2008.08.24 07:00 - Hell

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    Officially there was no Guardian but it was to be Adams's slot by next week. Adams had posted her log in the wrong place and Fael ended up posting this one when Pema was asking for it. Comments are Fael's.

     When I arrived at the meeting, Adams was already there.

    Adams Rubble: Hell fael :)
    Fael Illyar: Hi Adams :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello
    Adams Rubble: How are you today?
    Fael Illyar: I'm good, you?
    Adams Rubble: OK, I'm geting around much better than I thought I would
    Faenik: ah :)
    Fael Illyar: around ... what?
    Adams Rubble: Walking around the house. I had a few brief walks outside
    Adams Rubble: I have to keep reminding myself to go slowly
    Fael Illyar: Ah, your leg
    Fael Illyar: Sounds positive :)
    Adams Rubble: Yes, it is encouraging :)
    Adams Rubble: Hmm lag
    Adams Rubble: tehre it is

    Avastu arrives.

    Fael Illyar: Hi Avastu :)
    Adams Rubble: Hell Avastu :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello
    Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
    Avastu Maruti: friends
    Adams Rubble: I am having trouble with "o"s this morning
    Fael Illyar: so it seems :)
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Adams Rubble: Does anyone have anything they would like to talk about?
    Fael Illyar: Somehow, not quite.
    Adams Rubble: Ah
    Adams Rubble: I have been chasing my tail for a couple of days and am just beginning to settle down so I am no help with a topic

    Adams tries to tell us she's no help with a topic while introducing a very good one.

    Fael Illyar: ah, but that sounds like a wonderful topic :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Dizzying
    Faenik loves wells!
    Fael Illyar: what tail is this?
    Adams Rubble: Just the proverbial tail
    Adams Rubble: In Pema's terms, I was trying to help God
    Fael Illyar: Ah
    Adams Rubble: How foolish these mortals be - Shakespeare
    Fael Illyar: like a child wanting to help her mother but not quite able to.
    Adams Rubble: Yes, that one Fael
    Fael Illyar: Avastu, Sg sends condolences about not being able to sit on your lap right now as she's here sitting next to me in RL :)
    Avastu Maruti: maybe next time
    Fael Illyar: She also wanted me to say ***<3<3<3***
    Avastu Maruti smiles - hello my friend tenhikki
    Fael Illyar: *
    Adams Rubble is thinking that this is my favorite combination of table top and curtain with the painting

    Sudden topic change.

    Fael Illyar falls down laughing.
    Adams Rubble: There is an interesting combination of bird sounds in SL with real brids here in RL
    Adams Rubble: I am having trouble figuring which is which
    Fael Illyar: Yes, that's always fun to listen to real and SL ones mixed :)
    Faenik: ah :)

    Then it shifts naturally back ... interesting the way it happened.

    Adams Rubble: I really expected to be seeing more since my insight last weekend. I am surprised that nothing has appaared to me
    Adams Rubble: Storm yesterday said that it is like driving
    Fael Illyar: are you expecting to see something?
    Adams Rubble: He likes to take the car out of gearand let it coast
    Adams Rubble: Yes I was Fael
    Fael Illyar: that's why nothing appears.
    Adams Rubble: I think it is more subtle
    Avastu Maruti smiles
    Avastu Maruti: you said you are hearing the birds...
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Avastu Maruti: what else are you waiting for?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar: Really, what else are you waiting for?
    Adams Rubble: There are years of habits...one forgets
    Fael Illyar: yes?
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Adams Rubble: Avastu has reminded me
    Avastu Maruti: and what replaces the birdsong, that makes one forget?
    Faenik: ah :)

    A reminder to not get caught in the side effects but continue on the path.

    Adams Rubble: Struggle with identity, sgtruggle with "self"
    Fael Illyar: why struggle?
    Avastu Maruti: and these thoughts of struggle - aren't they also seen or heard, just like the bird?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Thank you
    Faenik: indeed?
    Adams Rubble: It is interesting that I am finding the need to be reminded
    Adams Rubble: But I can watch that too :)
    Fael Illyar: It's good to be aware of such needs :)
    Adams Rubble: Hell Quen :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello
    Fael Illyar: Hello Quen :)
    Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
    quen Oh: hello all
    Adams Rubble has'nt got a greeting right yet this morning
    quen Oh: lol
    quen Oh: hell...
    Avastu Maruti: it's definitely Sunday because Adams keeps referring to hell

    This is the first joke I've seen from Avastu :) Surprise and amusement follow.

    quen Oh: lol
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar falls down laughing
    Adams Rubble checks the o key
    quen Oh: nice coffee table discussion on hell?
    Fael Illyar: It's an interesting topic, yes :)
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Adams Rubble: Hell is a place where we do not see :)

    Cal appears.

    Fael Illyar: Hi Cal :)
    Adams Rubble: (unless it is a truncated greeting)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Cal :)
    Caledonia Heron: hey there :)
    Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
    Avastu Maruti: I mean Hell my friend
    quen Oh: hello Caledonia
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar falls down laughing.
    Adams Rubble paused at the o button that time
    quen Oh: am hell is something we create ourselves..
    Adams Rubble: Cal, they are notong that I have had trouble geting the greeting right this morning
    quen Oh: lol
    Fael Illyar: Yes, Hell is a state of not seeing we create ourselves.

    And then she was gone... Maybe topic changing to Hell wasn't to her taste?

    Adams Rubble: Cal is gone
    quen Oh: why not seeing?
    Adams Rubble: Of course, Fael
    Adams Rubble: Quen, by not seeing we can create shadows for ourselves
    quen Oh: ???
    Adams Rubble: hmmm
    quen Oh: not sure by not seeing there is just something less drawing my attention?
    Avastu Maruti: I think, by seeing, they mean "knowing"
    Faenik: could be
    Fael Illyar: not seeing ... or false knowing.
    Adams Rubble: Sorry, phone call...done
    quen Oh: is still puzzled.. not knowing or seeing is a general human condition, we are not omniscient..
    Adams Rubble: Over the three months I have been in PaB, I have been learning the many ways I do not see, Quen
    Adams Rubble: In fact, this morning, Avastu and Fael reminded me I was forgetting to se clearly
    quen Oh: so we can be aware of our limitations in not knowing / seeing... but to be aware of 'what' you are not seeing and talk in shadows... I don't see
    Faenik: could be
    Adams Rubble: Yes, it can be confusing
    Avastu Maruti: seeing/knowing is a function of the "I" as long as that body-mind and "ego-image" is still the source of identification
    Adams Rubble: I expect Avastu will step in and help but let me try
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Avastu Maruti: yet we may become aware that this "I", this "image" also appears IN the seeing
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    quen Oh: you mean the division we make between ourselves and everything outside ourselves applied on ourself ;-)
    quen Oh: gosh love complicated sentences pff

    Somehow this session is really going at the base of things.

    Adams Rubble: :)
    Avastu Maruti: isn't this "division" created as a concept in the mind?
    Avastu Maruti: how do you know there is really an "inside"and an "outside"?
    quen Oh: so that we see a body - mind but that does not really correspond to what we perceive as being us...
    quen Oh: its just the way our mind seems to work
    Avastu Maruti: the thought "I AM" is a translation in the mind of that ever-present presence of seeing/knowing
    Avastu Maruti: simply recognize that this seeing/knowing never leaves, never changes, is never affected by the experience it reflects
    quen Oh: seems we continuously divide what we perceive as our self and what we meet
    Faenik loves wells!
    quen Oh: well not sure, concept of the I seems a sum total of the past, what is made by all the experiencing, conditioning
    Avastu Maruti smiles
    Avastu Maruti: pardon my friends... brb

    Avastu leaves for a moment.

    Adams Rubble: OK
    quen Oh: but that is obviously not the I, as that is death and something (the seeing) is constantly changing and renewing that
    quen Oh: ah too bad he is gone
    quen Oh: *death = dead I meant
    Adams Rubble: When Avstu smiles, it means you said something that is on mark :)

    Gilles appears but it takes a while for anyone to react.

    quen Oh: well like to make people smile ;-)
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Adams Rubble: I have been learning to see past all the games my "self" is playing through some of the exercies that Pema has guven us
    Fael Illyar: Yes, smiling people are nice to look at :)
    Fael Illyar: all ofthem? really?

    I notice a dangerous looking assumption in Adams's line and try to point it out.

    Adams Rubble: It has not been a straight path
    quen Oh: what exercise
    quen Oh: ?
    Fael Illyar: Hi Gilles
    quen Oh: hello Gilles
    Gilles Kuhn: hello all
    Adams Rubble: One is the YsBS (You see, being see) where we first try to look at what we see anf then imagine what Being sees
    Adams Rubble: There are variations (Enlightened you see or God see) depending on what works for an individual

    Avastu returns.

    Fael Illyar: wb Avastu :)
    Adams Rubble: wb Avastu
    Avastu Maruti: Hell my friends
    Adams Rubble: But then Pema had me start to wtahc the images that are created when I see
    Fael Illyar: Hell Avastu :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello to you too :)
    Adams Rubble: Haha
    Adams Rubble: I tried not to type the o and I typed it :)
    Fael Illyar: do not try, do :)
    Gilles Kuhn: ao on
    Adams Rubble: Hello Gilles :)
    quen Oh: welcome back Avastu
    quen Oh: I mean hell Avastu ;-)
    Avastu Maruti: ty Quen
    Gilles Kuhn: re hello adams
    Adams Rubble: Gilles, have you been here before?
    quen Oh: you have talked with him before I was there
    Adams Rubble: Oh sorry :)
    quen Oh: if
    quen Oh: i am correct
    Gilles Kuhn: well as i rez from log on here it must implie that.....
    quen Oh: he was a yellow lion then

    The topic then changes to talking about animals.

    Adams Rubble: Ah, Gilles was the bear who turned into a lion
    Gilles Kuhn: gosh i h
    quen Oh: in fact he was a wolf
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: I am not good with animals :)
    Gilles Kuhn: gosh i have alway to teach zoology......
    Adams Rubble: :)
    quen Oh: lol
    Faenik loves wells!
    Adams Rubble thinks she will have to go back and correct the log
    quen Oh: mmm what was this btw? [7:50] Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Adams Rubble: O fael's shoulder...
    Adams Rubble: On
    Faenik snuggles more closely on Fael's shoulder.

    Faenik makes his presence more apparent.

    Fael Illyar: Hi Doug
    Adams Rubble: Hello Doug :)
    quen Oh: ah lol funny
    quen Oh: hello Faenik
    Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
    quen Oh: hello Doug
    Faenik: Hell Quen
    quen Oh: hihi
    quen Oh grins
    Gilles Kuhn: i gather the topic of today is hell ?

    There we go, title suggestion. Accepted.

    quen Oh: and how that is not seeing...
    Adams Rubble needs to learn to type
    Fael Illyar: It's almost Guardian meeting now though.
    quen Oh is in some kind of hell as she still doesn't really see how...
    Adams Rubble: Yes, some if us have to go now. You all are welcome to stay and chat :)
    Fael Illyar: See you later Quen, Gilles :)
    Avastu Maruti: gdbye my friend
    Fael Illyar waves goodbye.
    Gilles Kuhn: well i prefer the depiction of hell of bosh its paradisiac to see them....
    quen Oh: bye Fael and Faenik

    Gilles and quen stay behind while the rest of us leave for Guardian meeting.

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