2014.02.09 07:00 - Legs, Leggy, Legos

The Guardian for this meeting was Bleu Oleander. The comments are by Bleu Oleander.

Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
Eliza Madrigal: 's current display-name is "Eliza".
Bleu Oleander waves hi to Eliza
Bleu Oleander: pretty in red :)
Eliza Madrigal: Morning :) Thank you.... toes not quite staying in shoes, but... we do our best
Bleu Oleander: he he
Bleu Oleander: how are u?
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: doing well ... creative surges here and there, nice night with my son yeserday... so, good :)
Eliza Madrigal: And you?
Bleu Oleander: nice!
Bleu Oleander: I'm good
Bleu Oleander: lovely day here
Bleu Oleander: warming up to near 80
Eliza Madrigal: that's lovely if dry, or nicely breezy
Bleu Oleander: dry and breezy
Eliza Madrigal: I think that's what made the evening so lovely... not only did we see a surprisingly great film, but then ate outside by a lake...
Bleu Oleander: having brunch outside later
Eliza Madrigal: fireplace
Bleu Oleander: what film?
Eliza Madrigal: wonderful :)) yes that's the best
Eliza Madrigal: Well, if you had a hat I'd say hold on...
Eliza Madrigal: it was...
Eliza Madrigal: "The Lego Movie"
Eliza Madrigal: :)))
Bleu Oleander: :) not heard of that one
Eliza Madrigal: you know, I usually let them go to animated things with their dad, unless anime, but this was a real out-of-nowhere treat
Bleu Oleander has to get out more lol
Bleu Oleander: will look into that
Eliza Madrigal: Lego Matrix, hah
Bleu Oleander: do you need to experience it through the eyes of children?
Eliza Madrigal: not at all... actually I think most of the kids in the audience were too young for it
Eliza Madrigal: not in the sense of offensiveness, but just not quite conceptually adept enough
Bleu Oleander: ok will look into it
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: thanks!
Eliza Madrigal: most welcome... more fun than I thought. We would like to see Monuments Men too, but... hm.. so many films of interest now
Bleu Oleander: yes soooo much to see and do . . . gets overwhelming
Eliza Madrigal: indeed, many worlds to juggle
Eliza Madrigal: So, is there an occasion for the brunch?
Bleu Oleander: just friends who want to pick our brains about NYC
Eliza Madrigal: you are the local trip guide?
Bleu Oleander: and generally enjoy the beautiful weather
Bleu Oleander: our friends think of us as experts on NYC :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles... not a bad title
Bleu Oleander: i'll take it lol
Eliza Madrigal: trouble is, after you talk with them... you'll want to get on a plane
Bleu Oleander: I do now!!!!
Bleu Oleander: although I can miss the snow
Eliza Madrigal: know the feeling... am a bit restless myself :)
Bleu Oleander: its been really really cold back there
Eliza Madrigal: watching bits of the Olympics... snow... would be good to learn snowbarding
Eliza Madrigal: does anyone ski anymore? :)
Bleu Oleander: yes, my family does
Bleu Oleander: I used to do all those winter sports
Bleu Oleander: I really loved skating
Eliza Madrigal: love ice skating too
Bleu Oleander: tobogganing
Eliza Madrigal: there are amazing russian skaters this year... takes one's breath away to watch
Bleu Oleander: yes always amazing to watch
Bleu Oleander: haven't seen any of it yet ... been so busy
Eliza Madrigal nods.... have been catching bits, but even missed opening ceremonies
Bleu Oleander: yes me too
Eliza Madrigal: still, it is so inspiring
Eliza Madrigal: entire being honed... so precise
Bleu Oleander: indeed
Bleu Oleander: so I came across a beautiful poem
Eliza Madrigal listens
Bleu Oleander: Ithaca by Cavafy ... know it?
Eliza Madrigal: I don't
Eliza Madrigal: yet ^^
Bleu Oleander: 20th C greek poet
Eliza Madrigal: an epic?
Bleu Oleander: http://www.cavafy.com/poems/content.asp?cat=1&id=74
Bleu Oleander: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n3n2Ox4Yfk
Bleu Oleander: a spoken version
Bleu Oleander: not very long
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you! You know the road to Ithaca is common as an expression and reference, but sometimes it is startling to realize one has never read the source
Bleu Oleander: I've recently read the Odyssey
Bleu Oleander: I was amazed by it
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: Homer, who ever he was, one or many, was amazing for his time
Bleu Oleander: hey Aggers
Agatha Macbeth bleuandlizhugs
Bleu Oleander: nice leopardness
Eliza Madrigal: I can't quite grasp how these materials come through - sight so vast and intricate at once - such a grace
Eliza Madrigal: /rwar
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Agatha Macbeth: Would be even nicer if it would rez properly
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aggers :)
Eliza Madrigal: you are rezzed for me
Agatha Macbeth: Has any else found SL slow and odd the last couple of days?
Eliza Madrigal: YES
Agatha Macbeth: Pain in the arse
Bleu Oleander: not any worse than usual for me
Eliza Madrigal: lines skipping all about... going where they wish
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: I was at a meeting last night and half the avs were grey
Eliza Madrigal: a woman I spoke to a few weeks ago talked about her current creative endeavor and said the vision was "downloaded into her brain" I love that
Bleu Oleander: I think graphics cards get out of date
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, I not long updated mine!
Eliza Madrigal: my computer is showing its first signs of "please be more gentle with me"
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Bleu Oleander: so no excuse for you then, just bad karma :)
Agatha Macbeth: Could be
Eliza Madrigal: pixel karma
Bleu Oleander: lol
Agatha Macbeth: Karma chameleons
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Come and go
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder where Boy george is now?
Bleu Oleander: so I was talking about a poem I just came across
Bleu Oleander: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n3n2Ox4Yfk
Agatha Macbeth listens
Bleu Oleander: very beautiful
Bleu Oleander: was read at Jackie O's funeral
Eliza Madrigal: "not expecting Ithaca to make you rich"
Eliza Madrigal: ah, lovely
Bleu Oleander: the richness is in your experiences
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: funnily I wrote something yesterday, and Jackie had a prominent voice in it
Eliza Madrigal: not ready for prime time, but there is something she said, that played in my mind for many years... kind of defining me in some ways
Eliza Madrigal: about raising children "If you bungle raising your children I don't think that anything else really matters."
Eliza Madrigal: has taken me 22 years to 1> read her direct quote, and 2> question it :)
Bleu Oleander: what are your thoughts on questioning it?
Eliza Madrigal: so many... it is impossible not to bungle, first of all
Eliza Madrigal: yes... I thought she was saying, and do.. that if you choose to be a parent, treat it like the high calling it is...
Eliza Madrigal: haven't thrown out that part
Bleu Oleander: I think the poem is saying the opposite in a way
Eliza Madrigal: but... easy to take the image of "good parent" to extremes
Eliza Madrigal: regarding living
Eliza Madrigal: YES, Bleu
Eliza Madrigal listens
Bleu Oleander: if you finds your goals not reached, its in the journey that the meaning lies
Bleu Oleander: not important that it all turn out perfect
Eliza Madrigal nods...
Eliza Madrigal: and perfect changes
Bleu Oleander: moving target
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal: Jackie is one of those figures sort of calcified into an image
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Bleu Oleander: Odysseus wanted to go home, but it was the journey that gave him wisdom and experience
Eliza Madrigal: I thought she was my real mother when little for a while lol
Bleu Oleander: funny!
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Bleu Oleander: Camelot kinda fell apart
Agatha Macbeth: Blame Mordred
Eliza Madrigal: things do... fall apart
Bleu Oleander: plenty of blame to go around lol
Eliza Madrigal: maybe that is a heart of the poem too... why you can't store up the treasures, but appreciate the experiences
Bleu Oleander: indeed
Agatha Macbeth: True
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: but along the way stop to collect fine things and gather knowledge ... our goals give us a marvelous journey
Eliza Madrigal: fine things :)
Bleu Oleander: beauty
Agatha Macbeth: Agreed
Agatha Macbeth: But no beast :p
Eliza Madrigal: oh, she's in there
Eliza Madrigal: >hahaha<
Bleu Oleander: well, have to kiss a few beasts lol
Agatha Macbeth: I try not to
Eliza Madrigal: for sure :)
Bleu Oleander: ha ha!
Agatha Macbeth: Just mute em
Eliza Madrigal: you don't now they are beasts til the morning
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: *know
Agatha Macbeth wonders what Liz has been up to
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Eliza Madrigal: Liz is way more interesting in her mind palace
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, maybe I should visit sometime...
Bleu Oleander: I think we do :)
Eliza Madrigal: Vera Wang school.. she keeps herself boring hoping to chanel the color into her work
Eliza Madrigal: :) Bleu
Agatha Macbeth: One way of doing it
Eliza Madrigal: yes we are intterlinking mind palaces full of treasure
Bleu Oleander: indeed
Agatha Macbeth: Mine's a bit dusty I think
Eliza Madrigal: what would help? open windows?
Bleu Oleander: thats what we do here
Agatha Macbeth: That's why I have a dirty mind <chortle>
Eliza Madrigal: precisely
Eliza Madrigal: haha, both
Bleu Oleander: lol
Eliza Madrigal: at dinner last night we were talking about architecture... Wol sent me an interesting link to a garage built here in Miami, that is designed with such vision
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Eliza Madrigal: and my son was saying that he felt the "blank sheet" version of creativity is not true
Agatha Macbeth: Interesting
Bleu Oleander: what is the blank sheet version?
Eliza Madrigal: he said... because one doesn't want to mess it up... too perfect
Eliza Madrigal: blank slate
Eliza Madrigal: or canvas
Bleu Oleander: what does that mean?
Eliza Madrigal: well for me this cuts against the grain of the way "beginners mind" is spoken about...
Eliza Madrigal: but hm, it is hard to articulate his point... which was actually a techie one about the design of creative tools
Eliza Madrigal: such as for ipad, drawing and such
Eliza Madrigal: "where to begin"
Bleu Oleander: not sure what you are saying
Eliza Madrigal: :) sorry
Bleu Oleander: could be me ha ha
Bleu Oleander: goes for second cup of coffee
Eliza Madrigal: nah, not baked yet
Eliza Madrigal: I have trouble articulating his ideas... but there is something there that I'd like to
Eliza Madrigal: about not falling into formulas
Agatha Macbeth: I've noticed ideas sometimes spring to mind fully formed without going through a 'step by step' process perhaps that's what he's referring to
Eliza Madrigal: which I do :)
Bleu Oleander: some of creativity is designed into the tools? directed by the design of the tools?
Eliza Madrigal: that maybe the default of blank page should not be a given
Eliza Madrigal: an example come to mind Aggers?
Bleu Oleander: kinda like language colors the expression of our thoughts?
Agatha Macbeth: Can't think of one off my head, but they do happen
Eliza Madrigal: hm, yes, and yet without 'any' material there...any thoughts, hard to play freely and not treat the process as too fragile
Eliza Madrigal nods Aggers
Agatha Macbeth: Lady in red
Eliza Madrigal: people were designing buildings for a while, that were soooo, blank - thought to free up mind space
Eliza Madrigal: no directedness or guidance
Eliza Madrigal: or as close to that as possible
Bleu Oleander: no distractions theory?
Eliza Madrigal: yes
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander loves distractions (in the good way)
Eliza Madrigal: thought about this a lot with the aesthetics of 'her' and kept asking myself "what IS it"
Bleu Oleander: "it" ?
Eliza Madrigal: in the film, tech was really integrated... voice made sense because there was no "please repeat or try again" interrupting the flow
Eliza Madrigal: and there weren't a lot of ads..
Eliza Madrigal: or a lot of cars
Agatha Macbeth: Must be nice
Eliza Madrigal: all the things that I tend to think are getting in the way of creativity
Eliza Madrigal: but, it was 'wrong' somehow
Eliza Madrigal: so muted
Bleu Oleander: never thought of cars getting in the way of creativity before
Eliza Madrigal: ah, come to Miami :)
Bleu Oleander: ads yes, but I don't watch TV
Eliza Madrigal: city designed for cars not people
Agatha Macbeth: I'll take the weather :p
Eliza Madrigal: well ads are everywhere
Bleu Oleander: well Phoenix too
Eliza Madrigal: sign sign everywhere a sign :)
Bleu Oleander: its all part of the culture and culture has always influenced creativity
Agatha Macbeth: It's a sign
Eliza Madrigal: I do think you have, and PaB has a lot to do with my not falling too far into platitude traps at times
Eliza Madrigal: got a FB meme the other day about "usually regretting words but not silence" and it aggravated me to no end.. wasn't sure why, lol
Eliza Madrigal: maybe reminded me of Amy's husband :)
Bleu Oleander: doesn't make sense to me
Bleu Oleander: one can regret words or silence
Agatha Macbeth: I think there's a right time for both
Eliza Madrigal: no desire to live a cliche'd spiritual life, want the direct investigation
Eliza Madrigal: hmmm, yes
Agatha Macbeth: The trick is knowing which
Bleu Oleander: had a salon the other night with a holocaust survivor
Eliza Madrigal listens
Bleu Oleander: speaking of silence
Bleu Oleander: he was 7
Bleu Oleander: amazing story
Eliza Madrigal: can you share a little?
Bleu Oleander: a friend of ours made a film about him
Bleu Oleander: they showed the film and we had q and a with him and the film makers
Bleu Oleander: he has managed to make a wonderful life for himself
Bleu Oleander: inspite of his early years in the camps
Eliza Madrigal nods.. think that is often the case, which is rather astounding when one thinks about it
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bleu Oleander: he said it was important to remember so we don't do it again
Bleu Oleander: but I would say that we are still doing it
Eliza Madrigal: have heard many stories... have a museum here where there is almost always a survivor who volunteers to be there and talk to people
Eliza Madrigal: yes? what are you thinking of particularly?
Bleu Oleander: so in many ways haven't learned our lessons
Eliza Madrigal: think that's true
Eliza Madrigal: so much to unpack
Bleu Oleander: can point to any number of spots around the world
Bleu Oleander: included the way we deal with the poor in our country
Eliza Madrigal: yes, and increasingly moreso
Bleu Oleander: yes
Eliza Madrigal: odd to think we can know so much and not be able to live what we know as a collective
Bleu Oleander: the 1% and the rest of us
Bleu Oleander: yes!
Bleu Oleander: we know better!
Eliza Madrigal nods
Bleu Oleander: but what stops us from action?
Eliza Madrigal: a bit of the answer may be in the lego movie actually... hehehe
Bleu Oleander: say more?
Bleu Oleander: legos save the world?
Eliza Madrigal: well,they are the world
Agatha Macbeth: Yay Lego rocks
Eliza Madrigal: and ... hm.. really have to see it
Bleu Oleander: one person/relationship at a time
Bleu Oleander: be the change you want to see
Eliza Madrigal: but it is the leap to actual implementation of high vision
Eliza Madrigal: which is so hard... everyone is individually creative
Eliza Madrigal: or trapped into more root mode within roles
Bleu Oleander: inspite of their cars :)
Eliza Madrigal: and how to loosen that hold
Eliza Madrigal: hahahhaa
Eliza Madrigal: yeah
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: *robot not root
Bleu Oleander: was pondering root mode :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/07/showbi...ie-reviews-ew/
Bleu Oleander: "throw out the manuals and follow the lead of your own ingenuity, improvising new combinations for the building blocks in front of you"
Eliza Madrigal: would be hard to link in words, how this relates to learning the lessons of the holocaust but it is there
Eliza Madrigal: builders in SL would really relate to it too :))
Agatha Macbeth: Builders' brewery
Bleu Oleander: artists help us see new ways
Bleu Oleander: well have to go
Bleu Oleander: so nice being with you both
Agatha Macbeth: Doggie time?
Bleu Oleander: brunch time
Agatha Macbeth: Even better :p
Bleu Oleander: :P
Eliza Madrigal: :)) have a wonderful brunch Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: thanks so much
Bleu Oleander: have enjoyed our conversation as always!
Bleu Oleander: take care and have a wonderful day
Agatha Macbeth: Lego talk
Eliza Madrigal: me too!
Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
Agatha Macbeth: ♥
Bleu Oleander: ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
Bleu Oleander: byeee
Eliza Madrigal: bfn
Agatha Macbeth: Take care
Agatha Macbeth: Great legs :)
Eliza Madrigal: love the outfit she's wearing... yes :) it is a bit ice skatey... but dark
Agatha Macbeth: I like her better dark actually hehe
Eliza Madrigal grins
Agatha Macbeth: That's nice hair btw
Eliza Madrigal: thanks... do like it.. but would like it to move more
Agatha Macbeth: Goes with your skin well
Agatha Macbeth: Oh not flexi?
Eliza Madrigal: have been playing in my inventory and so much feels antiquated...
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, well depends on the individual I think
Eliza Madrigal: but feel comfortable today
Agatha Macbeth: You look lovely
Agatha Macbeth: I got used to the mermaid tho :p
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Fishy tales
Eliza Madrigal: mermaids in kimonos on horses
Eliza Madrigal: that's what legos and SL have in common
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Agatha Macbeth: An excellent combo!
Agatha Macbeth: Ah I remember my Lego well
Agatha Macbeth: Used to have a whole town
Eliza Madrigal: yes? did you make the same things, or?
Agatha Macbeth: Buildings or planes usually
Eliza Madrigal: I made lots of houses with pools
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Agatha Macbeth: And a Zero X once heh
Eliza Madrigal: process would usually break down if I could not find the right color to finish a wall
Eliza Madrigal: Zero X?
Agatha Macbeth: A spacecraft from the first Thunderbirds film
Agatha Macbeth: Before your time :p
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: not before my time, but somehow didn't make it my way
Agatha Macbeth: Actually it would have been, late 60s
Agatha Macbeth: Just before you were born
Eliza Madrigal: yes but I have been odd in my interests... often going back when others were going forward
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: You need to find your own pace
Eliza Madrigal: oldest daughter is like that too... her friends haven't heard of the music she likes much... like Billy Joel, heheh
Eliza Madrigal: scary
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Billy Joel is good
Eliza Madrigal: http://themoth.org/posts/stories/lego-crimes <-- this is REALLY worth listening to "Lego Crimes"
Agatha Macbeth: Oh my
Eliza Madrigal: did they have the clear pieces when you were first playing with legos ? I think those came about around the time my sister was born... 1980
Agatha Macbeth: No, we had those
Agatha Macbeth: And ones which lit up too
Eliza Madrigal: really! guess I missed out
Agatha Macbeth: Should have got better by your time ;)
Eliza Madrigal: am thinking that
Eliza Madrigal: wonder what happened in the distribution lines
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe bad management :p
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: :) perhaps
Agatha Macbeth thinks of LL
Eliza Madrigal: hahah, yes so true
Agatha Macbeth: Can't believe how garbage their viewer actually is
Eliza Madrigal: needless interruption of flow, yet somehow people find a way to make beautful realities
Agatha Macbeth: Think folks will always find that
Agatha Macbeth: There to be didcovered
Eliza Madrigal: water course way
Agatha Macbeth: Course ;)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: have so enjoyed this time... but biology homework calls
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Eliza Madrigal: yeah... not sure what I was thinking... giggles
Agatha Macbeth: Best of luck with biology
Eliza Madrigal: pretty :))
Eliza Madrigal: leggy leggy leggy
Agatha Macbeth: Just don't try building a monster
Eliza Madrigal: bfn :)
Agatha Macbeth: TC
Eliza Madrigal: hahahhaa.... the beast within
Eliza Madrigal: hugs
Agatha Macbeth: *hug*</chortle>