
Paradise Tennant: we have been talking of dreams geo :) their magic and mystery :)
stevenaia Michinaga: do you dream often Geo
Geo Netizen: An excellent and most interesting topics
Geo Netizen: I do dream often
Ewan Bonham: Science says we dream daily but we don't remember most of them.
stevenaia Michinaga: I used to nap and dream in short 20 minute naps
Ewan Bonham: Or maybe it is not the time to remember those particular ones.
Geo Netizen: Yes, I think we can train ourselves to remember our dreams
Eden Haiku: When writing dreams down years ago, I could remember 3, 4 or 5 of them .
stevenaia Michinaga: my office associate was amazed I could lay down and sleep just like that, let alone dream
Geo Netizen: yet we do often are forgetful
Geo Netizen nods
druth Vlodovic: I've heard that recording dreams actually alters the types of dreams we have
Ewan Bonham: There is a time for all awareness.
stevenaia Michinaga: how would you know?
Geo Netizen: To record when we first awake helps us to remember
Geo Netizen: Now is the time for awareness :)
druth Vlodovic: they tracked the dreams of a bunch of people over time, as they got better at remembering and recording they reported that they had altered over time, it was part of an experiment of some type,
Paradise Tennant: sometimes the sense of deja vue makes me think I may have dreamed it first
Paradise Tennant: they were more in control of their dreaming experience ?
Ewan Bonham: I have read that study and others like it. It helped folks to integrate parts of themselves
Geo Netizen: Yes Paradise, I remember that study and it is true that, with practice, one can influence their dreams
druth Vlodovic: well, you can learn control, but it's hard to let go again if you do it too much
Geo Netizen: Which just makes the topic that much more complex
Ewan Bonham: Integration is a bit different to me than control. Integration can give me freedom.
Geo Netizen: Welcome back Stevenaia
druth Vlodovic: what is integration?
stevenaia Michinaga: Cal just returned, Geo
Calvino Rabeni: Integration is the parts working together
Geo Netizen: ahhh .... :)
Ewan Bonham: oh, integration means putting pieces together that may have fallen apart. it is like taking awareness and sewing it back into the fabric of our personality.
Calvino Rabeni: Like a jazz combo
Ewan Bonham: :)
Paradise Tennant: I have a proposal :)
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
Paradise Tennant: watching stephen hawking documentary tonight ..
Geo Netizen nods
Ewan Bonham: Yes
Paradise Tennant: they mentioned the only radio signal from outer space ever recorded in 40 years was
Paradise Tennant: 6EQUJ5
Paradise Tennant: a set of six letters and numbers
stevenaia Michinaga: Hello Rrose
Paradise Tennant: why do we not dream on what that message might mean :)
Paradise Tennant: big smile
Ewan Bonham: Hmmm..what might that mean?
Calvino Rabeni: I think there was a warrant out for that license plate :)
--BELL--
Rrose Millar: Hi!
Paradise Tennant: hiya rrose
Paradise Tennant: lol @ cal
stevenaia Michinaga: have you been here before Rrose?
Eden Haiku: I am Eden's alt Steve.
Rrose Millar: See, I did not type on the laptop...
stevenaia Michinaga: lol
Calvino Rabeni: well that about sums it up Eden :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles
stevenaia Michinaga: I thought your profile looked familiar
Eden Haiku: :))
Rrose Millar: ;))
druth Vlodovic: oh say, isn't this what we were talking about earlier?
druth Vlodovic: «There is another reality, beyond what we see with our eyes. You have to feel your way into that reality with your heart, There is no other way» Gregory David Roberts in «Shantaram»
Eden Haiku: Such a great book, so profound!
stevenaia Michinaga: nicely put
Geo Netizen: Dreams are not attempts to conceal your true feelings from the waking mind, but rather they are a window to your unconscious.
Rrose Millar: I agree:)
Ewan Bonham: Hmm...I am a believer in that, Drutgh
Ewan Bonham: I mean Druth
druth Vlodovic: :) it's from RRose's profile
Eden Haiku: Really? I completely forgot...
Ewan Bonham: We can see with our hearts better than with our eyes.
druth Vlodovic: we mentioned how something wholly unfamiliar might be difficult to perceive
Rrose Millar: No wonder I agree then :)
Ewan Bonham: Yes, part of my journey is to discover how to perceive much of that as very familiar...universal.
Geo Netizen: But perception is so prone to misperceptions
Paradise Tennant: watches the dawn rise in our other world :)
Geo Netizen smiles at the perception
Calvino Rabeni: The job of perception is to come up with a reasonably plausible story and then stick with it
Ewan Bonham: Lol- but sticking with it may keep us in the 'mud' of judgment
Calvino Rabeni: We're the lotus, live in the mud
Geo Netizen: Tis true that perceptions that increase survival value get propagated.
--BELL--
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: omg I'm so sorry
Geo Netizen bows
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: I wish you could have put an invisi-prim box around me
Eden Haiku: Ah, it is quite a relief to see you seated I must say Zxxxxx ;)
Paradise Tennant: hiya zxxxxx welcome
Ewan Bonham: Hello Zxxxx
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: "Well, I guess I can start my lecture now"
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: :/
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: I don't know how to apologize for that! :)
stevenaia Michinaga: we re-arranges around you, no problem
Geo Netizen: Tis a quirk of SL that we all suffer from periodically
Eden Haiku: An act I'm going to follow, bye everyone!
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: "The first thing I would say is that I have made many mistakes -- most of what I have done have been mistakes." -- written to me by a master in a dream
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Eden
Rrose Millar: It is late, I will wish you all sweet dreams!
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: Oh, you could have actually pushed me to the side
Paradise Tennant: nite nite eden :)
Paradise Tennant: thanks for coming :)
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: G'night Eden, nice seeing you again
Geo Netizen bows
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: can any of you rezz here?
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
Geo Netizen bows to Rrose
Geo Netizen: I am able to rez
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: so yeah, that idea would work -- you could just push me with your bodies, all friendly-like, out of the way
Paradise Tennant: smiles we were rather thinking of eliminating the pool so you did get your feet too wet :)
stevenaia Michinaga: it would be unfulfilling contact
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: or, easier, rez a larger prim which would be easier to push, and to push me
Paradise Tennant: welcome narita :)
Geo Netizen nods to Nanita
Paradise Tennant: have you been here before :)
Narita Rayna: hiya :)
Ewan Bonham: I am grateful for you all and for the time we have spent.
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: Hi Narita :)
Paradise Tennant: here is a notecard
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: Don't tell them I invited you -- I just suffered an embarrassing "moment" here and don't want to relate the two of us out of respect for you.
Narita Rayna: LOL oh lord
Paradise Tennant: the conversations are recorded on a wiki site are you ok with that
Paradise Tennant: smiles at ewan :)
Paradise Tennant: thank you :)
Narita Rayna: sorry kids I got to get back to work - have a great night :D
Paradise Tennant: and you :)
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: Bye Narita :)
Paradise Tennant: sigh I should scoot too . really quite late in this little corner of the globe ..thanks so much everyone for sharing your thoughts .. your time .. :)
druth Vlodovic: I'm off too, I look forward to seeing what I missed earlier :)
Geo Netizen bows to all departures
Paradise Tennant: we covered a lot of ground going to be tricky coming up with a title :)
stevenaia Michinaga: Night Paradise
Calvino Rabeni: And I have a cooking task - thanks all and have a good day :)
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Calvino
Paradise Tennant: good nite all :)
Geo Netizen: Lets see, Zxxxxx finds a seat and everyone leaves .... hummmm .... :)
Geo Netizen: just joking :)
stevenaia Michinaga: we were hoping you wouldn't sit, now you know why
Geo Netizen chuckles
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: I'm sorry
stevenaia Michinaga: no need to apologize
stevenaia Michinaga: the conversation continues
Geo Netizen: And that conversation is …. ?
stevenaia Michinaga: whatever arises
stevenaia Michinaga: but I was referring to earlier when Zxxxxx was standing there
stevenaia Michinaga: for the 1st 90 minutes
stevenaia Michinaga: in the fountain
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: How do you recognize what is an important issue to involve yourself in this life?
stevenaia Michinaga: did you agree to have your comments and name in our log, Zxxxxx?
Calvino Rabeni: Judgment, conscience?
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: What if it's asked of you and you forget, or are unsure
Geo Netizen: We all dream. Every night - as we dim the light of consciousness - we enter the realm of the dream. In this dream state our imagination runs free with little or no interference from our conscious mind. In the morning, when we wake and return to consciousness, we may bring with us a recollection of the wanderings of our imagination - we remember the dream. To dream is natural, it is a universal experience. All people of all cultures enter into this dream state when they sleep. As sleep research has shown even animals dream. How we regard the dream, however, varies from culture to culture and from person to person. Unfortunately most of us remain unaware of our dreams. We fail to remember them. Even if we do remember a dream it is typically dismissed as meaningless and unimportant. For those of us who do place an importance on the dream it still remains a mystery. So what is a dream?
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: stevenaia is it placed on the web?
--BELL--
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, if you request we can dis-associate your name
stevenaia Michinaga: where is that from Goe?
stevenaia Michinaga: Geo
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: Today was possibly a bad day to publically reveal those comments -- yet stripping out just the earlier portions of my name is too much to ask, perhaps?
Geo Netizen: Something from Jung which I thought might relate to what was on tap when I arrived.
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: I consider what I present of value, and with responsibility -- purposeful. Just like I do not write any material and publish it.
stevenaia Michinaga: I will talk to Paradise who posts the log to out Wiki
stevenaia Michinaga: our
Geo Netizen seems to be a little behind the curve here
stevenaia Michinaga: not at all Geo
stevenaia Michinaga: Zxxxx, what did you mean by: [20:44] Zxxxxx Xxxxx: What if it's asked of you and you forget, or are unsure
stevenaia Michinaga: how do you recognize what is an important issue to involve yourself in this life?
stevenaia Michinaga: do you ever forget what is important to yourself?
stevenaia Michinaga: Calvino, can you change the notice of recording so the wiki address is updated?
stevenaia Michinaga: when the 90 sec notice is posted
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: I mean, when I was young I could develop and interest and pursue it. I don't know how this was possible but it was.
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: And I still see people do this -- and it fascinates me. Now I have so many interests and wishes about important things, but I do not know their true value, nor what is truly for me to do.
Geo Netizen: I am called elsewhere … pax et bonum ….
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: Isn't it possible to do something you think is good, but it has severe consequences?
Geo Netizen bows deeply
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Geo
stevenaia Michinaga: thx for joining us
Calvino Rabeni: @Steve, you can ask wol to change that notice
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
Calvino Rabeni: take care, Geo
Zxxxxx Xxxxx: afk
stevenaia Michinaga: something insignificant to one person can be good, bad or severe to another
stevenaia Michinaga: or significant
Calvino Rabeni: It's no doubt important to keep up the relative fiction of knowing what is going on and being able to predict what may happen
stevenaia Michinaga: getting late here, see you again soon, Cal
Calvino Rabeni: that would be good, Stevenaia
--BELL--
Calvino Rabeni: I'll go back to my meal preparation
Calvino Rabeni: good to meet you Zxxxxx
Calvino Rabeni: bye for now