2012.03.05 13:00 - The bear hiding behind the chair

The Guardian for this meeting was Storm Nordwind. The comments are by Storm Nordwind.

A multi-colored introduction.

Storm Nordwind comes a little late to the pavilion, finds it empty, and claims the log
druth Vlodovic: yo
Storm Nordwind: Hello druth - that's a stunning avatar :)
druth Vlodovic: ty :)
druth Vlodovic: you're the first to notice lol
Storm Nordwind: Am I first to notice the discontinuity with the feet too? Or is that just my antiquated viewer? ;)
druth Vlodovic: lol, "flesh" coloured socks
Storm Nordwind chuckles
Storm Nordwind: Whose flesh, one wonders :)
druth Vlodovic: could be anyone's
Storm Nordwind: Anyway, in whatever form, it's a pleasure to see you here :)
druth Vlodovic: ty :)
druth Vlodovic: you're looking well yourself
--BELL--
Storm Nordwind: Thank you in return. :) Are there life experiences or realizations you'd like to share or discuss, or is chat or even silence acceptable? :)
druth Vlodovic: lol, i hope silence is acceptable to you, painting seems more acceptable to me than sitting quietly
druth Vlodovic: so much for priorities
Storm Nordwind: haha! That's fine. I'm a last minute step-in surrogate for this session anyway. :)
druth Vlodovic: ah I wondered when I saw three in-sim and none here
druth Vlodovic: appearance since the answer is usthanks for the help with the feet lol
Storm Nordwind: Well I could go an spread a little mist on my new pond, but I thought I'd sit here for a while
druth Vlodovic: grr, I have this silly thing that pulls up old conversations if I hit the arrow key
druth Vlodovic: have fun
Storm Nordwind: Ctrl-uparrow does that
Storm Nordwind waves
Storm Nordwind is alone again with the trickle of the fountain and the birds

It's all good.

Storm Nordwind: Hi there Wol!
Wol Euler: timezone-appropriate greetings, storm
Wol Euler: how's life?
Storm Nordwind looks at the clock... a pleasant late-evening to you then Wol!
Wol Euler: indeed :)
Wol Euler: this is what, teatime?
Wol Euler: 3:30ish
Storm Nordwind: 2:26pm
Storm Nordwind: Mountain time
Wol Euler: oh you are only 1 hr being pacific
Storm Nordwind: I'm in a strange and little heard of timezone
Wol Euler smiles.
Storm Nordwind: With strange and little heard of people ;-)
Wol Euler: ah :)
Storm Nordwind: What stunning revelations have thrust themselves into your life of late? :)
Wol Euler laughs.
Wol Euler: ah, my word
Storm Nordwind: That good huh?
Wol Euler: it's all good, for certain values of "good"
Wol Euler: revelations, you ask? don't know when I last had one of those
Storm Nordwind: I may have stepped in one once
Wol Euler: :)
--BELL--
Storm Nordwind: But I'm glad (a) you laugh and (b) it's all good

An exercise in checking hair.

Storm Nordwind notices that, due presumably to a conflict of viewers, Wol appears more like Servalan today ;-)
Wol Euler: had a veyr nice lunch today, vegetable curry with cashews
Storm Nordwind: yum
Wol Euler: should I rebake?
Wol Euler: or google Servalan?
Storm Nordwind: The latter is never a lost cause ;)
Wol Euler smiles.
Storm Nordwind: I see ruthed hair, but I assume it's because I run lean and mean here (for which read v1.23.5)
Wol Euler: hmmm, don't think it's mesh
Wol Euler: I believe it's just normal prims
Wol Euler: it is much shorter than my usual style
Storm Nordwind will bring in an alt on Firestorm 3 to test the difference
Wol Euler waits curiously
Storm Nordwind: A very slow exercise on this laptop. 2x v1 is slow anyway. This is crippling! :)
Wol Euler looks around curiously
Wol Euler: hello Jo
Jo Niles: Hello Wol :)
Jo Niles: I've sorry. I think I landed on Storm's head and knocked him out!
Wol Euler: heheeh
Wol Euler: he must be a norwegian blue
Jo Niles: He said you looked like someone he called Ruth, but I really don't think that's true for me
Wol Euler: glad to hear it :)
Wol Euler: odd, because this is just flexy, not mesh
Wol Euler: still, the gods of SL move in mysterious ways
Jo Niles: Well I shall slip away. A pleasure to meet you!
Wol Euler: hello matjaz
Wol Euler: likewise! dance well
Matjaz Rives: hey hey
Storm Nordwind: Hi Matjaz. I must have blacked out. What happened?
Matjaz Rives: I don't know, I just got here
Wol Euler: a vision fell from the skies, and landed on your head
Wol Euler: clearly a more substantial vision than most
Storm Nordwind: That explains the headache.
Wol Euler nods.

Lung capacity.

Wol Euler: what's new, matjaz?
Matjaz Rives: my lung capacity decresed
Matjaz Rives: somehow
Matjaz Rives: heh
--BELL--
Wol Euler: hello mick
Wol Euler: mat, you must be smoking too much
Storm Nordwind: Ah the fox - welcome :)
Matjaz Rives: I ain't smoking that's the thing
Matjaz Rives: but the thing is, it seems like my lung capacity increased 2 or 3 weeks ago
Mickorod Renard: Hi Folks
Matjaz Rives: and then it decreased slightly in the past 2 days, I think
Wol Euler: hmmmm

Asteroids and twisters.

Mickorod Renard: whats new?
Wol Euler: an asteriod that may crash into us in mid.april, if I remember rightly
Wol Euler: let me see if I can find that report again
Mickorod Renard: wow cool
Mickorod Renard: I saw a good one last night
Storm Nordwind: The one in the news?
Mickorod Renard: a long trailing redish one
Wol Euler: that might well have been it
Mickorod Renard: no, that was the day before I think
Storm Nordwind: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-17248959 ?
Wol Euler: it was predicted to pass very close to us, within the orbit of the GPS satellites
Mickorod Renard: that sounds great, we may get some google earth street plan on it then?
Wol Euler: heheheh
Zen Arado: Hi all
Storm Nordwind: I wonder what the directions would be to get there
Storm Nordwind: Hi Zen
Mickorod Renard: well, the footage I think must have been about the one the day before
Mickorod Renard: Hi Zen
Mickorod Renard: always reminds me of one that hit my car a few years ago
Wol Euler: oh, hello zen
Mickorod Renard: pema asked if I stopped to pick it up
Wol Euler: I was away trying to find something online
Mickorod Renard: but i was too worried I would cause an accident
Zen Arado: np :)
Wol Euler: :)
Mickorod Renard: its a great fun thought to think i was hit by an asteroid
Zen Arado: oh
Wol Euler: rather than some snotty kid from a nearby tower block
Wol Euler smiles.
Zen Arado: thought you hit an animal
Mickorod Renard: but i was in a nice new jaguar hire car,,and it put a dent on the radiator grill
Zen Arado: a brick
Storm Nordwind: People get hit by 4 inch hailstones here
Mickorod Renard: yes, so I heard
Mickorod Renard: did you get to see any twisters Storm?
Mickorod Renard: or span around a bit in your car?
Storm Nordwind: No not yet. Had the sirens go off though
Mickorod Renard: wow
Wol Euler: O.O
Storm Nordwind: The air is remarkably calm here. They think that 35mph is a strong wind. Except for a 250mph tornado that is

Human idiocy and equanimity.

Mickorod Renard: anyway, i doubt the asteroid thing is as bad a thing to worry about as much as the idea that the us and israel are gonna bomb Iran and syria
Wol Euler: agreed
Wol Euler: human idiocy is a far greater danger to us than spacejunk
Storm Nordwind: of course. It's always with us. Spacejunk is generally fly-by-night :)
Wol Euler smiles.
--BELL--
Mickorod Renard: the funny thing is, since getting more to grips with stuff like Equanamity, i dont really worry about these things, I guess it helps if one is content with what life one has already been gifted with
Mickorod Renard: oops
Wol Euler nods.
Zen Arado: plenty of internal things to worry about :)
Zen Arado: if you want to worry
Mickorod Renard: yes, like a grumbling empty tummy
Mickorod Renard: :)
Zen Arado: yeh qwe are lucky to have food
Mickorod Renard: and water, thats nice
Storm Nordwind: So far

Revolution.

Matjaz Rives: People say there's gonna be a revolution
Matjaz Rives: I say
Mickorod Renard: you have lots of water where you are Zen
Matjaz Rives: You've never had it so good
Zen Arado: yeh
Mickorod Renard: what sort of revolution are they talking about Mat?
Matjaz Rives: economic
Matjaz Rives: political
Matjaz Rives: things
Matjaz Rives: I hope there won't be anarchy
Matjaz Rives: that would be unfortunate
Mickorod Renard: well, something has to break soon
Matjaz Rives: nah man
Matjaz Rives: evolution is also revolution
Matjaz Rives: don't have to break down everything
Wol Euler excuses herself and slips quietly away. Goodnight, take care, be happy
Wol Euler: avoid asteriods
Storm Nordwind waves

Graves.

Matjaz Rives: In Libya some Islamists were destroying British graves
Mickorod Renard: they say that evolution is a mutation
Zen Arado: bye Wol
Matjaz Rives: From World War 2
Mickorod Renard: bye wol
Mickorod Renard: bye Wol
Zen Arado: twas always wars and revolutions
Zen Arado: they just get bigger
Zen Arado: deadlier
Matjaz Rives: I hope it's not degeneration
Mickorod Renard: any idea what the facination is about damaging the graves?
Matjaz Rives: they're just savages
Matjaz Rives: ungrateful
Matjaz Rives: from my limited perspective
Matjaz Rives: Britain saves them in WW2 and now they destroy their graves
Mickorod Renard: I was just wondering, its inevitable that others may have diferent opinions
Matjaz Rives: what is the rationale?
Storm Nordwind: Not many are old enough to remember WW2
Matjaz Rives: true
Mickorod Renard: I am uk but I guess I am most likely to here from the uk perspective
Zen Arado: not everyone was graeful for the british
Zen Arado: grateful

The traditional western way of life.

Mickorod Renard: I am finding it hard to think of a country that has benefitted from becoming independent from the uk, other than the odd country that adopted the traditional western way of life
Mickorod Renard: but i am ignorant
Storm Nordwind: India? Malaysia? USA?
Zen Arado: the USA should have remained British?
Matjaz Rives: SIngapore is an example of a well adapted state
Matjaz Rives: I think that was under British rule
Matjaz Rives: now they're better than Britain
Matjaz Rives: lolz
Mickorod Renard: I was including usa in one that adopted western way of life
Zen Arado: not sure what 'Western' way is exactly
Mickorod Renard: the extreams in ealth and poverty in india and so forth would make me exclude india
Storm Nordwind: Adopted may be too strong a word. Integrated or adapted maybe.
Matjaz Rives: India is developing well though
Storm Nordwind: Then you'd have to exclude the USA too!
Mickorod Renard: and much of india's success has been derived from brit left overs
--BELL--
Storm Nordwind: It would seem to me, as an outsider, that India's success is recent and homegrown despite old British rule, not because of it.
Mickorod Renard: I am sure you are right Storm
Storm Nordwind: Nevertheless, I still have to make my own curries here if I want a decent one! ;)

Chaos, corruption and greed.

Mickorod Renard: but I was thinking of the emergent chaos that is present or lurking in places like Africa
Storm Nordwind: What would you do about it?
Mickorod Renard: I have been told its mostly down to corruption
Storm Nordwind: And what is corruption mostly down to?
Mickorod Renard: maybe external influence by other foriegn powers too
Zen Arado: greed
Storm Nordwind: And greed is down to what?
Zen Arado: humans are an imperfect lot
Zen Arado: fear?
Mickorod Renard: well, there is greed and need
Mickorod Renard: yet another divide in peoples lot
Storm Nordwind: So if people somehow knew that their every need would be taken care of, greed would disappear? Or not?
Mickorod Renard: but some more stable administration would provide some stbility
Mickorod Renard: I think greed is a human thing
Mickorod Renard: I think I am not that greedy, but I know I am compared with many poorer peoples
Storm Nordwind: You mean it's impossible to be without greed unless one becomes inhuman?
Mickorod Renard: hold on, phone
Storm Nordwind holds on to the phone :)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Zen Arado: 'their every need'? they would invent new ones I think :)
Storm Nordwind: haha! Exactly so! :)
Storm Nordwind: Though some would not, I'm sure. What is the difference for those people i wonder.
Mickorod Renard: I am sure that if I was more entreprenurial, and succesful, i would be thirsty to make more and more money
Mickorod Renard: but i am not, so I settle with less
Storm Nordwind: If you settle for less, how do you ever get chance to find out whether you could be a successful entrepreneur?
Mickorod Renard: exactly, a bit of a conundrum..egg chicken and so on
Storm Nordwind nods and smiles

Salaries.

Zen Arado: I wonder if we were all contented with our lot would everything stagnate
Mickorod Renard: maybe I am lazy
Zen Arado: would we be too passive?
Storm Nordwind: Not necessarily Zen. You can be completely happy and content and still push material discoveries and science on further.
Zen Arado: but greed pushes business?
Mickorod Renard: I justify my lack of motivation to be greedy with some strange tale of being socially concerned
Storm Nordwind: It tends to. But that is not the only motivator, not necessarily at least
--BELL--
Zen Arado: you know yhe old excuse for giving bamk executives huge bonusses
Zen Arado: they would go elsewhere
Matjaz Rives: I also read
Matjaz Rives: that those bank CEO's .. their decisions, impact .. let's say .. their decisions bring a bout a 200 million dollars more in profit
Matjaz Rives: in that view, a 30 million salary is not bad
Zen Arado: yeh
Storm Nordwind: But greed does not bring happiness. The things that greed wants do not bring happiness. A 30 million salary does not bring happiness. So what is the point?
Zen Arado: but why do they need all that money?
Mickorod Renard: I have always done public service..on low pay.......but have been fortunate nontheless..and never wanted for much..but then have recieved lots..so I am lucky
Matjaz Rives: Who's to say they can't earn it?
Zen Arado: the problem of inequality
Zen Arado: do they deserve it?
Matjaz Rives: nobody seems to complain about actors and sports people having huge salaries but everybody seems to complain about CEO's of companies that make a product, that make huge salaries
Matjaz Rives: what gives?
Zen Arado: problem of desert
Zen Arado: yeh same thing really
Mickorod Renard: I complain about actors and pop singers
Storm Nordwind: Nobody and everybody seem inaccurate generalizations to me! ;)
Zen Arado: and rock stars :)
Matjaz Rives: Store your treasures in heaven, it has been said
Zen Arado: footballers
Mickorod Renard: yea, its crazy
Zen Arado: I think doctors are overpaid too
Mickorod Renard: but out of the ashes of these things often comes great things

Motivation.

Zen Arado: what if everyone were paid the same wage?
Matjaz Rives: THere would be little motivation to do more
Zen Arado: what would happen?
Mickorod Renard: its like many of the technologies and medical practices that come from wars
Matjaz Rives: to do more than is necassary
Zen Arado: so greed is only motivator?
Matjaz Rives: Do you know another one?
Zen Arado: not desire of oyther's welfare?
Storm Nordwind: 20 years ago I "earned" 10 times the national average. Now I earn nothing. I'm actually happier now than i was then.
Zen Arado: just enjoyinh what you do
Matjaz Rives: How many people do you know that live only on altruism?
Zen Arado: exercising your talents and abilities
Storm Nordwind: Matjaz - I do. I live on the altruism of others!
Zen Arado: it was just luck what abilities you received
Matjaz Rives: and there's also a question of limiting freedom and expression through human effort in the marketplace that betters lives of everyone
Mickorod Renard: I would like to see a maximum amount of hours worked, and that should be less than todays norm..that way there should be more parity and more places of work for others
Matjaz Rives: I mean, if you compare the standard of living, with just 50 years ago
Zen Arado: but expression and effort are still needed?
Mickorod Renard: a man cleaning the street still works a full day
Matjaz Rives: poor people now have the luxtury of most rich people 50 years ago
Matjaz Rives: not to mention 100 years ago
Matjaz Rives: luxury
Zen Arado: yes
Matjaz Rives: What is there to compalin?
Matjaz Rives: hehe
Zen Arado: we aren't complaining..just reorganizing society ;)
Storm Nordwind: But guess what. They're just as unhappy, but at a higher level!
Zen Arado: yes
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: miserably wealthy
Matjaz Rives: Seems like great disasters have been brought about people that wanted to 'change the world' instead of changing themselves
Zen Arado: I honestly have more money than I need

Happy places.

Mickorod Renard: in a newer method of deriving happiness.they determinined that some place like dominican republic was the happiest due to the closer parity of its peoples,,and that due to this most didnt want for what they saw, or didnt see in this case that the rich have
Zen Arado: I have notrhing to spend money on
Matjaz Rives: Do good intentions discount the fact that their policies have a negative effect?
Zen Arado: was it Bhutan measured gross natinal happiness?
Storm Nordwind: Yes
Storm Nordwind: Also the only country in the world that has vajrayana buddhism as their national religion
Zen Arado: agree about do gooders Mat
Mickorod Renard: I think it would be hard to determine what would actually please many people
Zen Arado: I better go
Storm Nordwind: Bye for now Zen
Mickorod Renard: bye zen
Zen Arado: ty fofr discussion :)
Zen Arado: byee
Mickorod Renard: :)
Matjaz Rives: I'm gonna go too
Mickorod Renard: bye mat
Matjaz Rives: God Bless
Storm Nordwind waves
Mickorod Renard: and you too Mat
--BELL--

A fool in the family.

Mickorod Renard: even in my own household I find it a constant battle trying to work out what and why everyone has diferent idea's on what they want
Mickorod Renard: sorry
Storm Nordwind: Do they know themselves?
Mickorod Renard: lag
Mickorod Renard: yes,,,just more of everything,,and for free
Storm Nordwind: hmm... odd how it's always "more"... which means of course they will never be happy
Mickorod Renard: this is true,,and I have tried to raise their awareness to this
Mickorod Renard: I have gotten my happiness from earning what I have,,or making it with my own hands or efforts
Mickorod Renard: but I am seen as a fool
Storm Nordwind: Then let the wise ones live their lives! And learn happiness only from happy fools. :)
Mickorod Renard: he he , I am a mad crazy fool..and they know it
Storm Nordwind: Cool. But are you a happy fool?
Storm Nordwind: If you are learning Equanimity, then perhaps they will one day see who should learn from whom!
Mickorod Renard: alas sometimes not..because I fear my generocity will ruin them
Storm Nordwind: You will never know. Meanwhile, lack of generosity may ruin you.
Mickorod Renard: it comes with some fortunate timing that I am able to be less emotionally effected by what I see as alternative ways of living a life
Storm Nordwind: Interesting. :) Care to say more?
Mickorod Renard: I am more accepting that some things dont work out the way people expect..and am quite content observing
Storm Nordwind nods
Mickorod Renard: also,,I am most happy when I am able to accept my own supprises in life as a rich form of adventure
Storm Nordwind smiles
Storm Nordwind: That sounds wonderful

True love and immunity to manipulation.

Mickorod Renard: its interesting though....
Mickorod Renard: to see how frustrated some get when they cant interfear with my emotions
Storm Nordwind: Oh yes! I've experienced that too. And you know why?
Mickorod Renard: that is in a way they want
Storm Nordwind: It means they can't manipulated you!
Mickorod Renard: exactly
Storm Nordwind: I had that conversation with one of my daughters only two years ago
Mickorod Renard: he he
Storm Nordwind: She didn't understand - was appalled even - that I could love her without feeling attachment to her.
Storm Nordwind: She didn't understand that depth and freedom of love
--BELL--
Mickorod Renard: I am still unable to keep that calm control all the time
Storm Nordwind: It will come :)
Mickorod Renard: that is such an interesting point Stom,,I have it with my partner too
Mickorod Renard: I would have thought she would have embraced the benefits that I offer
Storm Nordwind: If she has never known the mutual freedom it can bring, it comes as a shock
Mickorod Renard: yes
Mickorod Renard: I love it so much I would love her to have an insight to it,,but she doesnt know how to listen yet
Mickorod Renard: he he
Storm Nordwind: How much greater a love - how much greater a compliment it is being paid to her - that she can be loved so deeply for what she is, without clinging, fear of loss, or manipulation.
Mickorod Renard: I wish I could have understood its workings years ago
Storm Nordwind: Ah we all do. But better now than never
Mickorod Renard: I am grateful that by acident I had some similar foundation

A warm, safe, snug obscuring fog.

Mickorod Renard: I do fear the greater clarity in perception realised from it that in a way has shocked me
Storm Nordwind understands
Mickorod Renard: sounds contradictory
Storm Nordwind: But you would not prefer to live in a fog, would you?
Storm Nordwind: A warm, safe, snug obscuring fog? ;)
Mickorod Renard: its something I do ponder
Storm Nordwind: Take the blue pill then! :)
Mickorod Renard: he he

Is there a way back?

Mickorod Renard: is there a way back?
Mickorod Renard: and if so,,then I presume that holding on to this is actually a life long disaplin?
Storm Nordwind: From taking the blue pill? Maybe. Eventually. If you're lucky. From taking the red pill? No.
Mickorod Renard: I have always been an antidisiplinarian

The bear hiding behind the chair.

Storm Nordwind: When the sun rises, and you see the bear hiding behind the chair was just a pile of clothes, you'll see things differently from then on
Mickorod Renard: its quite funny..I am happy to accept visions of reality that come about from a confusion,,like embracing an exploration of posibilities,,rather than preconceptions
Storm Nordwind nods
Mickorod Renard: so yes, I could see a bear easily
Mickorod Renard: also my hearing is bad,,and rather than do as my wife says,,wich is make the connection from context,,I prefer the other,,amusing myself with what my ears hear
Mickorod Renard: he he
Storm Nordwind: So you prefer the nighttime terrors of the bear to the daytime reality of the pile of clothes? I doubt that!
Storm Nordwind: But yes, deliberately mishearing can be fun... if i heard you right! ;-))
Mickorod Renard: yes :)
--BELL--
Mickorod Renard: that renminds me,,I must shoot off and type up a dream for tommorow
Mickorod Renard: for maxines
Storm Nordwind: OK! Great to discuss these things with you!
Mickorod Renard: yea, good chatting..thanbks
Mickorod Renard: see you soon,,take care
Storm Nordwind: Sleep well - dream well - and check the chair!
Mickorod Renard: :))