The Guardian for this meeting was Santoshima Resident. The comments are by Santoshima Resident.
Who dropped by the pool? Korel Laloix, Qt Core, Catrinamonblue, Wol Euler, Agatha Macbeth, Bruce Mowbray, and
Eliza Madrigal.

Santoshima Resident: 's current display-name is "San".
Korel Laloix: Heya
Santoshima Resident: hi
Korel Laloix: You have sort of a veil on today San?
Korel Laloix: Things are not rezzzing well for me.
Santoshima Resident: sorta
Korel Laloix: Oh OK.
Korel Laloix: Just looks a bit sparkely.
Santoshima Resident: yes, pearly dots
Santoshima Resident: how're you?
Santoshima Resident: at work?
Korel Laloix: Yes ... at work.
Santoshima Resident: { shall deduce so, as delayed reply ...}
Korel Laloix: Working on the advert for my relplacement.
Korel Laloix: Going to be tough leaving this place after ten years off and on.
Santoshima Resident: and tough to find a replacement
Korel Laloix: That is true ... but they have some time ... I don't go to my new job until the beginning of March.
Santoshima Resident: plenty
Korel Laloix: So I gave them a training time line for my replacement ... so if they follow that, it won't be bad.
Korel Laloix: If they delay ... could get messy.
Santoshima Resident: right
Korel Laloix: But ... it won't be y problem ... smiles
Korel Laloix: Heya Qt.
Santoshima Resident: hello QT
Santoshima Resident: welcome to the "Hidden Layers" wed noon session

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Catrinamonblue Resident: 's current display-name is "Catrinamonblue".
Korel Laloix: Ooo ... that sounds interesting.
Qt Core: Hi all
Korel Laloix: Heya Catrin
Santoshima Resident: {whatever that means ... HL for short}
Santoshima Resident: hi Cat :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: hi trying to sit down :)
Santoshima Resident: best luck with that
Korel Laloix: There you go.
Catrinamonblue Resident: there :)
Korel Laloix: Strange lagg today.
Santoshima Resident: yes
Qt Core: as soon i tped here sl tried to tp me away ... don't even know where!
Korel Laloix: That happens to me regularly.
Korel Laloix: Heya Wol.
Santoshima Resident: really?
Qt Core: first time for me ever
Qt Core: hi Wol
Korel Laloix: But I am lagged all the time.
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Wol
Wol Euler: evening all!
Korel Laloix: Heya AGs
Santoshima Resident: to me that only happens if i accidentally click on "favorites" at the top bar
Santoshima Resident: hi Wol
Agatha Macbeth: Yo
Qt Core: Hi Aga
Catrinamonblue Resident: HI Agatha
Agatha Macbeth: Sera QT
Santoshima Resident: yoyo Agatha, gtsy ~
Agatha Macbeth: 'I was a yoyo Buzz'
Santoshima Resident: anyone else experiencing hidden lag in the text?
Wol Euler: hidden layers of text :)
Agatha Macbeth: It seems unusually fine for me
Bruce Mowbray: 's current display-name is "Bruce".
Korel Laloix: For me, people were quick to go from clowd to grey to visible ... but very slow to see details.
Qt Core: hi Bruce
Catrinamonblue Resident: hi bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Hello!
Wol Euler: hello bruce!
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Korel Laloix: Osiyo B
Agatha Macbeth: Hello again brucie
Santoshima Resident: hey Bruce :)
Bruce Mowbray: hello!
Korel Laloix: I guess the converstaion is the hidden layer today ... smiles
Santoshima Resident: where'd you get the turkey tail, Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: did I put a damper on everything?
Korel Laloix: It looks like it.
Santoshima Resident: {let's just first get that out into the open}
Korel Laloix: Looks more like a tigerfish to me.
Wol Euler grins.
Bruce Mowbray: Bleu gave us these today at Sun's building class.
Korel Laloix: I think that is what it is called.
Santoshima Resident: very dynamic
Bruce Mowbray: yes. Bleu is an excellent designer.
Agatha Macbeth: She is too
Bruce Mowbray: does anyone know if the dream workshop - Maxine's - that usually meets that there is hour, is still meeting?
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Wol Euler: yes, we had one yesterday
Wol Euler: tuesdays
Agatha Macbeth: We were there yesterday
Santoshima Resident: seemed to be meeting on tuesday, right? 1 pm
Bruce Mowbray: Oh how that's right! it's on Tuesdays!
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Bruce Mowbray: Inauguration Day threw me off.
Agatha Macbeth: It does that
Bruce Mowbray: I'm also trying out voice recognition software and having to make a lot of corrections.
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, like Zen's?
Santoshima Resident: hearing your lovely sonorous voice, Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Yes like his, I think.
Bruce Mowbray: I'm using Dragon naturally speaking version 11.5.
Agatha Macbeth: Enter the dragon
Bruce Mowbray: I'll mind and as it relies that was coming through in Surrey is the moment
Bruce Mowbray: oooops! it is
Santoshima Resident: np Bruce, it's great
Santoshima Resident: rather than a recorded laugh
Santoshima Resident: the real deal
Bruce Mowbray laughs and laughs!
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bruce Mowbray: no wonder I put a damper on your conversation.
Santoshima Resident: oh, you didn't
Santoshima Resident: we haven't really started
Santoshima Resident: uhm
Santoshima Resident: anyone want to comment on the topic du jour?
Agatha Macbeth: What is it?
Santoshima Resident: hidden "hidden
Santoshima Resident: layers"
Bruce Mowbray: Hayden and layers.
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
Bruce Mowbray: I really need to train the software.
Qt Core: ohyh i was thinking it was going to be a building class ;-)
Santoshima Resident: exactly, Agatha

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Agatha Macbeth: We already had that QT ;-)
Santoshima Resident: did you do the art field trip?
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Agatha Macbeth: It was ... interesting
Bruce Mowbray: I just realised something: voice recognition software automatically turns on the microphone in second life.
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: That was what I heard
Bruce Mowbray: rl phone call ...
Catrinamonblue Resident: tg guys sry
Catrinamonblue Resident: see you all later :)
Qt Core: bye Cat
Wol Euler: bye cat, take care
Santoshima Resident: "interesting" as in much to say but am speechless, Agatha ... or "interesting" as in ho hum?
Bruce Mowbray: in a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a panel of a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a I went on the "field trip" and it was GREAT!
Bruce Mowbray: what!
Bruce Mowbray takes off the mic.
Agatha Macbeth: Steady Brucie
Bruce Mowbray: That thing is an ANIMAL!
Santoshima Resident: lot'sa 'a's in there ... musta been good!
Wol Euler is glad she keeps Voice turned off
Agatha Macbeth: Didn't know you were that excited Brucie
Bruce Mowbray: The problem is that the voice recognition software turns the Voice back on - automatically ...
Bruce Mowbray: so I won't be using it in SL after all.
Qt Core: not even plugged the mic, i can't do it even iif i wanted :)
Wol Euler: there is probably (hopefully) a setting for that, which you could disable
Santoshima Resident: not to worry, we'll just eavesdrop quietly
Wol Euler: Zen uses it, or something like it, and didn't have microphone troubles
Bruce Mowbray: I know. I'll talk to Zen about how it works for him.
Bruce Mowbray: Must be some hidden layer in there somewhere - that I'm not aware of.
Agatha Macbeth: WB K
Korel Laloix: Heya
Qt Core: about the hidden layers, are we speaking about the one insede or outside ourselves ?
Qt Core: *inside
Santoshima Resident: any which way you'd like to approach the topic, Qt
Korel Laloix: Ones we hide from ourselves or others?
Qt Core: and then the one we can't or wont make visible
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm. I wasn't thinking of hiding those from others ... only from myself ...
Bruce Mowbray: and "finding" them through dreams, or encounters of various sorts — perhaps through art/literature/ etc.
Bruce Mowbray is wearing lots of layers today since it is SOOOO cold.
Korel Laloix: Is it always a good thing to find layers you hid from yourself?
Korel Laloix: Maybe it is adaptive to keep them down.
Bruce Mowbray: Not until you're prepared to discover them, Kori, IMHO.
Agatha Macbeth: Depends if they are positive or negative perhaps
Korel Laloix: Very uncomfortable finding parts of yourself you thought were gone or did not know about sometimes.
Qt Core: maybe it is needed the knowledge of their existence while ignoring the details
Bruce Mowbray: Does the word "layer" imply some degree of opaqueness, though?
Santoshima Resident: implies some levels of awareness, structure
Bruce Mowbray: In other words, wouldn't most of the layers betneath the outer ones have to be hidden?

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Qt Core: i don't think, or i may just see the thing differently, it is like different top-secret levels, if you know the password (and the existence of the level) you see it clearly
Qt Core: i'm thinking most about the difference between the public and the private and the most private persona of people
Bruce Mowbray: That seems to echo what Kori was asking earlier — about the value of keeping things hidden from ourselves.
Bruce Mowbray: I don't mean "echo" actually, but along the same line.
Korel Laloix smiles
Korel Laloix: Was just tyrhing to think of my layers.
Korel Laloix: Whichone is on top and when.
Korel Laloix: OR if I even agree with that idea.
Bruce Mowbray ponders the energy one has to expend to keep the most private personas hidden. . .
Wol Euler nods
Santoshima Resident: yes
Qt Core: don't know i think it become quite easy :-) or :-( depending on what you think about that
Santoshima Resident: easy? or habituated? or same thing?
Qt Core: unconscious and mechanic
Bruce Mowbray: Learning to "prepare a face to meet the faces that I meet" (T.S. Eliot) is an important part of socialization ... not necessarily pathological. Might depend on the rigidity and/or falseness of those personas and how much we identify with them ...
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Eliza!
Bruce Mowbray: Love your wings!
Qt Core: like stopping yourself punching idiots ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello again Liz
Eliza Madrigal: 's current display-name is "Eliza".
Santoshima Resident: hi Eliza :)
Wol Euler: ah, hello again Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi everyone
Wol Euler: duty done? :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)

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Bruce Mowbray: Seems to me that humans spend the first two years learning which layers to hide ... and then it days 20 years of therapy to un-hide them ...
Bruce Mowbray: not TWO year! Twenty years.
Bruce Mowbray: afk for a sec.
Agatha Macbeth: The software doesn't know zeros it seems
Wol Euler: perhaps "two" sounds like "twenty" in that accent :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
Agatha Macbeth: If it can understand Zen's accent it can understand anyone surely? ;-)
Wol Euler: keeping things hidden from oneself ... harder or easier than hiding from others? I think harder, sometimes
Wol Euler: because outside people see what you show them (and what slips through the cracks)
Bruce Mowbray: (I've taken off the mic. It's my typist who doesn't know 2 from 20.)

[ in reading the text, i see no problems with the 2 and 20s ... carry on with the voice activated typing, Bruce ... seems to work  / editors note]

Wol Euler: heheheheh
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: No a's this time anyway
Eliza Madrigal: my great grandmother used to, twice a year, do complete cleaning of the house, which meant that *everything* came outside ... furniture, everything .... then was brought back in after cleaning was done. Not too many do that now, or could.
Wol Euler: apartment dwellers like myself would have a hard time
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Wol Euler: either rent a field, and a truck to get things there, or have only what fits on the balcony
Bruce Mowbray: Wow, Eliza.
Wol Euler: did she live on or grow up on a farm, eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: when things came back in, those things that did, they were put in different places
Eliza Madrigal: she was one of 11, and no not a farm but close to rural in circumstance
Bruce Mowbray listens carefully to hear about folks who live on farms.
Xirana Oximoxi: 's current display-name is "Xirana".
Wol Euler: oops
Agatha Macbeth: Oo arr
Wol Euler: hello xir
Agatha Macbeth: Hello again Xira
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Xir!
Santoshima Resident: hi Xir
Xirana Oximoxi: hello everyone! :)
Eliza Madrigal: actually, hm, yes some of the family were farmer so likely so in a way actually
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Xiri :)
Eliza Madrigal: was just thinking of those "layers" and taking 20 years to sort through them
Eliza Madrigal: and that's what came to mind ^.^
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: (20 years seems short - nice deal if you can get it!)
Wol Euler: it would be nice to empty one's mind out and pick and choose what to let back in, and where to put it!
Agatha Macbeth: Yes it does
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: that was her dropping practice I guess
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: most of us would find many, many things that we didn't know we had
Wol Euler: I think
Wol Euler: (both emptying mind and emptying house :)
Eliza Madrigal thinks that's true
Wol Euler: "things I forgot that I had" is a hidden layer
Eliza Madrigal: "forgotten in rainy day pile"
Wol Euler: the "did I really think I would read taht clipped-out article at a future date?" pile
Eliza Madrigal giggling
Wol Euler: I have a huge one of those :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Eliza Madrigal: surely some nice surprises hidden in the layers too
Wol Euler: undoubtably. I found a chair once :)
Wol Euler: I'd forgotten that I had it
Eliza Madrigal: a whole chair?
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Agatha Macbeth: o.o
Wol Euler: a rather nice one, an Eames swivel chair
Santoshima Resident: wow
Eliza Madrigal: swivel chair no less ...
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Eliza Madrigal wants to shop at Wol's place
Agatha Macbeth: How do you lose a chair?
Wol Euler: my one really nice piece of furniture to be honest
Wol Euler: by not looking at it, Aggers
Wol Euler: it was in plain view, but I stopped looking
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Eliza Madrigal: many have lost spouses that way
Wol Euler: "things I've unconsciously decided not to look at" is anohter hidden layer
Agatha Macbeth: The lost chair syndrome strikes again
Wol Euler nods.

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Wol Euler grins and nods to Eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Time to move on I think
Eliza Madrigal: Hugs, Aggers, nice to see you today
Agatha Macbeth: Have fun with your layers
Agatha Macbeth: Hurgz
Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye Aga!!! take care:)
Wol Euler: goodnight aggers, sleep well
Wol Euler: brb, bio-break
Santoshima Resident: bye all ~ thank you
Eliza Madrigal: bye San
Xirana Oximoxi: bye San!
Bruce Mowbray: I should be scraping up some layers of supper ... so, I'll also be gone. Thanks, everyone.
Eliza Madrigal waves to Bruce, happy dining
Qt Core: bye Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: ty!
Xirana Oximoxi: bye Bruce ... I also go ... see you soon all! :-)
Eliza Madrigal: bye Xiri too :)
Wol Euler: bye bruce, bye san
Qt Core: and i'll go see wich hidden level my dreams will pick tonight ... got some weird ones lately
Eliza Madrigal: Night Qt :)
Wol Euler: goodnight qt, dream well
Qt Core: 'night all, have fun
Eliza Madrigal: you too
Eliza Madrigal: :) guess my joke wasn't funny
Wol Euler looks back to see what she missed
Eliza Madrigal: just everyone going, haha
Eliza Madrigal: now that you're back home Wol there are good films out ...
Eliza Madrigal: when was the last time you went to a theater?
Wol Euler: oh, not in years actually
Eliza Madrigal: Inception in NS?
Wol Euler: saw lots of films and TV last month, but all at home
Wol Euler: perhaps that!
Wol Euler: two and a half years
Eliza Madrigal: I'm a bit hooked on Downton Abbey myself ... better than a lot of films
Wol Euler: oooooh, yes! LOVED downton
Wol Euler: saw all of series 1 2 and 3
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: It was a surprise to me ... hven't seen season 1
Eliza Madrigal: began at 2
Wol Euler: I had it all compressed, on DVD
Wol Euler: parents were happy to watch it again with me
Eliza Madrigal: :)) better than watching qvc or news :)
Wol Euler: I don't think it's a spoiler if I predict that the "grubby little chauffer" is going to turn out to be the pride — and the saving — of the family
Eliza Madrigal: he IS a nice twist
Wol Euler: and Maggie Smith is so marvellous :)
Eliza Madrigal: she's the reason I gave it a chance
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: but I still believe in films ...
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: let me recommend one to you, "Judy Smart"
Wol Euler: saw it on the plane to Toronto
Eliza Madrigal: what did you like about it?
Eliza Madrigal: something nice about a theater's ability to suspend all the cares of life for a while and then set you free in a new way ... perhaps cathartic like my great grandmother's cleaning
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: it was a clever idea, which I won't give away, and very well carried out
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: I liked the characters, found them believable and ... say inviting
Eliza Madrigal: made a note
Wol Euler: perhaps that wasn't the right name, google doesn't seem to know that as a film
Eliza Madrigal: hm ... it is a pretty dull name, haha

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Eliza Madrigal: for a film I mean. maybe that was the character's name
Eliza Madrigal: ?
Wol Euler: "Ruby Sparks"
Wol Euler: that was the name
Wol Euler: much more imaginative :)
Wol Euler: but yes it was her name
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, sounds familiar now

Wol Euler: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1839492/

Wol Euler: (I hope that is in English for you, IMDB insists in showing it to me in German)
Eliza Madrigal: what a premise
Eliza Madrigal: and yes it is English
Wol Euler: yeah :) but it works
Wol Euler: good
Eliza Madrigal: Have you seen Purple Rose of Cairo?
Wol Euler: no, I don't know that
Wol Euler: I think
Wol Euler: but I know the story, yes; similar idea
Eliza Madrigal: :) okay, will see it
Eliza Madrigal: was nice catching up a bit today Wol, ty
Wol Euler: thank you, I enjoyed it as well
Eliza Madrigal: and Hi/Bye Kori if you return soon
Wol Euler: goodnight eliza, take care
Wol Euler looks at the time
Wol Euler: I should go too, goodnight korel!
Eliza Madrigal: Night :)

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