2013.01.05 19:00 - let us toast to nothing(ness)

The Guardian for this meeting was "Santoshima Resident". The comments are by Santoshima Resident.

Who else showed up?  "Catrinamonbleu", "Eos", "Mellie", "Stevenaia".

Catrinamonblue Resident: 's current display-name is "Catrinamonblue".
Santoshima Resident: 's current display-name is "San".
Santoshima Resident: hello
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: listening to Star Trek TNG while reading old chat logs :)

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Santoshima Resident: good combination?
Catrinamonblue Resident: interesting to read the history of PaB :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: I find Star Trek soothing for some strange reason :)
Santoshima Resident: hmm, what is the strange reason :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: Some friends have thought me strange for saying so
Santoshima Resident: can't comment, don't know the parts of this equation
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Santoshima Resident: ok, did these friends watch ST?
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes :)
Santoshima Resident: and further question:
Santoshima Resident: did you watch regularly?
Catrinamonblue Resident: I watch episodes over and over to the point of being able to say the lines before the actors :)
Santoshima Resident: hmm
Santoshima Resident: ok
Catrinamonblue Resident: The Next Generation and Voyager are my favorites :)
Santoshima Resident: don't know star trek very well

Santoshima Resident: ok, tell me about star trek
Santoshima Resident: its appeal for you

Eos Amaterasu: (Hi San and Cat)
Catrinamonblue Resident: a version of the future where humanity has put aside their differences to go explore the universe
Santoshima Resident: we're skirting the topic of .... "Nothingness"
Santoshima Resident: hi Eos
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Eos :)
Eos Amaterasu listens
Santoshima Resident: Cat is telling about finding Star trek soothing, as an avid watcher
Catrinamonblue Resident: I love Star Trek mostly because it portrays the best that we could be
Santoshima Resident: what about the costumes?
Santoshima Resident: the best?
Eos Amaterasu: yes, I think it did / does do that in many ways
Catrinamonblue Resident: in a way they have "dropped"
Santoshima Resident: please continue
Catrinamonblue Resident: as I understand the concept of drop
Catrinamonblue Resident: To seek out new life new worlds to boldly go where no man has gone before
Eos Amaterasu: the characters in Star Trek have dropped?
Catrinamonblue Resident: to explore humanity at it's best
Catrinamonblue Resident: not the characters themselves, the concept of that future
Santoshima Resident: i've watched about 5 episodes, decades ago
Santoshima Resident: and one movie
Catrinamonblue Resident: I'm probably way off base realy, just thinking out load
Eos Amaterasu: self-definitions get dropped? ...
Santoshima Resident: so i don't know the series all that well
Santoshima Resident: or the writing
Catrinamonblue Resident: The Next Generation is on netflix
Santoshima Resident: it's not in the cards that i'm going to watch ST
Catrinamonblue Resident: I guess it's the happy ending I like, that every problem gets solved and everyone is ok
Eos Amaterasu: Jean-Luc Picard was an exemplary leader
Catrinamonblue Resident: Like Dr. Who "Everyone Lives"

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Catrinamonblue Resident: anyway I've waxed on long enough on that :) anything else to talk about?
Eos Amaterasu: nothing
Eos Amaterasu: or nothingness, as Eliza reminded
Santoshima Resident: nada
Eos Amaterasu: "to boldly go..." seems to go into some kind of nothingness, all unknown
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: grrr computer is doubling me tonight sry
Eos Amaterasu: np (and np with np np) :-)
Santoshima Resident: [ np editor alerted already ]

Mellie McMinnar: 's current display-name is "Mellie".
Mellie McMinnar: hello
Catrinamonblue Resident: nothingness = unknown
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Millie

Mellie McMinnar: still nothingness?
Eos Amaterasu: hello Mellie
Eos Amaterasu: perhaps not
Eos Amaterasu: does this taste like nothingness or somethingness?
Mellie McMinnar: well I have said my part..... year ago ^^
Catrinamonblue Resident: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/ke...thingness.html
Catrinamonblue Resident: google is fun
Mellie McMinnar: I prefer to talk rather to watch links.... sorry
Catrinamonblue Resident: God made everything out of nothing, but the nothingness shows through. Paul Valery
Catrinamonblue Resident: that's from the link I put up
Catrinamonblue Resident: it's a page with a bunch of sayings on nothingness
Eos Amaterasu: the true aesthetic experience of something
Eos Amaterasu: stops you in your tracks
Eos Amaterasu: some kind of nothingness :-)
Mellie McMinnar: "everything is bullshit" - Penn Jillette
Mellie McMinnar: see... I can quote too
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)

Mellie McMinnar: so... anything besides quotes you guys like to talk about?
Santoshima Resident: how to shut down a conversation between friends
Santoshima Resident: come and be rude
Santoshima Resident: if you have something to add, please do
Santoshima Resident: mellie
Santoshima Resident: but no need to insult people
Mellie McMinnar: did I insult anyone?
Santoshima Resident: and please turn off the german lines in your text [ note: duplicate lines in German had appreared in the chat window after Mellie's English text, and I assumed they would appear here ... but didn't, so not edited out ]
Mellie McMinnar: I will try.. someone gave this to me
Catrinamonblue Resident: Quotes can be a good jumping off point for conversations I think
Mellie McMinnar: I guess this iteam was ir.... I hope
Mellie McMinnar: yeah :)
Santoshima Resident: ty

Santoshima Resident: greetings stevenaia
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Steve :)

Mellie McMinnar: "quotes are for people who son't like to use their own minds" - Mellie McMinnar
Santoshima Resident: ty, mellie
Catrinamonblue Resident: ouch :(

stevenaia Michinaga: Hi SAan, Cat Eoa and Millie

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Mellie McMinnar: Hey Steve
Mellie McMinnar: sorry... Stev ^^
Eos Amaterasu: that was 90 seconds between quotes
Mellie McMinnar: well compare that to 6.000 years between quotes
Eos Amaterasu: that's 75 or so lifetimes
Eos Amaterasu: a long time to be on retreat :-)
Eos Amaterasu: the interesting thing is how we create things by putting them between quote marks
Eos Amaterasu: like the 90 second gap we have here: it's special because we made it so
Mellie McMinnar: "the interesting thing is how we create things by putting them between quote marks" - Eos
Eos Amaterasu: but really it's no different than any other 90 seconds period
Eos Amaterasu: except that we make it special
Eos Amaterasu: so that the nothingness can come through
Mellie McMinnar: Eos, I have no clue what your are pointing to
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Eos Amaterasu: "ha ha"
Santoshima Resident: :)

stevenaia Michinaga: or make it some one esles way of explaining omething we feel cannot be sais better... unless it is our own quote... then I'm not dure what it means
stevenaia Michinaga: so much for my typing tonight
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Santoshima Resident: a nice try, though stevenaia
stevenaia Michinaga: lol
Eos Amaterasu: it's like sailing through slightly stormy seas, stegvenaia :-)
Mellie McMinnar: a good one too
stevenaia Michinaga: can you tell, I'm learning to type by not looking at the keyboard
Eos Amaterasu: with the help of a cat?
Santoshima Resident: it's different than ususal, yes
stevenaia Michinaga: (ncan;t blame the cat tonight, but thanks for the attempt at a save
stevenaia Michinaga: :)

Mellie McMinnar: in fact, let's face is... most of us are drunk and we are here because we have nothing better to do... and that is why we are drunk
Catrinamonblue Resident: I don't drink
Santoshima Resident: me neither
Santoshima Resident: except single malt
stevenaia Michinaga: I think I need a drink, a good idea actually, I must be behind
Eos Amaterasu: "we'll laugh and toast to nothing and smash our empty glasses down" - Joni Mitchell
Santoshima Resident: ah joni
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Mellie McMinnar: ever tasted Lagavulin San?
stevenaia Michinaga: oh? San? we should have a special session w/ Storm
Santoshima Resident: Lagavulin
Eos Amaterasu: let us toast to nothing(ness)
Santoshima Resident: like peat
Santoshima Resident: let's, Eos
Eos Amaterasu: with the best possible drink for each one
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
Eos Amaterasu: the nothing that smiles through
stevenaia Michinaga: I'm sure we can find something Cat would enjoy
Mellie McMinnar: more like asphalt..... but if you are a "knower", it's like a campfire next to a salty sea
Catrinamonblue Resident: hot chocolate :)

Eos Amaterasu hums "I believe in miracles..."
Santoshima Resident: ever the optimist, Eos
Mellie McMinnar: np.... think of a number between 1 and a million, San
Eos Amaterasu smiles dourly
Santoshima Resident: pass
Mellie McMinnar: of course
Santoshima Resident: pass on that, too
Santoshima Resident: try the next contestant

Mellie McMinnar: yeah... miracls are handy, aren't they
Eos Amaterasu: yes, and then what?
Mellie McMinnar: Eos, you want a try?
Eos Amaterasu: living the post-miracle way?
Mellie McMinnar: picking a number
Eos Amaterasu: pass
Mellie McMinnar: I guessed so
Eos Amaterasu: you win!
Mellie McMinnar: you guys have no arguments
Santoshima Resident: so true
stevenaia Michinaga: nods, they tend to be pointless (arguments)
Eos Amaterasu wonders what his favorite integer between one and a million is

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Eos Amaterasu: of the small integers 7 seems prominent
Mellie McMinnar: I am open for everything and I like everybody to believe in whatever he wants.... just PLEASE... don't force others to believe in it
Santoshima Resident: not sure what you are talking about Mellie, but then again, not really wondering what you are talking about
Mellie McMinnar: hehe
Mellie McMinnar: nicely said
Santoshima Resident: a little moment of drama at the pool
Eos Amaterasu: no wonder, never mind
Santoshima Resident: ty, for that

Mellie McMinnar: sorry, but as open as i am.. and I really accept different oppinions.... I am still a scientist
Eos Amaterasu: not sure what you are tilting against, Mellie
Mellie McMinnar: ok, so let's tilt back to nothingness ;)
Catrinamonblue Resident: sitting quietly contemplating nothing :) sipping hot chocolate

Eos Amaterasu: does nothingness mean anything experientially to anyone?
stevenaia Michinaga: some things need to be experienced
Mellie McMinnar: no
stevenaia Michinaga: or nothing in this instance

Eos Amaterasu: but beautiful
Mellie McMinnar: you can not have nothing
Eos Amaterasu: I can hold it in my hand
Mellie McMinnar: there is a fuckload of atoms in your hand
Eos Amaterasu grins
Eos Amaterasu grins fuckloads
Eos Amaterasu gets bleeped
Eos Amaterasu: strange how close to nothingness the deep particle physicists get
Eos Amaterasu: willow the wisps r us
Mellie McMinnar: sorry, but i just watched some episodes of Penn & teller`s Bullshit.... so I am fucking allowed to fucking say fuck
Santoshima Resident: who cares
Mellie McMinnar: you do
Santoshima Resident: ah
Santoshima Resident: "ah"
Mellie McMinnar: nice
Eos Amaterasu: makes all the difference :-)
Santoshima Resident: it does
Santoshima Resident: makes for friendship and for ease of being, makes the nothingness ...
Mellie McMinnar: so you DO care San
Santoshima Resident: ... not slide into nihilism.
Santoshima Resident: i care about people
Santoshima Resident: mellie.
Eos Amaterasu: willow the wisps care :-)

Mellie McMinnar: anybody with a new topic?
Eos Amaterasu: within couldn't care less - ness
Santoshima Resident: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: there is always a new topic on sunday
Mellie McMinnar: oh yes, it is sunday alright :)
stevenaia Michinaga: for some, where are you Millie?

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Mellie McMinnar: I am a Nazi Kraut

stevenaia Michinaga: my time is up here, night all
Eos Amaterasu: moi aussi , ciao!
Mellie McMinnar: bye stev
Santoshima Resident: bye Stevie, gtsy
Catrinamonblue Resident: Night Steve :)
stevenaia Michinaga: cheeras
Santoshima Resident: me too, g'night
Catrinamonblue Resident: Night San

Mellie McMinnar: so, Cat
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes?
Mellie McMinnar: wanna ask me something?

Catrinamonblue Resident: why are you so aggressive and rude?

Mellie McMinnar: I am neither

Catrinamonblue Resident: from my point of view it seems that way
Mellie McMinnar: look at your history...... I was never rude... unless it was for fun..... and I surely never was impolite

Catrinamonblue Resident: Mellie (mellie.mcminnar): "quotes are for people who don't like to use their own minds" - Mellie McMinnar ...

Mellie McMinnar: I am truly open and I love to hear other peoples opinions

Catrinamonblue Resident: ... after I had said

Mellie McMinnar: as long as they are nor stupid of course....

Catrinamonblue Resident: Catrinamonblue: Quotes can be a good jumping off point for conversations I think
Mellie McMinnar: see? fun

Catrinamonblue Resident: not to me no
Catrinamonblue Resident: it hurt
Catrinamonblue Resident: it felt like a put down

Mellie McMinnar: I didn't want to hurt you and I am sorry if I did
Catrinamonblue Resident: ty I accept the appology

Mellie McMinnar: I really appreciate your oppinion

Catrinamonblue Resident: ok gtg see you round?

Mellie McMinnar: (and sorry. I have to do this)
Mellie McMinnar: even if it is stupid

Catrinamonblue Resident: do what?

Mellie McMinnar: I am sarcastic .... that is who I am
Mellie McMinnar: do you want to change me?

Catrinamonblue Resident: ok will keep that in mind for the future
Catrinamonblue Resident: no not really

Mellie McMinnar: please do

Catrinamonblue Resident: bye
Mellie McMinnar: bye

Mellie McMinnar: since I am alone here and this thing is still recording
Mellie McMinnar: JFK was killed by G.W.Bush
Mellie McMinnar: but pssssssst

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