2010.06.30 13:00 - Aspect of Self Through Avatar

The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey fef
Yakuzza Lethecus: how are you today ?
Fefonz Quan: hey yaku
Fefonz Quan: very good, and you?
Yakuzza Lethecus: i try to keep myself distracted
Yakuzza Lethecus: nothing serious :)
Fefonz Quan: distracted from what?
Yakuzza Lethecus: different issues, my approach to second life and how i can find contacts i can elaborate upon further
Yakuzza Lethecus: then a contact who isn´t comming online for 3-4 days
Fefonz Quan: i didn't understand the answer, but never mind
Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: so what are your latest thoughts concerning ur use of secondlife/kira/pab ?
Fefonz Quan: I like being at pab, i wish i could be here more, the busy RL live doesn't leave me much time
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello crusty
Fefonz Quan: hello crusty\
Crusty Goldshark: hi guys
Yakuzza Lethecus: crusty ur mic is on
Yakuzza Lethecus: at least it was for a short while
Yakuzza Lethecus: nvm
Fefonz Quan: wht was for a short while?
Crusty Goldshark: what is nvm?
Yakuzza Lethecus: nevermind, but there it was again
Yakuzza Lethecus: can you stop ur mic propably ? anyway nice to see you again
Crusty Goldshark: should be off now
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey cal
Fefonz Quan: hey calvino
Crusty Goldshark: hey calvino
Calvino Rabeni: Hello everyone !
Crusty Goldshark: :)
Fefonz Quan: hello Zaldaan
Zaldaan Sirnah: Hello as in, "Peace!"?
Fefonz Quan: well i guess :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello zaldaan
Zaldaan Sirnah: Well, I hope you're day is going well so far
Zaldaan Sirnah: I guess
Zaldaan Sirnah: :)
Calvino Rabeni: Thanks, Zal. Here we are again :) And what shall we do with this irreplacable resource of Time ?
--BELL--
Zaldaan Sirnah: We should be quiet and make proper use of our time here. :)
Fefonz Quan: hello sartre
Fefonz Quan: i guess you've been here before, haven't you?
Sartre Placebo: yaku here
Sartre Placebo: pil island got a discussion on kierkegaard
Sartre Placebo: but i only got age verification on yakuzza
Calvino Rabeni: sartre, I know you and yaku have attended many philosophy discussions in SL
Fefonz Quan: ok good to see youy then :)
Calvino Rabeni: I wonder if you can help me appreciate their value a bit more than I do
Sartre Placebo: the value of the discussions ?
Calvino Rabeni: as the ones I have attended - I'm not really sure why I would go to them
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, the discussions are not very easy to learn from, for me
Calvino Rabeni: and I think, mainly arguments, if you know what I mean
Sartre Placebo: actually, you see the ppl whom are able to discuss the topics and you see those who can´t
Calvino Rabeni: and not too good at sticking to the topic :)
Sartre Placebo: i consider myself not able to discuss those philosophical topics well
Calvino Rabeni: - enough said I hope, since I don't like to criticize
Fefonz Quan: argument can be useful, if done with good manners
Sartre Placebo: but there are some ppl i often find whom i could ask something sometimes
Calvino Rabeni: Maybe, Fef, but I haven't seen it happen much
Fefonz Quan: i can speak from recent experience, haven't spent much time here lately.
Fefonz Quan: but whta i remember from the past, when profound topics where discussed, concerning the practice and viewponts we see here, it was very interesting
Fefonz Quan: surely it needs some focus on the topic, not just chit chat around.
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I often find it interesting in PAB, but haven't much enjoyed the philosophy groups in SL
Fefonz Quan: ah, i see.
Sartre Placebo: they ain´t professional philosophy, of course not cal
Calvino Rabeni: so that is what I was asking about - e.g. discussing kirkegaard, or kohlberg
Sartre Placebo: but for example www.thephilosophyclass.blogspot.com is really great
Sartre Placebo: but herman is doing a summerbreak now
Calvino Rabeni: Do you, make use of muting, to filter out the ones who go off topic and and engage in flame bait?
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, there are some good philosophy blogs on the net, I've found
Calvino Rabeni: I'm just not sure the value of the discussion formats in SL
Fefonz Quan: I've never used it, neither i remember seenig someone else do it. maybe once.
Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
Calvino Rabeni: I was going to ask Rhi - for example - "why is it you do this?"
Zaldaan Sirnah: Blue :)
Sartre Placebo: hey bleu :)
Fefonz Quan: hey bleu!
Calvino Rabeni: And I admire her snappy mind and ability to somewhat handle the chaos of such groups
--BELL--
Sartre Placebo: actually, rhi is extremly controversial and there is a lot of gossiping about her around
Calvino Rabeni: :) that's surely true also :)
Fefonz Quan: friends, i will have to leave, it's late here and i am really tired. take care, and have a good night/evening.
Bleu Oleander: nite Fefonz
Calvino Rabeni: Bye :)
Fefonz Quan: night all _/!\_
Sartre Placebo: night fef
Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
Zaldaan Sirnah: whatever that symbol is, I believe I'm seeing it wrong.
Sartre Placebo: namaste
Calvino Rabeni: You're right, there is a "side show" around Rhi
Wol Euler: hello cal, zaldaan, sartre, bleu
Sartre Placebo: hey wol :)
Bleu Oleander: hey Wol
Wol Euler: side show of what?
Calvino Rabeni: Good evening, Qt
Qt Core: hi all
Sartre Placebo: hey qt
Wol Euler: hello qt
Sartre Placebo: of the character rhiannon around philosophy island
Wol Euler: ah
Wol Euler will wait to read the log :)
Calvino Rabeni: Well, there gets to be a kind of Fight Club quality to it
Sartre Placebo: if it´s a guy called scott or other disruptive behavior and alike... many uncertain things
Sartre Placebo: yeah
Calvino Rabeni: and maybe that attracts people
Sartre Placebo: actually when i am interested into philosophy itself i look to itunesU and other lectures
Calvino Rabeni: "philosophy smackdown!"
Sartre Placebo: secondlife provides the option to fine sometimes ppl to talk to
Sartre Placebo: it´s good to have those on the fiendshiplist
Calvino Rabeni: I agree, and there are some good youtube collections with real philosophers too
Sartre Placebo: nods
Sartre Placebo: even some 70th 80th recordings are still great
Calvino Rabeni: True, Sartre, you can find good dialogue friends in those groups sometimes
Calvino Rabeni: But I start to feel guilty
Calvino Rabeni: When young, I thought I'd live forever :)
Calvino Rabeni: Now it seems, time becomes more and more valuable
Calvino Rabeni: (not to exaggerate, but you know that spiritual metaphor of death being over ones shoudler)
Sartre Placebo: i often have a rough time to communicate the things i am percieving and thinking about
Sartre Placebo: i don´t believe that i think in lanuguage and pab for example also is partly a process to verbalize issues of daily routines
Sartre Placebo: to find a common vocabulary, of course dropping, appreaciate the presence of apprearances as presentation of being and alike
--BELL--
Calvino Rabeni: The huge majority of experiences are simply unexpressible - I think it's something to get accustomed to, because we can't struggle to be more articulate and eventually succeed at that struggle
Wol Euler: hello lucis, have you been here before?
Lucis Raynier: yes
Lucis Raynier: hi all
Wol Euler: ok, just checking :)
Calvino Rabeni: Hello Lucis
Bleu Oleander: hi Lucis
Qt Core: hi Lucis
Lucis Raynier: hi Bleu
Lucis Raynier: hi Qt
Sartre Placebo: hey lucis
Lucis Raynier: hey Sartre
Calvino Rabeni: hehe, that avatar Lucis, the snake represents Ego ?
Calvino Rabeni: Just kidding, but it could make a good metaphor
Wol Euler: indeed.
Wol Euler: very different to the cobra that protected the Buddha :)
Lucis Raynier: meep
Wol Euler: (if I remember that story/image rightly)
Calvino Rabeni: Sometimes it seems like - every human has one of those things wrapped around him / herself, but pretending it isn't actully there
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: at laest one :)
Calvino Rabeni: Oh, at *least* :)
Lucis Raynier: in RL I feellike this
Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni imagines a Theme Session - "Wear a Serpent to PAB Day"
Wol Euler: sorry to hear it, lucis; but good that you are aware of it
Calvino Rabeni: So that image can be a good illustration for a feeling - making it clearer perhaps
Wol Euler nods.
Calvino Rabeni: Wol understands this well, I guessed
Wol Euler: that could be a PaB-Art project :)
Sartre Placebo: sleep well everyone
Wol Euler: bye sartre, take care
Bleu Oleander: bye Sartre
Bleu Oleander: could :)
Calvino Rabeni: And happy contemplations :)
Lucis Raynier: bb Sartre
Wol Euler nods to Calvino. Expressing feelings through appearance
Bleu Oleander makes note for future project
Wol Euler grins
Lucis Raynier: I'm sorry my internet very slow
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, Bleu, I kind of like that possibility you might be thinking
Calvino Rabeni: how to express some aspect of self, through avatar
Calvino Rabeni: a kind of costume, to reveal more than conceal
Bleu Oleander: great ideas
Wol Euler: I'd thought of something similar as a workshop exercise
Bleu Oleander: maybe combo workshop/art project?
Wol Euler: to decorate a prim to represent yourself
Wol Euler: indeed, that would be good.
Wol Euler: cross-fertilization, or some such idea
Bleu Oleander: interdisciplinary?
Wol Euler: that too
Lucis Raynier: ethereal snake in RL i feel around my body
Qt Core: nice, i cou;d be bad in two fields at the same time ;-)
--BELL--
Lucis Raynier: please visit our esoterc bookshop in Moscow ))
Wol Euler: ah! I remember you now, yes :)
Wol Euler: I guess we are all imagining our prim representations
Wol Euler: *self-representations
Bleu Oleander: wheels turning :)
Calvino Rabeni: Ah, no, I was involved in a separate issue in IM
Wol Euler smiles. Me too actually.
Calvino Rabeni: It would be good to have some tutorials on avatars
Calvino Rabeni: I don't know the basics
Wol Euler nods. Let's add that to the workshop!
Calvino Rabeni: of what you can do to modify them
Wol Euler: there will definitely be sessions on the apperance editor
Wol Euler: and modifying worn prims
Calvino Rabeni: How does the box-bot avatar work?
Calvino Rabeni: Or, I saw one that looked like a Tea Tray
Wol Euler: and I'd like to put Bleu on the spot in public by inviting her to talk about making clothes from painted textures
Bleu Oleander: when is your workshop?
Calvino Rabeni: with food on it
Bleu Oleander: sure
Wol Euler: it'll be this summer, probably starting in september
Wol Euler: but have to clear this with Kira still.
Bleu Oleander: could do the art project during the workshop
Qt Core: a building workshop ?
Wol Euler: a "SL-ness of SL" workshop, on character and identity and appearance
Wol Euler: how they are created and displayed here
Wol Euler: and how they reinforce each other
Bleu Oleander: using that theme for the art project also?
Wol Euler: yes
Bleu Oleander: fun
Qt Core: so we can have an av rapresenting sl we instead being the other way around, interesting ;)
Wol Euler: that arose some months ago actually, when qt first wore a pure cube avatar
Wol Euler: I thought "if he put a Star Trek communicator badge on, everyone would know it was him"
Wol Euler: and then thought onwards
Qt Core: ;-)
Wol Euler: Fef: red top, blue bottom
Wol Euler: Yaku: fleshpink top, rest black
Wol Euler: me: black latex and lace
Wol Euler grinds
Wol Euler: *grins
Calvino Rabeni: :))
Calvino Rabeni: Slip of the day :)
Bleu Oleander: me?
Wol Euler: yep :)=
Wol Euler: well, you and very tricky because you change appearance all the time
Bleu Oleander: so easy in sl
Wol Euler: but are always very colourful and full of swirly semirandom patterns
Wol Euler: so that suggests a texture that could be primwrapped
Qt Core: and skinny and tall
--BELL--
Wol Euler: I've got it (bleu):
Wol Euler: a rubik's cube of your whaleshark-skin pattern in andy warhol colours :)
Bleu Oleander: i like it :)
Wol Euler grins.
Wol Euler: I think it's a great exercise
Wol Euler: but I can see that it might be intimidating to people who aren't comfortable with building or texturing
Bleu Oleander: well we can work through the next art project first
Wol Euler: so we might do htat one fairly late int he process, after people have had successful experiences doing other simpler exercises
Bleu Oleander: which is basic building adding textures
Wol Euler: yep
Wol Euler: and yes, cal, we could certainly do tutorials about htat
Bleu Oleander: the "Being Puzzled" project
Calvino Rabeni: I think, there were tech barriers to participation in the previous Art events
Bleu Oleander: everyone was/is encouraged to work together and/or ask for help
Calvino Rabeni: tutorials are not necessarily fun to produce, but they are helpful
Wol Euler nods.
Calvino Rabeni: Sure, but you know how that goes
Bleu Oleander: I helped a few
Bleu Oleander: Storm did too
Calvino Rabeni: People don't like to ask, don't know what to ask, etc. for as much help as they could use
Bleu Oleander: so maybe we should have a quick how-to session at the start of each project for those that would like it
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: good idea
Wol Euler: true, cal, and yet this (SL) is one of the most concentratedly helpful and generous-with-time-and-knowledge places in the universe!
Bleu Oleander: you can get some great effects using simple techniques
Wol Euler: wb lucis
Zaldaan Sirnah: Except for Planet Generosity.
Lucis Raynier: what mean wb?
Qt Core: welcome back
Lucis Raynier: ok ty
Wol Euler: execpt for Planet Generosity, yes :)
Qt Core: what is Planet Generosity ?
Bleu Oleander: gtg .... fun ideas for the workshop/art project ... bfn :)
Wol Euler: SL residents are very much more helpful than is typical in other/older Internet communities
Qt Core: bye Bleu
Wol Euler: bye bleu, take care
Lucis Raynier: bb bleu
Qt Core: just thinking about people wandering in rl asking how to build a 3 storey house "by hand" ... and people giving answers too! :-)
Wol Euler: try it, qt, it works.
--BELL--
Wol Euler: you'd be directed very quickly to the Ivory Tower of Prims, a kind of 3d built tutorial on primbuilding
Qt Core: (i told rl)
Wol Euler is blind, and apologises profusely.
Wol Euler: it wouldn't work so well in RL, that is very true
Qt Core: i think i have my default landing place (i have no real home) a few hundred meters from that tower
Lucis Raynier: nice to see you all/ I need to go in RL with my snake :)
Wol Euler: :)
Qt Core: have fun, bye
Wol Euler: take care, lucis.
Wol Euler: in addition to everything else it is, SL is a concentrator of nice people, it brings them together and rewards them for being nice to each other
Wol Euler: whereas much of RL seems to be a zero-sum game
Wol Euler: where I can only win what you lose
Qt Core: like, but at a higher level, all place/situation you choose to be in and have to work to be in
Qt Core: the fun thing (just got this now may be wrong) is that in most of the other situations people have a goal in common here people have many different goals
Wol Euler considers.
Wol Euler: so we don't compete here, you mean?
Wol Euler: that could be true, yes.
Wol Euler: and there is definitely no shortage of material resources here
Qt Core: yes and no
Qt Core: i wasn't thinking about competing but about having different goal
Qt Core: people seeking friendly or romantic relationship, just wasting time, doing whichever kind of rpg, having fun becoming a famous stylist ot architect
Wol Euler: ah, right, yes.
Qt Core: talking about being or just books
Qt Core: speaking about books... yesterday i finished Infinite Jest (i toke it slow)... wanted to burn it at the (non) end
Wol Euler: ha!
Wol Euler: yes, my reaction too
Calvino Rabeni: OI
Wol Euler: I'll be curious to talk to you about it in another three or four months :)
Wol Euler: what did you think?
Calvino Rabeni: I tried it, thanks but no thanks :)
Zaldaan Sirnah: brb
Qt Core: not sure yet, maybe i have to let it settle down a couple day (i'm mostly sad about Pemulis and want to know about DOn and Hal
Wol Euler nods
Wol Euler: I loved it. It really spoke to me.
Wol Euler: and the ending was odd and very irritating
Calvino Rabeni: How did it speak to you Wol?
Wol Euler: but then I thought: Doyou really think that someone as careful and controlled and thoughtful as DFW would let this happen by accident?
Wol Euler: no
Wol Euler: so it must have been an intention. SO what does it mean?
Calvino Rabeni: Passive aggressive author?
Wol Euler: heheheheh
--BELL--
Qt Core: that life don't have closed ends ? or just not live happy after
Wol Euler: DFW wrote so well about ordinariness, about normal life and dull daily things, in the setting of this novel about very extraordinary peop.
Wol Euler: people
Wol Euler: the chapter about the AA meeting was so good, I went back and read it again before continuing
Wol Euler: and ever since then I see addiction and support groups in a different light
Qt Core: yes, alll the Gately subplot was good
Wol Euler: oh yes
Wol Euler: and Madame Psychosis!"
Wol Euler: I so desperately want to listen to her radio program
Qt Core: i liked that in the end it (almost) tied all the plots (made me a little angry in the beginning)
Qt Core: :-)
Qt Core: we may have to ask to the GOC to put a spoilerr before this part of the session ;-)
Wol Euler: yes, you're right. Big red spoiler alert needed
Qt Core: my edition had a lot of notes (over 300) in the end wit some pieces several pages long additions (not in previous edition i think)
Qt Core: most of them were a fast corse in narcoleptics and general drug use
Wol Euler: ah, yes, the dozen-page-long footnotes
Wol Euler: the footnotes with footnoes of their own :)
Wol Euler: I read it with two bookmarks :)
Qt Core: yes, i like real footnotes much more (especlialy Pratchett's ones)
Qt Core: (i just switched one there and here
Qt Core: haven't yet choosen the next book
Wol Euler: what are you reading now?
Qt Core: nothing, haven't choose yet
Wol Euler: what?
Wol Euler: do you really mean "nothing"?
Wol Euler: how can you read *nothing*?
Calvino Rabeni: If you're asking me, it's "A Year With Rilke"
Qt Core: ended a book yesterday night have to choose another before going to bed
Wol Euler: ah, ok :)
Calvino Rabeni: some day perhaps a Literati will initiate me into the joys of the Novel
Qt Core: is there a Novel titled book ?
Qt Core: qite original...
Wol Euler: I'm trying to think of whether I know any website to recommend to you, Cal, but all the ones I can think of right now are full of spoilers
Wol Euler: I read it last summer, because a blogging buddy of mine was co-initiatrix of a web project thingy called "infinite summer"
--BELL--
Wol Euler: to read the whole damned book in the course of summer holiday 2009
Qt Core: time to go choosing a book ;-)
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: goodnight qt, choose wisely
Wol Euler: wb zaldaan
Qt Core: bye all, have fun and/or sleep well
Wol Euler: "a year with rilke", eh?
Zaldaan Sirnah: wb respectively
Calvino Rabeni: yes, it is a collection of short passages or poems
Calvino Rabeni: mostly selected with a kind of buddhist / mindfulness theme
Wol Euler: heh
Wol Euler: what a great secondary idea :)
Calvino Rabeni: A bit like one of those "daily meditation" books
Calvino Rabeni: A nice compilation, for people like me, too lazy to sift the originals :)
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: rilke was, how shall I put it, prolific.
Wol Euler: there is a lot of sifting to be done
Wol Euler: I like his poetry a lot, but I do sometimes wish he'd had an editor :)
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, thus the advantage of a collection such as this
Calvino Rabeni: Here's a quote, pertaining to questioning / not-knowing
Calvino Rabeni: "I want to ask you, as clearly as I can, to bear with patients all that is unresolved in your heart, and try to love the questions themselves, as if they were rooms yet to enter or books written in a foreign language. Don't dig for answers that can't be given you yet: you cannot live them now. For everything must be lived. Live the questions now, perhaps then, someday, you will gradually, without noticing, live into the answer."
Calvino Rabeni: *patience, not "patients"
Wol Euler nods thoughtfully
Calvino Rabeni: heheh
--BELL--
Wol Euler: APPPB: Appreciate the Presence of Poetry as a Presentaiton by Being
Calvino Rabeni: hmm, there's been a break in the cloud cover of this afternoon summer day
Calvino Rabeni: Carpe Sol
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: go for it.
Calvino Rabeni: Good evening, Wol / Zal
Wol Euler: let's call it a day, then. It's been long enough
Wol Euler: goodnight cal, enjoy the sun
Calvino Rabeni: T
Wol Euler: bye zaldaan, take care