2008.08.23 13:00 - Logs - and a veil drawn

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    The guardian for this meeting was Storm Nordwind. The comments are Storm's.

    This short log is the result of a substantial edit in response to the request of one participant.

    Adams Rubble: Hello Storm, Quen :)
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Adams
    Storm Nordwind: You're still a fuzzy cloud to me so far
    Adams Rubble: Hello Doug :)
    Adams Rubble: Ah, a wispy cloud....
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Pia
    Storm Nordwind: Hi doug
    doug Sosa: hi all :)
    Pia Iger: Hi, Everyone,
    Adams Rubble: Hello Pia :)
    Storm Nordwind: quen does not seem to be talking. Does anyone know if she has been here before?
    Adams Rubble: Yes, she has
    Storm Nordwind: ok thank you
    doug Sosa: queen, join us.

    But quen remained an oblivious apparition throughout our session.

    doug Sosa: mwanwhile, back at the ranch..
    Adams Rubble: moooooo
    doug Sosa: I never understood why a cow moos. what do they know about being we don't?
    Storm Nordwind: Hmmm... I shall resist the urge to sing my "cow trilogy"
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Storm Nordwind: "Nothing" it seems :)

    I wondered whether doug was likening "moo" to the Japanese word "mu" often referred to in Zen practice. Mu can mean "none', "without", "no thing" ...

    I asked about the trawl for the "Best of Blog" search of the chat logs.

    Storm Nordwind: How is the "treasure hunt" going Pia?
    Pia Iger: On the way. I hope I can get more hands to help.
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Adams Rubble looks at feet
    Storm Nordwind: It is a worthy cause
    Pia Iger: I can easily locate the treasures, but it takes time to upload them on wiki properly.
    doug Sosa: bravo for taking it on.
    Adams Rubble: yes :)
    Storm Nordwind: Oh! And I had thought that locating them was the hardest bit
    Pia Iger: I already saved some excerpts before, so I have them in my folders. Just need to rename and upload them.
    Pia Iger: when only Storm, Maxine, and Cal were members in April, May, I was just reading logs.
    Storm Nordwind: That seems such a long time ago!
    Adams Rubble: Before my time
    Pia Iger: before Pia was born too.
    Pia Iger: in SL, I meant.
    Pia Iger: anyway, the project already started, and I personally want it to get in some shape in a week.
    Storm Nordwind: That'll be great
    Pia Iger: Please let me know if you guys think of anything.
    Adams Rubble: Yes :)
    Storm Nordwind: I have to be careful with what I commit to helping on, otherwise I get spread too thin!
    Pia Iger: I understand, Storm. You've already taken a lot.
    Pia Iger: I won't poke you.
    Adams Rubble is glad since she is in between
    Storm Nordwind: I'm currently trying to work out a layout and design for the Kira buildings. Trying to do that as a priority at the moment
    Storm Nordwind: It didn't help when I destroyed the coastline around your guardian plot and had to reshape it! :)
    Storm Nordwind: And I have been an avid reader up to recently of other people's blogs, and I've way behind on that too!
    Storm Nordwind: Plenty of gems awaiting me I expect
    Adams Rubble looks at the ceiling

    Pia mentioned a recent megalog! And I found I had no benchmark.

    Pia Iger: today Adelene post a log of 8000 words, OMG!
    Storm Nordwind: OH!!!!
    Pia Iger: hard to catch up reading.
    Storm Nordwind: chat log from here?
    Pia Iger: yes. last nigth 7pm session.
    Adams Rubble: Some of the sessions have been rather long
    Storm Nordwind: Actually I have no clue what the average is anyway
    Pia Iger: 2000-3000 words are avarage.
    Storm Nordwind: There is some measuring device somewhere?
    Pia Iger: Wiki automatic counts, You can see the numbers on "recent changes" page.
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you
    Adams Rubble: That's modern technology for you :)

    We talked about most read logs on the Wiki. I wondered what it was that attracted people to read certain ones rather than others.

    Pia Iger: and I just found Riddle's "six hour session" was the second most read log.
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pia Iger: 432 views.
    Adams Rubble: What is the first?
    Pia Iger: My "follow the flow" , 490 views
    Pia Iger: that was short one.
    Adams Rubble: Ah :)
    Adams Rubble: That's quite a few hits considering how many we are
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Storm Nordwind: I wonder if there's any link between popularity and who is attending, or how many attend, or even what time of the day it is.
    Pia Iger: no idea.
    Adams Rubble: Do mean is there a star being born :)
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Pia Iger: a star?
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Adams Rubble: Someone popular Pia :)
    Pia Iger: I have been wondering how people decide to allocate their time and energy.
    Storm Nordwind: yes
    Pia Iger: maybe a too big question
    Storm Nordwind: Perhaps, but could give useful insights
    Adams Rubble: Maybe a little the way we do it
    Pia Iger: yes, it is crucial. We all have limited time and energy.
    Adams Rubble: They may be hits from a search. A longer log would have a greater chance of hits

    doug warned us of his imminent departure.

    doug Sosa: i have limited myself to half an hour here and I am so far not reading.
    Adams Rubble: Often people react to things you say after you leave Doug
    Pia Iger: not tempted to read at all, Doug?
    Adams Rubble: Sometimes a long discussion ensues
    Pia Iger: Yes, Doug just throw some wide talks, then left us pondering
    doug Sosa: Oh yes very tempted, but there is just too much facing me each day, lots of projects that require intense focus.
    Storm Nordwind: That's OK. You can continue to tease us! :)
    doug Sosa: Perhas better to come less frequently for longer.
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pia Iger: I have made a mental note to myself, to make sure to dig out the good words from Doug.
    doug Sosa: and lunch calls.. please humble pardon.
    doug Sosa: :)
    Storm Nordwind: bye for now doug

    Adams told us of an Olympian feat of attendance at the pavilion.

    Adams Rubble: This is my 10th session in a row :)
    Pia Iger: what?
    Storm Nordwind: Oh! When have you seen sleeping?
    Adams Rubble: Pema's at ten too, he has been one ahead
    Adams Rubble: I expect he will be here
    Adams Rubble: :)

    With Pema now on Japanese time, I thought that unlikely.

    Adams Rubble: I am home recuperating
    Adams Rubble: Been waking up and attending sessions :)
    Adams Rubble: temporary insanity
    Adams Rubble: It has been insteresting to see the contrasts so close together
    Pia Iger: sounds like PaB retreat.
    Adams Rubble: I don;t recommend it though
    Adams Rubble: Yes, a second one for me
    Adams Rubble: Before things get really busy
    Pia Iger: what is the contrast you see?
    Adams Rubble: But I can see where it cuts into time from PaB away from sessions
    Adams Rubble: We have had an unbelievably tense session and many silly sessions and some with a little of each, just as usual
    Adams Rubble: It's the closeness that stands out
    Adams Rubble: Don't know how to say that and make any sense
    Pia Iger: take your time
    Adams Rubble: Concentrated PaB
    Storm Nordwind: And have you had chance to reflect on those contrasts before this session?
    Adams Rubble: Maybe it's a little like Being
    Adams Rubble: One feels it
    Adams Rubble: Actually, Storm, I think I am on the edge of soemthing else I am near ready to see
    Adams Rubble: I am dancing around it
    Pia Iger: Oh?
    Storm Nordwind: Cool
    Storm Nordwind: I can sympathise with that feeling
    Adams Rubble: This one may be even more personal
    Adams Rubble: It is hard to imagine how :)
    Adams Rubble: but I feel it
    Adams Rubble: The last one opened up new possibilities of the way identities get hidden
    Adams Rubble: I know there is something else there
    Storm Nordwind: Is there a kind of threshold you need to cross?
    Adams Rubble: I don;t think it is a threshold
    Adams Rubble: Maybe you're in the dark about my last one Storm
    Storm Nordwind: Almost definitely! My apologies

    Adams then told us at length about a personal matter. The log is respectfully silent for some considerable time.

    Afterwards we discussed a little about another meditation technique I had once disclosed.

    Adams Rubble: BTW, I used your Faru meditation when I first realized thoughts were preventing me from seeing
    Storm Nordwind: Oh. And?
    Adams Rubble: It helped me see, then the thoughts came
    Adams Rubble: I struggled some more and saw, then more thoughts
    Adams Rubble: It was the first step to seeing the thoughts attaching to pictures
    Storm Nordwind: I am pleased that it has been useful to you. I sometimes am hesitant to discuss these kinds of techniques here.
    Adams Rubble: It is good to have some tools when we need them :)
    Storm Nordwind: Sure. And that and my intuition seemed to say it was OK.
    Storm Nordwind: But the problem arises if things go wrong. It is hard to provide support sometimes remotely.
    Adams Rubble: yes, I understand that well
    Adams Rubble: It takes some courage and faith
    Pia Iger: and cautious.
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Pia Iger: I can agree on your above note that seeing thoughts attaching to what you saw. it may be the best result I got from PaB.
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: There are so many things :)
    Pia Iger: being able to observe what attachment, assumption we unknowinly attached to what we actually see.
    Adams Rubble: yes

    I embarked on a metaphor, suddenly realising that it might be lost on a non-European audience, and quickly abandoned it. I was trying to say... oh, never mind!

    Storm Nordwind: I find it is like motoring and suddenly taking the car out of gear and coasting in neutral...
    Adams Rubble: Interesting metaphor
    Storm Nordwind understands this may be a difficult concept for non-stick shift Americans to follow
    Adams Rubble: I was trying to imagine what could go wrong with Faru then remembered I was walking on a tow path between a river and a canal
    Adams Rubble: Haha - Storm
    Adams Rubble: I learned to drive a stick shift :)
    Adams Rubble: Don't like to though

    And we went our separate ways.

    Pia Iger: I will go back to my digging now. see you later!
    Storm Nordwind: OK Pia. Great to see you
    Adams Rubble: OK Pia, good to see you
    Storm Nordwind: I think I too will go.
    Adams Rubble: Yes, we did an hour
    Adams Rubble: Good to see you too :)
    Storm Nordwind: True. Rather ramshackle and some private. But yes we did! :)
    Adams Rubble: bye :)
    Storm Nordwind: Always a pleasure to chat with you. See you later!
    Adams Rubble: OK :)
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