2008.08.31 01:00 - think about thinking?

This morning Fael already waited very..nice dressed at the pavilion. (yes sometimes less is more:)

Moon Fargis: morning fael :)
Fael Illyar: morning Moon :)
Moon Fargis looks at fael "hmmm sexy clothes"
Fael Illyar grins.
Faenik: ah :)
Moon Fargis: so fael how are you? Still wandering around in the labyrinth ?
Faenik: ah :)
Fael Illyar: perhaps ;)
Fael Illyar: well, nothing that has been bothering me lately.
Moon Fargis: ahh thats reat
Moon Fargis: great
Fael Illyar: oh right, you mentioned something about losing memories that tuesday but I haven't noticed anything missing.
Moon Fargis: what memorys? i cant remember anything
Fael Illyar: well, anything I need that is :P
Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
Moon Fargis: well thats the problem with loosing memorys, you first notice theyare missing when someone reminds you on them
Fael Illyar: I still catch myself building a new labyrinth sometimes but it's happening less as time passes.
Fael Illyar: oh by the way, did you mean short, medium or long term memory in that?
Moon Fargis: short to medium
Fael Illyar: things I did in the time close to that tuesday then ...
Fael Illyar: It seems I can't recall much of what happened before that one walk on the friday before that tuesday
Fael Illyar: Hi Gaya :)
Moon Fargis: morning gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Fael Illyar: no, scratch that, just takes more time.
Moon Fargis scratches
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Fael Illyar smiles.
Fael Illyar: before friday it was just monotonic enough that I was having difficulties telling the days apart :P
Moon Fargis: oha
Moon Fargis: but its good you know that it was friday atleast:)
Fael Illyar: that's when I had the realization that "I'm perfect as I am"
Moon Fargis: i see
Faenik: ah :)
Moon Fargis: yes perfect is a term like good and bad ..just a term, meaningless in the eyes of others, so you can say i am as i am
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Fael Illyar: haha, yes :)
Fael Illyar: oh wait, does it have an opposite?
Moon Fargis: you are not than you thought ?
Fael Illyar meant does 'perfect' have on opposite?'
Moon Fargis: ahh
Moon Fargis: unperfect ?:)
Fael Illyar: not, quite what I was looking for :)
Gaya Ethaniel: 'Not good enough'?
Fael Illyar: it's a bit of a fuzzy term as it is :P
Fael Illyar: never mind one of the things I like to say "there's perfection in imperfection"
Gaya Ethaniel: Lots of thinking there...
Moon Fargis: yes in that early hour :)
Fael Illyar: haha :)
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Fael Illyar is a thinking creature.
Gaya Ethaniel has noticed the fact
Moon Fargis: i see , what do you think when you think about thinking then ?:)
Fael Illyar: I don't :P
Gaya Ethaniel: No?
Moon Fargis: hehe as a zennie ill give you a question: "what colour got thinking? "
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Fael Illyar: why not "what is the sound of thinking?"
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Faenik: could be
Moon Fargis: okay as you wish what is the colur of the sound of thinking ?
Alurandra Dassin gave you Alurandra.
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Gaya Ethaniel sees some mist
Fael Illyar: I've been learning to think less the last few weeks.
Gaya Ethaniel: oh?
Fael Illyar: and when I do think, wear it lighter.
Gaya Ethaniel: ah...
Moon Fargis: aha leight weight thinking then,
Gaya Ethaniel: Can see thinking self then?
Fael Illyar: no, not quite see the self ... just the thinking.
Gaya Ethaniel: So seeing the process?
Fael Illyar: Yes
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
Moon Fargis: who is seeing ?
Fael Illyar: you for all I care :P
Faenik: �る��^^
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Moon Fargis: whops
Gaya Ethaniel: ah
Gaya Ethaniel: /was making some tea...
Moon Fargis: ahh hmm ood idea
Moon Fargis: good
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Gaya Ethaniel: Had breakfast yet Moon?
Moon Fargis: yep
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Moon Fargis hears te boiling water
Moon Fargis: wb fael
Fael Illyar: Looks like I crashed then.
Gaya Ethaniel: wb
Moon Fargis: yep
Gaya Ethaniel is making tea, in and out of the pavillion
Fael Illyar: that's been happening a lot lately...
Moon Fargis: yes gaya makes alot of tea :)
Fael Illyar: Yes, that too :)
Moon Fargis: ohh i got a tea called "temple of buddha"

 (a spice tea)

Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Faenik loves wells!
Gaya Ethaniel: ah... from China Moon?
Fael Illyar: Well, time for some breakfast here :P
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Moon Fargis: ggaya: no hehe from germany i guess but i dont know where the recipe camee from
Gaya Ethaniel smiles 'ok'
Gaya Ethaniel nudges Fael to continue the thread before crashing out
Fael Illyar: well, when I crashed I was about to say that there's something I'm avoiding seeing from what Moon is saying since it was making me uncomfortable.
Faenik: why not?
Gaya Ethaniel: oh?
Moon Fargis: ah please tell
Fael Illyar: So, while I was waiting for my computer to boot I spent some time looking at it.
Gaya Ethaniel sips her tea and listens
Moon Fargis slurps his hot tea and listens too
Gaya Ethaniel wonders if Fael wants to take a break and step outside for a minute instead
Moon Fargis: well fael you dont have to tell us if you dont want
Fael Illyar is making breakfast
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Moon Fargis: ok happy breakfast then :)
Faenik: ah :)
Fael Illyar: but ... I'm thinking about things talking to you two here and feeling uncomfortable but not uncomfortable making breakfast and ...pondering about it while making breakfast...
Fael Illyar: ok, what's the difference between pondering and thinking?
Moon Fargis: ehmm
Moon Fargis: no idea :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Pondering for Gaya is same as PaBing...
Gaya Ethaniel: Thou ppl attach diff meanings to a word
Fael Illyar: yes
Fael Illyar: well, thinking about it won't get me anywhere with it :)
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Moon Fargis: just tell what makes you feel unconfortable
Moon Fargis: then we will see
Fael Illyar: If it was that simple, I'd have told it already.
Gaya Ethaniel sees 'thinking' extremely useful at a lot of occassions
Gaya Ethaniel: Is there a paricular sentence Moon typed that triggered that reaction Fael?
Fael Illyar: oh wait, pondering ... wordless thought?
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Fael Illyar: not a particular one no
Moon Fargis: unconfortable with the whole thinking thing then ?
Gaya Ethaniel: Can you describe the feeling of 'uncomfortableness'?
Fael Illyar: Hmmh, yes, I'm uncomfortable thinking ... :P
Gaya Ethaniel: Sounds natural to me... on certain subjects
Fael Illyar: uncomfortable thinking about thinking, really :P
Gaya Ethaniel: ah...
Gaya Ethaniel: What comes to you if you 'ponder' about 'thinking'?
Moon Fargis: i know what you mean, there once weas a pab session where everyone thought about different meanings of different words and tryd to explain things of mind how they happen on a high level, i felt unconfortable because i saw that there was too much thinking around about things wich normally faded away while pabing or zazen, so it was a useless thinking for me nad a creating of inner walls...
Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
Moon Fargis: so thinking about thinking might be the same thing for you fael... useless thinking :)
Gaya Ethaniel: There is a limit to thinking on certain subjects yes
Fael Illyar: is that the session that was the only time I saw you upset, Moon?
Moon Fargis: yes
Gaya Ethaniel: link please?
Fael Illyar: Oh, then I finally understand what it was that upset you :)
Moon Fargis: hmm a link
Moon Fargis: it must be somewhere on the blog
Gaya Ethaniel: What was the word do you remember?
Moon Fargis: its been a long time ago, so many words came up
Fael Illyar: yes, it was quite a while ago
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
Moon Fargis: was it about compassion?
Moon Fargis: ahh i cant remember really...
Fael Illyar: me neither ...
Faenik: ah :)
Saira Collas: Konbanwa
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Fael Illyar: �ん�ん�
Saira Collas: how are you
Moon Fargis: greetings saira
Moon Fargis: im fine thanks
Saira Collas: Arigato
Saira Collas takes a humble bow
Gaya Ethaniel: Well thank you and you Saira?
Fael Illyar: I'm good :)
Saira Collas: i'm doing very well
Saira Collas: i was just wondering around my shrine area
Moon Fargis: ahhh your shrine area? where is it?
Fael Illyar: This is meeting place for our group. Play as Being. http://playasbeing.wik.is/
Saira Collas: north east
Fael Illyar: You're welcome to join our meetings if you're interested :)
Saira Collas: buddist?
Moon Fargis: well play as being has a buddist influence but is no tradition
Saira Collas: arigato gozimasu
Fael Illyar: We have meetings 4 times each day. at 1AM,7AM,1PM and 7PM SL Time.
Saira Collas: i am a Miko at Lord Sosanoo's shrine
Moon Fargis: ahh i see, so you are in shinto then ? or is it a buddhist shrine ?
Saira Collas: hai
Saira Collas: i am a shinto
Moon Fargis: ^_^
Fael Illyar: We have people from all kinds of backgrounds and religions participating in these meetings :)
Saira Collas: i belong to the kami of storms
Saira Collas: wonderful
Saira Collas: we can learn from each other
Fael Illyar: These meetings are also logged on our wiki. Do you mind if we include your SL name and words there?
Saira Collas: i think i have been to one once
Gaya Ethaniel: Would it have been possible not to feel uncomfortable at that particular session Moon? At PaB sessions, we are required to 'think' at times.
Gaya Ethaniel: For communication sake
Moon Fargis: gaya: well the thinking is good like the salt in the soup
Moon Fargis: but you know what happens when there is too much salt
Gaya Ethaniel smiles 'yes'
Faenik loves wells!
Fael Illyar: yes, quite uncomfortable to eat something with too much salt :)
Moon Fargis: :) it also made me upset becasue it was contraproductive
Gaya Ethaniel nods. You perhaps saw me sighing many times at PaB before...
Fael Illyar: Ah, waste of time :)
Gaya Ethaniel smiles 'yes'
Moon Fargis: hehe something like this..delani wich where also there at this session asked me what all those people talk about
Moon Fargis: even she as a native speaker couldnt understand it right :)
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Fael Illyar recalls hitting brakes at even trying to understand what people were talking about.
Faenik: indeed?
Moon Fargis: hehe
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Faenik: �る��^^
Fael Illyar: ah, I remember it was 1pm meeting
Fael Illyar: perhaps Storm was the guardian?
Moon Fargis: welll the round was full
Saira Collas: maybe'
Moon Fargis: alot of people where there
Gaya Ethaniel: Delani talking about dreams?
Saira Collas: Lord Susanoo is a trickster
Moon Fargis: there are just a few logs where i and delani where toether in a pab session
Gaya Ethaniel searches
Moon Fargis: so saira: what is your task as a shrine maiden ?
Saira Collas: cleaning, cerimonies, communicationg with spirits, excerise evil ones, tending to the temple
Saira Collas: basic clerical work
Gaya Ethaniel: http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/200...now-club-nice/ => ?
Saira Collas: lots of cleaning
Faenik: indeed?
Moon Fargis: gaya: no thats not the one
Moon Fargis: saira: hmmm exerise evil spirits? cool from what ?
Saira Collas: first thing when i wake, i take a long hot bathe, after puting on clean close i goto the temple, every time before entering the temple i must wash my hands and clean out my mouth
Gaya Ethaniel points out there are many session where Delani, Fael and Moon were present together :P
Saira Collas: yea that is the only fun part, can be scary too
Moon Fargis: heheh
Moon Fargis: what do you do when you see a evil soirit?
Moon Fargis: spirit
Moon Fargis: gaya_ the round was full alotof people where there
Gaya Ethaniel: ok
Moon Fargis: and yes it was a 1 pm session
Saira Collas: well most excerising for me involes drawing in the spirit into my own body and fighting it
Gaya Ethaniel: ok
Faenik: indeed?
Saira Collas: but i can also bless and place wards
Moon Fargis: sounds like fun :)
Fael Illyar: I seem to recall it was storm's session but might also have been stim's. Those both tend to be rather packed often
Gaya Ethaniel: ah well, I will look through later
Saira Collas: Storms?
Fael Illyar: Storm Nordwind, one of our guardians :)
Fael Illyar: Each meeting has someone who is responsible for being here for 30 minutes, even if no-one else shows up.
Saira Collas: oh
Fael Illyar: For this meeting, that's Moon :)
Gaya Ethaniel points at Moon. He's the guardian for this session
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Fael Illyar: yesterday at this time it was me :)
Moon Fargis looks up and runs away
Saira Collas: i thought you were refering to me, because lord Susanoo is the Lord of storms
Gaya Ethaniel: Tomorrow this time will be me
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
Fael Illyar: Ah :)
Saira Collas: maybe he guided me here
Fael Illyar: perhaps :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Perhaps
Saira Collas: Susanoo is one of the three Major Kami who were born after Izanagi preformed his perfication ritual after returning Battleing with Yomi in the underworld
Gaya Ethaniel listens to Saira.
Saira Collas: His sister Amaterasu, the goddess of the sun, came from his left eye, his brother Tsukuyomi, the god of the moon, came from his right eye, and Susanoo, god of storms came from his nose.
Faenik: indeed?
Fael Illyar: Ah, that's the origin of Amaterasu?
Saira Collas: hai
Saira Collas: he and his are close
Saira Collas: sister*
Saira Collas: when Izanagi order him to leave heaven to go and a journy, he made sure to bid his sister ado
Fael Illyar: :)
Saira Collas: Lord Susanoo was know be a bit of a tricker so Lady Amaterasu was suspicious of Susanoo and proposed a challenge: each of them was to transform an object of the other's into people
Gaya Ethaniel is totally into the story... how fascinating
Faenik: ah :)
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Saira Collas: afterward they fought over who the poeple belonged too. Lord Susanoo lord of strom natraul rage out of control and ended up destrying his sister's rice fields and throwing a pony into her loom killing one of her followers
Saira Collas: aterasu was so up that she hid in the Ama-no-Iwato (heavenly rock cave) thus hiding the sun for a long period of time.
Fael Illyar wonders what happened sharing.
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Saira Collas: Izanagi was furious at Susanoo and banished him to earth.
Faenik: indeed?
Moon Fargis: well i have to prepare meal now, ill stay here and log the talk see you soon :)
Fael Illyar: Ok, see you later Moon :)
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Saira Collas: While on earth he met an elderly couple who told him that seven of their eight daughters had been devoured by the eight-headed serpent Yamata-no-Orochi, and it was nearing time for their eighth daughter.
Saira Collas: ejoy your meal
Gaya Ethaniel: Thank you Saira <smile>
Saira Collas: usanoo asked the couple to give him their daughter. They did and he transformed her in to a comb which he placed in the knot of his hair, the one in my hair resembles this
Gaya Ethaniel zooms on Saira
Fael Illyar: Hi Corvi :)
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Saira Collas: Then he transformed the couple into eight barrel of highly potent sake. He presented the sake to Yamata-no-Orochi.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Good morning, Fael, Gaya~!
Saira Collas: ohayo goozimasu
Gaya Ethaniel: (Moon is away Corvi)
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods. Good morning, Moon and Saira
Gaya Ethaniel: (Saira is telling us about deities of Shinto Corvi)
Saira Collas: Yamata-no-Orochi drank a barrel and when the beast was drunk and asleep Susano slayed it by chopping it up into a thousand pieces
Faenik: why not?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hello, Hack.
Fael Illyar: Hello Hack.
Saira Collas: When he choped up it’s tail he found the Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi (Grasscutter Sword).
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Saira Collas: ohiyo
Saira Collas: Susanoo gave the Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi as a gift to his sister and he was forgiven
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
hack Braveheart: no body talk?
Saira Collas: Amaterasu pasted the Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi to her descendants. This sacred sword, along with a sacred mirror, and jewel have collectively become part of the three Imperial Regalia of Japan, also known as the Three Sacred Treasures
Gaya Ethaniel: We type to communicate here hack
hack Braveheart: o
Saira Collas: that is the most famed story of Susanoo that i know of
Gaya Ethaniel: Thank you Saira. It is a lovely story indeed.
Saira Collas: your welcome
Fael Illyar: Interesting story, yes, even if a bit puzzling some of the things that happen in it.
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
Saira Collas: what are those?
Saira Collas: i may have left out some details
Fael Illyar: just wondering about that changing people into things :)
Faenik: indeed?
Saira Collas: Susanoo was always a prankster and when he went to see his sister she thought he was going to pull something on her so she struck first by challageing him
Faenik: could be
Saira Collas: she turned his sword into three women and he turned her necklace into five men
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Moon Fargis: rehi.. wow our group gets larger :)
Saira Collas: she thought that all five of the men should have belonged to her because it was her necklace, Susanoo saw it as 5+3 = 8 and she should get and equal amount
Fael Illyar: :P
Saira Collas: that help?
Gaya Ethaniel: wb
Fael Illyar: wb Moon :)
Fael Illyar: changing things to people and people to things ... well, I guess I'll just have to keep wondering why do all the changing :)
Moon Fargis: why not? (c) faenik
Saira Collas: oh
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Perhaps the point is that the people were not just what they seemed?
Saira Collas: that's there powers as greater kami
Gaya Ethaniel: Perhaps Saira you could tell us a Shinto story where humans are main characters
Saira Collas: i still am a novice
Saira Collas: and i still need to read more, but there are plent but i have been leaveing most of those up the the geisha
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes deities seem to have lots of 'humans' characteristics in your story Saira. Similar to Roman gods for example.
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
Fael Illyar: Yes, sound a lot like humans but with great powers.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I wonder why we invent gods like that?
Saira Collas: i have many comman characteristics with lord susanoo
Gaya Ethaniel: Trying to figure things out... comfort ourselves?
Saira Collas: to explain how things came into being
Gaya Ethaniel: Pls tell us Saira
Gaya Ethaniel: hack... I get this voice speaking from you. Would you be able to disable that please?
Faenik: indeed?
Saira Collas: lord Izanagi's wife and the father of Susano, i forgot her name died while giving birth to the island of japan
Saira Collas: that is why he went to the underworld and fought Yomi
Saira Collas: he failed unfortunaly, but while cleansing his face he created Amaterasu, Tsukuyo and lord Sunsanoo
Gaya Ethaniel: ah... which then led to creation of human beings?
Saira Collas: not sure on that one
Saira Collas: but it probably had some thing to do with Izanagi and his wife (i cannot remember her name)
Moon Fargis: izanami
Gaya Ethaniel: Seomthing's wrong here... need to restart SL. brb
Saira Collas: ya i think so
Saira Collas: but i still am in training and i do not know most of it
Moon Fargis: thats ok
Saira Collas: domo
Faenik: why not?
Moon Fargis: well i have to leave now.. 2 hour pab talk.. hmm this will get a lon log...
Moon Fargis: long
Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye, Moon.
Fael Illyar: See you later Moon :)
Saira Collas: good night