2010.06.04 07:00 - A Question

 

The Guardian for this meeting was Eden Haiku. The comments are by Eden Haiku.

A very strong intuition

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Eden and Zaldaan :)

Eden Haiku: Hi Gaya how are you ?

Gaya Ethaniel: A bit sleepy :) You?

Eden Haiku: I'm good, thanks. I traded with Eliza who took my session Monday;)

Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)

Eden Haiku: As for Zaldaan, I think he is afk. He is most of the times...

Gaya Ethaniel: ah o

Gaya Ethaniel: k

Eden Haiku: So I covered him in poppies so he could float quietly...

 

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Sharon :)

Gaya Ethaniel: brb

Eden Haiku: I feel his afk presence is somewhat intimidating...Hi Sophia, the books in the pub are really great!

SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

Gaya Ethaniel: I'm at my computer most of the time today - something urgent to do. So this is my second PaB session today :)

Eden Haiku: he looks like a PaB spy…:))

Gaya Ethaniel: lol

Gaya Ethaniel: We used to have a beautiful library Moon built but it went when we had to downsize.

SophiaSharon Larnia: :) Gaya

Eden Haiku: Wow, Gaya, that is great! Welcome:))

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Eliza

Eden Haiku: Where was the the library Gaya?

Gaya Ethaniel: We had a good chat at 1 am too :)

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Eliza :)

Eden Haiku: More japanese than the Japeneses, here comes Eliza in her splendid kimono!!!

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon, Gaya, Eden, Zaldaan (nice to see you again)

Eden Haiku: The hairpiece is marvelous too!

Eliza Madrigal: What do you think Eden? Acceptable? :))

Eliza Madrigal: hehe, yes I chose this because it was colorful... but wow lots of accessories and such

Gaya Ethaniel: I have lots of kimono from when I attempted RP :)

Eden Haiku: And it looks very modern too!

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

Eliza Madrigal: Did you try one of the performances Gaya?

Gaya Ethaniel: I did a few performances yes, it was fun but too timeconsuming.

Eliza Madrigal: Oh, neat!! I'd thought about doing that but yes takes a bit of dedication

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

Eliza Madrigal: we're sitting oddly today

Eliza Madrigal: :))

Gaya Ethaniel invites Sharon to take a closer cushion :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: im ok

SophiaSharon Larnia: ty :))

Eden Haiku: Yes as Zaaldan is here only as a ghost, I figured it is better leaving him aside...

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: is he or is he listen Eden?

Eliza Madrigal: Ah, okay... no sense inviting him over then

Eliza Madrigal: heheh

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: any way is fine :)

Eden Haiku: I'm sure he is not listening.

SophiaSharon Larnia: what makes you sure ? :)

Eden Haiku: A very strong intuition .

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: ok

Eliza Madrigal: I keep trying to make him giggle with my funny faces but he doesn't flinch

SophiaSharon Larnia: :) Eliza

Gaya Ethaniel: I didn't see him at 1 am ... odd.

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Bleu :)

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Bleu

Eden Haiku: Hello Bleu

Bleu Oleander: hi everyone :)

 

--BELL--

 

Gaya brings a question

Gaya Ethaniel: Maybe I also ask you the same question that I brought up at 1 am.

Eden Haiku: Sure Gaya

Gaya Ethaniel: Can't quite remember exact words ...

Eden Haiku: listening

Gaya Ethaniel: Is it possible to live a life without views, frameworks etc.? We talked about how languages & words are pointers and how they come with a whole set of references, ie culture. People notice this more readily when speaking different languages as an example.

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Lucinda :)

Lucinda Lavender: good morning!

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lucinda :))

Bleu Oleander: hi Lucinda

Eden Haiku: Another question: what would be the point of a life without views and frameworks?

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Lucinda :)

Eden Haiku: Hi Lucinda.

Bleu Oleander: I was just going to ask that Eden :)

Eden Haiku: snap Bleu!

Gaya Ethaniel: Well I think the choice of view is important. I don't think getting rid of views, perspectives are the main point.

Bleu Oleander: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: my exploratory type answer to that would sound too 'out there' for most, so may just be quiet lol

Eliza Madrigal: haha, I like those answers... stretchy

Eden Haiku: Ah yes, that is very different. Wide angle you mean.

Gaya Ethaniel: I'm now doubly curious Sharon :)

Eliza Madrigal: :)))

Lucinda Lavender: me too...

Eden Haiku: Yes, Sharon?

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

Bleu Oleander: :)

Lucinda Lavender: :)

Eden Haiku: Pleaaaaase

SophiaSharon Larnia: i just think we are embodied for a reason, and a necessary part of being embodied in a physical sense depends on the compartmentalization of things, concepts/ views one of them

SophiaSharon Larnia: giggle

Gaya Ethaniel: I mean choice of view and awareness as one walks with it/them so to speak.

Eliza Madrigal: makes a lot of sense! the 'reason' itself is a view, too?

Eden Haiku: Interesting point Sharon...makes sense to me;)

SophiaSharon Larnia: thinking Gaya

Gaya Ethaniel: I think seeing at any given point what/how one embodies takes some practice :)

Eliza Madrigal: I was noticing the other day that when I consider time, when I look at things, then 'reason' sort of naturally appears.. puts things in a sort of order...

Eden Haiku: Can you give an example Eliza?

SophiaSharon Larnia: :) reason as in rational?

Lucinda Lavender: I like the distinction between choice of view and sort of operating system...

SophiaSharon Larnia: (just reread what i wrote and it all could be false)

Priorities and angles

 

Eliza Madrigal: tricky... yes... like the 'priorities' I make show something about my own make-up and sense of what 'life' is

Eliza Madrigal nods @ Lucinda

Gaya Ethaniel: find this relevant - At seventy, I could follow my heart's desire without transgressing what was right. -- Confucius

Eden Haiku: Ah, yes. Tell me what is on your to-do-list and I will tell you...

Lucinda Lavender: feel like there is an operating system and then the ideas I try on

SophiaSharon Larnia: some people do this by wearing rose colored glasses,and others have a pessemistic view

Eliza Madrigal: what we are able to see is determined by how we see... in a sense....

Lucinda Lavender: :)

Gaya Ethaniel: I guess one would like to operate knowing what kind of glasses one is wearing :)

Lucinda Lavender: with consciousness

Gaya Ethaniel: And know that they are glasses and can be taken off.

Eliza Madrigal nods nods

Bleu Oleander: that doesn't always seem possible, but it's a valid exercise I think Gaya

Lucinda Lavender: :)

Gaya Ethaniel: What would make it impossible Bleu? Any examples?

Eliza Madrigal: yes, it seems things, including views, are only 'healthy' in a way, if we are able to drop them

Lucinda Lavender: what about the earth...do you think it has consciousness?

Eliza Madrigal: or at least suspend them :)

Bleu Oleander: the glasses we all wear unconsciously

Gaya Ethaniel: It is possible to see them more.

Eliza Madrigal: I do think of the earth as a living organism

Bleu Oleander: sure, but hard to reach everything

--BELL--

Bleu Oleander: sry need to leave .... RL appts get in the way :) bye all

SophiaSharon Larnia: i went to a horse show yesterday, and my view rotated from seeing what was in front of me (the usual), and then imagining that all the matter was unified and the objects that i saw was like temporary risen images, hard to explain.... but that is like taking some of glasses and switching them back and forth :)

Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Bleu :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Bleu!

Lucinda Lavender: thinking about metaphors...bye Bleu!

Eden Haiku: Bye Bleu :)

Lucinda Lavender: ummmm

Gaya Ethaniel: I'm not suggesting that one should try to catch everything, oneself all the time. I think this is why intention and commitment are important and perhaps why one practices.

SophiaSharon Larnia: nods

Lucinda Lavender: remembering?

Gaya Ethaniel: I know what you mean Sharon. It's quite interesting to see same scenery with different camera lense or filters.

SophiaSharon Larnia: :0

SophiaSharon Larnia: oops i meant :)

Eliza Madrigal: I like the way you describe that Sharon. I remember a time when I wouldn't think it possible to see a single thing, AND a context, etc. all at once...

Gaya Ethaniel: My experience is I can't quite see a context except to see a pointer.

SophiaSharon Larnia: i try not to interprete

Eliza Madrigal: I think this is an interesting angle, or many angles... like 'types of concentrations'

Gaya Ethaniel: Recognising a pointer feels instantaneous as the appearance of its whole context.

Eliza Madrigal: mmm, thinking

Gaya Ethaniel: Except perhaps I can say between waking/sleeping. Things are in slow motion in those periods.

Eliza Madrigal: intentions and time seem married ... thinking of Eden's to-do list question

Eden Haiku: :)

Eden Haiku: What is the first item on your to do list today Eliza :)?

Eden Haiku: Then I will tell you who you are :)

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

Eliza Madrigal: Ah, well that was hours ago! It was to get my son ready for his dance today... had to blowdry his hair and find his nice pants

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Lucinda Lavender: :)

Eden Haiku: You are a loving mother ;)

SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles

Gaya Ethaniel: I think it's interesting to see what arranges the list.

Gaya Ethaniel: That tells alot.

Gaya Ethaniel: Arrange as in making it into a priority list.

Eliza Madrigal: Hm, however... I did wake and linger.... letting first thoughts come to the surface, before that....

Eliza Madrigal: so there was a hidden priority of sorts, too

Lucinda Lavender: Lucinda had to finish a dream, then feed the chickens

Eden Haiku: Ah yes, that is the most important part: first thoughts...

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

Eliza Madrigal: Its nice when what we intend and what we naturally do, agree

Eden Haiku: What does arrange your to do lists Gaya?

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Yaku :)

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya :))

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Yaku :)

Lucinda Lavender: HI Y

Eden Haiku: Hey Yakuzza!

Eliza Madrigal loves picturing Lucinda out with the chickens in the morning :)

Eliza Madrigal: (at least I hope they are out?hehe)

 

Don't waste life, sing, dream, karaoke: "I did it my way!", burn a CD for fundraising and go on  a tour bus!

Gaya Ethaniel: Probably 'don't waste life', 'just do it' sort of things .... :)

Lucinda Lavender: The rainsoaked yard...for them.

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

Eliza Madrigal: So many little phrases we grew up with and took for granted like 'first things first'...

Eden Haiku: But then what is "wasting life" view?

Gaya Ethaniel: I consider I'm wasting life if I'm spending too much time away from now.

Eden Haiku: ok

Lucinda Lavender: Lucinda is wondering if wasting life is somehow a giving up or surrendering

Gaya Ethaniel: It's important for planning sometimes but thinking too much about past or future tends to be wasteful for me.

Lucinda Lavender: Yes

Gaya Ethaniel: Yes not living ... one misses a lot of life that way.

Yakuzza Lethecus: nods

Lucinda Lavender: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: nods

Eliza Madrigal: Is that why those first few moments into waking are important? like it sets the tone for the rest of the time?

Eden Haiku: Yes, I would think so Eliza.

Eden Haiku: Like a musical note...

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: :::::Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhh::::::

Lucinda Lavender: carring on into ones vertical stance the threads that connect us to the universe

Eden Haiku: loves Eliza's singing voice:::::Laaaaaaa::::::

Eliza Madrigal: ooh, a lovely image Lucinda

Lucinda Lavender: seeing the threads flowing off the body....as one walks away from the sleeping place

Eliza Madrigal giggles Eden

Gaya Ethaniel: I think it's more effective to set the tone during those moments than after getting up. I also find that often 'first things' do surface more cleary [simpler form] in those periods if given chance.

Yakuzza Lethecus: why singing voice, did you accidentally leave ur mic open ?

Eden Haiku: no, I was alluding to the visuals ::::Ahhhhh:::::

Gaya Ethaniel wonders if Eliza is chanting again :)

Lucinda Lavender: Ah!

Eliza Madrigal: I'm considering now, the 'slow motion' aspect of what you said Gaya.... hm.. does it seem that slowing down there is a kind of capacity which is appreciated... which hm... somehow fits more 'time' in a sense.. or quality of time...

Eden Haiku: But maybe we get a chance to hear her singing voice sometimes at your happy hour Yaku. Do you still do it?

Gaya Ethaniel: Interesting point Eliza ... hm ...

Yakuzza Lethecus: sure, but i won't be there this evening

SophiaSharon Larnia: time seems to me to move fast, but certainly slower than when I am dreaming

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Zen :)

Eliza Madrigal: we've talked about karaoke hour too... heheh

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Zen :)

Zen Arado: Hi all - sorry I'm so late

Eden Haiku: Oh, I'm not sure I will be back from the veterinary...

Yakuzza Lethecus: hi zen

Gaya Ethaniel: lol

Lucinda Lavender: I woke today from a dream in which I was taking clothes from a store without trying them on...just forgot to pay and then off to the glasses store to order new glasses!

SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles

Eliza Madrigal: glasses and view! :))

Gaya Ethaniel: Karaoke is a great alternative to films if it suits your temperament.

Lucinda Lavender: Yes!

Eden Haiku: Hello Zen.

Gaya Ethaniel thinks what is making Lucinda so excited to rush that way in her dream :)

Lucinda Lavender: the fact that here were many wearable items that cost very little...in part

Gaya Ethaniel: Probably a hot date :P

Eliza Madrigal: heheh

Eliza Madrigal wonders if next dream lucinda will be arrested....

Gaya Ethaniel: lol

Lucinda Lavender: :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: thinking of karaoke, i have a problem to "just be me" in a group of ppl so i have problems concentrating on "only singing" and fear what other ppl might think and screw up while being multitasking in a very nonconstructive way

Eden Haiku: we want to see the sequel!

Lucinda Lavender: the dream police are in side of my head...

Eliza Madrigal was waiting to be arrested in a dream the other night... felt very real

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Gaya Ethaniel: Don't worry and be happy Yaku :)

Eliza Madrigal: yes :)) Maybe that is exactly why we should do karaoke

Gaya Ethaniel: Hear hear sequel!

Eliza Madrigal: shed all embarrassment by just getting it over with... being as ridiculous as possible

Eliza Madrigal: :D

Gaya Ethaniel: Can you normally bring on a dream sequel afterwards?

Lucinda Lavender: :)))

Gaya Ethaniel: Straight after or the night after

Eden Haiku: Just talking is a lot of info already isn't it? I agree with Yaku, karaoke would be something else...

Zen Arado: 'I did it myyyyyyyyy way ' :)

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

Eden Haiku: Look who is singing what!

Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, i would love to be good in karaoke :)

Lucinda Lavender: Themes get dreamt...

Zen Arado: such an egoic song

Gaya Ethaniel: Well perhaps you should start doing more then Yaku :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs, yes Zen

Eliza Madrigal nods

Yakuzza Lethecus: i don't mind hearing singing voices, but as soon as i think about doing it i am already not at "singing itsef" i don't mind anyone doing karaoke even in the voice session which would also be fun

Zen Arado: happy hour karaoke Yaku?

SophiaSharon Larnia: pab karaoke? :)

Eliza Madrigal: there's a scene in a movie 'best friend's wedding' where he loves her more because her voice is so awful :)

Eden Haiku: better have it free form Yaku, if singing happens then it happens...no forced karaoke..

Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, but karaoke would be with eliza and gaya :)

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

Zen Arado: barber shop quartet?

Gaya Ethaniel: Me nah I'm not suited for that :P

Eden Haiku: barber shop quartet?

Eliza Madrigal: 'feel the fear and do it anyway'

Gaya Ethaniel: Seville? wow your standard is quite high Zen ...

Lucinda Lavender: As soon as I was in the glasses store I noticed it was had about 3 workers to help you but it was so busy for them with boxes and stuff that they could not really help you...

Zen Arado: :)

Eliza Madrigal: lots of symbolism there!

Lucinda Lavender: So I went home for tea with a friend that just showed up

Gaya Ethaniel nods.

Lucinda Lavender: I think so too

Zen Arado: more like' I dream of Jeannine with the light brown hair....

Gaya Ethaniel: But then one can't assume everything in the scene is symbolic :)

Eliza Madrigal thinking that karaoke would be fun in SL because we could have costumes

Zen Arado: Jeannie Sigh

Eliza Madrigal: true Gaya :)

Lucinda Lavender: :)

Eliza Madrigal: symbol-less nature of symbols

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

Eliza Madrigal: and cymbals

Gaya Ethaniel: I think Eliza wants to sing later Yaku :)

Gaya Ethaniel: Book her now before someone else does.

Eliza Madrigal giggles but won't be able to make it today... hehe

 

We start leaving

Eden Haiku: Sorry, I have to make a phone call to my friend in France. So I will leave but I will be taking the log and posting it Eliza :) Thanks for Monday and have a nice day all!

Eliza Madrigal: and needs many partners in crime

Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Eliza :)

Gaya Ethaniel: Eden*

Eliza Madrigal: Bye Eden! Thank you and nice to see you

Zen Arado: bye Eden :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eden :)

Lucinda Lavender: I wish I could sing vive la Jeanne la Jolie Jolie Jaeanne

Gaya Ethaniel: I have to get back too. Have a good day everyone!

Lucinda Lavender: it is in french on my concert this weekend.

SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Gaya

Zen Arado: bye Gaya

Eliza Madrigal: Bye Gaya :) Thanks for the nice topic

Lucinda Lavender: for Joan Of Arc

Lucinda Lavender: by Gaya....Nice to see you again

Zen Arado: sl is good cos you can have lyrics on screen

Eliza Madrigal googles

Lucinda Lavender: Berstein Piece

 

--BELL--

 

Lucinda Lavender: Bernsein

Lucinda Lavender: oops

Lucinda Lavender: The lark

Zen Arado: how about....'O Danny Boy.....

Zen Arado: you know it?

Eliza Madrigal: Ohhhh or we could come up with only songs that relate to 'Being'...heheh

Eliza Madrigal: then after, we could make CD for fundraising...

Eliza Madrigal: Zen sings zen

SophiaSharon Larnia: zen can be sung? what would that sound like

Eliza Madrigal: one hand clapping?

Eliza Madrigal: hm... but then comes a problem of labels

Zen Arado: 'Kanzeon namu butsu....

Eliza Madrigal: we're really going to need a tour bus soon

Lucinda Lavender: Tried to bring the link in but it was hard ...

Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Lucinda, I tried to look it up and found one guy... don't think it was the same

Eliza Madrigal: Ah, happy. Must go now though... had an appointment but wasn't prepared so must do some more first things :))

Lucinda Lavender: The Lark Bernstein -Soldier's Song

Zen Arado: bye Eliza

SophiaSharon Larnia: "I venerate the Buddha" is that the translation?

SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eliza

Lucinda Lavender: :) wonderful day of firsts...to all

Eliza Madrigal: :::waves::: thanks for a nice session, bye for now

Zen Arado: yes

SophiaSharon Larnia: bye bye

Lucinda Lavender: bye for now...

Zen Arado: bye Lucinda

SophiaSharon Larnia: i am afk, bye all, my avatar will be parked here for sec ^^

Zen Arado: bye Sharon

Zen Arado: I better go too

Zen Arado: bye

 

The return of the ghost

Zaldaan Sirnah: hi

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Zaldaan :)

Zaldaan Sirnah: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: we have had a sessions here, i assume you were afk :))

SophiaSharon Larnia: have you been here before?

SophiaSharon Larnia: oops the whisper was an accident

Zaldaan Sirnah: yes a few times now

Zaldaan Sirnah: If I don't leave my client in the area I will miss it completely

SophiaSharon Larnia: your groups are interesting, ive just started trying to consider the scientific aspect of reality, in addition to a mystic way i used to see things :) pab has helped there

SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i understand, did you know our sessions are logged? You can go back and read them, or come here and sit if you want :))

SophiaSharon Larnia: either way

SophiaSharon Larnia: (the above sentence sounded like i didn't consider it before, i meant consider it in a different way)

Yakuzza Lethecus: bfn

SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Yaku

--BELL--

SophiaSharon Larnia: looking forward to seeing you again :) I have to go myslef :)

Zaldaan Sirnah: :)