The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bruce
Bruce Mowbray: hey, Yaku!
Bruce Mowbray: I see you've found the cookie jar!
Bruce Mowbray: OH! Sry -- Didn't realize you were in voice.
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, but i have the cookie for weeks
Bruce Mowbray: I've turned on my sounds now.
Bruce Mowbray: (would you please repeat what you said?)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes!
Bruce Mowbray: The marijuana law.
Bruce Mowbray: Also in Washington State.
Bruce Mowbray: (But storm lives in Colorado, of course.)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: Understood!
Yakuzza Lethecus: well, i didn´t think that law would actually make it in the usa, in which state ever :)
Bruce Mowbray: Only two states so far... but it brings in a lot of tax dollars for the state that has it.
Bruce Mowbray: (Of course, it is illegal to take the stuff out of the state where it is legal.... but who's going to kow that?)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, extra tourism, good for the states who have it first
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, good for a certain type of tourism, I suppose.
Bruce Mowbray: But, when I lived in Berkeley, (from 1964 to 1971, it was assumed that everyone had a "stash."
Yakuzza Lethecus: i actually never tried it and don´t plan to, but i don´t mind ppl who try or have tried
Bruce Mowbray: (My typist NEVER had a "stash"! Alas.)
Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
Bruce Mowbray: Oh I have tried it a couple of times.
Bruce Mowbray: and I do NOT like it.
Bruce Mowbray: The last time was about ten years ago,
Bruce Mowbray: and I could hardly believe how much more potent it was than the stuff we had in Berkeley 40 years before.
Bruce Mowbray: I think today's stuff is DANGEROUS.
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: or, at least that's how it seemed.
Bruce Mowbray: But I do find the subject fascinating.
Bruce Mowbray: as a sort of indicator of where society seems to be going.
Eliza Madrigal: 's current display-name is "Eliza".
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Zen and Eliza!
Zen Arado: 's current display-name is "Zen".
Zen Arado: Hi Bruce Yaku, Eliza :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: the only substances i am aware of that i consume are caffeine and a bit of alcohol
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eliza, zen
Eliza Madrigal: Hi everyone :)
Bruce Mowbray: Wise, on your part!
Santoshima Resident: 's current display-name is "San".
Zen Arado: Hi san
Bruce Mowbray: We've been talking about the new laws legalizing marijuana in Washington state and Colorado.
Santoshima Resident: hi Zen, Eliza, Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, San-ji!
Zen Arado: ah
Santoshima Resident: and Yaku!
Zen Arado: probably makes sense
Yakuzza Lethecus: because of the cookiejar in front of me, hey san :)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, that's what got us started!
Bruce Mowbray: the cookie jar!
Bruce Mowbray: (I would never have made that connection, though.)
Santoshima Resident: cookie jar = marijuana?
Bruce Mowbray: me too, San.
Bruce Mowbray: I wouldn't have made that connection.
Yakuzza Lethecus: nah, because i think the cookie jar is here since one of storms sessions ?
Santoshima Resident: not for me .. cookie jar = cokie jar
Yakuzza Lethecus: when we talk about that, but never mind
Bruce Mowbray: Aph brought it, I think.
Bruce Mowbray: I notice that5 she has permissions to change its color.
Santoshima Resident: how about those laws?
Bruce Mowbray: What do YOU think about them, San?
Santoshima Resident: haven't thought much about them ...
Santoshima Resident: from a distant perspective, must save a lot on grief for many people
Bruce Mowbray: (me neither, actually -- especially since my typist lives more than 1000 miles away from either of those states.)
Santoshima Resident: i wonder whether those gover=nements will now profit from the sale of
Bruce Mowbray: Oh yes.
Bruce Mowbray: A lot of tax revenues coming into state coffers.
Zen Arado: would be awkward for those living on borders
Zen Arado: ?
Santoshima Resident: it would seem so, Zen
Zen Arado: but marijuana in one state and smoke in another?
Yakuzza Lethecus: in germany a lot of ppl were driving to the netherlands
Santoshima Resident: (nice hat, btw)
Zen Arado: buy
Bruce Mowbray wonders if the cookie jar is on a "border."
Zen Arado: I remember being caught for underage drinking in Queensland which didn't allow drinking alcohol until 21
Santoshima Resident: ho did that go, zen?
Bruce Mowbray: (Australia?)
Santoshima Resident: w
Zen Arado: though we could go in pubs in NSW at 18
Zen Arado: weird
Zen Arado: I got a hefty fine
Zen Arado: me and friends
Eliza Madrigal: oh wow
Zen Arado: I was 19 at the time
Yakuzza Lethecus: but it´s now a positive memory having suffered through that with ur friends ?
Bruce Mowbray: My typist was scared to death of drinking (underage or otherwise), so his college friends always made him the "designated driver" at their parties.
Santoshima Resident: so close to 21, sad they couldn't make an exception
Zen Arado: no, still feel annoyed about iy :)
Bruce Mowbray: Is there a "Queensland" in Ireland, Zen?
Eliza Madrigal: I'd be interested to know how often males are penalized but not females... was only in trouble once in such a scenario... surely no fine
Bruce Mowbray: (Sorry about my ignorance.)
Eliza Madrigal: (was just a tad wild as a teen :P)
Zen Arado: no n Australia
Eliza Madrigal: but age here is 21 also
Bruce Mowbray: kk, that's what I thought.
Zen Arado: and in Victoria the pubs closed at 6 pn every day
Zen Arado: pm
Yakuzza Lethecus: In germany it´s 18.
Eliza Madrigal: ooh
Santoshima Resident: 21 years to give a toehold in life before succumbing to intoxicant
Zen Arado: changed now I believe
Yakuzza Lethecus: But when my parents were young 21 was full age for them as well. But i think pubs where open from 18 then as well.
Bruce Mowbray: What "bugs" me is folks who have so-called "religious objections" to drugs or alcohol -- but try to inflict those biases onto the rest of us.
Santoshima Resident: pubs being social places, though, families inclusive, isn't that so?
Zen Arado: but alcohol is a serious drug
Santoshima Resident: indeed
Eliza Madrigal nods
Bruce Mowbray: Everyone is surely entitled to his/her "religious" opinion, of course -- but when that becomes the law of the land -- and only for reasons of bias -- then I object.
Zen Arado: the stats reveal so much arm
Santoshima Resident: arm?
--BELL--
Zen Arado: harm
Santoshima Resident: ah
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, many folks have difficulty with alcohol.
Yakuzza Lethecus: I doubt it, a german pub "kneipe" is not family friendly
Santoshima Resident: what is "kneipe"?
Zen Arado: it's been around for so long we don't notice it's lethal nature
Bruce Mowbray: Some folks also have penut allergies, but that doesn't prompt me to proclaim "God hates peanuts!" and to ban them from public consumption.
Bruce Mowbray: peanut*
Santoshima Resident: maybe you should!
Bruce Mowbray: nope.
Santoshima Resident: at least, from air flights
Yakuzza Lethecus: http://dict.leo.org/?lp=ende&from=fx3&search=kneipe
Bruce Mowbray: Don't think so, San.
Yakuzza Lethecus: hard to translate sometimes :)
Santoshima Resident: and enclosed public places with closed ventilation systems
Yakuzza Lethecus: what i would understand of a pub
Santoshima Resident: ok, clicking
Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
Santoshima Resident: helo
Zen Arado: Hi Bleu
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bleu
Bruce Mowbray: If any individual wishes no make a choice not to consume alcohol or peanuts, then that's fine -- and honorable.
Bruce Mowbray: but to inflict that onto the rest of us for so-called "religious" reasons, well, I'm just not with that.
Zen Arado: but maybe we don't have a choice really
Santoshima Resident: the comparison of these is not equatable to me
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Bleu-ji!
Santoshima Resident: one is allergy
Santoshima Resident: often leading to death (peanuts)
Zen Arado: it is the 'done' thing often
Zen Arado: and society pressures us to consume alcohol
Santoshima Resident: one is slow self-death, by consumtion of poison
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Santoshima Resident: (alcohol)
Santoshima Resident: not comparable
Bruce Mowbray: (Then don't drink it. - - - but please don't tell the rest of us that as adults we cannot drink it and slowly poison ourselves.)
Santoshima Resident: no problem, bruce
Zen Arado: indigenous people suffer a lot
Santoshima Resident: any number of addictions with which to tear a human being apart
Bruce Mowbray: In days of old, there were such laws -- in America, anyway.
Zen Arado: ('I'm putting an anti alcohol argument just to test it)
Santoshima Resident: ok,
Bruce Mowbray: oh yes, but not everyone who eats peanuts or drinks alcohol is an addict, of course.
Zen Arado: but some are
Yakuzza Lethecus just grabbed peanuts
Bruce Mowbray: How to sort that out for the better good of the society?
Zen Arado: native Americans have little resistance to it
Bruce Mowbray: becauswe there is MUCH damage done to the society by those who ARE addicted to alcohol.
Bruce Mowbray: for sure.
Zen Arado: white people have bred resistance during thousands of years
Santoshima Resident: and much damage done by those who prifit from sales to those addicted to alcohol
Bruce Mowbray: Native Americans, yes. and also some northern Europeans, I hear (!)
Zen Arado: even so some are easily addicted
Santoshima Resident: *profit
Zen Arado: and Australian aborigines
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I've also heard that, Zen.
Zen Arado: it destroys them
Bruce Mowbray: and folks living in Sourthern ohio, as well, perhaps.
Zen Arado: oh?
Bruce Mowbray: (just kidding.)
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: a light note... a country song I heard during Grammys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjHt...fE1jPJjYF9wO_A
Zen Arado: it;s a general problem
Zen Arado: h
Santoshima Resident: yep
Bruce Mowbray: although my typist does know a few who are addicted.... but those all go to AA and are sober now.
Zen Arado: whether to legislate against things that can be seen to cause harm
Bruce Mowbray: I feel that the real issue is personal responsibility for one's behavior -- not whether substances that SOME are addicted to should be made illegal.
Bruce Mowbray: (and then to call it a "religious" matter.....)
Zen Arado: nice song
Eliza Madrigal: I used to have 'issues' with 12 step programs but now I understand them better... giving voice to the "addict" who is often a secret-keeper.. holding pain and their own voice back
Santoshima Resident: ys
Zen Arado: kinda country
Bruce Mowbray: straming?
Eliza Madrigal: yes... I used to dislike country too but it is evolving :)
Bruce Mowbray: streaming?
Zen Arado: it's alright in small doses :)
Santoshima Resident: country i like ... and hear it as a continuum from ballad tradition
Eliza Madrigal: I do like the storytelling
Zen Arado: I like Johnny Cash
Eliza Madrigal: feeling
Zen Arado: that's country?
Bruce Mowbray: (wonders why he's not hearing this country music.....)
Eliza Madrigal: yes for sure Zen
Eliza Madrigal: Bruce, I gave a link
Bruce Mowbray: oh, sry.
Zen Arado: click Eliza's link Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: not a stream...
Bruce Mowbray: I will check it out, then.
Zen Arado: we can't stream here
Zen Arado: a pab prohibition :)
Bruce Mowbray: "Follow Your Arrow...."
Bruce Mowbray: cool!
Santoshima Resident: good whisting
Yakuzza Lethecus: i wonder if storm would be more tolerant about giving streaming rights and alike now that he also isn´t here as often anymore
Zen Arado: we would become streamaholics
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Zen Arado: :)
Bruce Mowbray: "same trailer - different park" -- I love it!
Santoshima Resident: we already are!
Eliza Madrigal: he's always said it is okay on individual plots
Zen Arado: but you can't set up a stream?
Bleu Oleander: he will do it for you I think
Zen Arado: you have to ask Storm
Eliza Madrigal: he has to do it I think... maybe I'm wrong in my memory
Zen Arado: yes
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Wol-ji!
--BELL--
Wol Euler: evening all!
Zen Arado: Hi Wol :)
Santoshima Resident: hey
Bleu Oleander: hi Wol
Yakuzza Lethecus: nabend wol
Zen Arado: you'll be able to smoke marijuana now Bleu
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol :)
Bleu Oleander: in AZ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: nah, not in arizona
Zen Arado: oh
Bleu Oleander: Colorado yes
Eliza Madrigal: If you like that Bruce, how about this one... although maybe not as 'positive'
Eliza Madrigal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCP0...fE1jPJjYF9wO_A
Bruce Mowbray: Oh no! Arizona is VERY conservative.
Zen Arado: who lives in Colorado? Storm?
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bruce Mowbray clicks and listens.
Bleu Oleander: AZ not that conservative ... our legislature is for sure
Bruce Mowbray: and your governor... who just vetoed that horrible anti-gay law.
Wol Euler nods.
Bleu Oleander: phew!
Eliza Madrigal nods
Bruce Mowbray: and GOOD FOR HER!
Santoshima Resident: yes
Bleu Oleander: quite a bit of pressure for her to do that
Bleu Oleander: nothing like taking the Super Bowl away ...
Bruce Mowbray: I would think so.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: reminds me of a Christian singer I used to like
Eliza Madrigal: she's a gem... some really poignant lyrics in her songs
Zen Arado: you trying to convert us Eliza?
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: lol...
Bruce Mowbray: (Beware of blonds thumping Bibles.)
Eliza Madrigal: I've only been listening to country music as of the last few years... unless you count Keith Urban, and he's an aussie
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: and gospel meetings
Zen Arado: sees the snakes
Bruce Mowbray: sees the snakes biting the dude from Kentucky (or was that Tennessee.)
Zen Arado: it says in the bible you will become immusne to snakebites
Eliza Madrigal: Ihas been to some services like that... well, no snakes
Eliza Madrigal: but some wild services :)
Bruce Mowbray: It seems that at the very least, he could have chosen to use non-venomous snakes for his show.
Santoshima Resident: what dude?
Bruce Mowbray: The guy who died last week from snake bite... and evangelistic preacher,,,,
Santoshima Resident: which dude?
Bruce Mowbray: in either Kentucky or Tennessee.
Bruce Mowbray: I will find it for you.
Bruce Mowbray: just a sec, please.
Santoshima Resident: not urgent
Eliza Madrigal: I have to go.. taking daughter to a relay for life.. but this is sort of country too, then I let you off the hook:
Eliza Madrigal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eThY...fE1jPJjYF9wO_A
Bruce Mowbray: http://abcnews.go.com/US/snake-salva...ry?id=22542243
Zen Arado: I have to go get set up
Bleu Oleander: bye Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: clicks and saves
Eliza Madrigal: thanks everyone - sorry to miss, Zen
Wol Euler: bye zen, see you anon
Bruce Mowbray: Kentucky.
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye eliza
Eliza Madrigal: have fun
Zen Arado: byee Eliza, everyone
Bleu Oleander: bye Zen
Santoshima Resident: bye zen
Bruce Mowbray: bye good-lookin' blonde gal!
Yakuzza Lethecus: and zen
Santoshima Resident: and eliza
Wol Euler: oh, and bye eliza
Bruce Mowbray: Bye Zen!
Wol Euler listening to "The scientist" on Eliza's playlist
Bleu Oleander: have a nice weekend everyone
Wol Euler: bye bleu, take care
Bleu Oleander: byee
Wol Euler: earscritches to the doggies
Bruce Mowbray: I feel a need to "clarify" something: I am NOT opposed to the making illegal of substances that clearly are dangerous to the GENERAL public -- like heroine and other dangerous drugs. But what I resent is using religion as a "cover" for that. Come out and say that those drugs should be made illegal because they are biologically dangerous. . . Tell it like it is, not like we hear it here in southern Ohio.
Wol Euler nods.
Santoshima Resident: nods
Bruce Mowbray: heroin*]sry.
Bruce Mowbray: heroin*
Bruce Mowbray: (sry)
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes
Santoshima Resident: np, it was interesting with "heroine and other dangerous drugs"
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
Bruce Mowbray: kk, "HEroines" can also be dangerous, of course, but let's not BAN them!
Bruce Mowbray: I must be out of here before I make a TOTAL: NUISANCE of myself.
Bruce Mowbray: Thank you, Yaku-ji!
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: and Wol, and San.
Yakuzza Lethecus: thank you for being here
Santoshima Resident: bye, and so long all
Wol Euler: bye bruce! take care
Yakuzza Lethecus: gute nacht wol
Wol Euler: schlaf gut, yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: oder nachher, falls du noch nach pp gehst
Wol Euler: eher das