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2013.01.27 08:00 - Guardians Session: Layers Beneath
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No headersPresent for this guardians' session were: Agatha Macbeth : Aphrodite Macbain : Bleu Oleander : Bruce Mowbray : Catrinamonblue Resident : Eliza Madrigal : Eos Amaterasu : Lucinda Lavender : Santoshima Resident : Vorder Forder : Wol Euler : Xirana Oximoxi : Zen Arado : druth Vlodovic : stevenaia Michinaga
We went over party preparations and then dove into a discussion concerning lines between contentiousness and vigorous play, and how we as guardians might support one another in gently guilding the chat, as well as support visitors who may be used to a more combative style of communication than PlayasBeing offers.
Two topics for the next two weeks were chosen:
"satisfaction as related to enoughness or whatever"
"patience as related to balance"
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hola mi amigatars
Wol Euler: heheheh
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Wol Euler: hello eliza, aph
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi wol
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) is running out of greetings
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi all :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Good to see you all :)
Aphrodite Macbain: start again- just keep them recycling
druth Vlodovic hands out more greetings in sealed boxes
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): let me send one more reminder notice
Wol Euler: hello bleu, druth
druth Vlodovic: or try "hey all y'all"
druth Vlodovic: maybe they are staying away due to the subject
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): maybe a ladies session today ^.^
druth Vlodovic: cat fight :)
Catrinamonblue: ah not with me no :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hope not - didn't mean for it to sound contentious
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hiya Bruce
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): good to compare strategies and lines sometimes, especially when we have new guardians
Catrinamonblue: HI Bruce
Wol Euler: hello cat, bruce
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hiya, everyone!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Bruce :)
Wol Euler: brb, making tea
Aphrodite Macbain: hi Bruce
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Eos
Aphrodite Macbain: ?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi Eos
Catrinamonblue: Hi Eos
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): speaking of which ::::official warm welcome to Cat::::::
Catrinamonblue: ty :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes!!
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi Bruce and everyone! :-)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): **********Applause!!**********
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi Zen :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :))
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Beings!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): **********Applause!!**********
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hey, Zen
Eos Amaterasu: welcome, Cat!
Wol Euler cheers!
Wol Euler: hello eos
Wol Euler: and hello zen
Eos Amaterasu: much purring
Catrinamonblue: feeling warm fuzzies thanks everyone :)
Wol Euler: and xir
Zen (zen.arado): Hi all
Wol Euler looks around. did I get everyone?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi San
Wol Euler: hello san
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi San
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hi, San.
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi Wol, Zen :)
druth Vlodovic: furry san :)
Catrinamonblue: Hi San
San (santoshima): hello, can only see bruce and the land dropping off
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): you are on the edge of the two sims I think
San (santoshima): ph there you all are, hello
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Yes, San, I had a bit of trouble with the rezzing also. But then it caught up with itself.
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Shall I move down?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): So there are a few things it seemed good to discuss today but Aph would you like to say anything about party planning ongoing, first?
Aphrodite Macbain: sure
Aphrodite Macbain: the theme will be five in any way we can make it work!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hey Aggers :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Storm is going to clear out one atom of the molecule and trnsform it into our party place
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hiya, Aggers.
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hiya Agatha :)
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi Aga girl :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): excellent
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Aga
Wol Euler: hello aggers
Agatha Macbeth: Hello PaBlings :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Bleu s going to do an art as being that ties in with the theme of 5
Agatha Macbeth: Oh you made it ♥
Bleu (bleu.oleander): will be announced in feb
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): great! :-)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ah, interesting
Agatha Macbeth: Wow, laggy or what
Aphrodite Macbain: druth is working on a museum of Pabology - sort of an archive of the past 5 years with links
Eos Amaterasu: How many pabbers can fit in an atom of a molecule?
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): guess we'll find out
Eos Amaterasu: or how many pabbers can dance in ....
Aphrodite Macbain: as long as someone can screw in a lightbulb it will work
Zen (zen.arado): oh
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) laughs
Wol Euler chuckles.
Catrinamonblue: :)
druth Vlodovic: anyone who has something historical they'd like to contribute please e-mail me at druthv@yahoo.ca
Aphrodite Macbain: we are going to put on a variety show and will invite proposals
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): all sounds great
Aphrodite Macbain: could be a poem, a story of what pab means to me, a dance number, a video, a piece of theatre
Aphrodite Macbain: and we need ideas for other events - special sessions etc
Agatha Macbeth: Variety is the spice of life as they say
Zen (zen.arado): anybody got a tap dance AO?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): are there going to be theater meetings specifically?
Aphrodite Macbain: I think there will have to be Eliza
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): okay, will pay attention for that, ty
Aphrodite Macbain: Have I forgotten anything
Bleu (bleu.oleander): cake and champagne?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Aphrodite Macbain: the party s tentatively scheduled for Sunday at noon but we could make it Saturday as well. Is there anyone who cant come on Sunday?
Wol Euler: next sunday?
Aphrodite Macbain: No March 31
Aphrodite Macbain: pab's birthday is April 1
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) can't come on Saturday but Sunday is OK I think
Wol Euler: works for me, as far as I can fix a date so far ahead :)
Aphrodite Macbain: druth?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): we just have to keep reminding one another
druth Vlodovic: I can't make the sunday but can make the saturday
Catrinamonblue: I can do both days :)
Aphrodite Macbain: It will be put on a "poster"
Bleu (bleu.oleander): there will be events all 3 days, yes?
druth Vlodovic: maybe we have to stretch it over both days
Bleu (bleu.oleander): sat, sun and mon
Aphrodite Macbain: that is the idea Bleu
Agatha Macbeth: That makes sense Bleu, i think
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): okay, so everyone will get to be part of something
Aphrodite Macbain: cant come Sunday druth?
Agatha Macbeth nods @ Liz
druth Vlodovic: probably not, it's very iffy
Aphrodite Macbain: maybe we can have the party from 1-2
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): we'll each find our own openings I suppose, once things are set
Aphrodite Macbain: would that work?
druth Vlodovic: maybe a broad schedule of events like for a fair,
druth Vlodovic: the limitation would be on presenters
Catrinamonblue: Do we have idea's yet as to what events will happen on what days? Or are we repeating events each day?
Aphrodite Macbain: no not yet Cat
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): will come clearer and clearer, thanks for all your work
Aphrodite Macbain: druth, maybe you can have a special party for the opening of your museum
Catrinamonblue: do that on Sat?
druth Vlodovic: I have to finish it first, not sure i want to be around for the opening lol
Aphrodite Macbain: If anyone has an idea for an event, please let me know
Eos Amaterasu: could be some surrounding RL micro-meetups if possible
Aphrodite Macbain: next meeting is this Thursday
Bleu (bleu.oleander): thurs at 8:30 am slt?
Aphrodite Macbain: that would be nice- or Eliza you suggested a SL retreat
druth Vlodovic: drop by my place eos, you can use my wifi
Eos Amaterasu: hmm, where are you?
Wol Euler: a SL retreat at birthdaytime is a good idea IMHO
Aphrodite Macbain: druth- when can you meet on Thursday?
Agatha Macbeth: Agree with Wollie
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I will be traveling the week before, but the weekend after might be OK
Catrinamonblue: we are fine for 8:30
Eos Amaterasu: ditto w/ wollie
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): would love to do that
Aphrodite Macbain: Can the planning group meet at 8:30 on Thursday?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): ok for me
Catrinamonblue: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Moi aussi
Aphrodite Macbain: great. There yoou go druth
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) nice... shall we move on?
Aphrodite Macbain: Who can organize a RL retreat on the following weekend?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): perhaps Eos, Wol and I can meet to discuss SL retreating along the way
Aphrodite Macbain: (Apr 6,7)
Wol Euler: okay
Retreat option during festivities...
San (santoshima): would like some retreat option during the bd weekend
Aphrodite Macbain: kk- I will leave it in your capable hands wol, eliza
Aphrodite Macbain: how do you mean san?
San (santoshima): some times to sit in the retrat space
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): or perhaps San you might like to plan with Wol and Eos since I'll not be able to participate too much that weekend
San (santoshima): is what i mean
Zen (zen.arado): would be mini retreat during anniversary necessarily
San (santoshima): ok, can do, eliza
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I do like the idea of using that space more
San (santoshima): yes, short sitting times, possible
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): for smaller quiet gatherings
San (santoshima): silent
San (santoshima): yes
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so maybe we can work on both
San (santoshima): okie
San (santoshima): shall we move on?
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Aphrodite Macbain: thanks everyone
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so the topic in the session notice came from two things: 1- that we have a new guardian and it is always a good time to review/compare notes with regard to any difficulties that may arise, and 2- that there have been a few sessions lately where someone skillfully dances an edge of not being offensive but not exactly playing nice either. The thing is, provocation can be healthy too, so it is just good to discuss.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Druth brought attention to a useful link for guardians
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Guardian_Pages/Tutorials/Tips_for_Hosting_Sessions
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): this is a page for hosting, but pretty good guide for what we expect from everyone? what are the lines? can we share some of our feelings about it?
Zen (zen.arado): sometimes you can be at a meeting where there is no guardian present and hostility breaks out
Zen (zen.arado): or between guardians :)
Aphrodite Macbain: In the notecard we give people it says we should be considerate and respectful
druth Vlodovic: I was wondering if we can adopt a shorter version of this page for distribution in the introductory notecard for visitors
druth Vlodovic: give more guidance on what "considerate and respectful" and "the purposes of the meeting" means
Zen (zen.arado): seems like what we should be doing all the time anyway
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): my feeling is that it really comes from the moment and situation at hand, but that we can have a general spirit of response
Wol Euler: agreed
druth Vlodovic: in philosophy sims respectful means addressing someone's points immediately regardless of opinion and style of reply
druth Vlodovic: to simply sit and appreciate their POV is to be rude
Aphrodite Macbain: we have no control over that
Wol Euler: and yet "philosophy groups" are often among the rudest and least considerate
Wol Euler: in my experience
druth Vlodovic: they have their own ettiquette
Agatha Macbeth: 'I went to a slanging match and a philosophy debate broke out'
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
druth Vlodovic: which is my point really
Zen (zen.arado): perhaps that's from people who don't understand the nature of philosophical debate
Aphrodite Macbain: !!
druth Vlodovic: how do people know exactly what is expected of them in this context?
Aphrodite Macbain: which people? the guardians?
druth Vlodovic: visitors
Agatha Macbeth: I'm philosphical about it Zen
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): we have a general order of response I guess... which is that at first we can try to bring the conversation back nicely
Aphrodite Macbain: the guardians who are there gently remind them
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): seems the door is locked
Aphrodite Macbain: I'll go and talk to Vorder
Wol Euler: that door always is
Wol Euler: I have IMed him
druth Vlodovic: it might be better to warn people ahead of time so that they can conform to expectations and avoid being corrected, which is embarrasing
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): people can not come in
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey, Vorder!
San (santoshima): hello vorder
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Vorder :)
Aphrodite Macbain: there
Zen (zen.arado): when I studied philosophy we were given rules for debate
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hello Vorder :)
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi Vorder
Vorder Forder: hello
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi Vorder
Catrinamonblue: Hi Vorder
Zen (zen.arado): like attack people's argumenst but not their person
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Vorder
Aphrodite Macbain: nods at zen. It is up to the organizer to manage the debate. Otherwise it becomes a yelling match
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): first I want to say I don't think this is a huge issue and that everyone has handled situations very well
Bleu (bleu.oleander): sorry but must slip out early
San (santoshima): the style of conversation at Pab is not debate
Wol Euler: bye bleu, take care
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): k Bleu, bfn :)
Agatha Macbeth: Slip well Bleu, tc
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): bye bye Bleu!
Aphrodite Macbain: whispers"bye bleu"
Catrinamonblue: Bye Bleu
Bleu (bleu.oleander): bye :)
Zen (zen.arado): bye Bleu
San (santoshima): and the rules of debate are not entirely applicable
Wol Euler: nonetheless they might be a starting point, san
San (santoshima): but repecting speakers is
Eos Amaterasu: I like to think of PaB as being to being relationships, and rules of the road flow from the immediacy of that
San (santoshima): and theose who are not speaking as well
San (santoshima): agreed eos
Zen (zen.arado): pab isn't a debating forum
San (santoshima): exactly
Eos Amaterasu: no... it's about the honesty re "to live above the rules you must be honest"
druth Vlodovic: I agree with san
druth Vlodovic: there is a problem with Pab communication style that bothers people
Aphrodite Macbain: no, but that doesnt mean there shouldn't be guiding rules for conversation
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): not a debate forum?
Zen (zen.arado): more like an inquiry group
San (santoshima): very good point eos
druth Vlodovic: which they might want to be warned about
Wol Euler: say more, druth?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I like that, Zen
druth Vlodovic: part of PaB style is to sit and "appreciate" a person's words
San (santoshima): yes
druth Vlodovic: in silence
Eos Amaterasu: but also to provoke further
druth Vlodovic: which often comes across as us not listening to or appreciating what they say
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): /me nods... this isn't something that can be put on a notecard
druth Vlodovic: it can be very disconcerting
Eos Amaterasu: "say more"?
Aphrodite Macbain: respectfully engaged
Wol Euler: so we should warn people that we will take time to think about what they say before replying?
Aphrodite Macbain: counting 3 seconds before we answer
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes it is hard line at times Druth, to show that you are "there" and not necessarily be typing
San (santoshima): appreciate as in 'to consider', yes that takes some time
Eos Amaterasu: 9 seconds
druth Vlodovic: it would be nice for those who are more sensitive
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
druth Vlodovic: to being "part" of where they are
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Wol Euler: /me nods.
Wol Euler: I can see that somebody expecting an instant rebuttal (or agreement) might be confused
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) nods
Eos Amaterasu: hmm, we do need to pay attention to our "silent body language"
Wol Euler: that hadn't occurred to me before, I admit
Zen (zen.arado): it's difficult to make solid rules about this I feel
Aphrodite Macbain: we are talking about proper listening
Eos Amaterasu: acknowledgeing the other
Zen (zen.arado): we stray into many areas
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Luci
San (santoshima): luci!!
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi Luci:)
Agatha Macbeth: Mind the lag
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Luci
Aphrodite Macbain: waves at Luci
Catrinamonblue: HI Luci
Lucinda Lavender: waves to you all
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Luci
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Stevenaia
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hi, Luci.
Catrinamonblue: HI Stevenaia
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi steve
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hi, Steve.
stevenaia Michinaga: waves
San (santoshima): hiya Stevenaia
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Stevie
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Steve
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Stevenaia
Wol Euler: hello stevie
Vorder Forder: hello all
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): we've been talking about the spirit of meetings and how to convey welcome while also showing that PaB isn't a usual kind of debate area
Vorder Forder: as in rl all comunications as been done before anyone speaks a word
Aphrodite Macbain: how do you mean Vorder?
San (santoshima): that could be on the card "Pab isn't the usual kind of debate place"
Catrinamonblue: :)
druth Vlodovic: then an explanation of what that means
San (santoshima): yes
Vorder Forder: we all have our "quet "zone
Eos Amaterasu: maybe Eliza is asking, when do we stray out of the authenticity zone?
druth Vlodovic: "we use respectful listening, and often do not reply to what we appreciate you saying"
Eos Amaterasu: that's bizarre, druth!
druth Vlodovic: lol
druth Vlodovic: ty
Wol Euler: disagree, druth
druth Vlodovic: oh?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I had an experience yesterday where I went from a very peaceful sim with calm music, into a very chaotic one, and it was so jarring that I considered that we take on ways of being and may need support to adjust
Aphrodite Macbain: we often do reply!!
druth Vlodovic: often yes, but not always immediately or in an expected manner
Wol Euler: usually, in my belief
druth Vlodovic: ok, just "respectful listening" then
Vorder Forder: the lack of really listening
San (santoshima): eliza can you say more please
[apologies for missing the question in the fast-moving session]
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): discussion is not a part of a 'debate? (maybe I have problems with the meanings :)))
Wol Euler: so "we sometimes think about what you have said before we reply to it"
San (santoshima): aka time to breath before replying?
Eos Amaterasu: sometimes we are grokking it in fullness which fills the entire pavilion
San (santoshima): something like that
Aphrodite Macbain: debate implies a more structured way of communicating Xir
druth Vlodovic: this is more for sharing than debating I think
Vorder Forder: then is comming from the mind not from the heart
San (santoshima): or we may reply to you next week
Wol Euler: take time to consider whether we have understood, before replying
druth Vlodovic: there, we should put eos' on the nc :)
San (santoshima): yes, sharing experience
Wol Euler nods to Eos
Zen (zen.arado): a debate is a stronger form of discussion where you advance arguments and try to find weaknesses in the argumenats of others..which is ok as long as both parties have agreed to this beforehand
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I think it is mostly supporting one another ... that that then translates naturally , ie the sense of trust and permission
Aphrodite Macbain: debate is a more structured way cof communicating Xir
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): thank you Zen! :-)
druth Vlodovic: debates naturally lead to defensiveness and tight definitions
Eos Amaterasu: and trust allows the kind of debate Zen describes
Catrinamonblue: agree with Eliza
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): ty Aph too:)
Zen (zen.arado): and no ad hominem arguments are used
Aphrodite Macbain: the objective being to find the truth of the matter
Wol Euler: there is a difference between "I disagree" and "You are wrong" which philosophers often fail to appreciate
Catrinamonblue: nods
Aphrodite Macbain: rather than to sound clever
Wol Euler: the latter suggests personal incompetence
Aphrodite Macbain: major chat lag
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) nods
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): "harder to be kind than clever"
druth Vlodovic: "that is an interesting perspective, have you considered this?"
Wol Euler: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: how often have we said that?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): as a practical matter, a few times we've employed "bat signal" or group guardian IM to check responses if feeling emotional
Wol Euler nods.
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Catrinamonblue: explain Eliza please how that works?
San (santoshima): have no idea what you are referring to: "bat"
Wol Euler: IMs :)
Aphrodite Macbain: what about the idea of a talking stick?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal):if we feel another guardian is targetted we may want to IM and just say you support them
Zen (zen.arado): people who get emotional about issues shouldn't really engage in philosophical debate
Wol Euler: I would prefer not to do that, Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: bat sounds cant be heard by the human ear
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bat signal is just a pet name for one time when there was a difficult discussion and one may feel they are going to bite back
Agatha Macbeth: That's why I don't :p
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so may want to call others :)
Catrinamonblue: k
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so the group IM can be used that way
Catrinamonblue: :)
Eos Amaterasu has never used group IM
Wol Euler: and also as a little reality check. "Eliza, this is really pissing me off. Do you think he is being abusive or am I overreacting?"
druth Vlodovic: people get emotional from time to time, especially in safe places, it should be allowed for within limits
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I hope I will not need to call for help :))
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) nods exactly @ Wol
Vorder Forder: You may question results, or you may question the means as to how somebody has gone about getting those results, but you just can’t question a person's motivation or the person behind that motivation
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): it is soooo rare
Wol Euler: agreed, druth, so long as your emotion does not provoke others
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): thankfully
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): but I think it is nice to know we have options and tools
Wol Euler nods to Vorder
Catrinamonblue: yes
Eos Amaterasu: how you offer your emotion is also part of the dialog
Eos Amaterasu thinks opera
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Zen (zen.arado): should be dispassionate I think..using reason alone
Lucinda Lavender: i cannot type and think sometimes...
Lucinda Lavender: just a slow thinker I guess
Catrinamonblue: same Luci :)
Zen (zen.arado): emotion leads to anger and offence taken
Wol Euler: exactly
druth Vlodovic: in debates perhaps zen,I'm not sure such an attitude is necessary here
Aphrodite Macbain: how do you do a group IM?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I can type faster than I think :P
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): a lot of times conversatons go too quick for me...I love the 9 seconds:))
druth Vlodovic: I have seen people defused by equanimity and acceptance of others
Vorder Forder: mindtyping is the fastest way
San (santoshima): there is also the option of just ignoring antagonistic comments
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): good question Aph... I am not sure I've instigated one.. let me see....
[there begins a parallel conversation in group IM]
druth Vlodovic: maybe we need 9 seconds now it is at the quarter hour :)
Eos Amaterasu: okay
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :)
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
druth Vlodovic: ((dinggg))
Eos Amaterasu: I'll count 9 seconds
Aphrodite Macbain: How do you do a group IM Eliza?
Eos Amaterasu: 1
Eos Amaterasu: 2
Eos Amaterasu: 3
Eos Amaterasu: 4
Zen (zen.arado): being sympathetic to the other's opinions and not dogmatic about one's own is a good way to disarm emotions
Eos Amaterasu: 5
Eos Amaterasu: 6
Eos Amaterasu: 7
Eos Amaterasu: 8
Eos Amaterasu: 9
Eos Amaterasu: !
druth Vlodovic: ((donggg))
San (santoshima): that's excellent, Zen
Aphrodite Macbain: stick around Eos
Aphrodite Macbain: so just go into the PAB group
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): good point Zen!
druth Vlodovic: you go to your contacts list and use the shift key to select who you want, then select IM
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) impressed with the instincts of everyone here today,to not be hasty
Aphrodite Macbain: ah- you select them
Agatha Macbeth: When you get to a certain age 'hasty' becomes difficult...
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): lol
Zen (zen.arado): heh
Eos Amaterasu: sometimes a pause can be the right pounce
Aphrodite Macbain: so not as a group but by selecting friends?
Wol Euler: yes, aph, you can do that too
druth Vlodovic: I'm not sure how to selects people who aren't on your list
Aphrodite Macbain: k
Aphrodite Macbain: will just have to experiment
Wol Euler: you can't, druth
Zen (zen.arado): you can just right click on someone and then IM too
stevenaia Michinaga: just IM them personally
Wol Euler: cannot add them to an IM conference
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
San (santoshima): you pounce very well, eos, I appreciate your steadiness and light touch during conversations recently that felt to me to have a barbed quality
stevenaia Michinaga: the trick is to know who you are typing to in the text box
Aphrodite Macbain: funny - I haven't felt that of Eos
Wol Euler: yes, avoid typing into the wrong box :)
Zen (zen.arado): :)
Agatha Macbeth: Helps
San (santoshima): felt what, aph?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): steadiness and light touch, yes for sure
Aphrodite Macbain: ah - I reread your words
San (santoshima): ?
druth Vlodovic: I suspect it of being an example, rather than a complaint
Zen (zen.arado): it's hard when you become piggy in the middle between two disputants
Aphrodite Macbain: I thought you meant his words had a barbed touch
San (santoshima): it was meant as a compliment
Aphrodite Macbain: I realize that now
San (santoshima): a new person who was very combative
Eos Amaterasu grins
San (santoshima): appreciate eos' handling of the session
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): each has their own way of responding and sometimes it is in those moments when we see something special
druth Vlodovic: one big thing is for the guardian to tell others not to respond so it can be dealt with by only them
Aphrodite Macbain: what did you do/say Eos?
San (santoshima): learning by watching and by role models
Aphrodite Macbain: that can by tricky druth
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): as Mellie said ;-), the hidden layers come forward
Eos Amaterasu: one thing is that something drew that person to PaB, so try to listen for that
druth Vlodovic: a matter of self-control
San (santoshima): lovely point eliza
stevenaia Michinaga: would this be in tuesday's 19:00 log?
druth Vlodovic: "ok, everybody,sit on your hand for a couple minutes
Wol Euler: that was one, steve :)
stevenaia Michinaga: thx
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Eos and I had a nice chat Tues... not sure it is that one ^.^
Wol Euler: oh, wait, have I got he days mixed up
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): anyway... hah 7 minutes who has topics!? lol
Eos Amaterasu: "patience"
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) smiles
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I must go....take care and see you soon! I'll read what topics for next week later :)
druth Vlodovic: "adversity"
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Bye, Xir!
Catrinamonblue: Bye Xira
Aphrodite Macbain: winning
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bye Xiri :)
druth Vlodovic: "stimulation"
Zen (zen.arado): bye Xiri
Wol Euler: bye xir
druth Vlodovic: bye xir :)
Agatha Macbeth: Take care Xira
Eos Amaterasu: ~~, xir
Zen (zen.arado): I have one but will keep it
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): why Zen?
druth Vlodovic: "the relative values of provocation" lol
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): !
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): lol
druth Vlodovic: but maybe keep that one for now
Zen (zen.arado): there are plenty of options already
Wol Euler: I don't think we need to encourage people to be provocative
druth Vlodovic: throw it on the floor,let it fend for itself zen :)
Eos Amaterasu: playing as poking
Zen (zen.arado): 'satisfaction'
druth Vlodovic: "encouragement and provocation"
Aphrodite Macbain: curiosity
Zen (zen.arado): as in I cain't get no
Zen (zen.arado): :)
Catrinamonblue: :)
San (santoshima): aww
druth Vlodovic: nice :)
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): many of these seem timely
druth Vlodovic: I vote for satisfaction
Eos Amaterasu: lot of live wires here :-)
Catrinamonblue: second
druth Vlodovic: it is related to "enoughness"after all
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Catrinamonblue: "silence"
Wol Euler: true
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): So we have 1 - satisfaction - as related to enoughness
Zen (zen.arado): or whatever
druth Vlodovic: lol
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): "or whatever"
San (santoshima): :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and patience (?) as related to....?
San (santoshima): patience
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
druth Vlodovic: "satisfaction as related to enoughness or whatever"
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes, lol
druth Vlodovic: "patience as related to gaining satisfaction"
Aphrodite Macbain: curiosity killed the cat, satisfaction brought it back
Catrinamonblue: looking, not dead yet :)
druth Vlodovic: we will vote after the upcoming pause :)
Eos Amaterasu has to segue to another mtg - ciao all!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bye Eos :)
Catrinamonblue: bye eos
druth Vlodovic: have fun eos
Agatha Macbeth: Segue well E
Wol Euler: bye eos, take care
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) waves to Vorder too
Aphrodite Macbain: bye
Zen (zen.arado): bye Eos, Vorder
Vorder Forder: have to pull the plug stay happy
Wol Euler: bye vorder, take care
Catrinamonblue: Bye Vorder
druth Vlodovic: happy plugging
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :))
Agatha Macbeth: Bye
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): what an honest way to sign off
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): lol
Aphrodite Macbain: pulling
Wol Euler: /me smiles.
druth Vlodovic: we need the bell here
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): also time for me to unplug. All stay well!
Wol Euler: bye bruce, take care
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Bye Bruce, nice to see you
druth Vlodovic: cya bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: bye Bruce
Wol Euler: see you at 2pm?
Catrinamonblue: Take care Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: I can often hear the one at the pavilion
San (santoshima): bye everyone leaving, left
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and Luci... and everyone going....
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Brucie
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): will leave few voters to nail down the 2nd topic...
Lucinda Lavender: thanks to all...
Wol Euler: bye luci, bye san, bye aph, enjoy the weekend
druth Vlodovic: ((dinggg))
San (santoshima): bye all / patience as related to balance
Catrinamonblue: Bye everyone leaving :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Gotta go too. Happy plugging everyone
San (santoshima): see ya
druth Vlodovic: sigh
Zen (zen.arado): byee all
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Thanks folks :)
druth Vlodovic: we have this weeks anyway
Lucinda Lavender: enjoy the day all
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): am going to go with the patience, as first thrown out when asking
Wol Euler: sure
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): seem okay?
Wol Euler: seems appropriate
Lucinda Lavender: sounds good
Agatha Macbeth: /me nods
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): >whew<
druth Vlodovic: then satisfaction for the following week?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): satisfaction first
druth Vlodovic: 'k
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): then patience...
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ?
Catrinamonblue: k
druth Vlodovic: seems backwards
Wol Euler: sure
stevenaia Michinaga: agree druth
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) yeah... more fun that way
stevenaia Michinaga: hehe
Agatha Macbeth: We need to be patient for patience...
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): starting at the end and looking back
Wol Euler smiles.
druth Vlodovic: but then we have a tradition ofputting the cart before the horse here :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes!
Lucinda Lavender: :)
druth Vlodovic: imagine the destination and the journey is easier
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) laughs... nice vigorous meeting
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :::feels appreciative::::
stevenaia Michinaga: have a good day, all
[after...]
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): you too Stevenaia, waves
Wol Euler: you too, stevie
Catrinamonblue: Waves
druth Vlodovic: bye all a'all
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): what is going on at 2 Wol?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Oh... meditation
Agatha Macbeth: Berti :)
Wol Euler: yep, berti#s ten minutes
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): of course , nods
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles, will try to remember, otherwise.. see you on the 99 days side
Wol Euler: /me nods.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): /me smiles
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): that is going very warmly
Agatha Macbeth: I must read today's
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and check in Aggers?
Wol Euler: yes, we are waiting for your contributions
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Check in Aggers what? ;p
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): a funny thing is happening in that I am not checking in about meditation but reading others is instigating me
Wol Euler: good :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, it does do that
Wol Euler: social pressure :)
Agatha Macbeth: I love Druth's honesty in particular
Catrinamonblue: :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal nodding...
Catrinamonblue: Druth just stepped away for a moment :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and moving sally report a few days ago Wol
Catrinamonblue: we have been doing some meditations together
Wol Euler: nice
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): that must be nice
Catrinamonblue: it's helpful
Agatha Macbeth grins
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: It's more fun with two eh
Catrinamonblue: :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): better go.... will include this later part in log if everyone is okay with that
Wol Euler: sure
Catrinamonblue: sure
Agatha Macbeth: Sure, fine by moi
Wol Euler: bye eliza, enjoy the day
Catrinamonblue: Bye Eliza
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