The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

Yakuzza Lethecus: wb :)
Bruce Mowbray: TY!
Bruce Mowbray: I need to be afk for a few seconds....
Bruce Mowbray: I am making a crock-pot dinner, and it needed to be stirred a bit.
Yakuzza Lethecus: didn´t know the device, of course the pictures on the page are making me hungry :)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: It is a "slow cooker..."
Bruce Mowbray: cooks all day and makes a nice smell in the house.
Bruce Mowbray: Well then, do you think that if I zipped the audio file along with the timer program, that it would work?
Yakuzza Lethecus: sure
Bruce Mowbray: They would then need to be unzipped into the same directory (or folder).
Yakuzza Lethecus: as long it´s a relative path
Yakuzza Lethecus: that you linked in your timer
Bruce Mowbray: yes, I will go back and check the code this weekend.
Bruce Mowbray: I'm learning Visual Basic 2010....
Yakuzza Lethecus: i really should learn some more coding too, i might
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey wester
Yakuzza Lethecus: welcome
Bruce Mowbray: I'm only learning it for recreation -- and to try to keep my OLD brain working!
Wester Kiranov: hi yaku, bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Wester. GREAT to see you again!
Bruce Mowbray: How are you feeling?
Wester Kiranov: thanks
Wester Kiranov: i'm doing ok
Bruce Mowbray: I sure hope you are avoiding this FLU that has been going around.
--BELL--
Wester Kiranov: yes - the whole family got the flu and i just got a runny nose
Bruce Mowbray: OH MY!
Wester Kiranov: but then, i've probably used up my sickness quota for this year - oh no, last year!
Yakuzza Lethecus: i am fortunatly healthy, but a coworker also got the flu
Santoshima Resident: 's current display-name is "San".
Yakuzza Lethecus: everyone was concerned with ur meningitis last year
Bruce Mowbray: I have also used up my sickness quota... and my doctor is now telling me that the flu could be fatal,.,,,,,, so I'm only in town and around other people when I absolutely HAVE to be.
Bruce Mowbray: No enclosed spaces, my doctor says.
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey san
Wester Kiranov: can't you get a flu shot? or is that not enough?
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, San!
Santoshima Resident: hey!
Wester Kiranov: hi san
Santoshima Resident: hi!
Bruce Mowbray: I have had the flu shot, but in my age group it is only 40% effective, the doc says.
Bruce Mowbray: .... but a 22-year-old woman -- in otherwise perfect health - died of the flu last week in a nearby town.
Santoshima Resident: ohe
Bruce Mowbray: So, there is a virulent strain out there.
Bruce Mowbray: A good friend of mine -- also in his 20's died of the Avian flu two years ago.
Wester Kiranov: oh no
Bruce Mowbray: So, if I seem over-cautious , that's why.
Wester Kiranov: the body is more fragile than we like to think
Bruce Mowbray: Indeed.
Bruce Mowbray: As the Buddhist would put it: "Impermanent"
Wester Kiranov: one of the scary things about the meningitis was that I honestly can't think of anything I could have done that would have decreased the chances of getting it
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I understand that, Wester.
Bruce Mowbray: I was hospitalized with Leginnaire's Disease about the same time you had menningitis....
Bruce Mowbray: and I wondered how I might have avoided that.
Wester Kiranov: i see
Bruce Mowbray: eleven days in the hospital.... my first time EVER.
Bruce Mowbray: and it took them five days to figure out what was srong with me.
Wester Kiranov: mine too - almost a month
Bruce Mowbray: wrong*
Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
Bruce Mowbray: WHOA!!!!!
Bruce Mowbray: A month!
Bleu Oleander: hiya :)
Wester Kiranov: but they found out what was wrong really quickly
Bruce Mowbray: I can't imagine that.
Bruce Mowbray: (I meant about the "month")
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Bleu!
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bleu
Wester Kiranov: hi bleu
Bleu Oleander: how's everyone?
Santoshima Resident: hello Bleu
Wester Kiranov: we're happy that we don't have flu or worse
Bruce Mowbray: I think we're all pretty good -- so far eluding the flu epidemic.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes!
Bleu Oleander: actually I may have the flu yuck!
Bruce Mowbray: OH NO!
Wester Kiranov: uh oh
Bleu Oleander: :(
Yakuzza Lethecus: :(
Bruce Mowbray: I sure hope not, Bleu.
Yakuzza Lethecus: did you at least get some snow in arizona ?
Bleu Oleander: hard to know what it is for sure
Bleu Oleander: no snow yet
Bruce Mowbray: Today I did all sorts of errand in town --- just in case I caught it.... like stocking up on groceries, medications, feul, etc.
Bruce Mowbray: errands*
Bruce Mowbray: fuel*
Bruce Mowbray: We are in the 60's today in Ohio - so all of our snow is gone.
Zen Arado: 's current display-name is "Zen".
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Zen!
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zen
Wester Kiranov: hi zen
Zen Arado: Hi everybody
Bleu Oleander: hiya Zen
Bruce Mowbray hopes Zen has not had the flu, either.
Zen Arado: ni I had a cold last week is all
Zen Arado: better now
Bruce Mowbray: so far, so good, then.
Zen Arado: I get a flu jab anyway
Santoshima Resident: hallo Zen
Bruce Mowbray: I did also, Zen, but my doctor says it is only 40% effective for folks of my age group.
Bruce Mowbray: So, taking precautions.
Zen Arado: you've destroted my faith in it now
Zen Arado: :(
Bruce Mowbray: AWWWWWW!
Bruce Mowbray: Keep the faith, Zen!
Santoshima Resident: 40% is bertter than 0
Bruce Mowbray: yeppers, it is indeed.
Zen Arado: true
Wester Kiranov: you may not be in the same age group
Zen Arado: heh I am though
Bruce Mowbray: I turned 70 last September..... and Zen is a whipper-snapper compared to me.
Zen Arado: yeh only 69 :)
Santoshima Resident: :)
Bruce Mowbray: :))))
Yakuzza Lethecus: summer of 69
Zen Arado: Woodstock :)
Bruce Mowbray remembers the movie, "Summer of 42" with Jean Seaburg. (??? -- not sure that was her name....)
Zen Arado: heh before my time ...just
Bruce Mowbray: Nope -- Jennifer O'Neil.
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067803/
Zen Arado: those were very big issues you taised in the articles Bleu
Zen Arado: raised
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, both articles --
Zen Arado: especially utilitarianism
Bruce Mowbray: "The greatest good for the greatest number"?
Bleu Oleander: sorry had a call
Bruce Mowbray: np, Bleu.
Zen Arado: it has a lot of variations too
Bleu Oleander: yes, interesting articles
Bleu Oleander: have you read any of Singer's books?
Bruce Mowbray: not I.
Zen Arado: I have read him but not his whole book
Zen Arado: or books
Zen Arado: we had to study that when I was doing philosophy
Bleu Oleander: he's very much about action
Bleu Oleander: how to move from compassion to action
Zen Arado: from principles
Bleu Oleander: reducing poverty world-wide
Zen Arado: utilitarian calculus is not real life
Bruce Mowbray listens carefully.
Zen Arado: if you try to apply it it throws up all sorts of conundrums
Zen Arado: that it is alright to sacrifice one for the many etc
Bleu Oleander: what did you think of the second article about myth of universal love
Zen Arado: Singer got in trouble for equating killing disabled children with killing animals
Bleu Oleander: yes
Zen Arado: most of us wouldn't see it thast way
Bleu Oleander: right
Zen Arado: I only skimmed them
Bruce Mowbray: I felt that the second article was somewhat restrictive -- but, nonetheless, a good place to start.
Bruce Mowbray: Start with one's close associations....
Bleu Oleander: so do you agree with his article?
Zen Arado: we don't act according to philosophical principles in RL
Bruce Mowbray: Not entirely, no.
Bruce Mowbray: I feel that a shift happens.
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: That it is possible in some way to feel love for all humankind.
Santoshima Resident: or at least not revulsion
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Zen Arado: there is a big assumption of an autonomous 'me' who can control its actions
Zen Arado: that can control
Bruce Mowbray agrees with Zen that there's a lot of subjective stuff going on.
Wester Kiranov: i do think most of us feel some kind of love for huimankind, and it is totally unnecessary to translate that to everybody being equally important
Bleu Oleander: "A recent Niagara of longitudinal happiness studies all confirm that the most important element in a good life (eudaimonia) is close family and friendship ties — ties that bind. These are not digital Facebook friends nor are they needy faraway strangers, but robust proximate relationships that you can count on one or two hands"
Santoshima Resident: and that can also be embraced by those same two hands
Zen Arado: yes that old conundrum of the burning Bishop throws that up
Bleu Oleander: what do you think about that?
Bruce Mowbray: I have NO close family and very very few friendship ties....
Bruce Mowbray: yet, I am a happy person.
Bruce Mowbray: A deeply happy person.
Santoshima Resident: :))
Bruce Mowbray: (perhaps an exception to the rule, though).
Zen Arado: we act according to our wants and needs and innate things
Zen Arado: not logical principles
Bruce Mowbray: My happiness is surely not based on logic!
Bleu Oleander: there was an interesting article on Viktor Frankl
Bleu Oleander: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...-happy/266805/
Zen Arado: if there is no 'me' a lot of these 'problems' drop away
Wester Kiranov: logic is a beautiful thing, but it needsto know its place
Zen Arado: they are caused by conceptual paradoxes
Bleu Oleander: he talks about finding meaning as greater than seeking happiness
Zen Arado: it is waht we perceive not what we conceive that is important
Santoshima Resident: 's current display-name is "San".
Bruce Mowbray bookmarks the Frankel article for viewing later...
Bleu Oleander: how we find meaning
Bleu Oleander: we have a salon on Frankl coming up next week
Bleu Oleander: on this subject
Bruce Mowbray: I would agree strongly with that, Bleu -- How we "find meaning" is more important... actually, perhaps, it is the source of inner happiness.
Bruce Mowbray: Wow!
Zen Arado: why?
Zen Arado: what is 'meaning?'
Santoshima Resident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at8jUWoyBeQ / watch for the rat crossing the sidewalk 1:28 minutes into the clip
Santoshima Resident: musical interlude only
Zen Arado: will watch at break San
Bleu Oleander: a psychologist who was a friend of Frankl's is going to talk with us and show a film on him
Santoshima Resident: good
Zen Arado: perhaps realizing there is no meaning is a source of happiness
Zen Arado: or stopping looking for something that isn't there
Bleu Oleander: I think we make our own meaning
Zen Arado: yes we sure do
Zen Arado: I think reality carries on regardless of our meaning though
Zen Arado: shrugs it aside ;)
Bleu Oleander: yes, but it helps to find some meaning for ourselves
Bruce Mowbray: (AHHH! I just saw the rat crossing the sidewalk!)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Zen Arado: it might make us feel better
Bruce Mowbray: :))
Bleu Oleander: that's a good thing
Santoshima Resident: :)
Bruce Mowbray: What I call "meaning" is a framework...
Zen Arado: you missed the monkey though Brruce ;)
Bleu Oleander: ha!
Bruce Mowbray: a series of often contradictory lenses through which I vew the world.
Bruce Mowbray: Nothing logical about it, actually.
Bruce Mowbray: HA HA!
Bruce Mowbray: I saw that gorilla in those videos, other ones!
Santoshima Resident: moving within the frame of rhythm, harmony, beauty, fluity
Santoshima Resident: that lucky rat
Santoshima Resident: we lucky rats
Santoshima Resident: fluity = fluidity
Bruce Mowbray: so many frames....
Zen Arado: guess we are meaning generators
Santoshima Resident: indeed, inherited
Bruce Mowbray: My dream-life (sleeping) tends to mix up the frames.
Zen Arado: if we can see them as just useful
Wester Kiranov: can't we find meaning in moving between frames?
Zen Arado: yeh
Bruce Mowbray: Excellent question, Wester.
Bleu Oleander: sure
Zen Arado: best way
Bruce Mowbray needs to go now. THANK YOU, all!
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: bye Bruce
Wester Kiranov: bye bruce
Zen Arado: kk byee Bruce
Santoshima Resident: thank you Bruce ~ bye!
Bleu Oleander: take care all
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bruce
Yakuzza Lethecus: and bleu
Bleu Oleander: bye
Santoshima Resident: bye Blue, gtsy :)
Wester Kiranov: i think i'm going too
Zen Arado: Byee Bleu
Santoshima Resident: so long Wester !
Zen Arado: byee Wester
Wester Kiranov: getting a bit tired
Yakuzza Lethecus: good night wester
Wester Kiranov: bye!
Santoshima Resident: sweet dreams
Yakuzza Lethecus: i am already on the 2nd video with bryson andres
Yakuzza Lethecus: the street musician
Santoshima Resident: :)
Zen Arado: yeh saw the tiny rat
Zen Arado: nice playing too
Yakuzza Lethecus: good night zen and san
Santoshima Resident: ok, i'll go build something while it's sunny ~ take care all
Zen Arado: nite Yaku, San
Santoshima Resident: nite