2008.08.06 07:00 - The Meeting You're Not In

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    Hey Everyone, this is Cal and here's the log from Wednesday August 6th, 7am. 

    Good Morning!:

    Fael Illyar: Hi Cal :)
    Caledonia Heron: hey Fael :)
    Caledonia Heron: how are you today?
    Fael Illyar: Hi Doug :)
    Caledonia Heron: hey Doug :)
    doug Sosa: hi..
    Caledonia Heron: hey Riddle :)
    Riddle Sideways: good morning all
    doug Sosa: morning yes.
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Caledonia Heron: I literally just woke up - funny to see people materializing somehow :)
    doug Sosa: yes, i woke three minutes ago,
    Caledonia Heron: lol, we are on the same page
    Riddle Sideways: just drinking first cuppa
    doug Sosa: i passed the coffee or i wouldn't have arrived here ..
    Caledonia Heron: in the light of fair disclosure, Doug and I met in rl Mon night :)
    Caledonia Heron: yes, made some bad coffee in my hotel room
    Riddle Sideways: mmmmm

    Inquiring after 9Sec experiment:

    Caledonia Heron: so how are we?
    doug Sosa: but i turned on the espresso machine for later..
    Caledonia Heron: good man
    Caledonia Heron: what's been going on? how's the 9 sec experiment going?
    Faenik: could be
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, was writing down another 9 sec thought
    doug Sosa: the nine sec spreads into the not nine sec part of life. yesterday could have been tense but the nine seemed to give every moment an easier

    more laughabe aspect.
    Caledonia Heron: sounds useful for stress then :)
    Caledonia Heron: you still with us Riddle and Fael?
    Fael Illyar: Sorry, a bit busy in an IM.
    Caledonia Heron: ok sure
    doug Sosa: useful wouldn't have occurred to me. it was of course, but felt lughter, less likenthe day was defined y uts minor traumas. jus different.
    Riddle Sideways: Yes, many times my gong goes off and I have to think "why was I being soooo serious"
    Caledonia Heron: ah, ok Doug, understood....
    doug Sosa: i did have a very complex dream. what if we could do the nine sec in a dream?

    Being where you are, specifically in a meeting:

    Riddle Sideways: Hi Gaya
    doug Sosa: hi gaya.
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Caledonia Heron: seems reasonable :)
    Caledonia Heron: a dream of a dream dreaming
    Riddle Sideways: as Faenik says... "Why Not?"
    Caledonia Heron: the comment about IM made me remember a current situation
    Fael Illyar: :)
    doug Sosa: ?
    Fael Illyar: Oh, Hi Gaya :)
    Caledonia Heron: I'm in intense meetings with a group of people whose mode of being in the meeting is to be on their computer at the same time
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hey you
    Fael Illyar: you?
    Caledonia Heron: I came 1500 miles to meet with these people to have them be multi-tasking
    Gaya Ethaniel: Just mean hi Fael
    doug Sosa: computers in meetings are terrible.
    Fael Illyar: Oh ok :)
    Faenik: ah :)
    Caledonia Heron: I chose to not open my laptop, rather to sit and talk, be with the group
    Riddle Sideways: we once even out-lawed chairs in meetings
    Caledonia Heron: so I'm the odd man out
    Caledonia Heron: gal
    Caledonia Heron: it's weird
    Caledonia Heron: I mentioned it to the group - like "I have no idea if you're listening or not" kind of thing
    Caledonia Heron: and got a lot of reasons, "oh, well, I'll building a doc for the next part of the meeting
    Riddle Sideways: you probably caught most of us doing other things... sorry
    Caledonia Heron: so I asked them if they were living 3 hours ahead or being where they were? and what was the point of working ahead if they weren't really where they were
    Caledonia Heron: holy smokes.... what a hornet's nest
    doug Sosa: but much more interesting to raise the issue.
    Riddle Sideways: other then buzzing. did you get results / answers
    Caledonia Heron: sort of, it came down on me like this is how "we" (we being discriminatory) work, maybe you don't understand
    doug Sosa: here too.
    Caledonia Heron: so anyway, out of sync on that front
    Caledonia Heron: do people attend meetings like that with y'all? is it weird to you that people aren't *really* present?
    Faenik: ah :)

    Crackberries, part of this nutritional breakfast...:

    Riddle Sideways: many times
    Gaya Ethaniel see lots of people just being 'bored' in mtgs
    Riddle Sideways: the crackberrys under the table
    Caledonia Heron: hi Gaya!
    Gaya Ethaniel: Am I not visible today?
    Caledonia Heron: just now, to me :) sorry I did not acknowledge you
    Gaya Ethaniel sees people blackberrying out in the open in mtgs
    doug Sosa: people don't know how to take responsibility to make a meeting alive.
    Gaya Ethaniel: no worries Cal :)
    Riddle Sideways: I see you, Gaya. It is Doug I can't resolve
    Caledonia Heron: yeah bberries for sure, I'm talking facebook, twitter,,,etc
    Gaya Ethaniel: doug always appear quite white to me...
    Caledonia Heron: me too
    Gaya Ethaniel: yeah those too Cal
    Gaya Ethaniel: Most of people just don't attend to what's being discussed in work mtgs at least in my experiences
    doug Sosa: yes, too white. i haven't found a way to change it. the skin tint adjust doesn't take.
    Gaya Ethaniel: oh i c doug so nothing wrong with my puter :)

    Suggestions for how to bring the meeting to "now":

    Riddle Sideways: I found several techniques to get meetings back to NOW
    Gaya Ethaniel: pls tell
    Caledonia Heron: ah, let's hear them :)
    Riddle Sideways: pass papers around
    Gaya Ethaniel: hm... possible
    Caledonia Heron: ohhh, good one
    Riddle Sideways: get out of your chair and walk around
    Riddle Sideways: behind the worst offenders
    Caledonia Heron: lol
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Riddle Sideways: touch people ... ahhh
    Gaya Ethaniel: no way
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Caledonia Heron: sure, makes sense - make it tactile
    Gaya Ethaniel: that'd be impossible to do at work though
    Caledonia Heron: not sure about the touching but I get it
    Gaya Ethaniel thinks about touching some of her work mates 'erk'
    Riddle Sideways: or ... ask their opion on the speakers points
    Caledonia Heron: being peeved that nobody is truly present makes it hard to focus on the meeting ..... a little venting, better now :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: shame that those people feel forced to be present in such meetings really
    Caledonia Heron: yeah, a telecon would do - save me a lot of hassle
    Gaya Ethaniel: Riddle that didn't work for me... I had a question back for a question!
    Riddle Sideways: in their defense, many probably attend 6 meetings a day
    Caledonia Heron: yeah, I get that Riddle
    Gaya Ethaniel: yeah... one can be meetinged out... some of my meetings go on over 2-3 days full
    Gaya Ethaniel: we lost doug
    Riddle Sideways: they burn out and think they need to do other
    Gaya Ethaniel nids
    Caledonia Heron: this is a specially convened meeting to discuss a new way of doing business at a fairly established workplace - you'd think they'd want to be in on the deal since they bothered to show up
    Gaya Ethaniel: nods*
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sounds like Cal you had a tough day...
    Caledonia Heron: 2 days, 1 to go :)
    Faenik: could be
    Riddle Sideways: many may not OWN it the way you do
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Caledonia Heron: true Riddle
    Gaya Ethaniel: and that's the shame part really Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: they just show up to have heard what others are up to
    Riddle Sideways: you must make them own it
    Riddle Sideways: they must find value in it
    Caledonia Heron: (me crabbing about their rude, non-present behavior) ....((great))
    Riddle Sideways: then they engage
    Caledonia Heron: sure, I get it
    Riddle Sideways: even here (as hard as that is to imagine) we have to engage
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah... engagement!
    Caledonia Heron: yes agreed
    Riddle Sideways: and own our collective thoughts / meeting
    Caledonia Heron: yes, it has an intersection doesn't it?
    Gaya Ethaniel: ?
    Caledonia Heron: showing up, whether at work, inworld, at home, about being where you are when you're wherever
    Gaya Ethaniel: interaction or intersection?
    Caledonia Heron: both :)
    Riddle Sideways: both
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok

    Still surveying folks about their clutter:

    Caledonia Heron: hey! I have a question
    Gaya Ethaniel: Shoot
    Faenik: indeed?
    Caledonia Heron: have you guys been getting the urge to get rid of stuff? to clean out little corners of clutter, divest of stuff?
    Caledonia Heron: actually seeing the clutter around you that you typcially ignore?
    Riddle Sideways: ummmm, sort of and yet no
    Riddle Sideways: ok, yes that
    Riddle Sideways: recently we had wild fires near my house
    Caledonia Heron: I have been noticing the parts of my home that are streamlined and clutterfree
    Caledonia Heron: and then the places where stuff meets up to talk :) ha ha
    Riddle Sideways: we had to pack the things that would make us sad if lost
    Caledonia Heron: oh, for sure - tough choices
    Riddle Sideways: then you look at what is left in house
    Riddle Sideways: and wonder if we even need that stuff
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Caledonia Heron: yeah, stuff you haven't used or touched in ages
    Fael Illyar: I tend to throw away stuff when I move or need space for something else.
    Fael Illyar: Very rarely at other times.
    Caledonia Heron: yeah something new, make space
    Caledonia Heron: sometimes it happens that when you clean, make a space, something new shows up to fill it
    Caledonia Heron: that's kind of like life too :)
    Gaya Ethaniel nods

    The things you might want to take:

    Caledonia Heron: what kinds of things did you choose to pack Riddle? things that can't be replaced I would guess
    Riddle Sideways: yes, pictures of the kids, artwork,
    Riddle Sideways: backup hard drive :)
    Caledonia Heron: ahh, for sure! the backup's
    Riddle Sideways: funny that
    Caledonia Heron: data as irreplacable
    Caledonia Heron: I would pack the artwork, the pottery, computers, dogs ...let the goats loose
    Fael Illyar: Yes, where there is room, something can appear to fill it :)
    Faenik: ah :)
    Riddle Sideways: isn't that "flow"
    Caledonia Heron: how do you mean?
    Riddle Sideways: water, energy, stuff flows into empty places
    Riddle Sideways: to level everyplace
    Riddle Sideways: a full container can't take anymore
    Riddle Sideways: remove some
    Riddle Sideways: and other can flow in
    Caledonia Heron: I can see that

    Maybe Faenik was too much for Cavan, he came and went:

    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Caledonia Heron: hi Cavan :)
    Riddle Sideways: hi Cavan

    What happens when you make a space?:

    Gaya Ethaniel: I find myself without much thinking filling 'gaps' when I see it... until I feel it's right. Maybe this is what you're describing Riddle
    Gaya Ethaniel: whether it's at home or making something
    Riddle Sideways: I think we were saying the gaps fill themselves
    Caledonia Heron: yep, ... sometimes stuff shows up, unbidden, unselected
    Riddle Sideways: we need to work on making the space / gap for it
    Gaya Ethaniel: Ah... you meant things getting cluttered and we need to consciously create space?
    Caledonia Heron: funny, my husband is a packrat, and I'm not - it's funny to try and balance
    Caledonia Heron: not funny ha ha funny, an amusing tension
    Riddle Sideways: understand... that is what makes partnership
    Caledonia Heron: that's one thinkg Gaya, the making space on purpose
    Caledonia Heron: *thing
    Caledonia Heron: sure, understood on the partnership thing... still, very different approaches
    Caledonia Heron: wondering about the correlation of stuff to a clarity of mind :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: yes neat places help minds to focus
    Caledonia Heron: yes, less attention in the crannies
    Caledonia Heron: more open mental space

    The relationship between space and comfortable surroundings:

    Gaya Ethaniel: I can feel & think better in spacious places
    Caledonia Heron: yes for sure - even in sl , for example moving from the teahouse to this pavilion
    Caledonia Heron: much more open, a change in discussion, the character of discussions
    Gaya Ethaniel: Did it? Didn't know that
    Caledonia Heron: for me it seemed different
    Caledonia Heron: I didn't feel so cramped in, could camera around better, better sense of what's around
    Riddle Sideways: we use to sit inside or outside the tea house and that seemed very different
    Caledonia Heron: lol, now we do both at the same time
    Gaya Ethaniel: hm.. maybe that explains a little why i don't like our guaridan mtgs in the hall
    Riddle Sideways: will this exact pavilion move to new space?
    Caledonia Heron: yeah, I don't care for the closed nature of that room either
    Riddle Sideways: or maybe bigger / airier
    Gaya Ethaniel: i find that place rather oppressive... could be the colour scheme
    Caledonia Heron: no, I believe the structure is in place and it is different
    Riddle Sideways: I have not lookedd
    Faenik: indeed?
    Riddle Sideways accepted your inventory offer.
    Caledonia Heron: I have given you a landmark
    Riddle Sideways: TY
    Caledonia Heron: yw :)
    Fael Illyar: the new place is a bit more open :)

    Reactions to physical spaces:

    Gaya Ethaniel: Oh don't misunderstand 'that place' I mean the hall of appearances
    Caledonia Heron: no, I got you Gaya, agree that HoApp feels closed in
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, I had a kitty interrupt... "pet me"
    Caledonia Heron: lol
    Gaya Ethaniel: After about 30 mins I can't wait to get out... never thought I'd be so affected by the appearance of SL
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Caledonia Heron: yeah I kind of zero out the surroundings so I can focus
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Caledonia Heron: otherwise I would probably leave
    Gaya Ethaniel: outside Cal?
    Caledonia Heron: I don't know, get to feeling itchy, restless when feeling cooped up

    Space as it effects productivity:

    Riddle Sideways: Cal, what is the RL meeting room like that you are spending 2-3 days in?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sorry I mean you zoom out enough to see the hall during the mtgs?
    Caledonia Heron: sometimes Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: including the surrounding outside the hall*
    Gaya Ethaniel: i c
    Caledonia Heron: it is a govt building, not very imaginative Riddle, a small room, stuffy, with probably more people than is optimal
    Riddle Sideways: maybe that is also why some people bring outside influniences in there?
    Caledonia Heron: partly sure
    Caledonia Heron: it also has an obsession/addictive feel to it
    Caledonia Heron: like they're driven to it :)
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Riddle Sideways: I am sure. was looking at minor points
    Gaya Ethaniel used to love having meetings in the Embankment Gardens
    Caledonia Heron: that sounds really nice
    Gaya Ethaniel: Only rarely. Not all senior managers were brave enough to do that
    Faenik: indeed?
    Gaya Ethaniel: You know I still find myself identifying with my previous job
    Gaya Ethaniel: Maybe it's sign that I should go back to it
    Caledonia Heron: maybe it means it was fulfilling, something to take forward :)
    Riddle Sideways: well folks I need to go to my current job and meetings now. I think I shall take a laptop out in the garden
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yea... possibly it's surprising to realise that I haven't taken my current rold to my heart. Thought I did but everytime I talk about work it's from my previous two roles in publishing
    Caledonia Heron: me too :) meetings then the airport

    Mixes of goodbyes and last thoughts about job satisfaction:

    Gaya Ethaniel smiles 'Good day Riddle'
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Riddle Sideways: bye all
    Gaya Ethaniel: Good day Cal
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Caledonia Heron: hmm Gaya, something of note there :)
    Riddle Sideways: have the nice day
    Caledonia Heron: bye Riddle :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ? Cal
    Fael Illyar: See you later Riddle :)
    Caledonia Heron: that you think of your past jobs not your current one
    Gaya Ethaniel: yeah... just realised yesterday and today
    Gaya Ethaniel will think about it a bit longer...
    Caledonia Heron: are they different fields?
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Gaya Ethaniel: yeah those two were in publishing and now i'm in sort of IT stuff
    Caledonia Heron: sounds like an indicator :)
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Caledonia Heron: a preference
    Gaya Ethaniel: yeah... should sleep over it
    Gaya Ethaniel: anyhow, my hour is up
    Faenik: ????^^
    Caledonia Heron: me too :) glad to see you both :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks again for your time Cal and Fael
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar: Ok, see you later Cal, Gaya :)

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