2013.01.09 19:00 – Paddling in the River of Our Lifetimes

The Guardian for this meeting was Paradise Tennant. Participants included jamaesi, normal2112

Paradise Tennant: hiya jamaesi :)
--BELL--

Paradise Tennant: hiya normal :)
jamaesi Resident: Hello
Paradise Tennant: smiles you have been to pab before jamaesi ?
jamaesi Resident: No, I haven't
Paradise Tennant: oh ok let me give you a notecard
Paradise Tennant: the chat logs are posted on the wiki page
Paradise Tennant: do you object to your comments being included
jamaesi Resident: No, I don't
normal2112 Resident: hiya
normal2112 Resident: had some perspective difficulties
Paradise Tennant: hiya normal
Paradise Tennant: sorry just shuffling through for a notecard .. have you not been to pab either ?
normal2112 Resident: hi , Paradise?
normal2112 Resident: not with peoples
normal2112 Resident: lost my perspective again, please bear with me.
normal2112 Resident: kk
Paradise Tennant: and normal do you mind your comments being included on the wiki page ?
normal2112 Resident: no
normal2112 Resident: don't really care about stupid things like that.
Paradise Tennant: sorry that is the most current version of the introduction note :)
Paradise Tennant: what we normally do is meet 4 times a day for roughly an hour or more and talk
normal2112 Resident: delay or frag or something, sorry
Paradise Tennant: about everything
normal2112 Resident: oh, ok thanks.
normal2112 Resident: gimme a sec
normal2112 Resident: some delay here
Paradise Tennant: sometimes the talks are themed .. and quite structured and other times just relaxed chatting
normal2112 Resident: saw your groupy thing
Paradise Tennant: very nice group of people ..  some scientist’s teachers artists ..each and everyone an explorer of our everyday reality
normal2112 Resident: every day is reality, no?
Paradise Tennant: smiles yes
Paradise Tennant: well there are a lot of ways of looking at what we perceive as reality .. what it is and what it isn’t
normal2112 Resident: so , what is different about this reality?
normal2112 Resident: how so miss?
Paradise Tennant: well I guess each and every moment we have is intensely subjective what you perceive and what I perceive can differ dramatically even if we are sitting in the same room :)
normal2112 Resident: perception is then the reality of the current evaluation.
--BELL--
normal2112 Resident: bell?
Paradise Tennant: every 15 minutes we pause to be still ..
normal2112 Resident: 15 minute bell?
Paradise Tennant: smiles
normal2112 Resident: for 15 minutes?
Paradise Tennant: for 90 sec
normal2112 Resident: hmm
normal2112 Resident: kk
normal2112 Resident: hi bleu
normal2112 Resident: your welcome bell
Paradise Tennant: hiya bleu
Paradise Tennant: this is normal and jamaesi and this is the first PAB session :)
normal2112 Resident: feel like I'm in psychotherapy, 1st session and all.
Paradise Tennant: no this more like group geography
jamaesi Resident: I'm not really sure what to say, tbh, I kinda happened to be here at the right time.
normal2112 Resident: here the fountain, its pleasant
Paradise Tennant: smiles yep sometimes we sit and do not talk much ..kind of nice to just sit together :)
normal2112 Resident: when is the left time?
normal2112 Resident: how many directions can there be, me wonders.
Paradise Tennant: the session start at 7 am 7 pm and 1 am and 1 pm sl time and usually run for an hour sometimes more depends
Paradise Tennant: nods something to wonder about :))
Paradise Tennant: this week for example the theme is
Paradise Tennant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equanimity
normal2112 Resident: jamaesi, you are a Gnostic I see.
normal2112 Resident: nice word
Paradise Tennant: Neither a thought nor an emotion, it is rather the steady conscious realization of reality's transience. It is the ground for wisdom and freedom and the protector of compassion and love. While some may think of equanimity as dry neutrality or cool aloofness, mature equanimity produces a radiance and warmth of being. The Buddha described a mind filled with equanimity as "abundant, exalted, immeasurable, without hostility and without ill-will."
normal2112 Resident: Equanimity
jamaesi Resident: No, I'm Muslim, Hanafi and Sufi
normal2112 Resident: okk

Paradise Tennant: yes an interesting word with so many ways to interpret
normal2112 Resident: looked at your groups is all
Paradise Tennant: smiles we have a couple of people come who practise Sufism :)
Paradise Tennant: taṣawwuf
normal2112 Resident: we are all equal, whether we chose to admit it or not
Paradise Tennant: yes I would say also that we are all connected :)))
Paradise Tennant: kind of one big thing with lots of tiny facets
normal2112 Resident: universe is one
normal2112 Resident: we are mere particles of our thoughts
normal2112 Resident: lag here, is it me?
Paradise Tennant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanafi
Paradise Tennant: pretty laggy
Paradise Tennant: I have not read much about hanafi jamaesi it looks interesting :)
normal2112 Resident: I'll check your link, bear with me please. please continue without my presence of being.
jamaesi Resident: It's the oldest/most liberal school of thought in traditional Sunni Islam
Paradise Tennant: yes
normal2112 Resident: does not work for me
--BELL--
Paradise Tennant: the link?
Paradise Tennant: hmm
Paradise Tennant: my family was Quaker :) . but I like reading about all ways of thought and religion with Buddhist being the one I read most on :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles
normal2112 Resident: got it. I have a fundamental question, if I may?/
Paradise Tennant: ultimately I think we all find a path that works for us .. whatever that may be.. it is such an individual process
Paradise Tennant: of course listening
normal2112 Resident: Mohammed, said in the Koran that the faith would never be split as the Christian religion was. Yet when he died, 2 separate paths were born, Sunni and Shite? Is this correct?
normal2112 Resident: like the split in Christianity
normal2112 Resident: the uncle and the grandson me thinks
Paradise Tennant: I don't know enough to answer that normal :) often think the differences we create are more surface than fundamental content :)
normal2112 Resident: this is the great divide in the birth lands, is it knot?
normal2112 Resident: I have knot created these differences, I merely observe the current state of the middle east.
normal2112 Resident: Sunni vs.Shite vs. the others
Paradise Tennant: if we are all one thing .. how real are the "vs"
normal2112 Resident: it is knot my creation, it is a perception
Paradise Tennant: smiles yes it is a perception :)
Paradise Tennant: how real is that perception :)
normal2112 Resident: the great divide, or what I see as the great abyss.
normal2112 Resident: non perceptive in this society perhaps, is unimportant to thyself
normal2112 Resident: thyself me or this entity that I encompass
normal2112 Resident: but, I SEE THE DIVISION
normal2112 Resident: and do not agree
normal2112 Resident: merely my perception Paradise.
normal2112 Resident: not that it is actual in this present space-time
--BELL--
normal2112 Resident: actual
normal2112 Resident: contemplation, I think
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Paradise Tennant: tend to see as packaging that changes :)) but ultimately wraps around the same content :)
normal2112 Resident: you are more than welcome. entity that is knot
jamaesi Resident: Oh, I was making tea. The Qur'an doesn't say that.
Paradise Tennant: listens
normal2112 Resident: what does it say to this jamaesi?
jamaesi Resident: Nothing really, tbh.
normal2112 Resident: mm
normal2112 Resident: I shall re-read this part again
normal2112 Resident: I find the Koran, very informative
jamaesi Resident: I'm actually writing a paper on this topic, but in early Islam it was a community of Muslims, Christians, and Jews. Most of the time the Qur'an just says mum'im which means believer which could be anyone who believes in G-d
normal2112 Resident: as I do many texts
jamaesi Resident: If it's the verse from Chapter 6 it's basically saying stop squabbling over whose text is right you're all right
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Paradise Tennant: there must be some level of fun in squabbling because it is so ingrained in the human condition :))
normal2112 Resident: yes, Mohammed was another, ( please excuse my spelling ) yet in the middle east, especially in the Muslim worlds there is exactly the squabbling that the Koran talks against.
Paradise Tennant: hard to accept a reality where everyone could be right because somehow it makes the individual rightness seem less somehow some how being right is reinforced by others being wrong :))
normal2112 Resident: how is this to be taken by myself or others, who would follow this faith?
jamaesi Resident: Ego, Shadow Issues, I guess
Paradise Tennant: what are shadow issues?
normal2112 Resident: yet, death to those who see differently?
jamaesi Resident: Are you familiar with Jung?
normal2112 Resident: very
Paradise Tennant: a little
jamaesi Resident: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_(psychology)
normal2112 Resident: yet the multitude opinion is of what I seek the answer to.
normal2112 Resident: the masses are always swayed
normal2112 Resident: the believer is always correct, in his or her mindset.
normal2112 Resident: Campbell, was a big fan of Jung. Mythology is constantly evolving as we progress through civilizations.
normal2112 Resident: We will survive, but as what.
--BELL--
normal2112 Resident: certainly
normal2112 Resident: in my own presence of being. start now please, and thank you.
normal2112 Resident: so, how big is this world?
normal2112 Resident: how many molecules exist at this time?
normal2112 Resident: hmm
normal2112 Resident: sorry, I have these thoughts , and profess them. My apologies to you both.
Paradise Tennant: happy to listen :)
Paradise Tennant: not sure I know the answers :)
normal2112 Resident: you listen to pixels on a screen. That amazes myself.
normal2112 Resident: such is this virtual world, and it is as real as my living room
normal2112 Resident: and I thank you Paradise, for accepting me as I am.
Paradise Tennant: nods
Paradise Tennant: lol
Paradise Tennant: smiles I always think acceptance I call it surrender to the moment
normal2112 Resident: so. what of your surroundings?
Paradise Tennant: makes everything so much easier
Paradise Tennant: Buddhists would say "isness"
normal2112 Resident: that is the flow of the river of lives, methinx
Paradise Tennant: yes
normal2112 Resident: and its tributaries
Paradise Tennant: so much of what is hard really to cope with is our resistance ..
normal2112 Resident: may fish spawn and procreate then, in the midst of the world.
Paradise Tennant: we want everything our way .. but much better to just enjoy the ride :)
normal2112 Resident: our resistance is the creation of the tides and the stream. What could be better than that. If we all agreed it would be rather boring.
Paradise Tennant: yes
normal2112 Resident: and so we flow, hence the river of our lifetimes
normal2112 Resident: the water, air earth and sky. How blessed are we to be able to absorb these subtleties
Paradise Tennant: yes I truly believe we are all blessed just to be here
normal2112 Resident: humans as ants we are
normal2112 Resident: thus we are beings
Paradise Tennant: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs
normal2112 Resident: and with that I shall depart, my sweet Paradise
Paradise Tennant: here I s a link to our website has lots of interesting reading on it L(
Paradise Tennant: :) so nice to have met you normal :)
Paradise Tennant: thank you for coming :)
normal2112 Resident: be safe, well and always aware.
Paradise Tennant: I have to go too :)
Paradise Tennant: really nice to have met you jamaesi :))
--BELL--
Paradise Tennant: hope I see you two again :)
normal2112 Resident: thanx for having our presence be accepted
normal2112 Resident: and yes you to bell