2008.08.10 01:00 - Amen and peace man!

Arrived just in time to see that gaya and fael already where there.

Moon Fargis: hi fael :)
Fael Illyar: Rehi Gaya :)
Moon Fargis: hi gaya:)
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Moon Fargis: one second :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Sure
Moon Fargis: okay:)
Gaya Ethaniel: I've thinking about something intensely thou unconsciously for a few days
Gaya Ethaniel: One of my fav topic it seems thou
Gaya Ethaniel: Compassion
Gaya Ethaniel: How exchangeable is Compassion to Love?
Gaya Ethaniel: Love is something very complex and at times loaded
Gaya Ethaniel: For example, the concept of romantic love is somewhat a recent idea from a documentary I saw
Fael Illyar: I think compassion is what is meant in the Bible... for example in the phrase "Love your enemy"
Gaya Ethaniel: ah
Gaya Ethaniel: Is it more of 'understanding'?
Fael Illyar: it's part of recognizing the world as perfect and the enemy as a part of the world.
Fael Illyar: (perfect having nothing to do with good/bad/evil etc)
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
Moon Fargis: amen
Fael Illyar was rather surprised after saying that.
Gaya Ethaniel: how so?
Fael Illyar: felt like... to quote Gaya, "pins dropping"
Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)
you looks on the earth... nope no pins here
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Gaya Ethaniel: So 'understanding' and 'accepting' how it is.. the whole thing - is that what you meant Fael?
Fael Illyar: you are what the world is.
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok so you start from yourself
Gaya Ethaniel: seems like you have a certain 'direction' in this
Fael Illyar: It's everything in your mind. The world, you.
Gaya Ethaniel is wishing Moon to look forward so that she can make a snap

"Turned my pillow around against the facing direction"

Gaya Ethaniel laughs
Moon Fargis: already snapped :)
Fael Illyar: There is this notion that the world is something separate from you but ...
Gaya Ethaniel: ah could i have a copy pls Moon?
Fael Illyar: even if there is a separate world, what you see is in your mind.
Moon Fargis: gaya: well its on my hd :)
Moon Fargis: hi guitar
Guitarfhero3 Harsley: sup
Fael Illyar: Hello, Guaitarfhero3
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Moon Fargis: soup
Guitarfhero3 Harsley: Hi :)

The guitarhearo entered and left.

Fael Illyar: therefore, perfect.
Moon Fargis: well that was a quick visit
Fael Illyar: It seems many people are just sighseeing.
Moon Fargis: yep
Fael Illyar: the topics here can seem scary to many :)
Moon Fargis: wb guitar
Gaya Ethaniel: The separateness... guess this dissolved when you 'saw' your wall Fael?

 Guitathero came back, seems he is a newbie looking for help.

Guitarfhero3 Harsley: do you guys know how to attack other peoplw?
Fael Illyar: no, not completely at that time yet.
Guitarfhero3 Harsley: (ima noob
Guitarfhero3 Harsley: lol
Gaya Ethaniel: ah gradually
Moon Fargis: no war here
Moon Fargis: noone to attack
Guitarfhero3 Harsley: i know
Fael Illyar: Guitar, you know, this is not a game. Especially not a wargame.
Gaya Ethaniel: I'm afraid I never learnt to do it Guitar
Fael Illyar: At least, in this sim it isn't
Guitarfhero3 Harsley: Wow
Faenik: ah :)
Vertigo Ethaniel: good evening, may i sit?
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Moon Fargis: hi vertigo
Guitarfhero3 Harsley: no one knows how?
Fael Illyar: There are sims where that is the norm though I think
Moon Fargis: please sit
Gaya Ethaniel: Nice to see you again Vertigo. Hope you've been well?
Fael Illyar: Hi Vertigo :)
Vertigo Ethaniel: hiya
Vertigo Ethaniel: havent met you guys yet
Guitarfhero3 Harsley: how do i get $L?
Moon Fargis: so guitar, this is a openpublic meeting of the play as being group, we are here becasue we practise a new method of self awareness
Moon Fargis: guitar: search for camping places
Gaya Ethaniel: I've met you once Vertigo with Pema
Guitarfhero3 Harsley: :)
Moon Fargis: in the search
Guitarfhero3 Harsley: k
Moon Fargis: or jon centers
Moon Fargis: or transfer money from your paypal account
Moon Fargis: or creditcard
Moon Fargis: many ways
Vertigo Ethaniel: gaya, oh yes i remember
Gaya Ethaniel sees Moon putting on 'mentor' hat
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Fael Illyar: Guitar, there is a lot of useful information in the notecards in the folder I gave you.
Gaya Ethaniel: First time I talked to another Ethaniel it was
Fael Illyar: Including about money.
Guitarfhero3 Harsley: ok
Vertigo Ethaniel: hehe
Vertigo Ethaniel: best name in the game
Gaya Ethaniel laughs
Guitarfhero3 Harsley: alright :)
Guitarfhero3 Harsley: uhm
Guitarfhero3 Harsley: yeah
Fael Illyar still hasn't even seen another Illyar.
Guitarfhero3 Harsley: lol
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes it's not very easy to find that Fael

 "I set up my icecream hat (justa cone of ice placed on my head)"

Gaya Ethaniel: laughs at Moon's hat*
Moon Fargis: keep me cool minded
Guitarfhero3 Harsley: how do i get to the card?
Guitarfhero3 Harsley: lol
Fael Illyar: Well, at least it's a unique name :)
Moon Fargis: guitar: well nedd a creditcard, go to you bank :)
Moon Fargis: but i think a paypal account is also good
Gaya Ethaniel: Moon you cracking me up again... I've only had a lemon tea this morn' and so tummy hurts too much. Go easy on me
Fael Illyar: Guitar, do you mean the notecards I mentioned?
Moon Fargis: awwww
Gaya Ethaniel nods at Fael
Fael Illyar: They're in your inventory now that you accepted my inventory offer.
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Fael Illyar: Have you used your inventory before?
Faenik loves wells!
Vertigo Ethaniel: im sorry guys, im going to be fairly quiet today probably... indulged a little :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Vertigo, we were discussing compassion just as you came
Gaya Ethaniel: Pls comment if you wish
Vertigo Ethaniel: will do, if i think of something interesting to say
Gaya Ethaniel: Sure
Vertigo Ethaniel: plus im watching the olympics at the same time, fascinating watching humans push themselves
Gaya Ethaniel: how so?
Guitarfhero3 Harsley: uhh
Gaya Ethaniel: Fascinating?
Moon Fargis: hmm ive decided not to watch te olympcs
Guitarfhero3 Harsley: bye
Moon Fargis: bye
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Vertigo Ethaniel: not sure i can explain it
Gaya Ethaniel wants to catch gymnastics at least
Vertigo Ethaniel: its just great to watch people being the best they can be in sport
Vertigo Ethaniel: and every country in the world (almost) taking part
Vertigo Ethaniel: gives me hope for the world :P
Moon Fargis: well
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok thought you meant the efforts somewhat futile
Gaya Ethaniel: 'pushing' somehow sounded somwhat negative
Gaya Ethaniel: somewhat*
Fael Illyar: why would you need hope for the world?
you remembers at the olympic games in 1936
Vertigo Ethaniel: well, im pessimistic about human nature
Vertigo Ethaniel: i hate how we cant get along, yet i want peace and harmony for all
Moon Fargis: a noble thing yes vertigo, lets hope the olympic mind transfers a bit to the chinese people
Moon Fargis: especially to the ones in the goverment
Fael Illyar: it's not can't. It's won't.
Moon Fargis: andd hopefully they will put away the mao picture then
Vertigo Ethaniel: i watched the opening ceremony, the people were so proud of their country, and wanted to perform for the world to bring joy to everyone
Fael Illyar: and based on misunderstanding the world and others.
Vertigo Ethaniel: yet i know that the governement seesit as a propaganda tool
Gaya Ethaniel: What we 'see' in the olympics counts imo not what/how others use it
Vertigo Ethaniel: yes i agree with that
Gaya Ethaniel: What we do with time left counts imo not how others choose to live their lives
Vertigo Ethaniel: well said
Moon Fargis: did you know that more people died under maos regime tthan under hitlers (exept those who felt in war, just civils who died).. this gives the picture on the place a meaning i dont really like
Vertigo Ethaniel: i try to live like that
Fael Illyar: all you can really change, is yourself.
Gaya Ethaniel: So no conflict in me when I see how 'wobbly' the world is
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes Fael
Gaya Ethaniel: And that at times changes other things too
Fael Illyar: interesting how that sentence now has a very different meaning to me than a few days ago
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Vertigo Ethaniel: i have grand visions of a unified and harmonious planet
Vertigo Ethaniel: .... some day
Faenik loves wells!
Moon Fargis: yes some day, 1 or 200 years and the golden age finally is there
Vertigo Ethaniel: what about wells? :)
Fael Illyar: Well, this sentence has a well :P
Gaya Ethaniel: Everything is fleeting... never permanant Fael. I know what you mean... that's why I enjoy watching same films, books, arts etc often occassionally and find different gems in them each time
Gaya Ethaniel uses the colour 'gold' in metta meditation often
Vertigo Ethaniel: by the way, how did you find your marine friends there?
Moon Fargis: gaya: ah? why gold ?
Gaya Ethaniel: I bought it from a store... he's called Bubbly
Gaya Ethaniel: Well Moon
Gaya Ethaniel: you know how I had difficulties with metta meditation?
Moon Fargis: the fishys where a gift ,, dont know where they come from
Vertigo Ethaniel: hmm... wonder if i can find a cat to follow me around..
Moon Fargis: gaya: yes
Fael Illyar has got a fishing rod and fished for hers.
Gaya Ethaniel: I've realised that wishing myself well in words (both in Korean and English) didn't work for me

i changed my avatar into a large tigercat at this moment

you purrzzzzzzzzz
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Gaya Ethaniel will cam carefully to see if Moon follows Vertigo around after the session
Vertigo Ethaniel: haha
Moon Fargis: hehe
Gaya Ethaniel: One day, I came across a different instruction, imagining shapes
you stares at faels fishys
Gaya Ethaniel: btw I don't need to do much imagination these day but was good way to start
Gaya Ethaniel: I waited and saw a golden sphere
Gaya Ethaniel: radiating out of me, increasing and decreasing as I breath in and out
Vertigo Ethaniel: thats a good technique
Gaya Ethaniel: I attached 'well wishing' feelings to that
Gaya Ethaniel: Had problem wishing myself well so focus on the warmth of the shape when it gets smaller and entering my body especially
Fael Illyar: Looks like I've got another wall. This time it seems a wall that keeps compassion down. I managed to lift it a bit but not completely just now.
Gaya Ethaniel: a few days after doing that i was able to expand the sphere out indefinitely... after that I just have vague sense of it no shapes no colours
Gaya Ethaniel: oh?
Gaya Ethaniel: What made you to see it?
Fael Illyar: it was perhaps completely down two days ago.
Gaya Ethaniel: ah... a 'dip'
Fael Illyar: well, a barrier would describe it better I guess
Gaya Ethaniel: ty Vertigo
Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
Moon Fargis: :) well this wall visualisation is a quiet intresting thing... seems you found your own way throught your labyrinth ot mind
Moon Fargis: of
Gaya Ethaniel: I describe my 'down' periods as 'dips' when issues re-surface Fael. But I refrain from saying 'slumps' thou :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes Moon. I'm very sensory...
Vertigo Ethaniel: synesthetic?
Gaya Ethaniel: What does that mean Vertigo?
Gaya Ethaniel: Sorry I'm not native English speaker
you wonders if gaya also got infra red sensors
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Vertigo Ethaniel: its when you associate various senses with each other
Vertigo Ethaniel: see sounds, hear colors
Fael Illyar: Hi Wol :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Could you give me an example pls Vertigo?
Moon Fargis: hi wol
Gaya Ethaniel doesn't really understand herself yet
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Vertigo Ethaniel: no sorry, im not synesthetic :)
Wol Euler: good morning all, sorry I'm late
Vertigo Ethaniel: tho if i took acid....
Vertigo Ethaniel: but some people are naturally
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes certain meditative states can be induced chemically
Vertigo Ethaniel: greetings wol... namaste
Gaya Ethaniel: But I've never taken drugs... so it's hard to say. When I spoke pot once, it didn't do anything to me. I'm also very receptive and fragile so I stay away from any substances
Gaya Ethaniel: smoke*
Wol Euler smiles to Vertigo.
Fael Illyar somehow has always thought it "cheating" to use drugs.
Vertigo Ethaniel: ah yes, i certainly can respect that some people react in different ways
Gaya Ethaniel: So... it's difficult to understand what you mean. Let me look up Korean-English dictionary
Vertigo Ethaniel: note ive never taken acid lol
Vertigo Ethaniel: but i do smoke mj regularly
Moon Fargis: mj?
Gaya Ethaniel: I know people who did/does and am aware of what it does...
Vertigo Ethaniel: pot
Moon Fargis: peace man :)
Wol Euler: lol
Vertigo Ethaniel: haha
Vertigo Ethaniel: and to you :)
Fael Illyar notes that she considers alcohol and nicotine drugs too.
Vertigo Ethaniel: oh certainly
Wol Euler agrees
Vertigo Ethaniel: and im glad you do
Vertigo Ethaniel: most people dont :/
Fael Illyar: caffeine too but it seems I occasionally do use it.
Moon Fargis: yes those 2 dont ave to be forgotten.. but how we shell define drugs ?
Fael Illyar: although, usually not because of it's effects
Vertigo Ethaniel: anything that modifies a persons base behaviour or way of thinking
Wol Euler wonders whether the fish are safe from the Zencat...
Vertigo Ethaniel: in my opinion
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
you purrzzzzzzzzz
Fael Illyar has an invisible protective barrier.
Vertigo Ethaniel: haha
Faenik: indeed?
Gaya Ethaniel tries to look at green tea caffeine free hm...
Gaya Ethaniel nudges Wol to sit by her
Fael Illyar: I do have one caffeine free green tea :)
Wol Euler was just about to do so.
Gaya Ethaniel smiles 'can see everyone's faces more in details this way'
you is drinking giko leafs tea atm to keep up a clear mind today maybe this is also a drug
Vertigo Ethaniel: i think that if our ancestors used substances to further their mental journey, then theres no reason we should not
Gaya Ethaniel smiles at Fael
Faenik: indeed?
Gaya Ethaniel: Moon, Bubbly too small for sashimi ok?
Moon Fargis: hmmmm who knows:)
Wol Euler: I'm not comfortable with such statements, Vertigo. They also cured headches by hitting you with a pointed rock.
Vertigo Ethaniel: anyway, ill shut up, im not trying to convince you all to indulge :)
Vertigo Ethaniel: very true
Wol Euler: to let out hte bad spirist.
Gaya Ethaniel laughs
Vertigo Ethaniel: but i guarantee human intellegence came about because there was a need for it, and because mind altering substances were available
Faenik: could be
Vertigo Ethaniel: who is that :P
Gaya Ethaniel: Everyone has a choice and there are diff ways to explore so nothing wrong with what we do
Wol Euler: /agrees with faenik
Gaya Ethaniel: Faenik is a cat on Fael's shoulder
Fael Illyar: I don't actually mind occasional use of drugs, although I haven't done much of that either (limited to caffeine and alcohol and some others in energy drinks I sometimes drank) .
Vertigo Ethaniel: ah didnt see that
Fael Illyar: but habitual is ... something I doubt it useful.
Fael Illyar: occasional use might shake free insights or realizations difficult to have otherwise.
Wol Euler nods. After a certain level it becomes yet another problem to solve.
Vertigo Ethaniel: mm
Gaya Ethaniel: not only habitual use is like an attachment, the effects I believe decreases
Gaya Ethaniel: with more use*
Vertigo Ethaniel: it doesnt have to. it depends on your level of control. i consider myself quite in control of myself, and take regular breaks.
Vertigo Ethaniel: its just another tool for me
Wol Euler: I believe philosophically that what you do with your own body is none of my business, and try to hold this belief in actual dealings with real people (and avs) too
Gaya Ethaniel: Issues with me using any substances is I am yet to be strong enough not to be attached to using them habitually. That is all. I know myself well in that way and so I stay away from it
Moon Fargis: wol: well then
Moon Fargis: Neck
Moon Fargis: EXTEND!

this gesture streched my neck about 1 meter longer :)

Gaya Ethaniel nods at Wol
Wol Euler: lol
Fael Illyar: :)
Vertigo Ethaniel: gaya, its good that you can see that about yourself, many cant
Gaya Ethaniel laughs
Vertigo Ethaniel: and those and the horror stories you hear about
Wol Euler: for high-flying fish?
Moon Fargis: yes
Vertigo Ethaniel: i certainly dont promote that everyone smoke up, as not everyone is ready for it
Vertigo Ethaniel: anyway...
Gaya Ethaniel: I used to 'abuse' my body and so I know/understand how much (well if at all) I can take it Vertigo
Vertigo Ethaniel: crickey
Vertigo Ethaniel: whats wrong with your head moon?
Moon Fargis: ahhh just looked too long over the girlsbath fence
Wol Euler chuckles
Gaya Ethaniel: Moon just trying to see if Wol changes her behavious towards him that's all
Wol Euler: naaah
Gaya Ethaniel: I know Wol :)
Moon Fargis: okay:)
Gaya Ethaniel: Moon's one of the kind whatever shapes he chooses to be in - can't really alter my attitudes towards him that easily
Wol Euler: it is an interesting question, though, how we react to avs, even to our own. I feel different in other av bodies
Fael Illyar: Interesting that lately I find Moon a bit funnier than I used to.
Gaya Ethaniel: oh?
Gaya Ethaniel: How so?
Moon Fargis: ohh well a good sign i guess:)
Gaya Ethaniel: Care to say more Wol?
Vertigo Ethaniel: the enlongated neck is a good sign :P
Fael Illyar: I guess it has to do with all the attachments I've lost so far
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Gaya Ethaniel: More open I guess Fael
Gaya Ethaniel: Moon's humours get through to you more
Fael Illyar: the attachments are no longer blocking the message
Wol Euler: I am in most of my forms deeply embodied, it is "me" while I inhabit it. Other forms, no embodiment at all.
Gaya Ethaniel: This current one Wol?
Wol Euler: I speak differently, behave diffently.
Wol Euler: this current one is my favourite :-)
Wol Euler: my poor alt hardly gets a look-in :-)=
Vertigo Ethaniel: interesting
Gaya Ethaniel: I know... I found a flying insect av but the skin's not quite right... I feel uncomfortable to be in that av... with others i react somewhat less now in that way
Vertigo Ethaniel: i dont think i could make another character and actively be them both
Vertigo Ethaniel: or even make another full stop
Faenik: why not?
Moon Fargis: well your avs are just doors for other parts of your mind
Wol Euler: my alt came here a few times, but it never "took" as it did for me. Just didn't "get it"
Wol Euler: true, moon!
Moon Fargis: you need to open all doors sometimes to fully understand it
Wol Euler: they are very differnt personalities.
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes Moon, RL person often 'talks' to Gaya throughout the day
Wol Euler smiles and nods
Gaya Ethaniel: Like 'Gaya what do you think?'
Fael Illyar still hasn
Gaya Ethaniel: as I ask my diary
Wol Euler: I find myself loooking in RL shops to see ifhey have things that SL me is looking for
Fael Illyar still hasn't had RL person talking to Fael experience.
Gaya Ethaniel: oh
Fael Illyar: ... oh wait... maybe has
Moon Fargis: wol: both are you
Wol Euler: oh yess
Gaya Ethaniel nods at Moon
Removal of the object 'Juzu Beads' from the simulator is disallowed by the permissions system.
Fael Illyar: just not in words.
Gaya Ethaniel nods

I changed to my little tiny bear avatar atthis moment

Gaya Ethaniel: I tend to use words if I want to ponder longer Fael
Gaya Ethaniel: Conjuring up a concrete discussion if it's something important
Gaya Ethaniel: Still a beginner I am I think :)
Moon Fargis: is my neck still streched ?
Gaya Ethaniel: mm hmm
Fael Illyar: I remember having concrete discussions with myself a couple of years ago.
Moon Fargis: hmm
Gaya Ethaniel laughs
Wol Euler: ah :)
you cracks back into place.
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Wol Euler: yay
Moon Fargis: and now ?
Fael Illyar: the source of my thinking "there is more of me than just me" :P
Gaya Ethaniel: yes Fael
Wol Euler: true
Fael Illyar: today, I sometimes have dialogues in my mind but they're with other people I know.
Gaya Ethaniel: Gaya is an 'image' that I've attached to a particular 'me'
Fael Illyar: perhaps it's because I now have other people I can use for the dialogues I want to have.
Faenik loves wells!
Gaya Ethaniel: Other thoughts/emotions for me are not of a shape or word
Wol Euler: Did "gaya" exist before SL, or has she asisen from your experiences here?
Gaya Ethaniel: Recently Gaya at times becomes 'Being' for me too
Gaya Ethaniel: Since SL Wol
Wol Euler nods.
Moon Fargis: well i think she already existed
Vertigo Ethaniel: really interesting
Gaya Ethaniel: But mostly I listen to my heart
Moon Fargis: you just where able to gave her a form now
Gaya Ethaniel: that for me is Being
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes likely Moon
Vertigo Ethaniel: the me on here is the me in real life
Vertigo Ethaniel: thats just how i view things
Gaya Ethaniel: From 2 days since Gaya isn't Being anymore thou
Wol Euler: oh!
Gaya Ethaniel: It's just my 'heart' now
Fael Illyar: is there a difference?
Gaya Ethaniel is thinking
Gaya Ethaniel: I don't look answers from 'I' anymore I think, that is the difference
Gaya Ethaniel: Gaya is part of me... so no longer I look for her to answer
Gaya Ethaniel: I just talk to her at times that's all
Fael Illyar: makes sense I guess :)
Tiny Hug: you have offered to hug Wol Euler.
Gaya Ethaniel thinks she's talking complete 'tosh'
Tiny Hug whispers: you gives Wol Euler a big hug
Gaya Ethaniel: awww.... so cute
Moon Fargis: just talk gaya:)
Fael Illyar: so, earlier, you were using Gaya as a conduit
Wol Euler thinks gaya is being very sensible
Fael Illyar: to link with Being/your heart
Vertigo Ethaniel pats and strokes wol
Wol Euler purrs
Gaya Ethaniel: Thank you
you purrzzzzzzzzz
Gaya Ethaniel: yes Fael I think that's what I did, using Gaya to reach for Being
Fael Illyar: That's what I had in mind describing trinity to Adams the way I did.
Vertigo Ethaniel: these characters are extensions of ourselves
Gaya Ethaniel: ah... so we were on the same pages yesterday Fael. Just I couldn't quite describe it well
Wol Euler: true, in ways and directions that we may hjave never suspected
Fael Illyar: Father, would be the RL you, Son would be the AV (conduit to Being) and Holy Spirit would be Being
Wol Euler: I never knew that I was Wol until she came into SL.
Gaya Ethaniel: oh who has confused emoticon?
Gaya Ethaniel nods at Fael
Moon Fargis: me:)
Gaya Ethaniel: Moon where did you get it?
Moon Fargis: ohh uhm
Moon Fargis: lets see
Wol Euler: Fael, that is very interesting, thank you!
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes Wol. I've never expected anything like this when I came to SL. It was a marketing research exercises :)
Fael Illyar: Wol, just something that popped up in my mind two days ago :)
Moon Fargis: hmm no landmark, try to search for "Anime emoticon"
Gaya Ethaniel: Cool thanks Moon
Wol Euler: it has the ring of truth to it, though.
Fael Illyar: it's quite in line with how the Bible present the Trinity I think
Fael Illyar: How God can accept and love you through Jesus.
Faenik: indeed?
Fael Illyar: or actually, How God can accept and love himself through Jesus.
Gaya Ethaniel: ah
Gaya Ethaniel: so well put Fael
Gaya Ethaniel gave you Snapshot : The Pavilion for Play as Being, Rieul (178, 144, 75).
Moon Fargis: thanks gaya:)
Vertigo Ethaniel: hmm... im staying well away from christianity
Wol Euler: ty :-)
Gaya Ethaniel: yw
Gaya Ethaniel: you're not in it though Vertigo.. just something to remember by I hope
Vertigo Ethaniel: haha
Fael Illyar: Vertigo, Christianity and Buddhism are about the same thing, really, I think.
Wol Euler: I find it hard to avoid, actually. I'm not a Christian but it is the tradition I grew up in and it has shaped much of my thinnking.
Vertigo Ethaniel: yes i was christian at one point, only because my parents were
Fael Illyar: it's just that Christianity has hierarchies formed around it that are kind of twisting it for their own use.
Vertigo Ethaniel: im since discovered my own path
Fael Illyar: Vertigo, that's quite similar to my own path.
Faenik: could be
Wol Euler nods to Faael
Fael Illyar: but the more and more I realize things through meditation, the more I see how Christianity is about the same thing.
Moon Fargis: moslty all religions are about the same thing
Fael Illyar: At least the same things can be found from the bible
Moon Fargis: they just uses other tools,words and persons to express the thing everyone knows
Fael Illyar: Different languages
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Vertigo Ethaniel: i now consider organised religions the bane of humanity
Fael Illyar: Vertigo, I kind of agree.
Gaya Ethaniel however appreciates the availabilities of 'teachings'
Fael Illyar: ah, phonecall
Gaya Ethaniel: Sure
Wol Euler nonds. I've been trying to articulate the difference I see between "belief" and "religion"
Wol Euler: which is at the bottom this exact point.
Vertigo Ethaniel: noone can make you follow their beliefs... but thats where zen-like beliefs are so great, because everyone can agree on the same thing: that your path is your own path, even tho your paths may take similar directions
Vertigo Ethaniel: and i dont know a single person fitting that description that wills ill on people, at least not to a great degree :P
Fael Illyar: Vertigo, that's what drew me here. The explicit idea that everything you need to know can be found from within.
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Vertigo Ethaniel: sorry, let me shift over for the photos
Gaya Ethaniel: Can I 'download' snapshots to harddrive?
Gaya Ethaniel: Or this has to be done separtely only?
Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
Fael Illyar: only if you save it on the hard drive in the first place.
Wol Euler: hmm, good question. I believe not
Fael Illyar: you can always upload them later if you wish.
Moon Fargis: yes you kan save them from your inventory
Fael Illyar: you could always send them to your email with the postcard sending function too
Moon Fargis: and yes you also can directly snaopshot them to your harddrive
Fael Illyar: oh, you can?
Moon Fargis: yes fullmod textures can be saved
Wol Euler: ah!
Gaya Ethaniel: How do you make shots into textures?
Moon Fargis: open the desired photo or texture, then go to the file pullldownmanu and select save texture
Moon Fargis: both are the same :)
Fael Illyar: I guess that only works if you're the one who took the snapshot
Moon Fargis: no also if you have copy/mod/trans rights
Fael Illyar: well, I have snapshots with full perms and can't save
Moon Fargis: i can save them here
Moon Fargis: the pictures gayagave me
Fael Illyar: Vertigo, anyway, I'm sure you can imagine my surprise when I started discovering Christianity is about the same thing :)
Vertigo Ethaniel: reckon i could find a sort of halo thing like yours fael, but with little yin-yangs that fade in and out around me?
Fael Illyar: My halo thing is something I made myself.
Vertigo Ethaniel: ah ok.
Gaya Ethaniel: Moon show me step by step after PaB please?
Moon Fargis: ok
Vertigo Ethaniel: oh they are actually wings
Fael Illyar: what kind of yin-yangs do you mean?
Gaya Ethaniel: Cool thanks
Fael Illyar: might be easy to add
Fael Illyar: some vector graphics and then some pixel graphics and then texture upload :)
Moon Fargis: oh complete pc crash
Fael Illyar: That happens :)
Vertigo Ethaniel cuddles Moon
Vertigo Ethaniel: better change to something less adorable or ill probably cuddle you more :S

I changed myself to a big monster avatar now

Moon Fargis: now.. you can cuddle
Fael Illyar cuddles Moon monster lovingly.
Moon Fargis: eeek
Vertigo Ethaniel: ahah
Fael Illyar smiles.
Faenik: could be

and this was the right time for me to crash it seems.

After relogin:

Moon Fargis: where did gaya and wol go ?
Vertigo Ethaniel: wow just had a complete camera malfunction
Fael Illyar: Wol left for Breakfast.
Fael Illyar: Gaya was PaBed out
Moon Fargis: ahyes
Faenik: why not?
Moon Fargis: well then lets end pab for now