The Guardian for this meeting was szavanna Resident. The comments are by szavanna Resident.

[07:04] Ari (arisia.vita): welcome Sun
[07:04] Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi Sunji :)
[07:04] Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): hey sunshine :)
[07:04] Sunshine (szavanna): ty Ari °͜°
[07:05] Sunshine (szavanna): I am supposed to welcome you :)
[07:05] Bleu (bleu.oleander): we are admiring your beautiful book
[07:05] Sunshine (szavanna): Yakuji °͜°
[07:05] Ari (arisia.vita): you just did, by showing up
[07:05] Sunshine (szavanna): yay I am happy you like it
[07:05] Sunshine (szavanna): I made a new version
[07:05] Bleu (bleu.oleander): oh good
[07:05] Bleu (bleu.oleander): new and improved?
[07:06] Sunshine (szavanna): so whats happening with our sim?
[07:06] Bleu (bleu.oleander): how did you do the images and notecards for the book?
[07:06] Sunshine (szavanna): hmm I went to the dome and took pictures
[07:07] Bleu (bleu.oleander): then edited them in photoshop?
[07:07] Sunshine (szavanna): and fitted them into this frame
[07:07] Sunshine (szavanna): gimp
[07:07] Bleu (bleu.oleander): ah ok
[07:07] Sunshine (szavanna): I made the page 700x700
[07:07] Sunshine (szavanna): and the pictures themselves 600x600px
[07:07] Bleu (bleu.oleander): why that size?
[07:07] Sunshine (szavanna): its not so big
[07:07] Sunshine (szavanna): loads easier I think
[07:07] Bleu (bleu.oleander): and not 512, 1024 etc
[07:07] Sunshine (szavanna): ah
[07:07] Sunshine (szavanna): brb one sec
[07:08] Bleu (bleu.oleander): 256, 512, 1024 are the standard sl sizes I think, yes?
[07:08] Bleu (bleu.oleander): supposed to load better?
[07:09] Ari (arisia.vita): I'm not sure, not much of a builder...
[07:09] Bleu (bleu.oleander): I try to keep all my textures to 256 or 512
[07:09] Sunshine (szavanna): back sorry °͜°
[07:09] Ari (arisia.vita): but it seems the smaller sizes would be less laggy
[07:09] Ari (arisia.vita): wb
[07:09] Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes
[07:09] Sunshine (szavanna): ty °͜°
[07:09] Sunshine (szavanna): so yes I could use the default sizes for SL
[07:09] Bleu (bleu.oleander): but for clarity (hehe) sometimes the larger textures are clearer
[07:10] Sunshine (szavanna): I actually didn't think of that
[07:10] Sunshine (szavanna): °͜°
[07:10] Bleu (bleu.oleander): not sure how books work
[07:10] Sunshine (szavanna): yes but they take long
[07:10] Bleu (bleu.oleander): never done one
[07:10] Sunshine (szavanna): and I was thinking - the images don't do justice anyway
[07:10] Bleu (bleu.oleander): we should have a session on making a book
[07:10] Sunshine (szavanna): it just helps you to identify them
[07:10] Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes
[07:11] Sunshine (szavanna): even if I make a high res picture
[07:11] Bleu (bleu.oleander): can't capture the interactive features
[07:11] Sunshine (szavanna): it would not show movement and light changes
[07:11] Sunshine (szavanna): yes °͜°
[07:11] Bleu (bleu.oleander): right
[07:11] Sunshine (szavanna): but it is still a nice exercise
[07:11] Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes!
[07:11] Sunshine (szavanna): to learn to take a nice shot of each
[07:11] Bleu (bleu.oleander): really nice
[07:11] Sunshine (szavanna): and look for the best lights
[07:12] Sunshine (szavanna): I could have taken much longer
[07:12] Bleu (bleu.oleander): is your new version better?
[07:12] Sunshine (szavanna): but had to finish for the session
[07:12] Sunshine (szavanna): no its just another tool
[07:12] Sunshine (szavanna): the one on the table is from Hippo
[07:12] Sunshine (szavanna): Hippo Technologies
[07:12] Sunshine (szavanna): its called Hippo book
[07:12] Bleu (bleu.oleander): perhaps you can leave a version out for ppl to take a copy?
[07:12] Sunshine (szavanna): and I also got another called Intelli book
[07:13] Sunshine (szavanna): yes thats what I wanna do °͜°
[07:13] Sunshine (szavanna): let me show you this version
[07:13] Sunshine (szavanna): actually I didn't finish I think
[07:13] Bleu (bleu.oleander): which tech is better or easier to use?
[07:13] Sunshine (szavanna): hmm once you know them - they are both ok
[07:14] Sunshine (szavanna): but Intelli might be a bit nicer
[07:15] Sunshine (szavanna): Yaku is sooo faaaar
[07:15] Sunshine (szavanna): I need special glasses to see him hehe
[07:15] Bleu (bleu.oleander): do you rez this or wear as hud?
[07:15] Sunshine (szavanna): both
[07:16] Sunshine (szavanna): so you can try as a hud
[07:16] Sunshine (szavanna): just wear
[07:16] Sunshine (szavanna): or wear in center
[07:16] Sunshine (szavanna): I wanted to show you how to make it
[07:16] Sunshine (szavanna): but can't rez my "factory"
[07:16] Sunshine (szavanna): as its called lol
[07:16] Bleu (bleu.oleander): ah works great as hud
[07:16] Sunshine (szavanna): ah much better Yaku °͜°
[07:17] Ari (arisia.vita): :)
[07:17] Sunshine (szavanna): very important that it works as a hud
[07:17] Sunshine (szavanna): that is why the other books are not so god
[07:17] Sunshine (szavanna): the one I gave you
[07:17] Sunshine (szavanna): yesterday- its a free book
[07:17] Sunshine (szavanna): it doesn't work as a hud
[07:17] Sunshine (szavanna): then I made the hippo book after your session
[07:18] Sunshine (szavanna): that works as a hud so thats better
[07:18] Sunshine (szavanna): and this one too
[07:18] Sunshine (szavanna): this one has many versions
[07:18] Sunshine (szavanna): the most expensive one - has clickable areas
[07:18] Sunshine (szavanna): when you click those - it takes you to a website
[07:18] Bleu (bleu.oleander): so this one is the most expensive one?
[07:19] Sunshine (szavanna): no
[07:19] Sunshine (szavanna): this is the second option
[07:19] Bleu (bleu.oleander): ah
[07:19] Sunshine (szavanna): most expensive is 14000L
[07:19] Bleu (bleu.oleander): intelli
[07:19] Sunshine (szavanna): ;p
[07:19] Bleu (bleu.oleander): yikes
[07:19] Sunshine (szavanna): hmm but this is ok too - it was 2000
[07:19] Bleu (bleu.oleander): this one is good I think
[07:19] Ari (arisia.vita): and freely transferable?
[07:19] Sunshine (szavanna): if you want to make a book like this - you can send me the textures
[07:20] Sunshine (szavanna): and I can make it
[07:20] Sunshine (szavanna): no I can't transfer the factory part
[07:20] Bleu (bleu.oleander): ty!
[07:20] Ari (arisia.vita): just the finished book?
[07:20] Sunshine (szavanna): the final book is copy&trans
[07:20] Sunshine (szavanna): or just copy
[07:20] Bleu (bleu.oleander): I may go ahead and buy the "factory"
[07:20] Sunshine (szavanna): you set it in the edit window as for any prim
[07:20] Sunshine (szavanna): hehe ok
[07:20] Bleu (bleu.oleander): can you create a custom cover?
[07:21] Sunshine (szavanna): yes
[07:21] Sunshine (szavanna): I can show you the hippo one
[07:21] Bleu (bleu.oleander): when I got to the end of the book it offered me some other options
[07:21] Sunshine (szavanna): its the one we used
[07:22] Bruce (bruce.mowbray) is offline.
[07:22] Bleu (bleu.oleander): this is the Hippo version
[07:22] Sunshine (szavanna): this is the hippo one
[07:22] Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)
[07:22] Sunshine (szavanna): and I love hippos
[07:22] Bleu (bleu.oleander): hehe
[07:22] Sunshine (szavanna): so hehe °͜°
[07:23] Ari (arisia.vita): such cute faces...
[07:23] Sunshine (szavanna): °͜°
[07:23] Sunshine (szavanna): here is how you change those :
[07:23] Sunshine (szavanna):

However, when it comes to customizing the book’s appearance, you can do this in one of two ways. First, you could just texture the covers, spine, inside covers etc. as you would any Second Life object. Or you can add “special textures” to the book’s contents and have it automatically apply them for you.

* Add a texture called !FRONT COVER to the book’s contents to be applied to the front cover
* Add a texture called !FRONT COVER (INSIDE) to be applied to the inside front cover
* Add a texture called !BACK COVER to be applied to the back cover
* Add a texture called !SPINE to be applied to the inside back cover
* Add a texture called !SPINE to be applied to the spine
* Add a texture called !SPINE (INSIDE) to be applied to the inside of the spine
* Add a texture called !EDGES to be applied to the edges of the book

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[07:24] Lila Darkmatter entered the region (15.32 m).
[07:24] Sunshine (szavanna): Lilaaa °͜°
[07:24] Sunshine (szavanna): we missed you
[07:24] Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi Lila :)
[07:24] Lila Darkmatter: Hello Everyone :)
[07:24] Bleu (bleu.oleander): we're getting a book lesson
[07:24] Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): hey lila
[07:25] Sunshine (szavanna): I hope we can soon get back to our pagoda
[07:25] Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes
[07:25] Lila Darkmatter: a little trouble rezzing... seeing some of you in scarecrow pose
[07:25] Sunshine (szavanna): lol I know that pose
[07:25] Sunshine (szavanna): me too?
[07:25] Sunshine (szavanna): I can try stand and sit
[07:25] Sunshine (szavanna): sometimes that works
[07:25] Lila Darkmatter: you are the only one sitting normally Sun
[07:25] Sunshine (szavanna): oh ok
[07:26] Lila Darkmatter: but no worries... sorry to distract with viewer issues
[07:26] Bleu (bleu.oleander): did that help?
[07:26] Lila Darkmatter: nope :) lol
[07:26] Bleu (bleu.oleander): lol
[07:26] Sunshine (szavanna): oh it's ok we are just chatting about clarity °͜°
[07:26] Ari (arisia.vita): ugh... :)
[07:26] Lila Darkmatter: brb
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[07:26] Sunshine (szavanna): ok :)
[07:27] Sunshine (szavanna): I was thinking there should be a free book out there
[07:27] Sunshine (szavanna): but the ones I saw - won't work so well
[07:27] Eliza (eliza.madrigal) is online.
[07:27] Giddeon Oh is online.
[07:27] Sunshine (szavanna): and books can be very useful - but only if they have reliable scripts
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[07:27] Sunshine (szavanna): I think its not easy to make a bok
[07:28] Sunshine (szavanna): *book
[07:28] Art of Being Clarity - December 2012 whispers: Please wait a moment ...
[07:28] Art of Being Clarity - December 2012 whispers: Please wait a moment ...
[07:28] Art of Being Clarity - December 2012 whispers: 30 pages.
[07:28] Art of Being Clarity - December 2012 whispers: Please wait a moment ...
[07:28] Art of Being Clarity - December 2012 whispers: Ok.
[07:28] Jen Iadyl is online.
[07:28] Sunshine (szavanna): remember Bleu it was telling you "wait a moment"
[07:28] Puff Klang is online.
[07:28] Bleu (bleu.oleander): ha!
[07:28] Bleu (bleu.oleander): very impatient
[07:28] Sunshine (szavanna): but never actually stopped waiting lol
[07:28] Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): welcome eliza :)
[07:28] Sunshine (szavanna): welcome Liz ♥
[07:29] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ♥ ♥ ♥
[07:29] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ♥ ♥ ♥
[07:29] Sunshine (szavanna): you just missed Lila ;o)
[07:29] Bleu (bleu.oleander):  ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
[07:29] Bleu (bleu.oleander): I stole your hearts ... hehe
[07:29] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): that seems to happen ;-)
[07:29] Puff Klang is offline.
[07:29] Sunshine (szavanna): looking so beautiful :)
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[07:30] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): five looks pretty
[07:30] Bleu (bleu.oleander):  ♥
[07:30] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so, you were impatient for clarity, Bleu?
[07:30] Sunshine (szavanna): ahh now I get it - she stole our hearts hehe
[07:30] Bleu (bleu.oleander): hehe
[07:30] Sunshine (szavanna): well that happened long time ago
[07:30] Sunshine (szavanna): °͜°
[07:30] Eliza (eliza.madrigal) smiles, true
[07:31] Bleu (bleu.oleander): haha!
[07:31] Sunshine (szavanna): °͜°
[07:31] Bleu (bleu.oleander)   ⊱ smiles ⊰
[07:31] Sunshine (szavanna): °͜°
[07:31] Sunshine (szavanna): hmm so Liz since you were not here yesterday
[07:31] Sunshine (szavanna): would u like to tel us about your work
[07:31] Sunshine (szavanna): exhibit
[07:31] Bleu (bleu.oleander): ah nice
[07:32] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): was nice to read the thoughtful comments from others
[07:32] Ari (arisia.vita): speaking of stolen hearts, my wife needs my help for a bit so I will say be well and happy and hope to see you all again soon...
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[07:32] Bleu (bleu.oleander): can add to the wiki conversation
[07:32] Ari (arisia.vita): it was great being here
[07:32] Sunshine (szavanna): ok Ari °͜° thanks for your help
[07:32] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) Ari
[07:32] Ari (arisia.vita): keep smiling...
[07:32] Bleu (bleu.oleander): ok take care Ari
[07:32] Sunshine (szavanna): see you soon °͜°
[07:32] Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): bye ari
[07:32] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): okay sure :::zooms in on book::::
[07:32] Ari (arisia.vita): bye for now
[07:32] Ari (arisia.vita) is offline.
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[07:33] Sunshine (szavanna): there it is °͜°
[07:33] Bleu (bleu.oleander): zooms in :)
[07:33] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): impressive book
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[07:33] Storm Nordwind is online.
[07:33] Bleu (bleu.oleander): love what you wrote Eliza
[07:33] Sunshine (szavanna): can you read it ok?
[07:34] Puff Klang is online.
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[07:34] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): prett well....
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[07:34] Sunshine (szavanna): ops sorry °͜°
[07:34] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so the piece is about gaming obviously, but more than that it is about dichotomies and push and pull, interactions...
[07:34] Sunshine (szavanna): I mis-clicked °͜°
[07:34] Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes, I can read it
[07:34] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and also seeing through those playfully
[07:34] Sunshine (szavanna) listens
[07:35] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I got to thinking about how in games sometimes people get really intense and emotional
[07:35] Zen (zen.arado) is online.
[07:35] Sunshine (szavanna): I love Liz's haiku-ish style
[07:35] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and stomp away or feel very insulted...
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[07:35] Sunshine (szavanna): true
[07:35] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and how years later we laugh about that...
[07:36] Bleu (bleu.oleander): hey Storm :)
[07:36] Sunshine (szavanna): so true
[07:36] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): about how silly we were about the Monopoly game or whatever
[07:36] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) Hi Storm
[07:36] Sunshine (szavanna): hi Stormy °͜°
[07:36] Storm Nordwind: Announcement: Bieup sim is now fully operational :)
[07:36] Bleu (bleu.oleander): yay!!!
[07:36] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yay! thanks >whew<
[07:36] Sunshine (szavanna): YAY
[07:36] Sunshine (szavanna): lets goooo
[07:36] Sunshine (szavanna): °͜°
[07:36] Bleu (bleu.oleander): ok
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[07:36] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): okay :)
[07:36] Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): thx storm

07 January 2013

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zenji
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Zen
Zen Arado: Hi all
Zen Arado: where were you all?
Bleu Oleander: at Kira
Bleu Oleander: sim was down

Zen Arado: still?[07:37] Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): field trip in a world of books
[07:37] Bleu (bleu.oleander): was a half hour ago yes
[07:37] Storm Nordwind entered the region (64.55 m).
[07:37] Sunshine (szavanna): °͜°
[07:38] PaB Listener Master whispers: The session has not yet been claimed by a Guardian.
[07:38] Sunshine (szavanna): hi Zenji °͜°
[07:38] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) Yaku
[07:38] Zen (zen.arado): Hi Sunji :)
[07:39] Sunshine (szavanna): ah feeling all better now that the Pagoda is back in action
[07:39] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): just to finish, the poem I wrote was playful itself... the rhythm is a little like hopscotch if you listen :) want me to post it here?
[07:39] Bleu (bleu.oleander)   ⊱ smiles ⊰
[07:39] Zen (zen.arado): sure
[07:39] Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes
[07:39] Zen (zen.arado): I was just doing a poetry exercise
[07:39] Zen (zen.arado): learning slant rhyme
[07:40] Sunshine (szavanna): yes please °͜°
[07:40] Bleu (bleu.oleander): what's that?
[07:40] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): (this is from the Clarity project which I despised missing yesterday even for good reasons ) :)
[07:40] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Clearly Playing
by Eliza

Aswirl in Causes
and Conditioning, we
meet in in dynamic play

Clashing, Crashing
Seriously, Lightly, we
choose over and over

Again, who hasn't thrown
their pieces down, or
given themselves
Up

What were we really
deciding?

Two matches two
matches three, then
Roll

Knock you off
kilter, then you capture
me

Hide and Seek
Catch and Go
King chase Queen

and
Stop.

[07:40] Bleu (bleu.oleander): very nice!
[07:40] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): (must have pasted from an early notecard - one too many 'in's)
[07:40] Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)
[07:41] Bleu (bleu.oleander): read right over that :)
[07:41] Sunshine (szavanna): ah I was wondering about that "in"
[07:41] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): games are meant to be fun, and taking ourselves lightly is part of that
[07:41] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): [end]
[07:41] Bleu (bleu.oleander) Applauds  ☆*¨¨*:•.•:¸.·'´★
[07:41] Zen (zen.arado): nice poem
[07:41] Sunshine (szavanna): I love the poem Liz ❤
[07:41] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): thanks for including me, thoughtful of you
[07:41] Sunshine (szavanna):                    |
[07:41] Sunshine (szavanna):                \   |    /
[07:41] Sunshine (szavanna):           `.   \  '   /   .'
[07:41] Sunshine (szavanna):             `. .-*""*-. .'
[07:41] Sunshine (szavanna):      "*-._ /.*"  "*.\ _.-*"
[07:41] Sunshine (szavanna):              : <o>  <o> ; ____
[07:41] Sunshine (szavanna):     ------   :    ..    ;
[07:41] Sunshine (szavanna):      _.-*" \ `.__.' / "*-._
[07:41] Sunshine (szavanna):             .' `-.__.-' `.
[07:41] Sunshine (szavanna):             .'   /   .  \   `.
[07:41] Sunshine (szavanna):                /    |   \
[07:41] Sunshine (szavanna):               '     |    `
[07:42] Zen (zen.arado): they make us write poems about all sorts of things
[07:42] Zen (zen.arado): not just spiritual things
[07:42] Art of Being Clarity - December 2012 whispers: 30 pages.
[07:42] Art of Being Clarity - December 2012 whispers: Ok.
[07:42] Art of Being Clarity - December 2012 whispers: 30 pages.
[07:42] Art of Being Clarity - December 2012 whispers: Ok.
[07:42] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ty Sun
[07:43] Sunshine (szavanna): yw °͜°
[07:43] Zen (zen.arado): we had to use a technique called a Rhyming well

Eliza Madrigal: for rhyming well?
Bleu Oleander: what do you call a form of poetry that doesn't rhyme?
Zen Arado: no for finding words that rhyme
Eliza Madrigal: free verse?
Zen Arado: close full rhymes then far out slant rhymes
szavanna Resident: not sure what its called
Bleu Oleander: slant rhymes?
--BELL--
Zen Arado: you select 4 0r 5 key words from a poem then find lots of rhyming worfs then rewrite the poem fitting some of them in
Bleu Oleander: http://www.poets.org/page.php/prmID/197
Bleu Oleander: wow didn't know so many forms
Eliza Madrigal: great page, ty
Bleu Oleander: "Blues poem" hehe
Eliza Madrigal: :)
szavanna Resident: °͜°
szavanna Resident: that sounds nice
Zen Arado: but you create your won rhymes
Zen Arado: the far out ones are great
szavanna Resident: like?
Bleu Oleander: "found poetry" sounds fun
Zen Arado: well the author starts with a word 'lascivious
Zen Arado: whcih has oblivious, cuss, muss, truss pus as near rhymes
szavanna Resident: hmm
Eliza Madrigal: hm
szavanna Resident: ;p
Zen Arado: far out ones are carniverous, villanous, caribous, lassitude
Zen Arado: get the idea?
szavanna Resident: scratches head
Eliza Madrigal: groovy
Zen Arado: villainous
szavanna Resident: ( actually I went to English class today °͜°
Eliza Madrigal: :) helpful for this
szavanna Resident: so many English words - I am telling you :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
szavanna Resident: I usually use the ten words I know :)
Eliza Madrigal: don't think anyone's ever written a PaB rap song... maybe its time
Bleu Oleander: haha!
szavanna Resident: wow yes
szavanna Resident: sounds fresh °͜°
Bleu Oleander: rappers it turns out quiet a certain part of the brain when composing on the fly
szavanna Resident: we have a rapper here called Fresh
Bleu Oleander: shuts down the top down review part
Bleu Oleander: just uses the association part
Eliza Madrigal: they found a way to bypass the censor I guess
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bleu Oleander: interesting eh?
Eliza Madrigal: very
szavanna Resident: what do you call those rap competitions?
Bleu Oleander: rap competitons
Eliza Madrigal: lol
szavanna Resident: like the ones in the Eminem movie
Bleu Oleander: haha!
szavanna Resident: hehe
Zen Arado: Leaving Inishmore Rain and sunlight and the boat between them Shifted whole hillsides through the afternoon – Quiet variations on an urgent theme Reminding me now that we left too soon The island awash in wave and anthem. Miles from the brimming enclave of the bay I hear again the Atlantic’s voices, The gulls above us as we pulled away – So munificent their final noises These are the broadcasts from our holiday.
szavanna Resident: isn't it a "rap-off" or something?
Eliza Madrigal: that was my thought at first Sun
Zen Arado: that's from the start of a Paul Muldoon poem
Zen Arado: see the far off rhymes?
Zen Arado: sorry Michael Longley
Eliza Madrigal: them... theme.... anthem ?
Zen Arado: yes
szavanna Resident: :)
Zen Arado: voices noises
Eliza Madrigal: not sure where the slants are....
Zen Arado: with some full rhymes too
Zen Arado: that is slant ryyme
Bleu Oleander: you should do a poetry writing session Zen
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, I see
Zen Arado: no..I am just learning myself
Eliza Madrigal: rhyme that is off kilter :)
Bleu Oleander: would be fun to learn more
Zen Arado: some assonance
Eliza Madrigal: yes... teachign is a great way to learn
Zen Arado: yes we are learning about imagery and voice and lots of other stuff
Bleu Oleander: that's in rl Zen?
Eliza Madrigal: very few poems capture me visually... have to 'hear' them
Zen Arado: yes a university course
Zen Arado: yes I think I like the sounds better than imagery
Zen Arado: I find imagery hard to generate
szavanna Resident: I love that Liz
Bleu Oleander: what is meant by imagery?
Eliza Madrigal: it may be that it is so difficult to do well, true
Bleu Oleander: imagery created in the mind or on the page?
Zen Arado: you discover your strengths
Eliza Madrigal: but I think of poetry as music
Zen Arado: in words
szavanna Resident: :)
Bleu Oleander: so how the words look?
Zen Arado: coming up with images to put in poems
Eliza Madrigal: descriptive writing... where a writer makes you forget you are reading and you see a red barn and feel the weather
Eliza Madrigal: and you've lived there forever
Bleu Oleander: ah ok
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Bleu Oleander: there is also how a poem looks on paper, yes?
Eliza Madrigal: writing with space
Bleu Oleander: Many modern poets eschew recognisable structures or forms, and write in free verse.
Zen Arado: yes you can arrange the words into a shape like a lantern
Zen Arado: http://www.poemhunter.com/best-poems...a/ode-to-salt/
Bleu Oleander: Free verse is a form of poetry that does not use consistent meter patterns, rhyme, or any other musical pattern. It thus tends to follow the rhythm of natural speech.
Zen Arado: great imagery in that poem by Pablo Neruda
Bleu Oleander: I like to write free verse :)
Zen Arado: just about humble salt
Eliza Madrigal: me too.. can't be bothered to conform in my old age
Eliza Madrigal: :P
Bleu Oleander: ha! Eliza
Bleu Oleander: no rules, just what feels right .... kinda like I paint too
Zen Arado: but it's like anything...you have to learn the techniques so you can express yourself better
szavanna Resident: lol Liz
Eliza Madrigal: writing with space is a lot like painting maybe... or modern art generally
Bleu Oleander: yes
Eliza Madrigal: like that about O's poems
Zen Arado: most good poets hone their poems quite a lot
Zen Arado: not just written in one go
Bleu Oleander: free verse, free form ... free is good (with some hidden structure)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
szavanna Resident: this is a basmala
Eliza Madrigal: poetry is also simply fellowship
Zen Arado: the words are carefully chosen and revised
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, looks....
szavanna Resident: using words to create a painting
Bleu Oleander: nice!
Eliza Madrigal nods nods
szavanna Resident: it means "in the name of Allah the merciful"
Zen Arado: 'dust of the sea' isn't that a great image of salt?
szavanna Resident: wow yes Zenji
Bleu Oleander: yes!
szavanna Resident: dust of the sea :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: the last line..'in it we taste infinitude'
Bleu Oleander: have to go ... nice conversation everyone!
Eliza Madrigal: Hugs, Bleu
szavanna Resident: take care Bleu °͜°
Bleu Oleander: bye ... take care :)
szavanna Resident: see u soon
Zen Arado: in it we taste inf in it ude
Bleu Oleander: ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
szavanna Resident: have a fun day :)
Zen Arado: bye Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: stunning... thanks for the elaboration
Zen Arado: it was pointed out to me
Zen Arado: makes you realize the subtlety of the poem
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye for now everyone
Eliza Madrigal: bye Yaku, nice to see you
Zen Arado: bye Yaku
szavanna Resident: byebyee Yaku
szavanna Resident: I think as one learns something ..you arrive at deeper levels every class you take
Zen Arado: yes
szavanna Resident: or the more you focus on it
Eliza Madrigal: spiral around
szavanna Resident: its a natural progression
Zen Arado: learning about writing makes you appreciate the writing of others more
szavanna Resident: its like walking down a street the first time
szavanna Resident: or passing there again and again
szavanna Resident: yes
Zen Arado: I suppose like learning a musical instrument
szavanna Resident: yes of course
Zen Arado: or learning to read music
szavanna Resident: I am teaching music to the kids
Zen Arado: which I was hopeless at
szavanna Resident: and suddenly they are more interested in how I play
Eliza Madrigal: lovely
Zen Arado: yes
Zen Arado: deepening appreciation
szavanna Resident: I think this is why its good to try out as many things as you can
szavanna Resident: you will understand others better
szavanna Resident: and develop deeper connections
szavanna Resident: like the people in the group Shakti
szavanna Resident: Zakir Hussain and the others
Eliza Madrigal: I so desire to specialize.. somehow feel that my unfamilarity with things leaves me open to appreciate others' uniqueness... but, to taste is wonderful, to partake
szavanna Resident: they don't have to talk really - they just know :)
szavanna Resident: yes just to take part and test
szavanna Resident: become another person for a bit
Eliza Madrigal: it is odd to feel one has learned something for the first time and then read yourself having written it years before as if you knew.. but you know for sure you couln't have really known, but... you knew it as new then as whenver now is
szavanna Resident: Zenji I am looking into that streaming page ...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
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Zen Arado: I have another one
szavanna Resident listens :)
szavanna Resident: Zenji - wanted to show another poem?
Zen Arado: another link
Zen Arado: I sent you in IM
szavanna Resident: have it °͜°
Eliza Madrigal: so many streams :)
szavanna Resident: time to go - that was such an amazing chat
Zen Arado: kk
szavanna Resident: I hope we can get parties going soon
szavanna Resident: Please ask Storm about it