2008.08.16 13:00 - Hammering pegs into a river bed

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    The guardian for this meeting was Storm Nordwind. The comments are Storm's.

    We started our session with smalltalk, discussing the cushions and the poses we were in! This led to "meditation furniture" in Real Life too.

    Quilty Bookmite: Hi Storm
    Storm Nordwind: Good evening Quilty
    Quilty Bookmite: I see you've put the new cushions here.
    Storm Nordwind: Dakini seems to have done it, not me
    Quilty Bookmite: Ah right. Good choice I think.
    Storm Nordwind: There are the same as in the new place
    Storm Nordwind: except I colour code them differently
    Quilty Bookmite: Yes, I noticed.
    Quilty Bookmite: I didn't notice that. :-)
    Storm Nordwind: My brown ones provide two different kneeling poses
    Storm Nordwind: The blue ones do the same as this
    Quilty Bookmite: Do you know of any meditation benches in SL?
    Quilty Bookmite: Hi Isen
    Storm Nordwind: Since I don't use one in RL I wouldn't know what to look for in SL
    Storm Nordwind: Greetings Isen!
    Isen Enzo: Hi guys!
    Quilty Bookmite: I used to use one. I use a chair now.
    Storm Nordwind: Isen you can touch the cushion for a different pose
    Isen Enzo: ah.
    Isen Enzo: nice
    Isen Enzo: talking about sitting postures?
    Storm Nordwind: Similar to the new place (when we eventually move there!)
    Quilty Bookmite: Well, more meditation furniture.
    Quilty Bookmite: I was asking Storm if he knew of any meditation benches in SL.
    Isen Enzo: I use a "sezia bench" in RL
    doug Sosa: hello all.
    Isen Enzo: But here, I prefer the kneeling position, just because it is nearest to my bench...
    Storm Nordwind: hello doug
    Isen Enzo: Hi doug
    Quilty Bookmite: I used to but my knees couldn;t take it.
    Quilty Bookmite: Hi Doug.
    doug Sosa: why is the color in "chat" different?
    Isen Enzo: donno..
    doug Sosa: Interesting that is SL we actually "feel" the awkwardness of sitting
    Isen Enzo: a pillow is sneaking up on me....
    Storm Nordwind: Isen - if you prefer to kneel, please use the blue cushion. Again two poses
    Isen Enzo: ahhhh
    Storm Nordwind: Better?
    Isen Enzo: yes, thanks!
    Storm Nordwind: Try the alternate pose too by clicking on it
    Isen Enzo: there.
    Storm Nordwind: Very cool
    Isen Enzo: this I like
    doug Sosa: alt pose? Where?
    Storm Nordwind: Click the cushion
    Isen Enzo: like yoda i talk
    doug Sosa: and..?
    Storm Nordwind: Just click it for another pose
    doug Sosa: thanks!
    Storm Nordwind: you're welcome
    Isen Enzo: lotsa guardians here..
    doug Sosa: much better - but why should these pixels make such a difference?
    Isen Enzo: feel very safe..
    Storm Nordwind: knee-deep in them
    Isen Enzo: up to my knees..
    Storm Nordwind: Because SL is an immersive environment
    Quilty Bookmite: I think 4 is the requisite number. :-)
    Isen Enzo: immersive..
    Isen Enzo: radical immersives..
    Isen Enzo: thats what we are..
    Quilty Bookmite: A friend of mine works in cybernetics. He runs a "tank" at the university. Now that's immersion!
    Storm Nordwind: haha Quilty!

    Isen raised some simple but important questions, trying to sort out just what the Play as Being practice entails and what the various times mean.

    Isen Enzo: Are we practicing PaB now?
    Storm Nordwind: I can't speak for the others Isen!
    Isen Enzo: hm..
    doug Sosa: i tend to start the 9 sec wherever i am, and hopefully in the 9 sec much more aware without intent.
    doug Sosa: isen, the 9 sec each fifteen minutes in RL and then talk about them here.
    doug Sosa: them= the results of the 9 sec.
    doug Sosa: but i only do it about five times a day.
    Isen Enzo: nine sec each fifteen, then talk?
    Isen Enzo: at the start of the fifteen?
    Isen Enzo: or the middle..
    doug Sosa: after a while no difference between the end and the start :)
    Storm Nordwind: The talk happens every six hours here
    Isen Enzo: what happens in the nine seconds..
    Quilty Bookmite: Well, we have 7 minutes to wait until the next one.
    Isen Enzo: Guess it depends.
    doug Sosa: that is the idea, to find out, to notice, to feel it.
    Isen Enzo: we have to wait seven minutes for the next nine seconds?
    Storm Nordwind: In the 9 seconds, you pause, take a breath, and play as being Being (whatever 'Being' means for you)
    Isen Enzo: Like a bus stop..
    Quilty Bookmite: 6 minutes now. :-)
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Storm Nordwind: If you were doing 10 minutes meditation a day, it's the same proportion Isen
    Isen Enzo: how do we know when it gets here?
    Quilty Bookmite: There is a gong.
    Isen Enzo: hm
    Isen Enzo: ah!
    Isen Enzo: the gong is here?
    Storm Nordwind: Behind you

    Being a practical kind of guy, Isen got straight up and started wandering around trying to find it!

    doug Sosa: but i don't thenk we do it here often, storm am I right?
    Quilty Bookmite: Yes. In SL.
    Storm Nordwind: to your right Isen
    Isen Enzo: there?
    Storm Nordwind: yes
    Isen Enzo: ah..
    Storm Nordwind: Many people set their watches
    Storm Nordwind: Some people who work at a PC have reminds flash up on screen
    Isen Enzo: for what time?
    Storm Nordwind: Just every 15 minutes
    Isen Enzo: or what interval?
    Storm Nordwind: Most people do it on 00 15 30 45 minutes
    Isen Enzo: okay..
    Isen Enzo: but not necessairly?
    doug Sosa: no, we are a relaxed group.
    Storm Nordwind: It is completely up to each person
    Storm Nordwind: No master with a big stick to whack you into enlightenment
    Quilty Bookmite: I'm sure there are plenty of places in SL you can get that if you want. :-)
    Storm Nordwind: I couldn't possibly imagine Quilty
    Quilty Bookmite: Me neither. :-)
    Isen Enzo: But the bell here is set for 00 15 30 45 ?
    Storm Nordwind: yes it is Isen
    Isen Enzo: ah
    Isen Enzo: sale
    Isen Enzo: brb
    Quilty Bookmite: They stopped using the stick in the order I'm in.
    Quilty Bookmite: Too open to abuse.
    Storm Nordwind: Ran out of bandages?
    Quilty Bookmite: Maybe that too. :-)

    Wol joined us.

    Quilty Bookmite: Hi Wol.
    Storm Nordwind waves to Wol
    Wol Euler: good evening, all.
    doug Sosa: hi wol.
    Quilty Bookmite: Evening Wol?
    Isen Enzo: doh!
    Wol Euler: evening for me at least :-)
    Quilty Bookmite: Are you another European?
    Storm Nordwind: That was the bell Isen! :)
    Quilty Bookmite: Me too.
    Wol Euler: Germany
    Quilty Bookmite: Ah right. Then it's night for you.
    Wol Euler: 10:16 p.m.
    Isen Enzo: That's it then?
    Quilty Bookmite: And I missed the bell. Not paying attention.
    Storm Nordwind: The bell went off yes Isen
    Isen Enzo: Well, during my nine seconds...
    Storm Nordwind: and will do again in 15 minutes
    Quilty Bookmite beats self with stick.
    Isen Enzo: I talked with a bookstore customer...
    Isen Enzo: about the mild winter we're having this summer..
    Storm Nordwind laughs
    Wol Euler: heh, true here.
    Quilty Bookmite: it's the same here.
    Quilty Bookmite: Very wet and not very warm.
    doug Sosa: Here dry and less fog than summer usual.

    With the bell having gone off on the 15 minute boundary, doug decided to describe immediately what his 9 seconds experience had been. And we all followed suit.

    doug Sosa: in the 9 sec the focus shifted to colors and a tight stomache.
    Storm Nordwind: In my 9 seconds, all separateness disappeared and I saw briefly as Being, just becoming. No barriers
    Quilty Bookmite: In my (late) 9 seconds nothing happened.
    doug Sosa: nothing happened. wow. that is amazing.
    Isen Enzo: How long do we talk about our nine seconds?
    Storm Nordwind: Mostly we don't, because we are at work, or at home etc
    Isen Enzo: I heard the bell, but couldn't do anything about it..
    Storm Nordwind: Here, we may not do so at all
    Isen Enzo: had to deal with RL
    Isen Enzo: and SL
    Quilty Bookmite: After a lot of years of meditation that happens a lot Doug. :-)
    Storm Nordwind: Many people summarise their experiences on a blog or other journal and talk about the summary here once a day
    Isen Enzo: I see..
    Storm Nordwind: So we don't normally do a round robin every 15 minutes here
    Storm Nordwind: But perhaps that would be a good idea!
    doug Sosa: because the 9 sec is so bounded, it is fairly easy to see how it is different from the surrounding flow.
    Wol Euler is dealing with RL on her laptop in parallel, and will be intermittent. Sorry.
    Isen Enzo: nine seconds..
    Isen Enzo: of whatever.
    doug Sosa: The flow is part of the illusion of time. Behind the flow there is being. Let being see you.

    I mentioned the "fishing" idea of Pema's.

    Storm Nordwind: It's bait on a hook Isen!
    Isen Enzo: hmmm
    Isen Enzo: trying to catch me?
    Isen Enzo: or someone else?
    Storm Nordwind: Trying to catch your other 891 seconds!
    Isen Enzo: aaaaaaaa

    Since Isen was an old friend who has his own practice, I brought up extensions to the Play as Being practice. First YSBS...

    Storm Nordwind: There are extensions of this practice that people have tried
    Storm Nordwind: I found one of them possible to do continually
    Isen Enzo: like zazen?
    Storm Nordwind: Sorry Isen, what's like zazen?
    Isen Enzo: an example of an extension of this practice?
    Storm Nordwind: Ah... no
    Isen Enzo: longer than nine seconds..
    Storm Nordwind: Let me explain...
    Isen Enzo: ok
    Storm Nordwind: The first extension is called YSBS...
    Storm Nordwind: which means...
    Isen Enzo: ?
    Storm Nordwind: You Seeing Being Seeing
    Storm Nordwind: Realistically it takes more than 9 seconds
    Storm Nordwind: and I've found that every 15 minutes is ambitious!
    Storm Nordwind: Anyway what happens is this...
    Isen Enzo: ..
    Storm Nordwind: First the You Seeing bit...
    Isen Enzo: mm
    Storm Nordwind: You look at the world around you - a cone of vision - inside and out and simply see
    Isen Enzo: bare awareness?
    Storm Nordwind: Yes.
    Storm Nordwind: Then you switch to Being Seeing
    Storm Nordwind: And - hard to describe - you let Being see through your eyes. You see AS Being
    Isen Enzo: no more you seeing?
    Storm Nordwind: To do that you 'become'
    Storm Nordwind: That's right, no more individual you
    Isen Enzo: zip for me?
    Storm Nordwind: The result for me was devastatingly powerful
    Isen Enzo: ixnay emay?
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Storm Nordwind: With you seeing as Being everything changes...
    Storm Nordwind: but... hey... I don't want to preempt anyone else's experiences
    doug Sosa: Yes, it is powerful. Piet showed me an early version. look at a painting, then have the painting look at you. Very different.

    Then ESBS...

    Storm Nordwind: The second extension is ESBS
    Isen Enzo: hm
    Storm Nordwind: The BS is the same - Being Seeing
    Storm Nordwind: The ES, which you are encouraged to do first, is seeing as an Enlightened Being
    Isen Enzo: m
    Storm Nordwind: In ES you imagine yourself as an enlightened being and see what you see
    Storm Nordwind: I found at first I needed to do YS first
    Isen Enzo: kinda tantra-ish?
    Storm Nordwind: Yes!
    Isen Enzo: aha
    Storm Nordwind: But I don't tell everyone that!

    Quilty had a important question. That is both hard and easy to answer.

    Quilty Bookmite: How do you know what it is like to be an enlightened being?
    Storm Nordwind: When you get there you know, without a shadow of doubt

    A mahatma once likened like this to me: "When the sun comes up you don't go looking for it with a torch!"

    Isen Enzo: real realization!
    Storm Nordwind: Yes
    Isen Enzo: really real realization!!
    Storm Nordwind: YES!
    Storm Nordwind: Now interestingly I have found ES to be the consciousness I want to stay in 24 hours a day
    Storm Nordwind: Rather than BS
    Storm Nordwind: I had expected them to be the same experience and they are not
    Storm Nordwind: I guess there is the Mahayana "let's remove suffering" motive in me

    Isen handed rounded a note card about realisation.

    Isen Enzo gave you 8-2-08 Is It Really Realization II.
    Quilty Bookmite: I still don't get it. How can you imagine yourself to be an enlightened being?
    Storm Nordwind: Well Quilty...
    Wol Euler: ty!
    Storm Nordwind: And thank you Isen!
    doug Sosa: :)
    Storm Nordwind: Let me see...
    Quilty Bookmite: Thanks Isen.

    Meanwhile I got tangled in misunderstanding with Quilty.

    Storm Nordwind: Many people are trained by degrees to do this...
    Storm Nordwind: It's not in the scope of Play as Being I think for me to describe those
    Storm Nordwind: But Isen is right, there are practices like generation stage Mahamudra tantra that teach you this
    Quilty Bookmite: but it is a PaB practice.
    Storm Nordwind: No
    Storm Nordwind: It's the same goal
    Storm Nordwind: the way to get there is an attempt that bypasses many other practices
    Storm Nordwind: It's an exploration remember
    Storm Nordwind: This is not a set practice
    Storm Nordwind: Though it draws on them
    Quilty Bookmite: OK, maybe practice is the wrong word.
    Quilty Bookmite: It's a PaB experiment but it's not in the scope of PaB to explain how to do it?
    Storm Nordwind: Hmm... I think I must have goofed my explanation! Sorry...
    Quilty Bookmite: No problem. I may be playing a little more ignorant than I am, looking for a clear explanation. Sorry.
    Storm Nordwind: It's not in the scope of PaB to explain how others do it
    Quilty Bookmite: That's fair enough.
    Storm Nordwind: (others in other practices)
    Quilty Bookmite: I am only asking about PaB.
    Storm Nordwind: I can tell you what I did though
    Storm Nordwind: If you read Pema's notes on this he approaches it always from the point of view of 'play'
    Storm Nordwind: Which means he rarely dictates what is the method for each person
    Storm Nordwind: But I took a very simple approach
    Storm Nordwind: It didn't rely on the cultivation of 'divine pride' that some religious based approaches do
    Storm Nordwind: I simply relied on the faith that is certainty not belief...
    Storm Nordwind: and I simply said, "I am an enlightened being"
    Storm Nordwind: And instantly I saw as one
    Storm Nordwind: If I were to take a very long and possibly religious view, I might say I'd had previous experience and practice and was therefore able to do it instantly

    What more could I say. For me it was as simple as that. And as instant. And as complete.

    Meanwhile a bunch of other people were joining us. I looked around and discovered doug had again evaporated without a word.

    Quilty Bookmite: Hi Fael.
    Quilty Bookmite: hi Gaya.
    Storm Nordwind waves to Fael
    Wol Euler: hello fael, hello gaya
    Fael Illyar: Hi Quilty, Storm, Wol, Isen :)
    Quilty Bookmite: I think I understand Storm.
    Wol Euler: tomo, do join us.
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Quilty Bookmite: Hi Fael. Isen is behind you.
    Tomo Yuitza: domo
    Fael Illyar: Hello Tomo :)
    Quilty Bookmite: Hi Tomo
    Storm Nordwind: Hello Tomo
    Tomo Yuitza: hello
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Storm Nordwind: Hello Gaya
    Tomo Yuitza nods his head politely in acknowledgement

    I synced in the others about our discussion.

    Storm Nordwind: We are talking about PaB, YSBS and (currently) ESBS
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah thank you Storm
    Quilty Bookmite: So do you think people who haven't had your experience Storm can use this method?
    Storm Nordwind: Quilty asked how to get to the ES state. How to imagine oneself as an enlightened being.
    Storm Nordwind: I don't know Quilty
    Storm Nordwind: It was easy for me. That's all I know
    Quilty Bookmite: Fair enough. :-)
    Storm Nordwind: I expect other things would be better for others
    Tomo Yuitza: surely, to imagine oneself as already enlightened is to remove the journey...?
    Storm Nordwind: Yes it is
    Storm Nordwind: But the journey continues after that!
    Quilty Bookmite: I doubt if it is that easy.

    I mentioned some words I'd seen recently written by Pema on ESBS. Actually a disagreement! Though one which was probably only a limitation of words.

    Storm Nordwind: There is one thing that I disagree with Pema on - though perhaps it is just terminology
    Storm Nordwind: Pema likened ES to God or Goddess seeing.
    Storm Nordwind: And I do not equate a god or goddess with an enlightened being
    Storm Nordwind: But perhaps these are just words
    Wol Euler nods, there is a difference for me too.
    Storm Nordwind: Certainly none of the gods I've met have been enlightened! ;)
    Wol Euler: lol
    Fael Illyar: Storm, what's the difference?
    Storm Nordwind: between?
    Fael Illyar: god/goddess and enlightened being :)
    Quilty Bookmite: Depends on how you define a god.
    Storm Nordwind: I can only give you a straight Buddhist point of view
    Storm Nordwind: And also my own experience

    Our newcomer, Tomo, shifted the discussion a little. He talked about Shinto.

    Tomo Yuitza: have oyu ever laced some principles of Shintoism into your practice?
    Storm Nordwind: If we have, not knowingly. I did in a parallel way when I was a Heathen
    Storm Nordwind: (Heathenry is a north European polytheist pagan religion that reveres ancestors too)
    Tomo Yuitza: ko shinto flows well alongside, i feel
    Quilty Bookmite: Are you Japanese Tomo?
    Storm Nordwind: Please explain for us :)
    Tomo Yuitza: I'm not Japanese, no
    Quilty Bookmite: Interesting, I've not heard of non-Japanese people practicing Shintoism.
    Quilty Bookmite: I don't know much about it though.
    Tomo Yuitza: i don't practice it per-se
    Storm Nordwind has heard of Japanese people wanting to practise Heathenry!
    Tomo Yuitza: i'm just always learning, and i'll be moving there next year
    Quilty Bookmite: Ah. I see.
    Storm Nordwind: Do you have Japanese ancestry Tomo?
    Gaya Ethaniel says that Koreans were forced to practice Shintoism during colonisation
    Tomo Yuitza: not as far as i'm aware, no
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you Gaya
    Quilty Bookmite: I didn't know that Gaya. Thanks.
    Storm Nordwind: I thought - maybe wrongly - that ancestors are a big part of Shinto
    Tomo Yuitza: ko shinto, of course, pre-dates shinto
    Gaya Ethaniel: yw <smile>
    Tomo Yuitza: there are no visual representaitons
    Quilty Bookmite: Not heard of Ko Shinto.
    Storm Nordwind: So when you said "ko shinto flows well alongside", in what way did you mean?
    Tomo Yuitza: i just feel that by breaking our environment into smaller elements, i can gain a greater understanding of how everything works together as i piece it back together myself.
    Quilty Bookmite: Ah. Wikipedia is enlightening. :-)
    Tomo Yuitza: and then reflect on it as a whole
    Storm Nordwind: So it is a contemplative practice Tomo?
    Fael Illyar: both approaches at once, like it should be :)
    Tomo Yuitza: i really don't know that much about buddhism, shinto or anything else. I'm just collecting thoughts that resonate with me
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Tomo Yuitza: it's certainly contemplative for me, hai
    Storm Nordwind: Fair enough

    Quilty had to leave and Wol took the opportunity to get chat-logging permission from our newcomer.

    Quilty Bookmite: I must be going, just as it is getting interesting. :-(
    Quilty Bookmite: Thank you all.
    Storm Nordwind: It has already been interesting. Thank you as ever for your contribution Quilty
    Tomo Yuitza: nice meeting you
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar: See you later Quilty :)
    Wol Euler: (has anyone asked Tomo about logging?)
    Storm Nordwind: No. Please do!
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: Tono, we publish a log of our meetings on a website. May we mention your name and include your contributions?
    Wol Euler: http://playasbeing.wiki.is/
    Wol Euler: correction: http://playasbeing.wik.is/, sorry
    Tomo Yuitza: sure, as long as it kind of made any sense...
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Storm Nordwind: yes it did!

    I'm always interested how people stumble upon these discussions, so I asked straight out. And it led to a restatement of Play as Being and some interesting questions about timing.

    Storm Nordwind: What brought you here Tomo? I think I have not met you here before. (We hold meetings every 6 hours here)
    Wol Euler: (sorry, I must jmp out for a few minutes)
    Tomo Yuitza: i met... someone, i have forgotten their name, last night and appreciated their hospitality as i am new to this whole Sl thing
    Gaya Ethaniel: ok Wol
    Tomo Yuitza: so i thought i'd nip back
    Storm Nordwind: Great!
    Storm Nordwind: Did they explain what we talk about here?
    Tomo Yuitza: briefly yes, i think so
    Storm Nordwind: Cool. Well we've been covering quite a lot of basic stuff here tonight (for me, in the UK, tonight)
    Storm Nordwind: All related to the focus of the practice called Play as Being
    Tomo Yuitza: this is the 'every 15 mins' idea?
    Storm Nordwind: Yes
    Storm Nordwind: 9 seconds every 15 minutes
    Storm Nordwind: throughout the day if you can
    Tomo Yuitza: i see. i actually did it a few times throughout the day, when i could remember, but alas there is the most simple of problems for me...
    Storm Nordwind: /
    Storm Nordwind: oh?
    Tomo Yuitza: as many philosophers have eluded, we will never attain a state equivalent to that of our pre-literate state. And so 9 seconds seems like an unresolved unit to me
    Tomo Yuitza: living as we are, in a world made of man-made decimals
    Storm Nordwind: Do you know why 9 seconds was chosen?
    Tomo Yuitza: no, please, go on...
    Storm Nordwind: It is an arbitrary number, but I will explain...
    Storm Nordwind: The person who put forward this idea is Pema Pera...
    Storm Nordwind: and he suggested we impose on ourselves a "1% time tax"...
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Gaya Ethaniel: Good day everyone
    Fael Illyar: Hello Avastu :)
    Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
    Storm Nordwind: during which we explore this way of being with Being
    Storm Nordwind: Now 1% of a waking day would be equivalent to a single 10 minute session each day
    Storm Nordwind: We are exploring substituting frequency for duration...
    Tomo Yuitza: i see
    Storm Nordwind: although we are using the 9 seconds as bait on a hook...
    Storm Nordwind: to catch the other 891 seconds with!
    Storm Nordwind: The 1% is arbitrary, but most people can donate 1% of the energy or income or time to a cause worthy of exploration
    Storm Nordwind: and so the figure was chosen
    Fael Illyar: wb Wol :)
    Wol Euler: hello again
    Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
    Storm Nordwind waves to Wol

    Tomo had an interesting metaphor about the idea of regularity...

    Tomo Yuitza: the other thing that struck me was that 15 minute time-slots are regular
    Storm Nordwind: Many people respond well to regularity like that
    Tomo Yuitza: usually i seek to think when the eb and flow of the day inspires me too
    Storm Nordwind: That's fine too in my opinion
    Tomo Yuitza: regularity seems like hammering pegs into a river bed
    Tomo Yuitza: musch of the current sweeps by unopposed
    Storm Nordwind: Interesting analogy, but the point is - as with anything else like this - to encourage a habit
    Tomo Yuitza: of course... i can understand it is beneficial to some
    Storm Nordwind: I know many people who, without a discipline, would do nothing at all
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Storm Nordwind: Even if you hammer pegs into a river bed, if you hammer them into a pattern, you can eventually build a dam and use its potential :)
    Tomo Yuitza: but then, to hammer many pegs takes time. one may simply fell a tree in one swoop and achieve the same
    Tomo Yuitza laughs
    Storm Nordwind: Ah yes... if you have the tools or the strength. Hammering pegs can be done by most anyone!
    Tomo Yuitza: i have no idea what i'm on about now really
    Tomo Yuitza: just experimenting
    Storm Nordwind laughs good naturedly
    Storm Nordwind: Great!!
    Storm Nordwind: This is called Play as Being after all
    Storm Nordwind: Playing like that is good!
    Fael Illyar: you've hit the nail on the head :)
    Tomo Yuitza: the nail in the peg in the river?
    Tomo Yuitza chortles
    Storm Nordwind smiles

    Fabulous! A wonderful example of the playfulness we bring to this project. We wound up now with some basic information about the timing of these meetings.

    Tomo Yuitza: so, is there any group i can join to receive notifications of... 'stuff'..?
    Wol Euler: the stuff mostly happens here, Tomo, or on our website.
    Storm Nordwind: I recommend looking at the Wiki in real life
    Storm Nordwind: and coming here, as Wol says
    Wol Euler: we meet every 6 ours, 1 am 7 am 1 pm 7 pm (ST time)
    Storm Nordwind: What timezone are you on Tomo?
    Tomo Yuitza: GMT
    Storm Nordwind: Fine. Then 3 and 9
    Wol Euler: ah, a fellow Euro?
    Tomo Yuitza: ja
    Wol Euler: ach sowas! wo denn?
    Storm Nordwind: I am in Glasgow so it's 3/9/3/9 for me
    Tomo Yuitza: Nord-Ost England
    Storm Nordwind: Jordie?
    Tomo Yuitza: ...
    Tomo Yuitza: no way
    Storm Nordwind: hehe!
    Wol Euler chuckles
    Tomo Yuitza: though i just graduated from Newcastle Uni
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Storm Nordwind: Congratulations :)
    Tomo Yuitza: thanks
    Storm Nordwind: Theoretically these meetings are scheduled for half and hour, from 3/9/3/9 o'clock
    Storm Nordwind: But as you can see by the time, they can go on longer!
    Tomo Yuitza: indeed! sorry for keeping you all. I had better get off now anyway though
    Tomo Yuitza: i will try to stop by at some point
    Storm Nordwind: It's been great to see you here
    Wol Euler: heh, not your fault Tomo.
    Storm Nordwind: You're always welcome
    Storm Nordwind: And always welcome to stay as long as you want
    Tomo Yuitza: thanks. mata ne, kiwotsukete!
    Wol Euler: but I too must go, it's been a long week of late nights and I am very tired.
    Avastu Maruti: good bye my friend
    Fael Illyar: Ok, Hope to see you here again, Tomo :)
    Fael Illyar: See you later Wol :)
    Wol Euler: good night all
    Storm Nordwind: Goodnight Wol.
    Avastu Maruti: good bye my friend
    Storm Nordwind: Perhaps that's a good point at which to close
    Avastu Maruti: good bye my friends
    Fael Illyar: Well, I'll have to be going as well, see you all later :)
    Storm Nordwind: Namaste
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